Post: #1

I firmly believe that the direct approach is only way to go ..

I usually do the following :

" Hey there, I just had to stop and tell you that you are absolutely stunning and I would kick myself all day if I didn't come say hello to you ! " She usually will smile, laugh, or be flattered .. and then I introduce myself and go from there.

What direct approach do you guys do ?

Post: #2

On the topic of openers, YaReally wrote a really good comment at CH.

Post: #3

Like my friend Bishop says...Chicago's west side playboy in the late 70s/early 80s...."Most women aren't accustomed to a man look them in the eyes and telling them how he feels"

Post: #4

Direct is not the only way to go.

It depends on what sort of style game you play overall as to whether you open direct or not.

If I went direct when I opened, it'd throw off the rest of the interaction - it also doesn't fit my goals. I don't know if I want to sleep with a girl when I open her, and so I'm not going to make her feel hugely attractive until she's demonstrated the qualities I'm looking for.

I only complement a girl when she's earned it, which means in the interim it is all indirect.

Post: #5

Well, I will say that direct is where I've had the most success .. they know what our intention is , so why not display it up front I say .

Post: #6

Maybe if I was richer, prettier, more muscled and at least half a foot taller. Otherwise, no thanks.

Post: #7

I have done indirect but does not seem to work as well .. I guess its about believing in what one has to offer , and I certainly do.

Direct lines .. what do you other guys use ?

Post: #8

How's that working for you?

Post: #9

(12-01-2012 07:16 AM)XXL Wrote:  How's that working for you?

Quite nicely thank you

Post: #10

(12-01-2012 05:20 AM)Baze_Backinthegame Wrote:  I firmly believe that the direct approach is only way to go ..

3% of the time it works 100% of the time

Post: #11

Direct works better with dumb girls. Smarter women like to be romanced. Being indirect is more playful and fun. Of course the better looking you are the more direct you can be and get away with it. If she's not attracted to you(at first) then being direct comes across as creepy.

So how does an average guy kick it to a 7 or above? Open indirectly. Build some rapport and attraction with some casual chit chat and playful banter. Turn it into an insta-date. Then be direct and say "Let's get together sometime". Hand her your iPhone with the keypad showing and smile. She'll know what to do.

Follow up a week later with an invite for drinks.
Game on

Post: #12

(12-01-2012 12:14 PM)Baze_Backinthegame Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 07:16 AM)XXL Wrote:  How's that working for you?

Quite nicely thank you

Good for you

(12-01-2012 03:05 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Direct works better with dumb girls. Smarter women like to be romanced. Being indirect is more playful and fun. Of course the better looking you are the more direct you can be and get away with it. If she's not attracted to you(at first) then being direct comes across as creepy.

Yeah kind of... I wouldn't say dumber. It's just there are bubbly kind of girls who respond to all that fast dominance physicality etc. However there are also sort of sophisticated girls who won't let you step up to them right off the bat like a horny prisoner. With that kind of a girl it's crucial to be able to carry on the interesting conversation for longer period of time, be charming and heat up the vibe gradually so that she can see you're normal fun charismatic guy that she can enjoy being with. These just need to see a bit more from you to get turned on.

Post: #13

I make the girl earn a compliment. And when I finally do compliment her, it's indirect. I learned the hard way that flattery will get you nowhere.

Post: #14

I've noticed that when you avoid the compliments on her beauty, and really all compliments in general initially, when you finally do compliment them it seems to mean more. Also, make it a detailed, but indirect compliment. If she mentions something about her hair say "Yeah, it looks like you've cut it a bit differently. I like the layers." Then when she thanks you for the compliment just smirk or ignore her all together as if it's no big thing. It works.

Post: #15

Heartiste has a great take on this issue today. I feel that he might be on to something significant:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/3...zle-women/

Quote:Eric is onto something. The DBL (Direct Body Language) + IVC (Indirect Verbal Communication) style is probably the riskiest strategy for the average man to pull off. It’s too easy to come across like a suave dude who can’t go the extra distance and just ask the girl out. I bet a lot of you good-looking guys who read this blog have this problem.

Any kind of situation which necessarily calls for a direct approach — say, walking across a park or large room in full view of your target so that she is under no illusion why you are moving in on her — would benefit from a direct style verbal opener. You can still go indirect in these circumstances, but you had better be a master at manipulating women’s expectations so that your value remains at a constant high level compared to them.

