I've never been a fan of the Thai girl look. Never understand why they get so much hype. You at least have to get a nice face with a Asian broad if she can't offer you any curves, Thai girls don't always offer you that.

Hottest Thai girls I've met have always been mixed (Chinese/Thai, Veit/Thai, etc).

One of the hottest girls I botched a lay with was half German (or Dutch? I forget) and Thai. I fucked it up going for her slutty Jewish friend instead of taking it slow with her.

(09-10-2015 11:29 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 10:52 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  After spending a couple days in Bangkok.
I don't see why it can't be a brother friendly location.

Girls aren't gonna be crawling all over you.
But it didn't seem like there was any shortage of girls that wanted to meet up. With a proper place in a decent area, the women will be curious and wanna try the taboo.
For the most part they just see party not European it Australians or past their prime old white guys.


There also enough Slavic and western girls that will give play also. I didn't see one Thai guy with a white girl in 4 days. I assume that the white girls are thirsty here.

As long as you stay away from the hippy , trying to get their life together type, look like I haven't showered on this trip type of girl...you are alright
Money talks here more than a lot of places, but the possibility that you will get cheated out of a couple bucks is high. Even then.. Getting "ripped off" rarely amounts to more than 5 dollars.

The cost of life is so cheap and there is relatively little violence unless you really have no situational awareness.

The only problem is...
Unless you specifically like,small bodied petite Asian women.. You probably won't be interested here.

The girls don't have the most amazing faces.You're find have to look long and hard to find a girl with more than an A cup bra.
Don't even expect to find a girl with any bit of ass.

If you do go there. Expect people to automatically assume you are African. Which I don't know if it's good or bad. It didn't cause me any problems. It was more of a joke.
You are either African or Obama.

I really try to distance myself from that when I travel. When I was passing through immigration in Vietnam, I had some odd stares because they flipped open my passport and saw the name under 'Country of Origin'

This was before I realized that there were a group of Africans living in the city. Apparently, by some accounts, they've been making a lot of trouble and have built up a shaky reputation by the locals.

This same statement goes for Cambodia as well. The Nigerians here have pretty much ruined it for all blacks.

Well like I said. For a short trip.. I didn't feel like I read missing out on anything my being black.

There aren't many black people in that part of the world. You can't fault people hard if they don't see you often.

One thing I will say.. Is that I would like to travel more in that area.
I like the country side. It would be fun to take a dirt bike and travel the back country.

I'm looking at going to Vietnam next.

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I didn't grow up impoverished but I certainly had a lot of issues (severe depression, anxiety, poor eating habits and apathy), which is why I ask this question. I always get the impression that it's a lot of the black guys who otherwise have their shit together that seem to have the inferiority complex. A lot of the brainy black guys, if you will.

Speaking from experience, this comes from the fact that a lot of these guys have been caught between rocks and hard places socially and, particularly, romantically.

Growing up, they often have many issues with other blacks and, romantically, with black American women. They are frequently labelled (oreo this, Tom that, etc, etc) and otherwise insulted for being who they are. Their women clown them for being too soft or just not "down" enough. They're black (clearly), but they don't feel accepted as such by their own people.

Then they look at the other side of the spectrum and find out they're not really going to find full acceptance there either. They may feel they have much in common with whites and other non-blacks, but these people look at them and just see another black guy. They then judge accordingly.

Much has been written in this thread about how white women in the USA can be uniquely difficult to pursue for black men (particularly for relationships) given certain stigmas and stereotypes. These black men find that this still applies to them, even though they are (by the admission of their fellow blacks themselves) far from whatever the black "norm" is that these people are afraid to associate with. These guys get to university and find that, no matter how educated, "well-spoken", or "smart" they are, they still fight an uphill battle to get the same social/romantic results and integrate smoothly relative to their non-black friends.

In short, they find they have no place. Stigmas and stereotypes leave whites wary of them (too black for the whites), while their distance from many norms in the black community leaves them outsiders there as well (too white for the blacks). They don't easily find a place to call home, romantically or socially. They're in no-man's land. These circumstances can do a number on one's confidence and inner game, thus leading to the issues you describe.

On one hand, your failure to connect with black women and black culture in general can sap confidence. This is especially true when you see men who aren't necessarily better than you objectively (no better looking, no more well educated, no wealthier, etc) getting vastly superior results with said black women while exerting the same or less effort. This does a number on your inner game and self-esteem, and can have you wondering if anything you do will ever get you any decent results.

