Post: #51

(12-26-2012 01:00 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  Only problem I have had with him is when He did the 30 pounds of muscle in a month post. I met dude last month. He is not jacked like that. I questioned whether he worked out at all.
He is like a 5 foot 9 gymnast type. No girls are going to be coming up to him asking to feel his biceps, put it that way. Not hating, just observing. You don't NEED to be jacked. It is a good selling topic and he hyped up the title to lure the reader in.

So if he is faking posts like that what else is he faking?

More power to him though. If anything this should give you the incentive to just do it. Start something. Sell something. It could be anything.

Content is cool but getting it out there and having an audience is everything.

For example, Roosh could still get away with what he does without banging one girl ever. Even though we know he gets girls it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things. His content is cool and his audience is already there.

I started reading Tim's book. I like it so far. I will include it in my arsenal of reading material to get the most out of life.

Side note- He was pretty beta at the Victoria secret pre show. Kept using self deprecating humor in front of the models and was alone on his computer a lot of the time. Had a few short conversations with him. He was on the show to promote four hour chef and make a salad. I thought to myself, really? This guy is teaching people how to make a salad?

In fairness, he claims to have slimmed down since that post because he didn't like having to eat so many calories each day. But who knows the truth.

Post: #52

(12-26-2012 10:34 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 10:16 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 04:36 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Almost every member I've met here in the DR has discussed how to live location independent. None of us are there, but we're all ears. You have an audience.

What? Ali wants location independence after all the jokes about the internet warriors. heh

I don't agree with Westcoast that most can make 40k - 50k online. Not everyone has the entrepreneurial spirit which requires consistency and fortitude.

Ali, I can't see you working for yourself mate. Nothing would get done between the rums, chicas and gambling. You might be better off partnering with someone else and being the cash man. You had, what, 6 months off in the DR? What did you accomplish in that time besides women? It is very hard to stay motivated to work when you got a lot of time on your hands.

Do you mean 40K-50K in a year? Is that the number that most guys shoot for? If that's all that the internet warrior guys make on average then I think I'll just stick to what I do then.

As much as I'd love to be a location independent internet warrior, I can't see it happening anytime soon and I'm too much like Ali anyway, I'd be out boozing and whoring too much to get anything done.

It depends.

Some guys make that per month.

I am sure there are some that make that per day.

Post: #53

(12-26-2012 10:34 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 10:16 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 04:36 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Almost every member I've met here in the DR has discussed how to live location independent. None of us are there, but we're all ears. You have an audience.

What? Ali wants location independence after all the jokes about the internet warriors. heh

I don't agree with Westcoast that most can make 40k - 50k online. Not everyone has the entrepreneurial spirit which requires consistency and fortitude.

Ali, I can't see you working for yourself mate. Nothing would get done between the rums, chicas and gambling. You might be better off partnering with someone else and being the cash man. You had, what, 6 months off in the DR? What did you accomplish in that time besides women? It is very hard to stay motivated to work when you got a lot of time on your hands.

Do you mean 40K-50K in a year? Is that the number that most guys shoot for? If that's all that the internet warrior guys make on average then I think I'll just stick to what I do then.

As much as I'd love to be a location independent internet warrior, I can't see it happening anytime soon and I'm too much like Ali anyway, I'd be out boozing and whoring too much to get anything done.

@WWW- I spent weeks in the DR tracking down business ideas. It became a process of elimination. Plus I banged more women in 6 months than the average guy will in a lifetime. I'm not down on the internet warriors, just the Tim Ferris fan boys.

@Scotian- $40-50K per year isn't bad in the 3rd world, but it would be hard to plan for retirement. It's a trade off. It appeals to me a bit, but I see a lot of folks talking about independent living and most don't seem to be actually living it.

The only guys I know that ACTUALLY make respectable location independent are consultants that work remotely. And they did their time in the trenches before achieving that coveted spot.

Post: #54

(12-26-2012 10:34 AM)scotian Wrote:  Do you mean 40K-50K in a year? Is that the number that most guys shoot for? If that's all that the internet warrior guys make on average then I think I'll just stick to what I do then.

As much as I'd love to be a location independent internet warrior, I can't see it happening anytime soon and I'm too much like Ali anyway, I'd be out boozing and whoring too much to get anything done.

I was quoting WestCoast but I think most of the people trying the online game would be happy with 40 - 50k a year. That is around the average yearly wage in the US.

If we are talking average, I would say most people fail to make much of anything. They just don't put together a good enough plan or any plan at all.

They focus on gimmicks instead of hard work and then complain it doesn't work. It is pretty much normal behavior that you can see in anything that may be difficult to achieve. Look at all the guys saying game doesn't work after pulling a bunny out of their ass trying to impress some bar slut.

Post: #55

(12-26-2012 08:26 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  The only guys I know that ACTUALLY make respectable location independent are consultants that work remotely. And they did their time in the trenches before achieving that coveted spot.

When I was a consultant, I had to be on location. It sucked. I pretty much had to start over learning how to be independent online. I made money right away but I was used to talking to people. I would contact/call the people who had access to hundreds of potential customers.