Men new to the stealthy art of seduction are best served learning pickup by employing the IBL (Indirect Body Language) + IVC (Indirect Verbal Communication) style. This is, in fact, what most pickup artists teach their acolytes. The typical woman prefers the indirect approach from the typical man, and the inexperienced man is not going to possess the degree of self-amused state control that is required to successfully pull off direct approaches. The newb will need gradual indicators of interest from women to build up his confidence levels to a point where he is comfortable risking more on direct openers and interactions of powerful sexual intention.

Then, too, the newb can get a better grasp of gauging a woman’s “buying temperature” by adjusting his body language from indirect to direct and back to indirect, as opposed to the more difficult route of direct to indirect back to direct. It’s easier to maintain plausible deniability with the former than with the latter.

Post: #16

i've gone direct about 3 times this year. All 3 times I went up to a girl and said "you are adorable, come here i want to talk to you..." They fucking look at me with googly eyes. Doggy bowl eyes i think they called it in the game.

One girl i did it to on halloween i grabbed her from behind and she looks me up and down and says, "wow.... i like this costume, your'e cute... want to go for a smoke?"

Halfway to the outside of the bar she stops and says, "hold on i may have a boyfriend here..." lol

Post: #17

(12-01-2012 05:20 AM)Baze_Backinthegame Wrote:  I firmly believe that the direct approach is only way to go ..

I usually do the following :

" Hey there, I just had to stop and tell you that you are absolutely stunning and I would kick myself all day if I didn't come say hello to you ! " She usually will smile, laugh, or be flattered .. and then I introduce myself and go from there.

What direct approach do you guys do ?

this sounds like the Johnny Wisdom opener

Post: #18

I think it's all relative.

Game is like an arsenal in a battle field and you are armed with only a knife and gun.

Both will aid you at some point, but you're not going to pull out a knife when someone is shooting at you.

I'm just saying that everything you learn in pick up will aid you at some point, you just have to know when to use it. If you continuously pigeon hole yourself into using one weapon, then you're only going to get specific results based on the limitations of that weapon.

Post: #19

For me, direct game is the best way to go. It will be a harder path but your results will be better in both the quality of women you can fuck but also your value as a man. It speaks volumes that who I believe to be the best PUA on the planet (Krauser) does and swears by direct game.

Post: #20

(12-04-2012 09:45 PM)MattC Wrote:  It speaks volumes that who I believe to be the best PUA on the planet (Krauser) does and swears by direct game.

This is a pretty fucking corny statement... Pua guru worship is gay as fuck, and destructive to think about..


Anyway.. it's limiting to say that direct is the only way to go.. it really depends on the situation and how you're feeling at the time. Sometimes it feels right to go direct, other times it's more natural to be indirect. Stop putting labels on things.

Post: #21

(12-01-2012 05:54 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  If I went direct when I opened, it'd throw off the rest of the interaction - it also doesn't fit my goals. I don't know if I want to sleep with a girl when I open her, and so I'm not going to make her feel hugely attractive until she's demonstrated the qualities I'm looking for.

I only complement a girl when she's earned it, which means in the interim it is all indirect.

Direct is not about making a girl feel hugely attractive right off the bat in a "i like you/i want you" manner. It's not about chasing at all. You're not sold on her at all. You simply expressing interest/curiosity to let her know what's up and why you're talking to her. That's the whole purpose, to establish sexual frame in the interaction. That's it. It also feels like the vibe of the interaction is more "clean" since you BOTH understand the subtext. And The follow up is just normal conversation. You screen. You get to know each other, you watch how she reacts to your personality, you look for sexual chemistry, so basically you just have a normal [but more personal] conversation. After all, you don't know this girl, she's never done anything for you, you don't owe her anything so all it happens is that you saw her and you wanted to talk to her to see who she is. That's exactly how you show that you don't seek her approval at all (that's what girls look for so it's super crucial to banish all indications of approval seeking in your communication)

However direct style doesn't equate " i like/want you". That's not smart cause then the girl can feel that you're DTF regardless of who she is you convey all the wrong things about yourself. It goes downhill.

I think that's big thing to remember cause guys like to say that they tried it and it didn't work. But what was suppose to "work" there?

Direct style requires less finesse [like smooth/slick lines and moves] but much more balls and being totally congruent with your actions to the point of blunt honesty. It also works better on attractive girls as they can appreciate a honest compliment or just true confidence. Less attractive don't really get with the program that well as they always think the guy tries to trick them haha.. who can blame them right?

I think the effectiveness of direct depends on your personality. Some guys are more bossy in life in general and that's why they feel better going direct. Others are more charming conversationalists who can take advantage of seducing girls in more indirect ways.

At least that's how I understand it.