Meanwhile, you deal with the same issues on the other end of the spectrum: you approach non-black girls who put up walls to you and make you work far harder just to get a word in edgewise, while your non-black peers (who are no better than you from a game, economic, academic, or professional perspective) have those same women opening up to them easily despite their putting in equal or lesser effort. This will do another number on your confidence, especially if you were raised among these very same non-blacks for most of your life and couldn't be much more well integrated. Realizing that even serious self-improvement (better game, better style, etc) often doesn't improve your station much in your earlier years as a older teen/young adult can do a big number on your inner game and leave you wondering, again, if you'll ever get anything remotely resembling good results.

In your darkest moments, given the realities described above, you might just give in and start to accept the pessimistic notion that you simply aren't good enough to get better results and never will be because you're too much of a weird outlier (stereotypically nerdy, "brainy" black guys aren't the norm). You'll conclude that the other guys you see getting superior results are simply better than you (since they're more "normal") and always will be. You buy all of this because your romantic results match these conclusions and do nothing to dispute them, hence the inferiority complex kicking in.

Fighting this off is no small task. Over time, as you become more aware of the socio-economic and cultural realities associated with your environment and come to understand the wider world (and opportunities) that exist beyond your environment, optimism can creep back in. You start to realize that many of the issues you faced are less a function of you being shit than they are a function of your society having its own quirks and abnormalities independent of you.

A large dose of consistent, long-term self-improvement work helps as well, especially when applied as you become aware of the realities I just mentioned. The results of said self-improvement (ex: superior style, better game, more financial success, etc) are objectively valuable regardless of your appearance, and your possession of these objectively valuable things that cant be written off because of what you look like builds confidence that you're not so shit after all and will eventually get your fair share.

Your understanding of the environmental realities I mentioned above will allow you to reason that a lack of immediate appreciation for these objectively valuable improvements (ex: girls still reacting more negatively to you than your peers despite your improvement having given you better style, game, and aesthetics than said peers) may not be down to you, but to things out of your control. You gain a better understanding of the role your environment plays in your results. That allows you to decouple the reaction you get (which may be more negative than it should be because of what you look like) from your own conception of your worth, thus giving you a more accurate sense of your own value.

With this improved awareness of the realities I just mentioned, you also get better at actually countering the negative effects of your environment, helping to make better results more probable.

As you get older and gain more financial independence and life experience (ex: traveling) while making more improvements to the self, it gradually gets easier to see better results out on the horizon and right on your doorstep. As said results improve over time, confidence builds back up, you realize once and for all that you're not quite as shit as you thought you were in your darkest moments mentioned above, and you become less pessimistic about your future.

It takes years to get to this level. I wouldn't have made it without exposure to RVF and red-pill thought in general. For men without exposure to these things (which are crucial for providing the insight into the environmental realities I mentioned and guiding the self-improvement process), it can be a lot harder to kill an inferiority complex.

Quote:I can't necessarily speak for the experiences of our hood brothers, but I actually don't get the inferiority vibe from a lot of the guys in newark but those dudes have a slew of issues that go far beyond the scope of this thread. A lot of those guys seem a bit less concerned with girls of other races for whatever reason.

Because they didn't grow up surrounded by them.

When you are raised in an environment in which said non-black girls are pretty much all that's around, you care much more about what they think of you.
That's the curse of growing up in predominantly non-black environments as a black male in the USA. Your appearance will always lead to challenges with those women due to the stigmas and stereotypes associated with interracial relationships, but the fact that you grew up so accustomed to them means you will be more willing to cope with these challenges and will be more concerned about them.

If your hometown was 92% non-hispanic white during your formative years (the bulk of the remainder consisting of Asian Americans), and you were among the 2% black minority, all of your formative romantic experiences probably involved white girls. Your first crush as a little kid was probably white (maybe asian). The bulk of the crushes and dates you had throughout your adolescence were probably white (maybe asian). You were molded by this environment - by the time your emerge from it as an adult, you're almost certainly going to have a very strong interest in the women you grew up around and the physical traits they tend to possess. Again, that'll keep you pursuing them despite the challenges.

You might love black women too and try to pursue them aggressively as soon as you get to college and start finding them in numbers, but your isolation from them for almost the entirety of your youth will make success harder to find in your interactions with them. You won't really understand what they want, how to turn them on, and how keep them attracted, all of which takes time to learn.

Black men who have been raised in predominantly (or at least significantly) black/non-white environments are going to naturally care much less about what white women think because their early exposure to women wasn't dominated entirely by whites. Their environment just doesn't foster the same problems or concerns.

(09-12-2015 02:45 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  When you are raised in an environment in which said non-black girls are pretty much all that's around, you care much more about what they think of you.
That's the curse of growing up in predominantly non-black environments as a black male in the USA. Your appearance will always lead to challenges with those women due to the stigmas and stereotypes associated with interracial relationships, but the fact that you grew up so accustomed to them means you will be more willing to cope with these challenges and will be more concerned about them.

