Post: #51

(01-20-2013 03:04 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I read the book.Roosh struggled there.Lack of knowledge of Russian language made him vulnerable to the mannierisms of Ukrainian women and did not grasp what was going on.Another important issue is that lack of inside culture knowledge prevented him from adopting the simple formulas needed.For example he had the conversation with the Ukrainian girl who liked Denmark.
In her positive predisposition towards Denmark she likely appreciated what Denmark offered over Ukraine that is stability,trust,good income and justice.
Roosh starts talking to her about gender relations in Denmark which is the least in her priorities(at least while she is in Ukraine and sees no advantage in women's position).So roosh words sound weird and empty in her ears.Totally irrelevant.Her mind is absorbed by the values she appreciates.
She takes the mental effort of a man to understand her position for granted.She supposes that every foreigner guy is familiar with the sad state of Ukrainian people.Because Ukrainians are already familiar with that.
So what roosh says does not interest her at all she disregards it and gets this blank stare.

Opposite to that I would reinforce her positive stereotype towards Scandinavia since it might include Greece as well.For example:
Her:My favorite country is Denmark.
Me:I have been to Denmark and you are absolutely right.People there are rich.It is very clean.(opposite to poor,dirty Ukraine).
Her:Oh,I love Denmark.I know a lot about this country.
Me:It is so safe people there move with bicycles.And you see very nice cars.Only prices are expensive.
Her:Ukraine is also expensive.
Me:No doubt.But in Denmark people can pay for quality things.
Her:Denmark is my dream.
Me:Greece is also good though not so good as Denmark of course.
Her:Tell me,what is the average salary in your country?
Me:It depends on the job.Many people make over 2000 euro per month.
Her:2000 euro is very little.One has to make at least 4000 euro in your country.
Me:You need this amount to live comfortable.
(generally Ukrainian women have a lot of misconceptions about wages realities in the West believing for example that Germans make on average 8000 euro per month etc).

Another negative thing(for Ukraine) which influenced roosh course is the talking providing too many explanations that is the rounded talking.It is obvious when you read the book.Opposite to that in Ukraine one has to use the syncopated talking which leaves explanations aside and is on the point.It is a variation of the Balkan talking on point and leaving much information without saying it because it is considered for granted.It is not the same talk as in Poland where girls overexaggerate and talk and talk.
Let's see for example roosh sentence ''It is funny here that you see an ugly guy with a beautiful girl.In America you don't see that-Really?-Yeah,the opposite.The guy will be Okay looking while his girl is overweight and her face not too pretty.It is common there.If you go to my city you will be approached by guys ten times a day because the girls are ugly.It will be easy for you to find a guy because the girls are ugly.And...''

This sentence becomes in Balkan talking:''Very good looking women in Ukraine but men not so good.''Her:Men here are ugly.And in Greece?''-Me:Greek girls beautiful.-Her:Yes,I know.Me:But I prefer Ukrainian women.-Her:Why?-Me:Greek girls are not very romantic.They want expensive presents.Her:Why are you not married?

Or if I wanted to say that in Greece you see good looking guys with ugly girls:''In Greece often an ugly old guy holds hand of a beautiful girl.Her:Here in Ukraine too.-Me:I know I noticed.Her:Money is important for men.-Me:You are right.Appearance is for women.

Generally you have to cut off sentences,think before you talk,use pauses,and have edgy sharp talking.It is good generally to appear a bit extreme in Ukraine.Roundness,pleasantry is not very much appreciated it is a more primitive culture.So a Balkan guy finds there a natural environment.You also have to use lots of pictures and not be analytical.

Good dialogue. However I my opinion you should let her talk about something beging expensive. They do not like hearing the mensay something is expensive. Better to make something sound as if lower quality or just say everything costs more but the word expensive is a turn off often. ZhADNI ZhADNI, they think if you shy away from expensive you are cheap thus zhadni.
Zhadni Amerikanits Govno!” [Stingy American Shit] this is kiss of death.

