Post: #1

My wife is beautiful, smart, old-fashioned american gal -- without a single feminist man-hating bone in her body. She's not a Morman or a Christian chick. Still a pain in the ass in many ways (she is female after all) but not in feminist ways.

So why isn't she a feminist? How did this happen?

Really simple. When she was 13 her family moved overseas to China. She attended high school and college overseas and moved back to the US after graduating.

As a result, she got NONE of the feminist indoctrination bullshit that all other american girls get in the US educational system. She didn't get any of the spoiling, the man-hating gender studies, or the sense of entitlement that is drilled into girls who live in the US.

The difference between her attitude, and that of the other women in our neighborhood, is so black and white. I watch the other bitchy feminist asshole career wives torture their husbands, then like clockwork, get a divorce and fuck over their kids (7 of these now since I've lived in this neighborhood for 13 years).

So, the point is, if any, is that women don't change into Feminist Assholes automatically. There is a conversion process being used to make them that way. It can be stopped or avoided.

Post: #2

im inclined to agree with you. its interesting because since living in mexico ive meet a several mexican women who spent their formative adolescent years in the US only to return to mexico in their early 20s. anyway they are noticeably different in personality and looks. they act more masculine, more of an attitude, more superficial(etc think typical american female traits) and generally do not dress feminine and are almost always fatter.

Post: #3

It would be interesting to see exactly when the major brainwashing occurs.

My ex, for example, lived the first ten years of her life in Ukraine before coming to America. She had many of the marks of a Western girl by the time I met her.

Post: #4

My current girl comes from a tight-nit traditional family structure. She didn't really attend school beyond high school (so no WOMAN STUDIEZ GRRL POWER bullshit) and was always close with her old-school grandmother who believed and instilled in her that men were breadwinners and women were supposed to serve their men.

She is a rare female amongst the other women I've dated.

Post: #5

(02-13-2013 01:44 PM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  My current girl comes from a tight-nit traditional family structure. She didn't really attend school beyond high school (so no WOMAN STUDIEZ GRRL POWER bullshit) and was always close with her old-school grandmother who believed and instilled in her that men were breadwinners and women were supposed to serve their men.

She is a rare female amongst the other women I've dated.

Well, the thing is, she'll want to get married. That's the natural inclination of traditional women.

You have to decide if you want to make that sacrifice. You may not find another like her. On the other hand, if you're not ready it's not worth the risk, and of course, as a man you will always have unlimited opportunities to find a wifey later, if you finally decide to climb that mountain.

I told both my nephews -- "As a decently handsome man with a career, you will have unlimited women who will want to be the wifey. You should wait a looonnnnggg time, and you should be VERY choosy about which candidate you accept, if any."

Post: #6

As a result, she got NONE of the feminist indoctrination bullshit that all other american girls get in the US educational system.

Ah, but that is only one source of the indoctrination. It's good she avoided that, but their are two other sources that are still actively subverting women all across this blighted land...

1) Mass media indoctrination - especially almost all Tell-A-Vision programming & Women's Magazines
2) Anyone she spends significant amounts of time with who is sufficiently indoctrinated - co-workers, neighbors, social cliques.

Now if you're a red pill husband, you are aware of all this bullshit, so you won't become a victim of your ignorance. You won't beta-ize in the face of her feminine wiles and temperament, and most importantly, you won't take any feminist bullshit she may bring home from those other two sources. By being red pill, you stop that shit before it snowballs into an avalanche.

Post: #7

(02-13-2013 11:49 AM)Wool Suit Wrote:  It would be interesting to see exactly when the major brainwashing occurs.

My ex, for example, lived the first ten years of her life in Ukraine before coming to America. She had many of the marks of a Western girl by the time I met her.

It starts in many ways.

The first comes from teachers who punish boys for the smallest of offenses in grade schools. This allows girls to act like tyrants and get away with it.

Next comes history courses, starting middle and high school, where retarded left-wing history lessons are taught to enforce racist and feminist beliefs.

But all of this is preparation for college, where full blown indoctrination occurs, and all the pseudo-intellectual left-wing arguments are drilled into liberal arts majors heads.

Post: #8

Good for you that your wife is not a feminist. I still recommend that you expatriate with her. Preferably to a country that does not speak English as a native language.

She may not be a feminist now, but because her environment is feminist, she will tend to follow the herd to an extent as per her woman biology. Sure, you may be red pill and that should be enough to circumvent the indoctrination. But to be on your A game, every day, for the rest of your days, is tough. An operationally not feasible (your mileage may very, I'm generalizing with that point).

I would say that now is the best time to expatriate while things are good.

Post: #9

This is another characteristic that can be traced to both nature and nurture. American Hispanics are a good example. Latinas in Latin America are probably the most feminine women in the West. Latinas in the US are as masculine as the typical misandristic white girl.

Rarely, you find American girls from big cities who are sweet and feminine. How does that happen in this culture? That's biology. Our culture opposes our biology, but we have instincts that can never be erased. That's why even feminists get wet for a dominant man. Some people have stronger instincts than others. My girl grew up in the most misandristic metro area in the country, but she is more feminine than 99% of the girls in America.

Post: #10

Today I caught my wife reading jezebel.com but couldn't think of an opener. Oh wait, yes I did:












   


Not a feminist bone in her body. All of them broke.

Post: #11

can we get more details on your relationship... not to pry but out of curiosity...

age range/gap
length of relationship
how long has she been in the US for

i can't be the only one that's curious.

Post: #12

I am datinga South Korea...SO FEMININE!!!!

I will NEVER go back to American girls.