If your hometown was 92% non-hispanic white during your formative years (the bulk of the remainder consisting of Asian Americans), and you were among the 2% black minority, all of your formative romantic experiences probably involved white girls. Your first crush as a little kid was probably white (maybe asian). The bulk of the crushes and dates you had throughout your adolescence were probably white (maybe asian). You were molded by this environment - by the time your emerge from it as an adult, you're almost certainly going to have a very strong interest in the women you grew up around and the physical traits they tend to possess. Again, that'll keep you pursuing them despite the challenges.

You might love black women too and try to pursue them aggressively as soon as you get to college and start finding them in numbers, but your isolation from them for almost the entirety of your youth will make success harder to find in your interactions with them. You won't really understand what they want, how to turn them on, and how keep them attracted, all of which takes time to learn.

Black men who have been raised in predominantly (or at least significantly) black/non-white environments are going to naturally care much less about what white women think because their early exposure to women wasn't dominated entirely by whites. Their environment just doesn't foster the same problems or concerns.

Wow, what a post, hard to follow up on this but i'll try.

I think, as you have said, finding this forum and taking the Red Pill definetely helps, it has helped me and hence the focus is now more on self improvement than trying to get girls (which I think will happen in time as you improve yourself). I can't be like some gameless fat white dude who plays video games all day and still get results; I would be the 40 year old virgin. But its a blessing in a way because it pushes me to be a better person. Part of the reason I have taken up martial arts is due to a lot of the bullying I have experienced growing up from both blacks (not being black enough) and whites (being associated with low class blacks due to the color of my skin).

(09-12-2015 02:45 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  Growing up, they often have many issues with other blacks and, romantically, with black American women. They are frequently labelled (oreo this, Tom that, etc, etc) and otherwise insulted for being who they are. Their women clown them for being too soft or just not "down" enough. They're black (clearly), but they don't feel accepted as such by their own people.

Then they look at the other side of the spectrum and find out they're not really going to find full acceptance there either. They may feel they have much in common with whites and other non-blacks, but these people look at them and just see another black guy. They then judge accordingly.

My family is a perfect example of this dichotomy. On my father's side of the family, people are in and out of jail, high school dropouts, drug dealers, etc, but their dating lives are relatively healthy, (I don't mean relationships mind you) but nobody has a problem finding a boyfriend or girlfriend. My mother's side of the family is completely different, comprised of professionals such as doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc., very few people are in jail or have records, but everybody is chronically single. Only two of my mom's siblings are married (she is one of eight), and many of my cousins are not dating much either. Even our own President has had this issue. Obama didn't appear to have a robust dating life before he met Michelle, and some assumed he was gay. He has spoken before about how he had to change himself to fit in with Black America once he moved to Chicago, even moving to the South Side to become a community organizer rather than making six-figures on Wall Street with a Harvard Law degree under his belt.

Lastly, the 800lb elephant in the room is the black Female. Many black women want no part of educated black men. I rarely in real life see the situation like you had on the Cosby Show; a black professional male married to a black professional female. Many black professional females either a.) marry white professional males, b.) have kids out of wedlock with a lower class black male, or c.) stay single. "Brainy" black men lose out the most on the dating market. In some parts of the U.S they can find their niche in places with less backward racial attitudes such as the West, but many black men have to leave their families and friends behind just for some semblance of a dating life, whereas many white men can just step outside in their own backyard.

^ Between Excelsior and MDWanderer's examples, this is why I'm a huge advacate of non-ghetto black men leaving the United States as a long-term plan. The only part of America where an on-point black man can get a somewhat fair shake is West of the Mississippi River, and even then you have the MSM pushing the "poor/hood negro" narrative into overdrive while coating it under sincerity a la #BlackLivesMatter. If a black man has to jump through hurdles and be perfect in order to get the same result as a neckbeard basement dwelling white guy, imagine how much more competitive that same black man would be in a country that truly has more of a "free market" dating environment.

(09-12-2015 01:22 PM)SuS Wrote:  The only part of America where an on-point black man can get a somewhat fair shake is West of the Mississippi River, and even then you have the MSM pushing the "poor/hood negro" narrative into overdrive while coating it under sincerity a la #BlackLivesMatter.

