Post: #1

About 3 times a year, I'll meet a girl who shows immediate
and obvious interest in me. Maybe I dressed the way she likes
that day, I don't know, but it does happen.

How does one act in that case? It always confuses me since
usually I have to work at generating attraction.

The most recent case was Saturday night. I went to a friend's
birthday party at a bar in downtown DC. One of her friends immediately
lit up when I showed up. When I was introducing myself she instantly
chimed in and was looking at me for much longer periods than I
normally expect wide eyed. I wasn't sure what to do since we were standing in a mixed social circle of 8 people and she stood directly across form me. I decided to play it slow
and made a point of just introducing myself but not giving her
too much attention. I went up and talked to
her later but things had already cooled.

Are there tricks that I can use to accelerate things to isolation
if I get an chance like that?

Post: #2

(12-16-2012 11:55 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  How does one act in that case? It always confuses me since
usually I have to work at generating attraction.

Are there tricks that I can use to accelerate things to isolation
if I get an chance like that?

A chick is giving you the go ahead?
You go ahead.

- acknowledge her
- figure out her relationship to the group
- know your logistics, and know hers
- socially acceptable isolation - let's get some air, have a smoke, get some drinks, find a table...

You're skipping all the "building attraction" and "creating rapport" (incidentally, you're also skipping the screening aspect as well).

In this case you fumbled.

As for the recovery, you can isolate the chick in any normal fashion but you may have to re-attract her.

Remember, she threw her best "game" at you by being nice and agreeable.

You can ignore it, and she might. (pretend it didn't happen)
You can acknowledge it, and try to excuse it. (I totally dropped the ball)
You can acknowledge it, and try to blow it up. (I can't believe you're being such a hussy)

You can explore it, and reframe it. (are you trying to get me in trouble, you know my ex was here right?, the crazy one...she's gone now but when you were getting my attention...)

But you have to reengage sooner rather than later, ime

WIA

Post: #3

Roosh has repeatedly ben talking about fuckup - avoidance game. Search the main site for articles on it.

Post: #4

In that case it's "on" so you don't need to do much, you spend time with the girl, you give her A LOT of attention, you don't molest her in front of her friends and at the end of the night/party you simply end up in private place because you BOTH want it. The name of the game is "not fucking it up".

Post: #5

(12-16-2012 11:55 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  About 3 times a year, I'll meet a girl who shows immediate
and obvious interest in me. Maybe I dressed the way she likes
that day, I don't know, but it does happen.

How does one act in that case? It always confuses me since
usually I have to work at generating attraction.

The most recent case was Saturday night. I went to a friend's
birthday party at a bar in downtown DC. One of her friends immediately
lit up when I showed up. When I was introducing myself she instantly
chimed in and was looking at me for much longer periods than I
normally expect wide eyed. I wasn't sure what to do since we were standing in a mixed social circle of 8 people and she stood directly across form me. I decided to play it slow
and made a point of just introducing myself but not giving her
too much attention. I went up and talked to
her later but things had already cooled.

Are there tricks that I can use to accelerate things to isolation
if I get an chance like that?

I would probably crack a joke right away within the group, hopefully get a favorable response from everyone. Walk away, get a drink, come back and probably introduce myself and get her talking. But I still think you need to build some rapore or it could die off like I did.

Post: #6

(12-17-2012 04:00 AM)XXL Wrote:  In that case it's "on" so you don't need to do much, you spend time with the girl, you give her A LOT of attention, you don't molest her in front of her friends and at the end of the night/party you simply end up in private place because you BOTH want it. The name of the game is "not fucking it up".

Come to think of it. I can't remember a single
Bang where I didn't invest a lot of attention on a girl. They sure like playful attention

Post: #7

Very interested in this thread. I am also confused. Two examples where I acted in stark contrast both resulted in me not getting the bang:

1. HB 7 brunette. A chick I knew of (but she didn't know me) who I desperately wanted to bang. Couldn't believe my luck when I see her at a party where I have a lot of social proof. So I play it up and then eventually go over to their group and introduce myself and make 5-10 mins of chatter. She's showing lots of IOIs and I'm thinking "it couldn't be this easy" so I play it cool and I eject saying I gotta catch up with some buddies at the same party - she says "make sure you come back" and I say ok.