Most of the internet warriors would hate to do something like that. I didn't mind, in fact, I enjoyed the deal making.

Biggest thing is learning to sell in print form. Once you understand how to sell you can write your own checks.

Post: #56

(12-26-2012 09:21 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Biggest thing is learning to sell in print form. Once you understand how to sell you can write your own checks.

I have a feeling this is true.

Can you point me and the others to any good resources on that topic?

Post: #57

I'll weigh in here.

I was one of those cubicle dwellers who happened upon Ferriss' book in 2009. I was very frustrated with my existence staring out of an office window and was about to get up and quit until I found that book.

I read the book cover-to-cover maybe three times. Then I set about implementing some of his work-efficiency techniques. My hours that I essentially worked dropped by 50%. That's when the book made me a true believer.

I still liked my employer and the job I did, I just didn't want to be bottled up in the office for the rest of my life. I was also working/dwelling in NYC, which I had grown to hate. The traffic, crowds, and money-seeking whores got to me after a while, and I had begun suffering from depression.

So, I followed the script for asking for a remote-working gig almost to the T, and after much back-and-forth with my boss was granted the right to live and work remotely. That was in July 2010, and I've been working remotely ever since. I moved to a smaller city close to my family and still did my same job. But now I could get away doing it for two hours versus pretending to work for eight hours in the office.

I still have to fly back to NYC once a month for a week, but I don't mind as I consider it a chance to party it up in the big city, meet up with old friends, and practice game. In April I met a girl through friends, 10 years my junior from the Baltics, whom I successfully gamed, and now we're in a serious relationship.

Ferriss is a marketing guru, no question. I've picked up his Kindle cookbook, which isn't great. But it costs $5, and I learned a bunch of new cooking skills in it. That's a fair investment. Same holds true for his Four-Hour Body book.

That man changed my life for the better. I was thinking about getting up and quitting just because I was miserable, but he showed me a way to keep working my job while removing the part that made me miserable, which was the office life. I am immeasurably happier since I decided to take a risk in 2010. I owe him a debt of gratitude, or at least a drink.

To those who say that Ferriss' ideas could jeopardize the careers of a lot of people: firstly, it's ultimately up to the people asking for the remote-working gig, so the blame is on them, not Ferriss. He's not holding a gun to their head. Secondly, the people who decide to follow Ferriss' advice are those like me who were thinking of pulling the plug anyways on this "career" that we're all building. Most people would never attempt to perhaps risk their career for something better because the water is not hot enough for them yet. It's really a pity.

I saw that the Emperor was wearing no clothes, and it has made me a better man. My employer is really trying to get me back in the office full-time and will likely offer an enormous pay increase plus promotion to management. I'm seriously considering it just because it would offer me a new challenge now that I've been working remotely for almost three years. But I'll accept the position on my terms. If they want to fire me, then I'm not worried about either: 1) finding a new job; or 2) building a business in a niche not exploited. Ferriss and Roosh have helped me see that.

Post: #58

(12-27-2012 05:27 AM)muc Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 09:21 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Biggest thing is learning to sell in print form. Once you understand how to sell you can write your own checks.

I have a feeling this is true.

Can you point me and the others to any good resources on that topic?

You can't get any better of a teacher...

http://www.thegaryhalbertletter.com/

I would write out each letter.

Video sales letters kick ass as well. I am not a copywriter. I still can sell stuff. I'm just not afraid of trying something new and learn from each experience. The biggest thing is not waiting to get something perfect, which never happens, and test it.

Post: #59

He is coming out with The 4 Hour Pickup early next year.

Post: #60

(12-28-2012 04:13 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  He is coming out with The 4 Hour Pickup early next year.

Ali,

You actually live a textbook Tim Ferris lifestyle. Working a few months and then traveling a few months to do what you wanna do is exactly what he preaches. You are doing exactly what he recommends. Living a life with more freedom and passion. Living on your own terms and not being a slave to a 9-5. Geo-arbitrage, defining your own success, working less, living more, etc.

I know you had to work hard to put yourself in that position. So did he.

It is possible to live that lifestyle. You are living proof!

Post: #61

^^^ That's right! I'm the original Tim Ferris. He's a hack and a bitch. You guys need to quit pulling your puds and listen to me.

Post: #62

I cannot recommend the book "So Good They Can't Ignore You" by Cal Newport enough. It contains a story of a guy that wanted to chase the footloose dream and quit his college in his second year and started blogging. The guy failed miserably. Same story for a 42 year old mom who took one yoga class and quit her job to teach yoga.

The message of the book: you have to GOOD before you can take control of your working life. Tim Ferriss became VERY good at what he does. Same for Roosh. Roosh had to put in years and years before he mastered writing / game and could take control of his working life. This is true for virtually anyone with this lifestyle.

Adopt the craftmanship mindset.

In a way the 4HWW is very dangerous advice; it basically tells you to produce something quick, like that dude Steve Pavlina does, without telling you that you actually need SKILL in some area to be able to produce something meaningful.

Post: #63

(01-02-2013 06:45 AM)GreenGranted Wrote:  I cannot recommend the book "So Good They Can't Ignore You" by Cal Newport enough. It contains a story of a guy that wanted to chase the footloose dream and quit his college in his second year and started blogging. The guy failed miserably. Same story for a 42 year old mom who took one yoga class and quit her job to teach yoga.

