Post: #1

I got this from Tom Leykis:

Adam Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, was a type of survivalist known as a "prepper," who was stockpiling food, water and guns because she believed that the the world was on the verge of violent, economic collapse. And, she trained her own autistic son to use weapons. She had no idea that HER OWN world was about to end because of her family's OWN collapse.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z2FGqGeu3G

Post: #2

Yes, she bears some responsibility. The first thing you do when you own a gun is figure out how to store it appropriately and securely in your home. Given the fact that she was a self-proclaimed gun nut, with a psychotic son, she should have used the maximum security solution, a gun safe, and ensure that access to its contents was unavailable to her son. Whatever she did use was an absolute failure. Even as a gun nut, you're going to have one gun for home defense - I don't see any reason not to lock up all the others. I also wonder if the father had ever tried to intervene and assured that the proper safety measures were taken, or if he just wrote his ex off as a crazy bitch to avoid.

Teaching a mentally unstable son how to shoot was probably a bad idea - but storing your guns improperly is ALWAYS a bad idea, and there is NO excuse for it. Of course, the media's reporting is extremely shitty - I've yet to see any discussion as to HOW Lanza got access to the guns and how they were stored.

Post: #3

There's a 99% chance this wouldn't have happened if his parents didn't divorce 3 years ago...

Post: #4

(12-16-2012 11:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Of course, the media's reporting is extremely shitty

With:

-Mistakenly identifying the older brother who lives over 2 hours away and was working at the time of killing as the murderer.

-Went from having the mother being a full time employee, to a sub, to a volunteer, to not even being even remotely affiliated with school where the massacre took place.

- Saying at first that he only used the two handguns and left to rifle in the car, to him using all 3.

- Running an extremely dated picture of the shooter.

I'd say extremely shitty reporting is an understatement in this case.

Post: #5

If you have a child with mental illness, you should think twice about owning guns unless you've got a very robust safe.

Post: #6

(12-16-2012 11:16 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  There's a 99% chance this wouldn't have happened if his parents didn't divorce 3 years ago...

He was also autistic. Does anyone here know what autistic kids are like? I work with these kids sometimes, and I get to study them.

Basically, autistic children are extremely logically oriented... but emotionally fucked up.

Thus they can be brilliant yet be unable to get along with anyone. That's why Adam Lanza was able to operate a gun effortlessly, because he most likely had figured out how to use them quite easily. They are very intelligent.

For most autistic kids, being in a social situation is hell on them. It makes them very uncomfortable. Imagine if you had to watch fat women take a shit, and now you know how autistic kids feel in school.

Years, and years, and years of this bullshit for them, every day, combined with the drugs they are being fed, and finally, divorced from any fatherly contact (whom I am sure he had a rocky relationship with) sent Adam Lanza over the edge.

One day, he simply could noy take it anymore, and took his hate on everything that gave him misery: his parents, and the school system.

Years of being trapped in schools makes autistic children extremely negative and bitter about life. They view each day as tortuous and want nothing more than to get the fuck out of there. The anexity is crushing and that is why they dope these kids with the most powerful mind-rape drugs available, such as "abilify" and "ritalin".

(Personal Anecdote: one of the children I worked with would drool out of the corner of his mouth while his eyes were glazed over after taking abilify.)

The best thing that could ever happen for autistic children would be for them to be removed from schools. They are naturally inclined to a loner type of lifestyle, or else they will be miserable. Make a boy miserable for his entire childhood and of course he'll go violent. I would. You would. Anyone would under that kind of torture.

Of course, when I suggest autistic children aren't suited for schooling of any kind, even on mild terms, to my superiors, they say "But how else will they get socialized," as they all assume "socialization" is an unqualified good regardless the outcome.


The reason violent individuals are produced in America is because of how dysfunction American child-rearing is. From top to bottom - the schools, the parents, the state - all of it.

Post: #7

(12-16-2012 11:22 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  If you have a child with mental illness, you should think twice about owning guns unless you've got a very robust safe.