Ironically the "poor/hood negro" narrative started out West in Los Angeles, with the rise of crack cocaine and the emergence of the music group N.W.A. The lead singer of Arrested Development (an early 90s conscious hip hop group) Speech talks about this :

Quote:NWA may be the most dangerous, but not because they fought against a racist and oppressive system… but because they were effective ambassadors of that very system! I like to call it white supremacy on wax! Who else could have done such a great job at spreading the age old message that blacks are morally sub-human? Many things white supremacists say about blacks is what NWA confirms in their most popular songs. And yes, in 2015 Twitter is going nuts praising the film and much of the hiphop world is bowing down to NWA as heroes in the genre. But I applaud a good number of blacks that “don’t believe the hype”!

Bio pics about rap artists are few and far between, but take notice to WHICH rap movies Hollywood green lights for major motion picture release? And have you ever thought about WHY these particular movies?

Biggie’s Notorious, Eminem’s 8 Mile, 50 Cent’s Get Rich or Die Trying and NWA’s Straight Outta Compton! Most of which come straight outta Jimmy Iovine’s & Dre’s storehouse of thuggery, and celebrate the “American Dream” thru gritty accounts of drug deals, crack addicted communities, strip clubs, friends that deceive each other and gun battles gone wrong. And then the inevitable transformation from rags to riches. As they live happily ever after (in their death though). Oh yeah, Biggie was about right, that if you’re black…you’re nobody til somebody kills you!

To quote Public Enemy… “Burn Hollywood Burn!” They’re pretty much about money and judging by this past weekends ticket sales… THEY’RE WINNING! Stay tuned for a Tupac, Ice T and whomever else da cap fits bio pic for us all to swoon over!

(09-12-2015 01:22 PM)SuS Wrote:  ^ Between Excelsior and MDWanderer's examples, this is why I'm a huge advacate of non-ghetto black men leaving the United States as a long-term plan. The only part of America where an on-point black man can get a somewhat fair shake is West of the Mississippi River, and even then you have the MSM pushing the "poor/hood negro" narrative into overdrive while coating it under sincerity a la #BlackLivesMatter. If a black man has to jump through hurdles and be perfect in order to get the same result as a neckbeard basement dwelling white guy, imagine how much more competitive that same black man would be in a country that truly has more of a "free market" dating environment.

Such a true statement. I am convinced outside of North America the same black man has a big advantage over the competition.

There is a lot of talk about what the problems are?

Are any of you doing anything to change the problem?

You can argue how bad it is and what people should do.
But who here is actively trying to make the difference?

(09-12-2015 11:06 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  There is a lot of talk about what the problems are?

Are any of you doing anything to change the problem?

You can argue how bad it is and what people should do.
But who here is actively trying to make the difference?

There is nothing that any of us can do about the negative externalities associated with the dating market in many parts of the USA. This is bigger than any of us. The uphill battle we face (read: "the problem") is the product of a set of cultural and social stigmas/stereotypes/biases (read: the sources of "the problem") attached to us that have been hundreds of years in the making and that formed the cultural, social, economic, and legal foundation of the society we live in. These realities aren't changing. They are as American as apple pie, and will forever be so. Neither you nor I will be successful in "changing" them.

There is no "making a difference", there is only making your difference for your future. That generally means adaptation (adjusting your game to yield more success in a difficult environment), migration (leaving the difficult environment behind), or some combination of the two. You can't control the destiny of this society nor can you save it from itself, but you can control your own future and find your own happiness. That is as much as anyone can hope for.

(09-13-2015 04:44 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  making your difference for your future.

This right here is exactly right. Before I moved to Europe I spent three miserable years in Fayetteville, NC (Fayettnam for you J.Cole listeners). Even though I had a career, cars, and even my first home at 23, it made no difference to most of the attractive women there. They couldn't see past the perceived stereotypes of a black man in the South so it was very difficult for me to date any women of caliber there.

Fast forward a few years later and I am studying in the Netherlands it is has been the greatest experience of my life. The way I see it, I am securing a better future, improving myself by gaining a good education which will lead to better prospects. Attracting beautiful, quality women is just an added bonus. I went from almost accepting I was an unattractive person (NC was some dark times from a game perspective) to regularly dating attractive European women. We can talk about all the advantages ad nauseum but as Sourcecode pointed out, we should talk about we needs to be done. Wanderer was right, it is highly improbable that we will change the perspective of The American people. So just improve your own situation. Of course there are places in North America that aren't too bad, i.e. Vancouver, Utah, Wisconsin, etc. But I would suggest moving overseas, the best decision I have ever made besides joining the military.

More experienced guys on the forum may have easier methods for moving overseas, but I will try to provide some advice:


*Education - I understand that it is just a piece of paper but it really does improve your prospects in most professional fields.

*Learn a European language. At the moment we already speak the most 'important' language in the world but so do countless others. I think it would be instrumental to pick up a relevant language. My suggestion? German. I may be biased since it is also part of my studies but I believe it to be the most important European language.

