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Pretty typical of a gun control discussion between gun control advocates and gun rights advocates.

Who argues like a feminist, emoting at will, facts be damned?

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(12-20-2012 12:37 AM)assman Wrote:  Pretty typical of a gun control discussion between gun control advocates and gun rights advocates.

Who argues like a feminist, emoting at will, facts be damned?

You know, the pro-gun side gets pretty emotional as well, just look at the Newton children massacre thread.

The only problem I have with Piers Morgan is that he is for a complete ban on owning guns (he is a Brit), so it kind of colors his thoughts on gun control. A complete gun ban is not possible in the USA.

Post: #3

Funny how the people most vocal about America's guns ain't even from here.

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Post: #4

Brits don't like talking about the fact there's a shitload of crime here and people fight all the fucking time. Also people just stick each of other with knives instead of guns.

I argue the lack of guns make people more willing to commit crimes since the likelihood of getting shot (even by the cops) is quite low.

Post: #5

I left the TV on while falling asleep last night and heard this while laying in bed. You can tells Morgan is getting desperate when he resorts to name calling.

Post: #6

After viewing that clip I am with assman. Piers Morgan must be a cleverly disguised lesbian.

The website for Larry Pratt's organisation, Gun Owners of America is http://gunowners.org/ I plan to make a donation after seeing this guy stand up to that childish limey.

Post: #7

Wow. I'm quite shocked at how insulting and unprofessional Piers Morgan was here.

I always thought he was a bit of a twat, but I at least respected him as a legitimate journalist.

My respect level for him just plunged after seeing him ambush this dude on his show. Props to the guest for keeping his cool.

Post: #8

This video popped up on my twitter time line.
I'm originally from the U.K. but i live in Canada now...

I'd like to take this time to draw attention to some media bias in their reporting.
EliteDaily
The title of the post on that page leads you to believe that Piers makes the gun lobbyist look like a fool but about 2 minutes in you see whats actually going on.

The left/liberal media twists a lot of shit around. As a former journalism student be careful to check where you're getting your info. As we all know the people giving us may have an ulterior motive or just be straight up pushing their own agenda.

Post: #9

Hey we NEED those guns EVERYWHERE. Here a fool wouldn't take his paintball loss right, and his friend had to teach him a lead lesson. Bet the dead guy is a leftie too!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/19/pol...over-past/

Post: #10

Ever notice how most anti-gun people have No. Fucking. Clue. what 'semiautomatic' means?

They'll say things like "Did you know the shooter used a semiautomatic gun?!? I didn't even know those were legal!"

A semiautomatic is just a gun that you don't have to reload after every shot, but only fires one bullet per trigger pull. Virtually every handgun is a 'semi-automatic.'

Didn't see the entire thing, but Pratt focuses too much on guns. If I were him, I would've responded to Morgan that we need to institutionalize people at risk, as well as increase minimum jail sentences for violent crimes.

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(12-20-2012 02:13 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Hey we NEED those guns EVERYWHERE. Here a fool wouldn't take his paintball loss right, and his friend had to teach him a lead lesson. Bet the dead guy is a leftie too!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/19/pol...over-past/

(12-16-2012 11:40 PM)basilransom Wrote:  I found a blog post from a girl making the same points you and I made: thedailyspork.com/2012/12/16/on-a-serious-note/

But otherwise, this dimension has been studiously ignored by the media. Of course, if the media acknowledged that the guns were stored improperly, that would detract from their argument for more gun control. Speaking from personal experience, almost anyone who is pro gun control and does not own a gun is a damn retard when it comes to discussing guns - they're so emotionally repulsed by them that they can't discuss them maturely; all they can muster is 'get rid of them!' This would be like a bitter cyclist seeing a senile old guy run people over, and then declaring that private car ownership should be abandoned.

They're only harming themselves - if they put some of their energy into making gun ownership more secure, instead of just opposing guns completely, they might be more effective in reducing disasters like these. Instead, when the gun opponents lose, they lose influence over how guns are used.

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I just watched the video and it's hilarious. Good for Larry Pratt for acting like a grown man and not letting his emotions take over. I'm gonna have to quote myself from another thread.

(12-16-2012 10:18 PM)houston Wrote:  This is how a lot of anti gun people are. It's a lot like liberals and those ugly feminists who claim to be so open minded. They're closed minded as hell, give off a nasty "holier than thou" attitude and start calling you all sorts of names when you don't agree with them. I'm sure they think I'm some sort of militia, Republican, backwards freak just for having a pistol and not putting all my faith in cops to rescue me if my life's in danger.

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Post: #13

(12-20-2012 02:13 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Hey we NEED those guns EVERYWHERE. Here a fool wouldn't take his paintball loss right, and his friend had to teach him a lead lesson. Bet the dead guy is a leftie too!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/19/pol...over-past/

Post: #14

Piers Morgan is a scumbag, and almost universally hated in the UK.

Post: #15

This is the gist of the anti gun movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27...hetoric%29

The logical fallacy part.

Post: #16

(12-20-2012 02:17 AM)basilransom Wrote:  Ever notice how most anti-gun people have No. Fucking. Clue. what 'semiautomatic' means?

LOL. I've been asked by people why his mother was allowed to buy a machine gun. Totally clueless.

I've been explaining to some non-gun owners how this 'high capacity' magazine issue is just another red herring. Swapping mags is trivially easy. The idea that some psychopath intent on a killing spree is going to give up his plans simply because he cannot get his hands on high cap mags is beyond preposterous. And he will be not be less effective because he will be doing mag changes in a gun-free zone, so he won't have to worry about anyone shooting back in the 2 seconds it takes to do a mag change.