I found a blog post from a girl making the same points you and I made: thedailyspork.com/2012/12/16/on-a-serious-note/

But otherwise, this dimension has been studiously ignored by the media. Of course, if the media acknowledged that the guns were stored improperly, that would detract from their argument for more gun control. Speaking from personal experience, almost anyone who is pro gun control and does not own a gun is a damn retard when it comes to discussing guns - they're so emotionally repulsed by them that they can't discuss them maturely; all they can muster is 'get rid of them!' This would be like a bitter cyclist seeing a senile old guy run people over, and then declaring that private car ownership should be abandoned.

They're only harming themselves - if they put some of their energy into making gun ownership more secure, instead of just opposing guns completely, they might be more effective in reducing disasters like these. Instead, when the gun opponents lose, they lose influence over how guns are used.

Post: #8

(12-16-2012 11:22 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  If you have a child with mental illness, you should think twice about owning guns unless you've got a very robust safe.

Well I don't think there was any reason for her to be owning an assault rifle that is for sure.

Post: #9

(12-16-2012 11:45 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:22 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  If you have a child with mental illness, you should think twice about owning guns unless you've got a very robust safe.

Well I don't think there was any reason for her to be owning an assault rifle that is for sure.

+1.

I can see you owning a handgun or two for home protection, but unless you're expecting an home invasion from a jihadist group I think an AR is overkill.

Post: #10

Moreso that a single woman with an adult son has very little ability to physically protect herself from him or prevent her weapons from falling into his hands.

Post: #11

(12-16-2012 11:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:16 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  There's a 99% chance this wouldn't have happened if his parents didn't divorce 3 years ago...

He was also autistic. Does anyone here know what autistic kids are like? I work with these kids sometimes, and I get to study them.

Basically, autistic children are extremely logically oriented... but emotionally fucked up.

Thus they can be brilliant yet be unable to get along with anyone. That's why Adam Lanza was able to operate a gun effortlessly, because he most likely had figured out how to use them quite easily. They are very intelligent.

For most autistic kids, being in a social situation is hell on them. It makes them very uncomfortable. Imagine if you had to watch fat women take a shit, and now you know how autistic kids feel in school.

Years, and years, and years of this bullshit for them, every day, combined with the drugs they are being fed, and finally, divorced from any fatherly contact (whom I am sure he had a rocky relationship with) sent Adam Lanza over the edge.

One day, he simply could noy take it anymore, and took his hate on everything that gave him misery: his parents, and the school system.

Years of being trapped in schools makes autistic children extremely negative and bitter about life. They view each day as tortuous and want nothing more than to get the fuck out of there. The anexity is crushing and that is why they dope these kids with the most powerful mind-rape drugs available, such as "abilify" and "ritalin".

(Personal Anecdote: one of the children I worked with would drool out of the corner of his mouth while his eyes were glazed over after taking abilify.)

The best thing that could ever happen for autistic children would be for them to be removed from schools. They are naturally inclined to a loner type of lifestyle, or else they will be miserable. Make a boy miserable for his entire childhood and of course he'll go violent. I would. You would. Anyone would under that kind of torture.

Of course, when I suggest autistic children aren't suited for schooling of any kind, even on mild terms, to my superiors, they say "But how else will they get socialized," as they all assume "socialization" is an unqualified good regardless the outcome.


The reason violent individuals are produced in America is because of how dysfunction American child-rearing is. From top to bottom - the schools, the parents, the state - all of it.

This is an interesting observation, but U.S. law under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act mandates that all children, including so-called special needs kids, be given a least restrictive environment which translated into English means that autistic boys like Lanza should preferably be educated in schools with normal kids.

What are your thoughts on this law? My sense is that U.S. legislation and court decisions regarding kids with disabilities and mental disorders is so distorted by egalitarian dogmas that it hurts both the children it's supposed to benefit along with the regular student body.

Post: #12

(12-16-2012 11:48 PM)NYJ Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:45 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:22 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  If you have a child with mental illness, you should think twice about owning guns unless you've got a very robust safe.

Well I don't think there was any reason for her to be owning an assault rifle that is for sure.

+1.

I can see you owning a handgun or two for home protection, but unless you're expecting an home invasion from a jihadist group I think an AR is overkill.