Post: #52

The difference in dialogues:
With polish girl:
-Poland is very cheap.
Her:Oh no.It is very expensive.Yesterday I went to buy some shoes and they cost 200 zloty.Most people make here only 1500 zloty per month.How are they going to survive?
-And the rents are high.
Her:Oh yes,you have to pay about 1000 zloty for rent for small apartment in my city.

With Ukrainian girl the dialogue becomes like this:
-Ukraine is very cheap.
Her:You think so?
Me:Yes,some things are cheap here compared to Athens.
Her:For us it is expensive.
Me:You are right it can be expensive.
Her:How much is rent in your country?

Another example.Let's see rambling.About Poland:
-I like Poland.So many forests and trees.Marvelous atmosphere.Your atmosphere is super.And the people are very nice.So pleasant.You really have a high culture.
Her:You like Poland?Come to stay here.

With Ukrainian girl it becomes like this.
-I like Ukraine.You have forests and rivers.And some cities like Kiev Lvov very nice.I like borsh.
Her:Yes,we have beautiful nature.You like borsh?

Post: #53

(01-21-2013 10:28 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The difference in dialogues:
With polish girl:
-Poland is very cheap.
Her:Oh no.It is very expensive.Yesterday I went to buy some shoes and they cost 200 zloty.Most people make here only 1500 zloty per month.How are they going to survive?
-And the rents are high.
Her:Oh yes,you have to pay about 1000 zloty for rent for small apartment in my city.

With Ukrainian girl the dialogue becomes like this:
-Ukraine is very cheap.
Her:You think so?
Me:Yes,some things are cheap here compared to Athens.
Her:For us it is expensive.
Me:You are right it can be expensive.
Her:How much is rent in your country?

Another example.Let's see rambling.About Poland:
-I like Poland.So many forests and trees.Marvelous atmosphere.Your atmosphere is super.And the people are very nice.So pleasant.You really have a high culture.
Her:You like Poland?Come to stay here.

With Ukrainian girl it becomes like this.
-I like Ukraine.You have forests and rivers.And some cities like Kiev Lvov very nice.I like borsh.
Her:Yes,we have beautiful nature.You like borsh?

You would be an ideal writer for a telenovella Kamaki.

Post: #54

Syncopated talk.A full sentence like ''you are beautiful,you have beautiful blue eyes'' becomes in syncopated Balkan talk:''Blue eyes,pretty.''
A sentence like ''it is very cold here.I would prefer if we went outside to get some warm coffee and talk to each other'' becomes ''here cold.Better go to cafe.''
Ommiting the uneccessary stick to the essentials.For example ''I like Tarantino films because they are very interesting and keep suspence and tension high.Their plot is also geniously conceived.The guy is a talent'' becomes:''I like Tarantino.You know Pulp Fiction?''

Post: #55

The book was very helpful to me, girls transactions based mind is so accurate. offering taxis back home to soften their resistance to come to your room was great advice which helped to get 1 bang. girls that will spend 3-4 hours time with you (+1 hour metro/bus trip per direction) just to get free mid level lunch/dinner (~15-20$ for both of you!) with no interest in you whatsoever, damn my time should have been used better.

Post: #56

I think it is time for Bang Ukraine 2018, many info is outdated those days.

Post: #57

(11-29-2012 09:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Reviews will go here. The book will be released on January 11.

As someone who spent much of his childhood in Ukraine, I really loved your comment that Ukrainians just like to make things look good rather than fix their problems. You put on paper what I thought for a very long time. Also, I got to add that nightgame in Kiev has never disappointed me and is perhaps the only place where taking a girl to a movie on a first date and escalating there is a viable option as I found it surprisingly effective, especially for girls over 25.

Post: #58

(10-25-2018 09:08 AM)diego69 Wrote:  I think it is time for Bang Ukraine 2018, many info is outdated those days.

The UA glory days have passed