Post: #26

Listen boys, I work in this field. There is a tremendous difference in teeth between Mexican and Mexican Americans. Russians and Russian Americans. The teeth of people who grow up in America are 5x better and less problematic than other countries.

Read the fluoride report...France, Luxembourg. A buddy of mine spoke french. Got paired up w/lots of french patients. Horrible horrible teeth, lots of cavities. Like I said, just because something works for an individual does not correlate to a society.

I suspect it is better nutrition and fluoridated water.

You know who has the most cavities. Oversheltered kids who drink only bottled water. They get a crapload of childhood caries (bad diet as well). I set the parents straight and boom, tap water until they are 15 or 16. Slowing of cavities, or complete reduction.

Post: #27

DVY I did not claim calcium fluoride is being used. But that is what a lot of people think it is. Which to my knowledge is not poisonous to humans.

On the other hand sodium fluoride is. Numerous studies link it to bone cancer, reducing IQ and dental florosis. It is not fear mongering. Also again along with the sodium fluoride they dump in the water, it also comes with upwards of 250 other toxic chemicals. WHich by the way comes from China.

Also I promise you we have 100% fluoride free water. Most of Europe and asia stopped using fluoride in the 70's. Why aren't their teeth falling out ?

Yes this shit is toxic industrial waste. Have you ever swallowed just a capful of sodium fluoride ? I dare you to, see what happens. As for other products being by products, you list something like whey ? That comes from MILK. From a living organism known as a cow. Not the by product of fertilizer. Which is the by product of numerous chemicals. The same chemicals that kills off livestock and surrounding vegetation before they added in the scrubbers during the 70 and 80's

Post: #28

(01-22-2013 08:35 AM)storm Wrote:  Have you been using this? For how long?

About two years, it really helped my periodontal health rebound. My gums weren't in the greatest condition beforehand.

(01-22-2013 02:22 PM)Insignia Wrote:  This is bad for your teeth, hard brushing will damage your teeth and wear down enamel and like I replied above baking soda is not abrasive enough to cause any damage to teeth whatsoever and it is water soluble so it breaks down in water naturally, companies just say that you will have to spend numerous dollars on a silly gadget you have above, that thing probably cost $100+ and will not get you nearly the result.

"Hard brushing"...? How do you figure you're brushing any harder using this thing (I actually brush a lot lighter than when I used to use a normal brush, and with better results) than you are when you're wailing away on your teeth with baking soda and mica?
It costs $30-$40 depending on where you buy it, BTW.

Post: #29

DVY do you still use mercury for fillings on your poor patients ?

Post: #30

(01-22-2013 03:43 PM)DVY Wrote:  Listen boys, I work in this field. There is a tremendous difference in teeth between Mexican and Mexican Americans. Russians and Russian Americans. The teeth of people who grow up in America are 5x better and less problematic than other countries.

Read the fluoride report...France, Luxembourg. A buddy of mine spoke french. Got paired up w/lots of french patients. Horrible horrible teeth, lots of cavities. Like I said, just because something works for an individual does not correlate to a society.

I suspect it is better nutrition and fluoridated water.

You know who has the most cavities. Oversheltered kids who drink only bottled water. They get a crapload of childhood caries (bad diet as well). I set the parents straight and boom, tap water until they are 15 or 16. Slowing of cavities, or complete reduction.

What about Africans? And British? How the teeth compare to Americans?

Post: #31

Is it safe to rinse with hydrogen peroxide every day?

Post: #32

(01-22-2013 09:23 PM)houston Wrote:  Is it safe to rinse with hydrogen peroxide every day?

No, Hydrogen Peroxide is extremely hazardness, I did not know why people have recommended it on this thread. In fact, that substance has been banned in several countries, yes it whitens teeth but it can also kill you, if ingested long enough it can have severe dire consquences. I hope you take this warning because I do not want that to happen to anyone.

Read---> http://zeroperoxideteethwhitening.org/hy...whitening/

Post: #33

A lot of us Hydrogen Peroxide as mouthwash...
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Post: #34

There are people who inhale hydrogen peroxide everyday as a remedy for just about everything. It oxygenates the blood and causes most diseases to die off. Maybe some of you are thinking of food grade hydrogen peroxide, which would certainly cause damage ? But 3% is fine.

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydr...ation.html

The one guy has been ingesting hydrogen peroxide for over 12 years in this article. It cured him of cancer. So if he is ingesting it I am sure it is safe for everyone to rinse their mouth with it.