*You may have heard but tuition in German universities has been abolished. There are still some other small fees like registration but that means it is possible to get a good education without being completely in debt. The only catch is that most German universities only teach in German for undergrad programs. So your command of the language has to be quite sufficient.

*You may also know that Germany has the lowest birthrate in the world which has led to their large influx of migrant workers. If you have any qualifications in the STEM fields, it is worth looking into going over and looking for a job as they always need people to replenish the workforce.


Just something to think about. My advice would be to get your degree in German studies or something and come over to Germany and get that mostly free education. You can maybe find employment here afterwards but if you don't like it, there are 4 other German speaking countries you can check out or you could move somewhere else in Europe.

Anyone else have methods for other brothas to get over here?

(09-13-2015 04:44 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 11:06 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  There is a lot of talk about what the problems are?

Are any of you doing anything to change the problem?

You can argue how bad it is and what people should do.
But who here is actively trying to make the difference?

There is nothing that any of us can do about the negative externalities associated with the dating market in many parts of the USA. This is bigger than any of us. The uphill battle we face (read: "the problem") is the product of a set of cultural and social stigmas/stereotypes/biases (read: the sources of "the problem") attached to us that have been hundreds of years in the making and that formed the cultural, social, economic, and legal foundation of the society we live in. These realities aren't changing. They are as American as apple pie, and will forever be so. Neither you nor I will be successful in "changing" them.

There is no "making a difference", there is only making your difference for your future. That generally means adaptation (adjusting your game to yield more success in a difficult environment), migration (leaving the difficult environment behind), or some combination of the two. You can't control the destiny of this society nor can you save it from itself, but you can control your own future and find your own happiness. That is as much as anyone can hope for.

This is where I think you are and a lot of members are absolutely wrong. There's a lot that can be changed and done.
Instead of complaining about ghetto blacks vs nerdy blacks. Why is no one trying to bring the two together.

I went to a Good Ole' Boy South College that didn't have a lot of black students period. The few us us stuck together hard despite the jokes and prejudice.
I think the crab in a bucket mentality is partially a myth. I rarely felt like I was belittled for going to school or not talking "black"
Real hoods wanna see people make it out.
Every movie has that gangbanging brother that tells his little brother to stay out of trouble. That how I grew up.
Everyone helped each other out. No matter if it was from school work, to finances, life experience or even something as small as just constant encouragement to keep the drive going.
When I got back from Europe, I made sure to put all the dudes around me on the game and talk them into studying abroad.
As a result of that, I have brothers that are early 20s working on doctorates, working for the state department, doing business overseas ect. All these brothers are also trying their hardest to mentor others.
The guys I mentor, aren't much younger than me. Some of them are older.

A lot of blacks that become successful are slow and unwilling to help lift the other brothers up, instead we just complain and make the divide bigger.
Instead of being selfish and making you're difference and your future..why not spend that time mentors young brothers on subject.
You went to an Ivy League school and can talk about every problem. You and a lot of members clearly have a lot of good knowledge being waste on selfishness.
Instead of complaining that black boys act out because they don't have fathers.. why not become mentors and guide them?

I worked at camp for black kids with no fathers around and its amazing how much a kid will appreciate you talking to him like a man and explaining to him how to study.
I don't sit around saying " get off my lawn" I say "Come over here and let me show you how to make some money cutting this grass.


The only way other brothers are gonna "get out" and travel is if they have finances. I worked,studied, interned and got government grants to get me out of the country.
One thing I notice, is that the lack of finances/being poor isn't the disease that causes people not to travel.
The disease is the lack of knowledge on how to manage and save,manage and invest your money.
I noticed a some of the dudes I work around are much less privileged than me with much worse backgrounds. They are just around to collect a paycheck.
I counsel them to figure out what they wanna do. What are their future plans ect.
Earlier this year I decided to put together a lecture on finance.
Basic finance, nothing special, just centralized basic finance knowledge that I learned on my own and was never taught in any school I ever went to.
Hopefully by the end of the year, before the holidays kick off, I'll be able to have a little development class.
Otherwise, the bulk of young brothers just spend their money on liquor and pussy ( Ain't no problem with that..I do too. But I still save and invest)

Of course, I'm not trying to change the whole country. But If you recognize a problem in your own race. Why not try to raise up the people around you instead of leaving them behind.
I'm not trying to create a bigger divide in race, but as you see can see there are right wing/ white nationalist/conservative/ whatever you want to call them, out there.
They are becoming highly organized, networking and putting each other in to high places to make changes.. Some of them are pushing extremely hard, because they feel like someone is trying to "exterminate them" and their way of life.
Pages and pages of this thread are just talking about the problem, while other groups are making more headway than ever.
Why aren't we networking more and putting ourselves into places where we can pull others up.