This is a minor example of what I'm talking about. Your thinking is ass backwards - there may be justified reasons for a civilian owning an AR; ARs may or may not contribute to the violent crime rate. Both of those points are in dispute, yet you're taking them for granted without having studied the matter.

What probably isn't in dispute, even among the most fervent gun supporters, is that Nancy Lanza failed to store her guns appropriately. However, this isn't a pleasant line of discussion for someone who hates guns. That would be like asking a traditional Catholic for ideas on how to make pre-marital sex safe - they're not going to make something they strenuously oppose safer and easier to manage.

Fourtothefloor, why would her sex matter given that a gun makes one's physical strength irrelevant? You could be a midget and take on Mike Tyson and win, if you were well armed and he wasn't.

Post: #13

In the main thread I've been one of the most vocal supporters of gun rights. But I'll also say that when it was first hinted that the kid was a sperg on Friday night, all I could think was "what was this bitch doing allowing a sperg to have access to guns?" The gun grabbers look at someone like me and think I want to drop an AR-15 into the hands of every sperg and nothing could be further from the truth. So I'd have to say the mother is most definitely at fault here. She sounded a little crazy herself with her doomsday bullshit, and the fact that she apparently didn't acknowledge her kid's instability and take the necessary precautions means the blame is hers and hers alone.

Post: #14

(12-16-2012 11:59 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  This is an interesting observation, but U.S. law under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act mandates that all children, including so-called special needs kids, be given a least restrictive environment which translated into English means that autistic boys like Lanza should preferably be educated in schools with normal kids.

What are your thoughts on this law? My sense is that U.S. legislation and court decisions regarding kids with disabilities and mental disorders is so distorted by egalitarian dogmas that it hurts both the children it's supposed to benefit along with the regular student body.

Agree 100%. Modern educational psychology today comes from two sources: Freud and Dewey.

Freud pushed so many bullshit ideas, the worst of which was that our subconscious was "repressing" our conscious minds from their true desires, which meant that "non-psychologists" know less than psychologists about their own nature.

Dewey believed that people could ONLY be educated in a group setting, of which was more important than the actually lessons being taught. The idea was that socialization was a good in itself, and brought about "group" or "community" feeling, and was the only way in which individuals could be educated to maximally contribute to society writ large.

Both of these thinkers have destroyed far too many lives... I put them in the annals of history alongside Marx and Nietzsche as causing untold misery.

Psychology today is a dogmatic religion with absolutely zero scientific basis for their beliefs, and anyone who questions the status quo is viciously silenced, Lysenko style.

The simplest explanation as to why America is decline is because our education system sucks.

Post: #15

(12-16-2012 11:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Yes, she bears some responsibility. The first thing you do when you own a gun is figure out how to store it appropriately and securely in your home. Given the fact that she was a self-proclaimed gun nut, with a psychotic son, she should have used the maximum security solution, a gun safe, and ensure that access to its contents was unavailable to her son. Whatever she did use was an absolute failure. Even as a gun nut, you're going to have one gun for home defense - I don't see any reason not to lock up all the others. I also wonder if the father had ever tried to intervene and assured that the proper safety measures were taken, or if he just wrote his ex off as a crazy bitch to avoid.

Teaching a mentally unstable son how to shoot was probably a bad idea - but storing your guns improperly is ALWAYS a bad idea, and there is NO excuse for it. Of course, the media's reporting is extremely shitty - I've yet to see any discussion as to HOW Lanza got access to the guns and how they were stored.

Good point. We see this in the reporting of any story where a woman is a victim. They stop short of asking why, because in asking why, you're blaming the victim. No one would ever say she deserved to die, but you have to also look at how her demise could possibly have been prevented. The expectation of facts and logical, probing analysis in media has long disappeared.

Post: #16

(12-17-2012 12:03 AM)basilransom Wrote:  Fourtothefloor, why would her sex matter given that a gun makes one's physical strength irrelevant? You could be a midget and take on Mike Tyson and win, if you were well armed and he wasn't.

Allow me to clarify. What you said would be true if the mother carried her weapon loaded on her body at all hours. I suspect that he likely took her by surprise. Its highly unlikely that she believed him capable of killing his own mother.