Post: #35

I tried hydrogen peroxide before but it made me feel weird so I stopped..it was the 6 percent food grade, I bought it at Big Carrot..

Post: #36

I used Hydrogen Peroxide for a few months strait and it weakened my teeth considerably. I did not dilute it though so I would recommend only using a really weak diluted solution of it.

My view on Flouride is there is not need to ingest it. Topical it is beneficial but the arguments that its needed in water is complete bullshit. Many parts of Canada especially in the rural Western parts have not converted to Fluoridated water and still have the same if not better levels of dental health as the rest of Canada. I think the issues with teeth in today's youth stem from the inability to access quality dental care. When I was a kid evreybody got a free checkup by the school dentist once a year. This was the only way I could see a dentist as my parents not afford to take me to one and for the longest time I had great teeth because the dentist would keep my on the right track. When the school board cut funding to eat it was like almost overnight kids started having fucked up teeth. We also would used to do fitness tests in gym class, and get a doctor to come in also once a year - all have been cut and now my Province is easily the fattest in Canada with a Obesity & "Overweight" rate of 65%.

My parents never have been to dentists in probably 30 years. They both have great teeth from diet and little cultural things such as chewing sticks which help remove plaque, and eating bone morrow.

Dental health is completely warped because it is over inflated but is a necessary tool in overall health. The quasi market of subsidy, insurance, and private practice has ballooned the costs of dentistry. Dental health should be a free access just like general health here in Canada. Improving access to dentists would IMO be better then bullshit half ass solutions such as municipal water. There are better solutions out there but simply out of cost and greed they are not looked at.

Post: #37

Improving my dental health has been something i've been thinking about lately as well.

I have become a bit paranoid about metal poisoning after doing some internet research.

Questions: I have a couple of those black (mercury?) fillings? Should i get them changed to white ones?

I want to get an electric toothbrush, but i read some years ago that there are some metals "leaking" into your mouth from the rotating metal part on which the "brush" part is placed. Anybody have some ideas/info on that? A web-search didn't teach me anything...

Post: #38

(01-23-2013 02:59 AM)houston Wrote:  A lot of us Hydrogen Peroxide as mouthwash...
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You can use Hydrogen Peroxide if you want but I personally think it shouldn't be used. Even if you use Hydroden Peroxide and spit it out completely, there will still be some left in your mouth and if you swallow it, that can cause damage.

(01-23-2013 01:09 PM)Moma Wrote:  I tried hydrogen peroxide before but it made me feel weird so I stopped..it was the 6 percent food grade, I bought it at Big Carrot..

This can definitely happen and it is a side affect, 3% should be maxed limit for usage if one were to use hydrogen peroxide(I still don't recommend it), but if you get dizzy at 6% what makes people think 3% will be a lot better?

(01-23-2013 01:27 PM)kosko Wrote:  I used Hydrogen Peroxide for a few months strait and it weakened my teeth considerably. I did not dilute it though so I would recommend only using a really weak diluted solution of it.

My view on Flouride is there is not need to ingest it. Topical it is beneficial but the arguments that its needed in water is complete bullshit. Many parts of Canada especially in the rural Western parts have not converted to Fluoridated water and still have the same if not better levels of dental health as the rest of Canada. I think the issues with teeth in today's youth stem from the inability to access quality dental care. When I was a kid evreybody got a free checkup by the school dentist once a year. This was the only way I could see a dentist as my parents not afford to take me to one and for the longest time I had great teeth because the dentist would keep my on the right track. When the school board cut funding to eat it was like almost overnight kids started having fucked up teeth. We also would used to do fitness tests in gym class, and get a doctor to come in also once a year - all have been cut and now my Province is easily the fattest in Canada with a Obesity & "Overweight" rate of 65%.

My parents never have been to dentists in probably 30 years. They both have great teeth from diet and little cultural things such as chewing sticks which help remove plaque, and eating bone morrow.

Dental health is completely warped because it is over inflated but is a necessary tool in overall health. The quasi market of subsidy, insurance, and private practice has ballooned the costs of dentistry. Dental health should be a free access just like general health here in Canada. Improving access to dentists would IMO be better then bullshit half ass solutions such as municipal water. There are better solutions out there but simply out of cost and greed they are not looked at.

Yes, I agree 100%.