^ You have the right idea and the right mindset.

I think talking about women gets a little old, I would love to hear more talk about finances and careers.

Sourcecode, I think I misunderstood you earlier. I thought when you said "deal with the problem", you meant the issue of how we're perceived in the USA. That I think we can't change.

Everything you wrote in your post, however, is on point and I'm in complete agreement. It fits in with the "adapt, migrate, or both" suggestion I mentioned earlier as the only solution, but is more oriented to group success. I echo Rudebwoy's conclusion that you have the right idea and mindset.

Keep in mind that, by participating in this thread, you're already furthering the purpose you outlined. There are a lot of guys like us out there who are young, online, and frustrated by the problems we're talking about. There are VERY few places online where the problems they specifically face are discussed in detail. Some of these guys will land here, read through this whole thread, and get a lot out of it. I speak from experience when I say that it can be really incredible to finally see a group of men touch on the issues you face (realizing you aren't alone) and actually discuss them in depth. It can permanently change your confidence, approach, and mindset for the better (as it did for me) - there are some young guys who've lurked this thread who take their finances more seriously and are making more significant travel plans than they ever have as a result of reading this thread and other pockets in the manosphere like it.

It's a start. Anyway, tl;dr, I agree that we should expand on this in a more group oriented approach. Your approach is a good one.

Along the vein of what’s been mentioned, I decided to forfeit my path to U.S citizenship to explore opportunities elsewhere, partially inspired by this thread.

I work in the film industry. For me, the U.S played a great role in building up the credentials, skillets and influence needed for me to be more competitive/valuable than 90% of the locals from any other country in the world. It took 4 years of university (top 1% of class) and 5 years working in the industry to acquire that level. University wasn’t necessary to achieve the skills per-se, but instead valuable contacts were made that subsequently propelled me to the forefront of the industry. This year, I decided that working in the U.S has ran it’s course, and I began looking for leads elsewhere. Now, every-time I travel, before I embark on the trip, one of the first things I do is log on to LinkedIn and connect with business contacts within my industry there. I tell them I’ll be on the ground soon, show them a sample of my work, they are impressed and we set up a meeting. Spent 2 months in Mexico and pipelined a bunch of meetings as opposed to women and now have a reputable company applying for a working visa for me, as well as a few other companies willing to sponsor me a working visa if I want to work in the country for a few months/years. After acquiring contacts from all over Latin America, New Zealand and Japan, I realize that it’s not that hard to get where you want to be. Now, when I travel I spend about 80% of my time selling my skills to reputable men, and even then, not-suprisingly, there is never a shortage of women. I’m never spending less than 6 weeks in a new country because I’m scoping out the market, doing job interviews, flexing with some girls in my off-time, seeing how they vibe with me, feeling out the overall vibes.

Now when I mentor the youths who want to get out of the Caribbean, I tell them first off go to a school in Cuba (cheap, top notch, gives them access to Latin America), or a school in Eastern Europe (very cheap, top notch, gives them a path to European work visas/Citizenship). They only need a passion to make it work, wether it be going to Belize to teach/play steel-pan, doing IT courses in Cuba etc. Once you’ve travelled a few times, it doesn’t take long to realize that it’s not even a question of game tactics or what the girls dem want. It’s how competitive are you in the world market. How is your ‘money making’ game?

(09-13-2015 12:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ You have the right idea and the right mindset.

I think talking about women gets a little old, I would love to hear more talk about finances and careers.

I agree with you to some degree. However, we must remember that to a young guy, the thought of pussy is on his mind almost 24/7. I know that when I was in uni, there was a day that my waking intent was to mash up the coursework I had to do. I was going to go library, get books and knock everything out the park. I had gathered my books on the specific floor and I was coming down the stairs when one black lizard passed by me in the library. Her backside was out of this world and I was fcuked up for the entire day, my thoughts totally hijacked by the need. I dropped my books and bag in the study area and began roaming the library like a lost hound, trying to sniff her out.

My point here is that, we must create a holistic approach to game. It must tie in the need to better oneself as an individual from a physical (working out), mental (inner game) and financial (oil sands, coding etc) standpoint.