Post: #17

Boils down to SINGLE MOTHER raised son.

I agree with the poster above, people aren't taking care of their children or families. I saw a good comment on yahoo about western society no longer teaching consequences in school. The thing about religion is it still teaches children that there are consequences for every action and religion has by and large been removed from the school system. Now you have moral decay everywhere you look. Being an educator, I can attest to the nuttiness and overall militant feminism of women teachers, they can go on rampages. He needed a father figure in his life very badly. I also know an autistic child who's mother is a complete slut and asshole and the child is showing strange and destructive behaviors towards her sibling

Western society is sick and dying and we are just seeing the symptoms of its spiral into darkness.

Post: #18

I think it's hilarious to see women engaging in conspiracy theories*, end-of-world-ism and similar stuff. That's usually been a classic male pastime. I guess it says a lot about how masculinized some of them are becoming.

*Note: I disagree with most people about what is a conspiracy, but this isn't a topic about it.

Post: #19

(12-16-2012 11:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Years, and years, and years of this bullshit for them, every day, combined with the drugs they are being fed, and finally, divorced from any fatherly contact (whom I am sure he had a rocky relationship with) sent Adam Lanza over the edge.

I am really up on autism. My family and I have been dealing with the autism kid at my nephews school for quite a while now. We got lawyers involved for god sake.

The situation you described above is exactly what the Autism people say could NEVER happen. The way we are always told is that "the edge" these Autism kids get to is further repression and separation. They're gonna go deeper into their little world and NEVER do anything to lash out.

Our family all see the little autism kid as someone who will snap at any minute. We all got military training, and you can just see it in this little guys face.

This kid, in our case, is a hitter. When my little nephew finally hit him back, the bullying rule book got thrown at him. Now, because the Autism kid has a disability, the bullying rules don't apply to him. I hate to use this Adam Lanza situation to anyone's advantage but we are gonna talk to the lawyers tomorrow morning to figure out how to tell the school "I told you so" in a professional way.

Regarding the original post's question "is this the mother's fault" the answer is absolutely YES. The father's too, but not so much.

Have any of you hung around Autism PARENTS???? They are worse then the kids. You will never see a bigger group of loud mouth bitches that want to blame everything under the sun other than themselves for the fact that their kid is fucked up.

Google Jenny McCarthy and her crusade against Autism. These bitches call themselves "Warrior Moms" and really try hard to prove it. The thing is Jenny and the Warrior moms bullshit was proven completely wrong so now they've moved on to other shit.

After this you get the fathers, who if around at all are always the 100% biggest pussies you will ever see. It's clear that warrior mom wears the pants in the family.

For a long time Jenny and the Autism people said that mercury in vaccinations was the end-all answer to the Autism epidemic. It fucked with my fising industry a little too. That theory was shot down. Now they are on to arsenic in flooring, bath tub caulk, and a host of other shit.

These warrior moms will go so far to prove this shit like they did mercury it will drive you crazy. The one cause of Autism they all really doubt is the one thing that has a little science to back it up. This is the CONNECTION BETWEEN AUTISM AND MOTHERHOOD OBESITY!! These bitches just don't believe that one.

I did some official research one night and went to the meeting of Autism parents hosted by the State Of Hawaii Department of Education for elementary aged kids on Oahu. There were about 50 kids and at least one parent with each one there. Here are some interesting things I observed:

1) Most of the Autism kids are boys.

2) All of the Autism kids are white. I'm not being racial, but this is a state with only a 20 to 25 percent population of whitefolks, all of whom I love.

3) When I told my nephew, who was as freaked out as I was by all these weird kids running around, to sit still and listen to the people talking, about 4 "Warrior Moms" turned around and looked at me funny. You aren't supposed to necessarily give Autism kids direct commands.

4) Not only could I have bought and sold every single father there, which was about 15, I could have beat the tar out of every one of them too.

5) Autism people, both kids and parents, wear Crocs.

6) Autism kids all have obscure and pussy names like Dilbert, Timmy or Strider.

7) The average Warrior Mom could stand to lose about 30-100 pounds.

I have a theory about what causes Autism based on this research that I think is just as good as some of the other ones I've read, but would like to hear what some of you smart dudes think.