Post: #13

(02-13-2013 02:19 PM)Samseau Wrote:  But all of this is preparation for college, where full blown indoctrination occurs, and all the pseudo-intellectual left-wing arguments are drilled into liberal arts majors heads.

I wouldn't say it's only the left wing BS. But the whole environment on college builds those shitty traits we hate. They suddenly get a shit load of attention they never had before from everyone and become attention whores. They're taught that flaking on somebody will lead to a party/better outcome. Being selfish and not sharing information/lying/cheating/using betas can lead to better test scores.

On top of that, the school cafeteria is all you can eat in most cases and they eat to relieve stress; especially since at my school all the food was shitty except the deserts. After 1 year, girls would gain like 10-15 pounds easy and never lose them even after college.

Post: #14

Great thread.

The biggest influences on a woman's life are family, school, friends, and media/TV. Red pill girls practically do not exist and when they do exist they are almost always lesbian. A woman is a product of her environment and she has very little control of it. That why if we want to find a woman not completely brainwashed by radical feminism our best option, as other have mentioned above, is to turn abroad to more traditional countries.

Post: #15

(02-14-2013 01:37 AM)mistermister Wrote:  can we get more details on your relationship... not to pry but out of curiosity...

age range/gap
length of relationship
how long has she been in the US for

i can't be the only one that's curious.

OK...

I was 32 when met her, she was 27. We dated 3 years and now married 17 years.

This was before "red pill" was even a concept, and that generation of women weren't quite a fucked up as the current generation, but they were still pretty bad. I had dated and fucked and chucked for years, had so many women who wanted to be the wifey but I was completely unimpressed by all of them. Then I began to tire of being a bachelor, decided that I wanted to take on the challenge of starting a family.

Then I met my wife and on our first formal date, I instantly saw that she was like a woman unlike any other I had met, again, it was like black and white the difference between her and all those other losers. Now I realize what was so amazing at that time -- she was a normal, healthy woman where all the other girls I had dated were twisted caricatures of femininity. You guys who go to other countries know that feeling...that shock when you see a real woman after living in a culture of non-real women.

I identified her as the potential mother of my children and instantly started gaming her on that basis. Of course we didn't call it "game" back then but that's what it was. My game changed slightly since my goal was to create a healthy wife, not just to get laid by a slut. It still kept me established as the man in charge (which like a healthy woman, she loved) but at the same time it was different from other game...much less disrespectful of her. I wanted to build up her self-esteem as a wife and mother to me and our future family, and help her defend our traditional relationship against the (inevitable and constant) attacks by the Feminist haters she might encounter, who would try to undermine her and me. If that makes any sense.

2 kids, both amazing. Again, so healthy and strong compared to the other sad pitiful kids in our neighborhood. Why? Simple...a traditional stay at home mom.

Really, there isn't anything wrong with today's women that could not be fixed by just turning back the clock to the 1950s. Women (especially American women, who were the genetic pinnacle of womanhood) at that time were awesome, beautiful women who could kick the asses of any of the puny neurotic narcissistic Feminist-ruined sluts of today.

Post: #16

(02-13-2013 02:23 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  Good for you that your wife is not a feminist. I still recommend that you expatriate with her. Preferably to a country that does not speak English as a native language.

She may not be a feminist now, but because her environment is feminist, she will tend to follow the herd to an extent as per her woman biology. Sure, you may be red pill and that should be enough to circumvent the indoctrination. But to be on your A game, every day, for the rest of your days, is tough. An operationally not feasible (your mileage may very, I'm generalizing with that point).

I would say that now is the best time to expatriate while things are good.

Actually I'm thinking about it. Not for the wife -- I'm worried about my daughter. I want to get her away from the brainwashing of Feminism before she is ruined.

Living in the US is like being around a super-insane religious society where everybody is always trying to convert your kids (while they are still young and impressionable). As a parent you can only shield them for so long. Then you just have to get out. Or risk losing them to that insanity.

Post: #17

(02-14-2013 02:02 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 02:23 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  Good for you that your wife is not a feminist. I still recommend that you expatriate with her. Preferably to a country that does not speak English as a native language.

She may not be a feminist now, but because her environment is feminist, she will tend to follow the herd to an extent as per her woman biology. Sure, you may be red pill and that should be enough to circumvent the indoctrination. But to be on your A game, every day, for the rest of your days, is tough. An operationally not feasible (your mileage may very, I'm generalizing with that point).

I would say that now is the best time to expatriate while things are good.

Actually I'm thinking about it. Not for the wife -- I'm worried about my daughter. I want to get her away from the brainwashing of Feminism before she is ruined.

Living in the US is like being around a super-insane religious society where everybody is always trying to convert your kids (while they are still young and impressionable). As a parent you can only shield them for so long. Then you just have to get out. Or risk losing them to that insanity.

It's a concern of mine since I have two daughters and a son.

I'll share too, since I hang around here and am married:

My wife has American parents, but grew up all over the place, Micronesia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Fiji, and was in Hawaii in college when I met her. I won't lie, no, she's probably not as feminine as FSU or Latina/Brazilian women. However, she genuinely likes men, which is something I can't say for all canadian women.

On the subject of how to raise daughters to not be total screechtards, I think as a parent you can still have a good degree of influence:

1.) NO cable/satellite TV. My wife and I buy dvds of movies/shows we approve of.

2.) If you have a good relationship with your daughter, she will respect your advice on men much more.

3.) Have a _functional_ & Happy red pill relationship with your spouse. Kids often repeat what their parents did. Do better than your own did is another point.