FINANCE

As Excelsior mentioned before and as quoted in a Chris Rock film, you can lose a lot of money chasing lizards but you will never lose lizards chasing money. My take from this is, there is a cap to how high one can go with acquiring lizards based on financial limitation. In a nutshell, you can only pull a certain level (consistently) living in your mum's basement, working in Walmart and borrowing her car for rides etc. That cap is removed as you step up financially. The top echelon in the game of finance is when you become location independent and are unshackled from a brick and mortar location in drawing your bills. Time is money and it is very important to find the balance in trading your time for money. Some big wigs work in Wall Street making silly figures but work so many hours (maybe 60 a week) that they have no time for vacation based R&R. They are limited to the crap around them and based on location, that can lead to a paltry existence when it comes to reptiles. Yes, I know it has boiled back down to lizards but as heterosexual, red blooded men, we can NOT omit lizards from the equation so they must be tied in to all plans and discussions.

MENTAL

Some people don't realise that there is a problem and that they are in a sick location. As a result, they don't make active changes to do anything about it and settle for rubbish through their best years. With a recognition of when an environment is healthy, sick or becoming sick, one can position themselves to launch themselves from a bad situation. This forum actually helped me realise Toronto was overall crap. I met up with a forum member while in Toronto that was doing very well in finance (IMO) but was limited to that location. He was still playing offensive game which actually appalled and offended me. At that level of finance in many countries, one would be now working on their defensive game when it comes to lizards.

RULING OUT GROUP THINK PLACEBO

Once I realised through a community of different types of guys that Toronto was wack, I started to conduct small tests with independent groups to rule out group think placebo. Sometimes, a bunch of guys with no game might get together and just say that their location is the problem instead of them being the problem. I wanted to totally rule RVF out of that possibility. I spoke to a seasoned Jamaican friend of mine who gets a good amount of tuntun and also exhibited the game awareness traits and skills without ever having checked out a game forum. Probing further, I realised he was getting a yield of lizards disproportionate with his looks and level of game (he also expressed this). The same from another friend of mine who was of Guyanese descent. Both men had to employ a laissez faire attitude and just chalk down to the nature of Toronto.

To rule out race as a factor, I went to a BBQ with some Latin guys and white guys that I used to work with. One of the white guys I know well was about 22 and had good decent game. He approached a lot, worked social circle game and I would bump into him downtown as he sported a different white lizard. In the BBQ, I realised that most of the time, he was in transition not due to his own choice and the latin guys who were good looking by my consideration (no homo) were also struggling. The Latin guy looks ranged from the typical Latin look to the more European Manu Ginobili look. They too were discontented with their yield in the dating field.

This lead to support my already adamant intent to vacate that wack city. I was juggling possibilities of Saskatchewan, Winnipeg and the oil sands territories but my eye was really set on US of A.

To conclude, game should be holistic and the accessibility of attractive lizards at the intended location AND the ability to make good money should be equally important for the single men reading this thread. If your finance is solid and location independent then of course, the world is your oyster and then the accessibility of hot lizards can be your sole concern in your decision as where to land.

Glossary:

Tuntun = Access to the vaginal resources of an attractive lizard
Laissez-faire = A carefree, fcuk it, approach to things. A valid component of inner game.

Anybody got info on midwest places. I wanna know some venues to go on your recommendations.

Has anyone watched this interview?

I'm aware of Dr. Umar Johnson

But I've never actually seen any one on one interviews with him.

He explains a lot of his work in pretty good detail and talks about a lot of the myths and politics against me.

(09-13-2015 05:05 PM)Advent Persona Wrote:  Now when I mentor the youths who want to get out of the Caribbean, I tell them first off go to a school in Cuba (cheap, top notch, gives them access to Latin America), or a school in Eastern Europe (very cheap, top notch, gives them a path to European work visas/Citizenship). They only need a passion to make it work, wether it be going to Belize to teach/play steel-pan, doing IT courses in Cuba etc.

Nah, don't do that.

Tuition in Germany, even for foreigners, is zero. A degree from a German institution is respected worldwide. Cost of living, as a student, is fairly low. I'd much rather suggest Germany than Cuba or some country in Eastern Europe.

Also, a lot of people have this misconception about German college education that all the courses are in German. There are quite a few courses taught in English, including STEM. And yes, those English-based courses are free too.

See https://www.daad.de/deutschland/studiena...ograms/en/ for more info.

(09-15-2015 12:06 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  




Has anyone watched this interview?

I'm aware of Dr. Umar Johnson

But I've never actually seen any one on one interviews with him.

He explains a lot of his work in pretty good detail and talks about a lot of the myths and politics against me.

Umar lost me when he got caught up with the stripper.