Flouride is not only bad for your teeth but can also make you more docile and beta. It affect male fertility, causes numerous diseases. It also damages your brain and makes you less intellegent.

"Fluoride’s ability to damage the brain is one of the most active areas of fluoride research today. In the past three decades, over 100 studies have found that fluoride exposure can damage the brain. This research includes:

Over 40 animal studies showing that prolonged exposure to varying levels of fluoride can damage the brain, particularly when coupled with an iodine deficiency, or aluminum excess;
36 human studies linking moderately high fluoride exposures with reduced intelligence;
16 animal studies reporting that mice or rats ingesting fluoride have an impaired capacity to learn and remember;
12 studies (7 human, 5 animal) linking fluoride with neurobehavioral deficits (e.g., impaired visual-spatial organization);
3 human studies linking fluoride exposure with impaired fetal brain development.

Based on this accumulating body of research, several prestigious reviews — including a report authored by the U.S. National Research Council and a meta-analysis published by a team of Harvard scientists – have raised red flags about the potential for low levels of fluoride to harm brain development in some members of the population."

http://www.fluoridealert.org/issues/health/

I will update this thread in a bit telling people how to get rid of flouride in their water if they live in a part of the world that uses flouridated water like myself.

(01-23-2013 02:47 PM)Dvorak Wrote:  Improving my dental health has been something i've been thinking about lately as well.

I have become a bit paranoid about metal poisoning after doing some internet research.

Questions: I have a couple of those black (mercury?) fillings? Should i get them changed to white ones?

I want to get an electric toothbrush, but i read some years ago that there are some metals "leaking" into your mouth from the rotating metal part on which the "brush" part is placed. Anybody have some ideas/info on that? A web-search didn't teach me anything...

I suggest getting the mercury fillings out as soon as possible, and DO NOT get braces or other dental precedures done if you have mercury fillings. We all know that mercury is poisonious, having dental procedures done such as braces, cleaning etc, cause cause mercury to react to the different metals making it more volitile. I think you should get the mercury fillings out as soon as possible, it can affect intellect among other things.

Post: #39

@Kosko- diet has a big part. Sugary processed foods are terrible for your teeth. The most important time for fluoridation is in childhood when your teeth buds are developing. The fluoride ingested gets incorporated into bones/teeth. Yes past the age of 18, when all your teeth are fully erupted, there is no point of ingesting fluoride. Topical is sufficient.

@Insigna- half the trope you blabber is complete BS. WTF does braces have to do w/anything. Its not made of anything related to mercury.

@Don't change metal fillings to white. Metal fillings are still the gold-standard. Longest longevity, best compressive strenght, least marginal breakdown over the years. Man, this trend started after reader's digest published some stupid article. Then some celebrity jumped on it. then the media blew up. Then blah blah blah.

Today's silver fillings are completely different than prior fillings. They have 8% copper coupled w/a specific chemistry that ensures minimal free-mercury (Hg-0) release. Most of the mercury is held in a different stable isotope(Hg-2 or semi-stable Hg-1) coupled w/copper and silver. This is big contrast to silver fillings of the past, that you would titrate w/silver amalgamation and pure mercury.

Long story short, people are idiots. Big suprise there.

Most of the vaporal mercury is when the filling is placed. When it sets, the Hg-0 levels drop to near zero. Which means it is stable HG(mercury)-silver-copper-tin blend.

Drilling these fillings out actually releases the mercury vapor because of heat/high speed rotation of burr, etc etc.

Silver fillings are my preferred way of filling back teeth. Longer lasting, less problems, less need to replace, easier technique-wise. When a patient is drooling everywhere, giant tongue that slobbers all over the tooth, you place a white filling, its going to fail quickly (within 2 years). If the patients dissapear for an extended period of time, this can worsen to a root-canal or extraction. You tell me which is better- the minimal risk of mercury or a defective product that can lead to expensive and uncomfortable dental procedures.

For a progressive board that doesn't listen to the media, you SURE do listen to the SWPL media a LOT.

BTW, white fillings can have bad reactions too. A lot of people have allergic reactions to the adhesive prime and bond thats joins the dentin/enamel to the restoration. I would say the white fillings have less history, and while much better than the past, still have a lot of problems.

The adhesive are usually volatile-based (similar to acetone or the like). Acetone is toxic as well. Who reports this to the Main-stream media...nobody. Instead, people heard that Jeremy Piven got mercury poisoning, and boom lets get all my silver fillings out. (his case is an extreme one, eating sushi everyday or something for 10 years.)