Another issue that non-gun owners have a hard time understanding is that all semi-auto rifles are essentially doing the same thing in terms of using the combustion of one round to load the next round into the chamber, lock the bolt and cock the hammer. And since they are not trying to ban hunting rifles (yet), legislation cannot ban semi-auto rifles, so any legislation (like the expired federal 'Assault Weapons Ban') ends up banning certain features - essentially features that look scary to people who have no fucking clue about guns. Does anyone think that a homicidal maniac is going give up his plan because his ban compliant rifle is missing a bayonet lug???

In fact, I have heard nothing to suggest that Lanza's mother's rifle was not Connecticut ban compliant (CT has an AWB in place already - many of the most socialist errr gun control heavy states adopted measures similar to the federal AWB when it expired in 2004).

So we may pass some version of an AWB in 2013, and we may get a high capacity mag ban. And with respect to the potential for homicidal maniacs to target unarmed civilians, NOTHING will have changed. And gun control advocates will hail this as a victory.

Post: #17

Pierce Morgan is POS.

Post: #18

Piers Morgan got utterly annihilated here.

Also, I hate the fact that British people go over to America and act like we don't have any guns in this country, and thus the amount of guns in America must be the problem. In reality, it is perfectly legal to have shotguns, rifles etc. over here and we still have a low gun-crime rate, so the amount of guns can't be the only problem with America - it is a cultural issue.

Listening to Piers Morgan, you'd think that everyone in Britain was vehemently opposed to firearms and that there aren't any guns here. in reality, there are shooting clubs in most small towns and gun shops aren't uncommon sights, at least out in the country.

The thing is, farmers and game-shooters aren't typically mass-murderers, neither are regular blokes down the pub.

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(12-20-2012 07:29 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  Piers Morgan got utterly annihilated here.

Also, I hate the fact that British people go over to America and act like we don't have any guns in this country, and thus the amount of guns in America must be the problem. In reality, it is perfectly legal to have shotguns, rifles etc. over here and we still have a low gun-crime rate, so the amount of guns can't be the only problem with America - it is a cultural issue.

Listening to Piers Morgan, you'd think that everyone in Britain was vehemently opposed to firearms and that there aren't any guns here. in reality, there are shooting clubs in most small towns and gun shops aren't uncommon sights, at least out in the country.

The thing is, farmers and game-shooters aren't typically mass-murderers, neither are regular blokes down the pub.

Great point there. Pratt also makes a solid point in the video about the Korean merchants in Los Angeles who used AR-15 type assault weapons in order to protect their lives and businesses against the horrific gang violence in the city. It's about self defense!

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(12-20-2012 08:38 AM)Praetor Wrote:  Great point there. Pratt also makes a solid point in the video about the Korean merchants in Los Angeles who used AR-15 type assault weapons in order to protect their lives and businesses against the horrific gang violence in the city. It's about self defense!

Indeed. Bring a pistol when you're not expecting trouble. When you are expecting trouble, better bring a rifle. And bring your friends with rifles.

Those Korean merchants understood that. And they and their businesses survived, while softer targets in that area did not.

Post: #21

Lads Piers Morgan is no reputable journalist, only over in America he seems to be. In the UK he is reviled.

His newspaper posted fake pictures of British troops torturing Iraqis. He was also involved in the phone hacking by UK newspapers where 3 to 4 murdered young girls(plus their families) and numerous celebrities phones were hacked.

He argues like a bitch

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(12-20-2012 09:26 AM)bojangles Wrote:  Lads Piers Morgan is no reputable journalist, only over in America he seems to be. In the UK he is reviled.

His newspaper posted fake pictures of British troops torturing Iraqis. He was also involved in the phone hacking by UK newspapers where 3 to 4 murdered young girls(plus their families) and numerous celebrities phones were hacked.

He argues like a bitch

I didn't know he was part of the phone hacking back at the Sun but it makes him even more of a shit head.

And really does argue like a bitch.

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(12-20-2012 09:26 AM)bojangles Wrote:  Lads Piers Morgan is no reputable journalist, only over in America he seems to be. In the UK he is reviled.

His newspaper posted fake pictures of British troops torturing Iraqis. He was also involved in the phone hacking by UK newspapers where 3 to 4 murdered young girls(plus their families) and numerous celebrities phones were hacked.

He argues like a bitch

For some reason the ignorant masses in the U.S. think someone with a British accent is superior in intelligence. Just look at the British pitchmen here on the infomercials.

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(12-20-2012 09:56 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  For some reason the ignorant masses in the U.S. think someone with a British accent is superior in intelligence. Just look at the British pitchmen here on the infomercials.

Side note I use that BS angle when I'm hitting on US girls when I head back to the states. They eat that shit up. Everyone just thinks your more sophisticated in England. I had some girl believing everyone dressed like Harry Potter.

If you live here, you'll find all the BS around the British sophistication laughable.

Post: #25

(12-20-2012 09:56 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:26 AM)bojangles Wrote:  Lads Piers Morgan is no reputable journalist, only over in America he seems to be. In the UK he is reviled.

His newspaper posted fake pictures of British troops torturing Iraqis. He was also involved in the phone hacking by UK newspapers where 3 to 4 murdered young girls(plus their families) and numerous celebrities phones were hacked.

He argues like a bitch

For some reason the ignorant masses in the U.S. think someone with a British accent is superior in intelligence. Just look at the British pitchmen here on the infomercials.

This is very true, even Canadians are the same too (Varadero in Cuba was like heaven because of this), they think all Brits are superior in intelligence and that we all drink tea and scones for breakfast and speak the "Queen's English".

One of my regular ploys is to tease girls about them not being on a list of women who are allowed into the UK which I discuss with the Queen every Monday over tea and biscuits. Stupid bitches lap it up.