I go back later to the group and things are going well. I had hooked up with one of her friends before and the friend even drops in "we hooked up and it was goooooood" (we're all a bit tipsy at this point). A cockblock dude comes along and tries to get in on the action. I basically continue the conversation and then decide to eject again for a bit because the cockblock kinda ruined the mood.

Eventually, I find the chick and her friend later on that night. She had sobered up a bit I'm guessing because they were heading home and I couldn't even get the rapport from before and couldn't even number close. Gutted.

I figure I ignored her too much. But at the same time, I have a feeling that she was there that night with her friends to show to them that she could still pull (hence the IOIs) but wasn't seriously going to put out - she just showed waaaay too much interest for a 7.5 chick, especially since we had just met

(1 week later)
2. Blonde chick from work. HB 7. Run into her at a crowded bar while I was rolling with my group. Turns out it's her 30th and she's had a bit to drink, so is in the happy tipsy stage. I wish her Happy Birthday and immediately she drops heaps of IOI - lots of kino etc. I happen to be wearing a great cologne at the time and she comments on how good it smells and she's basically all over me. We chat for a bit and then I say I better join my buddies but say we should grab a drink later.

I sit at a table with my friends and grab a drink. She comes up to my table about 45 mins later and (I kid you not) she says something along the lines of "I'm ready, let's go". Again, I'm thinking "it couldn't be this easy" but I remember how I fucked up the week before with the above chick by being too standoffish, so I join her again.

I say "I need to buy you a drink for your Birthday" so I buy her a drink and while we are lining up for a drink, her friends come to say good bye and try a mini cockblock by saying something along the lines of "are you sure you want to do this?" she doesn't answer but sticks with me and her friends leave.

We finish our drinks and head outside. I ask where she lives (?mistake) and then when she tells me. Looking for plausible deniability I drop in that I know a great late night food place near her house - she doesn't answer but seems reluctant. We go to a private spot on the street and we make out. After I make out she suddenly drops in "we're not fucking" - I say "that's ok, I just wanna grab some food, let's go". She doesn't buy it and goes home.

Still can't figure out what happened - I've been told I'm quite a good kisser, so it wasn't that. I can only imagine that she too was looking to just show to her friends that she can still pull (especially since she had hit 30) and that I was never going to get the bang.


As an side, there was a time where a 5 and a 6 had shown immediate interest that lead to SNLs.

So my take home message is that if a chick is a 7 or above and shows immediate interest that is out of proportion given her looks, she is probably doing it to show off to her friends/convince herself that she can still pull/ego boost and it's likely she won't go all the way. Is that fair?

Post: #8

(12-17-2012 04:21 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

(12-17-2012 04:00 AM)XXL Wrote:  In that case it's "on" so you don't need to do much, you spend time with the girl, you give her A LOT of attention, you don't molest her in front of her friends and at the end of the night/party you simply end up in private place because you BOTH want it. The name of the game is "not fucking it up".

Come to think of it. I can't remember a single
Bang where I didn't invest a lot of attention on a girl. They sure like playful attention

Never done that social butterfly thing where you hop between groups/girls all night and pick the most DTF one at the end of the night? That's opposite of sticking to one responsive chick all night.

(12-17-2012 05:42 AM)bonkers Wrote:  I go back later to the group and things are going well. I had hooked up with one of her friends before and the friend even drops in "we hooked up and it was goooooood" (we're all a bit tipsy at this point). A cockblock dude comes along and tries to get in on the action. I basically continue the conversation and then decide to eject again for a bit because the cockblock kinda ruined the mood. Eventually, I find the chick and her friend later on that night. She had sobered up a bit I'm guessing because they were heading home and I couldn't even get the rapport from before and couldn't even number close. Gutted.

(12-17-2012 05:42 AM)bonkers Wrote:  We finish our drinks and head outside. I ask where she lives (?mistake) and then when she tells me. Looking for plausible deniability I drop in that I know a great late night food place near her house - she doesn't answer but seems reluctant. We go to a private spot on the street and we make out. After I make out she suddenly drops in "we're not fucking" - I say "that's ok, I just wanna grab some food, let's go". She doesn't buy it and goes home.

Red is where you messed up.

1st girl was receptive but needed some time with you to hook up but you left to see you buddy [wtf?]. You could have checked whether she's potentially DTF by escalating.

2nd girl was 100% DTF, she left with you, told you where she lived hoping you would take her there and you offered her to go eat [big wtf]. As a funny sidenote to cheer you up a bit one guy on he forum posted that he had a girl in bed and took her to some bar to show off how cool he is and he lost her there.