Most of the mercury you get is from food (tuna is a huge culprit) and from pollution.

Post: #40

@DVY-What I said is that if you proceed with dental procedures when you have fillings that will cause mercury to react. In order to get braces you will need to do dental procedures to remove your fillings before even getting braces, this procedure can cause the mercury to react making it worst.

Like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CeqUgF3HRM

Also, stop reacting so much and stay centered it is not good to be so reactive when talking to anyone. You are a man not a women, I hope you are not this reactive when talking to a women, this protrays betaness.

Post: #41

What about HP DVY?

Post: #42

@Houston- All sorts of peroxides are used for bleaching. Hydrogen peroxide 3% would probably be OK, but in moderation at most 1 min of swishing 1-2/day.

The popular whitening agent is carbamide peroxide for live teeth. The ranges for professional whitening go from 10-35% CP. 35% having high rates of chemical burns/overbleaching/sensitivty.

CP is about half as strong as HP.

Heres the truth, unpopular as it may seem. The crowns of your teeth are fully formed by the time you reach age 15-16. The color of your teeth is mostly genetic. The enamel layer (white layer) is translucent/white and generally as people age, the color of the underlying dentin (yellowish) starts showing through. Your enamel layer never grows back. Its is fully formed and only gets stripped slowly by function and acidity.

Also food, smoking, coca-cola, curry, etc seem to cause some stains. These usually can be removed w/a thorough dental cleaning and using abrasive paste. We sometimes use pumice (aka sand-like substance) to remove stains. The danger w/any abrasive is that you over-do it and strip enamel.

In general, pearly white teeth don't exist except in children w/baby teeth. Baby teeth have a different composition that adult teeth, hence for their white white color. Strangely enough, the white-ness of teeth has as much to do w/the contrast to your skin. African-Americans actually don't have that much whiter teeth, but by contrast to their darker complexion it looks pearly white.

Furthermore, most pearly white teeth you see day to day are FAKE. Do you know what veneers are? Grinding about 1-2mm facially of your HEALTHY ENAMEL and gluing on a porcelain white finger-nail crown. They pop off all the time. Its a major hassle. Apples, forget about it. Candy, no. Caramel- no. Careful when you bite into a burger. Crispy bacon, no.

In conclusion, you are only born w/2 sets of teeth. Decidious (baby) and Permanent (adult). Skin grows back, your bones heal, your hair grows, your teeth well they stay the same or get worse.

Post: #43

(01-22-2013 05:33 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  If you want to have amazingly fresh breath and immaculately healthy teeth and gums, don't fuck around with abrasive stuff like baking soda or lemon juice, or folk remedies like this "oil pulling"... Buy yourself a water pick.





Uses a tiny jet of pressurized water and a set of a few different attachment ends to brush your teeth, blast shit out from between your gums (way more efficiently and thoroughly than flossing does), and scrape morning gunk off your tongue, which is one of the biggest contributors to bad breath. As an added bonus, regular usage will make your gums larger and healthier.

A water pik is a waste of money & time. I went thru 2 units over the course of 6 yrs. Still got a lot of plaque and had to undergo painful deep plaque/tartar cleaning twice. Knowing how to properly floss is what is important.

Post: #44

I don't get how you guys are swishing oil for 10 minutes....that seems like forever to me. I just made it two minutes with coconut oil and I was ready to quit after one....

Post: #45

I've been using baking soda toothpaste for about a month and my teeth are noticeably whiter.

Post: #46

So what's the verdict on baking soda as a tooth paste?

The dentist says no?

Post: #47

I've heard that this type of stuff is not only cheap, but very good:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miswak

Post: #48

(01-25-2013 07:36 AM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  I've been using baking soda toothpaste for about a month and my teeth are noticeably whiter.

Yea after the first few weeks you really start noticing the difference, I have been using baking soda for over a year and my enamel did no get "destroyed", so it definitely works.

(01-25-2013 07:40 AM)reino341 Wrote:  So what's the verdict on baking soda as a tooth paste?

The dentist says no?

I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda for over a year and it has no caused any problems. I couldn't edit my original post, but a lot of people including dentist have a misconception on baking soda, it does not damage enamel or teeth, it is a bit abrasive but it is water soluble which means it breaks down in water.

I went to the dentist a few weeks ago after using baking soda for over a year and he says my teeth were a lot whiter and my tooth enamel did not erode at all.