Since there seems to be alot of RVF members that are apart of the Caribbean or African diasporas, I will also add that it is very important from a wealth building standpoint to invest in your countries of origin(if it's tenable). The most obvious choice is real estate where you can simply buy plots of land and sit on them while they appreciate or even build houses or other developments and then sell them later(although it's not always this simple). This is significantly cheaper in the aforementioned regions than it is here in States and probably Europe as well, in many cases. Obviously a lot of time and research has to go into making such ventures work, but it is certainly worth looking into. You should also be thinking how can leverage the skills that you gained in the West in some of those nascent economies. Here are several ideas that I have successfully done or known other expats or second generation folks to have done:

• Starting an import/export business of rare goods/artifacts
• Setting up a web design business for various African small and mid-sized businesses and running it remotely
• Buying farming equipment and renting it out
• Buying plots of land and put up apartment blocs,student dorms, houses, or stores. Some just let it appreciate and saw the value increase 5 or 10 fold in some cases after 10-15 years.
• Leveraging your network in your country of origin and becoming a sales liasion for a foreign company trying to make inroads into Africa or the Carribean. This is if they have a cool or interesting product.
• Starting a software development startup
  

I've known quite a few people, that left the US entirely since they were able to start successful enterprises in their country of origin or their parents country of origin(even if they were not born there) and ultimately settled there.

It should also be noted that some of these African and Caribbean countries will recognize dual citizenship, so you have a place to go if shit hits the fan in the US and Europe and from a business point of view you would be able to operate seamlessly since things like opening bank accounts and owning land can be tricky if you're not a citizen.

I will say that getting into a German university is going to be extremely hard.
German school system is set up in tiers and not even all Germans are allowed to go to universities.

Then..German universities are already extremely crowded.
Most of them also focus purely on lectures. There isn't much interactive learning in German university.
That might be a plus for some people though.

Hello gentleman, I have lurked the forum for over a year now joined because of this thread. Nice to see a place where Black men can socialize and talk game.

As Black men, I believe that it is imperative that we get our economic game going. As Joga mentioned, being your own man and buying real estate is the key to our betterment and economic empowerment. This not only goes for Black men in Africa, but it is also much needed here in America, especially those Black men who come from impoverished neighborhoods. I'm from St. Louis and real estate houses are cheap right now.

What I have done personally, is instead of buying what I call "nigga" trinkets like rims, Jordan's, etc... I saved up my little money I have and bought a two story house. Obama's Economic stimulus in 2009 allowed for first time home buyers to get 8,000 for a down payment. I charged rent for one story and the house payment paid itself. I plan on buying 2 other cheap houses and charging rent for those as well. You'll be surprised how much your money accumulates over time.


On another note, I'm very interested in traveling to Mexico, especially in northern Mexico. Also the Caribbean like in Puerto Rico and Cuba. I love Latin women. Any intel on that?

Real estate is a solid idea. But I'd highly recommended doing this in the West. I can't speak for the Caribbean but property rights in Nigeria and some other parts of West Africa are sketchy. In Nigeria if you're not always there to tend your property someone can sell it on your behalf or pay off the local registration office and get it swooped right under your nose. I know a guy who recently had his brand new modern house demolished in a suburb of Lagos because there was a land dispute with the local police chapter.

I'm not a big fan of property investment in West Africa unless you're talking millions, and thousands more to pay off local registry workers.

For us who don't have millions to kick with, getting a house in a relatively growing city, or an established mature neighborhood and renting it out in units (top floor, basement, etc) is a really good way to either make a profit, or at least come out even with more assets under your name. And once you pay a good chunk of the mortgage down you can start turning regular profits.

(09-15-2015 02:55 AM)Roosevelt Taylor Wrote:  Hello gentleman, I have lurked the forum for over a year now joined because of this thread. Nice to see a place where Black men can socialize and talk game.

As Black men, I believe that it is imperative that we get our economic game going. As Joga mentioned, being your own man and buying real estate is the key to our betterment and economic empowerment. This not only goes for Black men in Africa, but it is also much needed here in America, especially those Black men who come from impoverished neighborhoods. I'm from St. Louis and real estate houses are cheap right now.

What I have done personally, is instead of buying what I call "nigga" trinkets like rims, Jordan's, etc... I saved up my little money I have and bought a two story house. Obama's Economic stimulus in 2009 allowed for first time home buyers to get 8,000 for a down payment. I charged rent for one story and the house payment paid itself. I plan on buying 2 other cheap houses and charging rent for those as well. You'll be surprised how much your money accumulates over time.


On another note, I'm very interested in traveling to Mexico, especially in northern Mexico. Also the Caribbean like in Puerto Rico and Cuba. I love Latin women. Any intel on that?

Welcome bro, I spent some time out in PR and a lot more time in Mexico. PM me with any questions.

I also suggest for other members/lurkers to read up on options trading. I started doing this a while back and at one point made some big gains that help fuel my trips while traveling in school. Made a pretty penny investing in puts right before the china market scare.

-CD