In general lack of leading. You have to LEAD the girl. If she's DTF she gives you signals it's on, that's her part of seduction. Your part is to read those signals and take responsibility for her and move it forward. That means punking other dudes, escalating, moving her around, dealing with/befriending her friends, pulling. Even if the girl is DTF you can't expect from her to do all these things by herself. Your will not be put on.

(12-17-2012 05:42 AM)bonkers Wrote:  So my take home message is that if a chick is a 7 or above and shows immediate interest that is out of proportion given her looks, she is probably doing it to show off to her friends/convince herself that she can still pull/ego boost and it's likely she won't go all the way

That's pure speculations and rationalizations out of thin air.

Post: #9

(12-17-2012 05:42 AM)bonkers Wrote:  Very interested in this thread. I am also confused. Two examples where I acted in stark contrast both resulted in me not getting the bang:

1. HB 7 brunette. A chick I knew of (but she didn't know me) who I desperately wanted to bang. Couldn't believe my luck when I see her at a party where I have a lot of social proof. So I play it up and then eventually go over to their group and introduce myself and make 5-10 mins of chatter. She's showing lots of IOIs and I'm thinking "it couldn't be this easy" so I play it cool and I eject saying I gotta catch up with some buddies at the same party - she says "make sure you come back" and I say ok.

That bolded sentence shows a couple potential issues with your mind state before you even started dealing with her.

Post: #10

(12-17-2012 08:47 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(12-17-2012 05:42 AM)bonkers Wrote:  I go back later to the group and things are going well. I had hooked up with one of her friends before and the friend even drops in "we hooked up and it was goooooood" (we're all a bit tipsy at this point). A cockblock dude comes along and tries to get in on the action. I basically continue the conversation and then decide to eject again for a bit because the cockblock kinda ruined the mood. Eventually, I find the chick and her friend later on that night. She had sobered up a bit I'm guessing because they were heading home and I couldn't even get the rapport from before and couldn't even number close. Gutted.

(12-17-2012 05:42 AM)bonkers Wrote:  We finish our drinks and head outside. I ask where she lives (?mistake) and then when she tells me. Looking for plausible deniability I drop in that I know a great late night food place near her house - she doesn't answer but seems reluctant. We go to a private spot on the street and we make out. After I make out she suddenly drops in "we're not fucking" - I say "that's ok, I just wanna grab some food, let's go". She doesn't buy it and goes home.

Red is where you messed up.

1st girl was receptive but needed some time with you to hook up but you left to see you buddy [wtf?]. You could have checked whether she's potentially DTF by escalating.

2nd girl was 100% DTF, she left with you, told you where she lived hoping you would take her there and you offered her to go eat [big wtf]. As a funny sidenote to cheer you up a bit one guy on he forum posted that he had a girl in bed and took her to some bar to show off how cool he is and he lost her there.

In general lack of leading. You have to LEAD the girl. If she's DTF she gives you signals it's on, that's her part of seduction. Your part is to read those signals and take responsibility for her and move it forward. That means punking other dudes, escalating, moving her around, dealing with/befriending her friends, pulling. Even if the girl is DTF you can't expect from her to do all these things by herself. Your will not be put on.

Thanks for the feedback man. THis happened about 2 years ago and I still kick myself for it these days, thinking "what could I have done differently?". Haven't been able to think of answers, but you have provided some guidance. Thank you.

Just with the first girl and escalation:
Is it ok to escalate (just kino escalation, but no makeout) when:
(i) her friends are there
(ii) a cockblock is there?

or is it better to lead her away from her friends/cockblock and then escalate and go for a makeout?

Post: #11

LOL...
I am well into the hundreds in bangs. But, i cannot tell you how many times I have dropped that ball. I linda clam up, when girls approach me so direct. This just happend last week. We wnt to a rave and a 8 followed me around and eventually approached me. My stupid ass made up the craziest back log story, and acted really weird. I would venture to say, I have a lower conversion rate when girls approach me. That how jacked up I get. Is start think there pro's and all types of dumb non-sense.

Post: #12

2/3.... golden ratio

Post: #13

Had one of these a month ago that lead to a SNL. When girls show that instant glimmer upon first site, I call those "freebies". I don't get them all that often but when I do, you have to have negative game to mess them up. Just don't say anything dumb or creepy and escalate.