The message of the book: you have to GOOD before you can take control of your working life. Tim Ferriss became VERY good at what he does. Same for Roosh. Roosh had to put in years and years before he mastered writing / game and could take control of his working life. This is true for virtually anyone with this lifestyle.

Adopt the craftmanship mindset.

In a way the 4HWW is very dangerous advice; it basically tells you to produce something quick, like that dude Steve Pavlina does, without telling you that you actually need SKILL in some area to be able to produce something meaningful.

Very true, interesting.

I need to check out this book.

Post: #64

Is Ferriss' fame USA based? first time i'd heard of him was reading this forum

Post: #65

(01-02-2013 06:45 AM)GreenGranted Wrote:  I cannot recommend the book "So Good They Can't Ignore You" by Cal Newport enough. It contains a story of a guy that wanted to chase the footloose dream and quit his college in his second year and started blogging. The guy failed miserably. Same story for a 42 year old mom who took one yoga class and quit her job to teach yoga.

The message of the book: you have to GOOD before you can take control of your working life. Tim Ferriss became VERY good at what he does. Same for Roosh. Roosh had to put in years and years before he mastered writing / game and could take control of his working life. This is true for virtually anyone with this lifestyle.

Adopt the craftmanship mindset.

In a way the 4HWW is very dangerous advice; it basically tells you to produce something quick, like that dude Steve Pavlina does, without telling you that you actually need SKILL in some area to be able to produce something meaningful.

This is a bogus statement. Ferriss doesn't state that you should jump head first in to the business by quitting your job. Figure out what you understand best, see if you can sell, license or develop a product in your area of expertise, and then get the ball rolling. Nowhere does he say that you should quit your job while your business is still nascent.

Maybe the person is so sick of their job that they'll accept $20-30k p.a. from their "muse" (that's what he calls it) in order to become free.

Where does he say that you get a business going and then expect it to throw off cash flow for the rest of your life? Obviously you have to constantly market the product, refine it, go to trade shows, listen to client feedback, assess the ever-changing competition, etc.

YOU are the only one accountable for your actions. Thus, if you decide to take the plunge and get a business going (or ask for a remote-working gig, like I did), you cannot blame it on Ferriss if it didn't work out. He's offering you a blueprint, but you still have to build it. Additionally, you'd be an idiot to attempt to cut off your current paycheck before your new business gets off the ground.

As Roosh alluded to in his post from today, much of what you do is predestined. Thus, I really think that the people who buy this book and attempt to implement what Ferriss suggests are the people who have the best chance of succeeding.

Post: #66

A popular poster on here told me that Tim Ferris was full of shit. Then, last week he told me that he convinced his boss to let him work remotely. Now, he is considering moving to another city with better girls and nightlife. I said -- "dude, that's exactly what Tim Ferris is all about, location independence" .

I wonder if the guys criticizing Ferris have actually read the book.

He is all about location independence. Freedom -- that's what we all want!

Post: #67

(01-02-2013 06:45 AM)GreenGranted Wrote:  In a way the 4HWW is very dangerous advice; it basically tells you to produce something quick, like that dude Steve Pavlina does, without telling you that you actually need SKILL in some area to be able to produce something meaningful.

Have you people not read the book? It says nothing of the sort.

He tries a bunch of different ventures over and over for years before he hits upon the winning product, his dietary supplement. He comes up with the 4 hour work week after working 100+ hours a week for months on end marketing his product, interfacing with manufacturers, wholesalers, and different retailers. This is a major portion of the book actually. He talks about the problems of having to deal with customers all the time, and the time suck and stressor that it was. He also talks about problem of dealing with small time sellers who aren't really moving your product.

It's from there he simplifies a lot of the process, and systematizes a lot of the process. This was after he was making 40k a month, not before.

So after years of failed businesses, and seemingly a couple of years of monster work weeks, he mentions the stress, the failing of his relationship, and all sorts of other calamities until he starts to really analyze his business.

Essentially he goes down the path of the E-Myth, but instead of failing, instead of trying to go bigger, or create a brick and mortar empire, reducing his costs by owning distribution or manufacturing - he optimizes, delegates, and automates.

And it was at the end of all of that, that he could finally run his business on 4 hours a week. The day to day administration was basically eliminated or outsourced to people who wanted that job. He tells you that it took him YEARS to get down to 4 Hours.

There's a bit more analysis of his particular niche that has very 4 hour work friendly features, but 4 hours is the end point, not the beginning point.

I think people hate Ferriss more for his know-it-all smarmy frat boyish smug image than actually take the time to deal with and think about the things he says.

WIA

Post: #68

He was on the radio last night in SF. Hour long interview.

I think he is like Mixx..

He has had alot of success but he also fabricates some things. He said he was an all american wrestler in high school. I had never heard that before??? Supposedly, there is no record of him winning the national championship in kickboxing???

He seemed like a bullshit marketer in the interview.

Like Mixx, I think he is some fact, some fiction, but the overall message is definitely worth studying!