I'm also interested in hearing what more of you think about how Autism relates to this Adam Lanza school shooter, especially you Samseau since you deal with these fuckers.

Aloha!

Post: #20

(12-16-2012 11:48 PM)NYJ Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:45 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:22 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  If you have a child with mental illness, you should think twice about owning guns unless you've got a very robust safe.

Well I don't think there was any reason for her to be owning an assault rifle that is for sure.

+1.

I can see you owning a handgun or two for home protection, but unless you're expecting an home invasion from a jihadist group I think an AR is overkill.

@Kona- In reference to your comments: Just one of MANY reasons I refuse to have children in the U.S. The school system is fucked, and if I do, they'll be in private schools. A member of my family is a senior admin. in the public system, and she has nothing good to say about how shit works now.

Post: #21

(12-17-2012 12:13 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:59 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  This is an interesting observation, but U.S. law under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act mandates that all children, including so-called special needs kids, be given a least restrictive environment which translated into English means that autistic boys like Lanza should preferably be educated in schools with normal kids.

What are your thoughts on this law? My sense is that U.S. legislation and court decisions regarding kids with disabilities and mental disorders is so distorted by egalitarian dogmas that it hurts both the children it's supposed to benefit along with the regular student body.

Agree 100%. Modern educational psychology today comes from two sources: Freud and Dewey.

Freud pushed so many bullshit ideas, the worst of which was that our subconscious was "repressing" our conscious minds from their true desires, which meant that "non-psychologists" know less than psychologists about their own nature.

Dewey believed that people could ONLY be educated in a group setting, of which was more important than the actually lessons being taught. The idea was that socialization was a good in itself, and brought about "group" or "community" feeling, and was the only way in which individuals could be educated to maximally contribute to society writ large.

Both of these thinkers have destroyed far too many lives... I put them in the annals of history alongside Marx and Nietzsche as causing untold misery.

Psychology today is a dogmatic religion with absolutely zero scientific basis for their beliefs, and anyone who questions the status quo is viciously silenced, Lysenko style.

The simplest explanation as to why America is decline is because our education system sucks.

I agree with almost all of this -- Dewey especially has been a hugely damaging influence on the educational landscape.

I think though that you probably mean "pyschotherapy" rather than "pyschology." Experimental psychology, in contrast, can provide significant insight, using as it does the scientific method.

Post: #22

To put their "family" situation into a bit more context. The mother was receiving $290,000/year in alimony..... Just in case anyone though this was a hard knocks kid.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/17/...e-emerges/

Post: #23

The dad is likely a wussy. He wanted to give more than 290k alimony in one of the news reports I read as he was worried that it might not be enough. His lawyer obviously stopped him.

Post: #24

(12-16-2012 11:40 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 11:22 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  If you have a child with mental illness, you should think twice about owning guns unless you've got a very robust safe.

I found a blog post from a girl making the same points you and I made: thedailyspork.com/2012/12/16/on-a-serious-note/

But otherwise, this dimension has been studiously ignored by the media. Of course, if the media acknowledged that the guns were stored improperly, that would detract from their argument for more gun control. Speaking from personal experience, almost anyone who is pro gun control and does not own a gun is a damn retard when it comes to discussing guns - they're so emotionally repulsed by them that they can't discuss them maturely; all they can muster is 'get rid of them!' This would be like a bitter cyclist seeing a senile old guy run people over, and then declaring that private car ownership should be abandoned.

They're only harming themselves - if they put some of their energy into making gun ownership more secure, instead of just opposing guns completely, they might be more effective in reducing disasters like these. Instead, when the gun opponents lose, they lose influence over how guns are used.

Post: #25

(12-17-2012 03:57 AM)Kona Wrote:  I have a theory about what causes Autism based on this research that I think is just as good as some of the other ones I've read, but would like to hear what some of you smart dudes think.

I'm also interested in hearing what more of you think about how Autism relates to this Adam Lanza school shooter, especially you Samseau since you deal with these fuckers.

Aloha!

For maximum trolling effect I tell people that autism is the result of the mother catching the clap while she's pregnant.