Post: #1

I turned 40 years old earlier this week. I've been doing night game consistently for five years now and I've only averaged about 3 night game lays per year. About half on my night game lays were SNLs. It seems like most of you guys have at least that many lays per month so I kind of feel like it's too late to become good and I feel inferior to you guys.

I like going out to bars and approaching women but I'm in a dry spell. My last pull was in September and I've basically had no new lays in October or November. Now that I've turned 40 I'm kind of feeling over the hill.

I'm thinking about hitting the LES tonight and getting some approaches in. Yet I'm starting to feel like I'm old enough to be these girl's fathers. Being 40 is messing with my head.

Do you guys think I should give up on night game completely since I'm basically middle aged now? Or is it possible that I have a few good years left to hit the late night bar scene and have an occasional success?

Post: #2

I am older than you and first off I will have to say change your attitude. If you think negative thoughts you will get negative results.
If you think things are bad then try living in Toronto, assuming you are not living here already.
I would say most guys on this forum live in areas that are better socially or they travel to certain countries to enjoy themselves. Reading this forum you can deduce where these countries are!
If you take care of yourself you have quite a few years left.

Post: #3

(11-23-2012 08:57 PM)NoBalls Wrote:  I turned 40 years old earlier this week. I've been doing night game consistently for five years now and I've only averaged about 3 night game lays per year. About half on my night game lays were SNLs. It seems like most of you guys have at least that many lays per month so I kind of feel like it's too late to become good and I feel inferior to you guys.

I like going out to bars and approaching women but I'm in a dry spell. My last pull was in September and I've basically had no new lays in October or November. Now that I've turned 40 I'm kind of feeling over the hill.

I'm thinking about hitting the LES tonight and getting some approaches in. Yet I'm starting to feel like I'm old enough to be these girl's fathers. Being 40 is messing with my head.

Do you guys think I should give up on night game completely since I'm basically middle aged now? Or is it possible that I have a few good years left to hit the late night bar scene and have an occasional success?

I remember in one of my very first posts here on the forums I asked where this lifestyle leads. What was the end game? I got hammered by various members. They were probably a bit harsher than they needed to be, but I got their sentiment loud and clear. I won't do that to you here. But in regards to your question, you have to make that call for yourself. It's over when you say it is. Or, maybe in your case, when you believe it is. Do I personally think 40 is too old? Nope. I don't. But unless YOU believe that, what I think really isn't relevant. I think the real question here is: Do you want to give it up and focus solely on other things in your life? I don't get the vibe you're wanting to quit. Don't let a 2 month long dry spell derail all the work you've invested up until now. And don't judge your success against anyone else's. You're you and they're them. Despite what some people may believe, this isn't a competition.

Post: #4

At 40 years old you're still good enough to go at it. Tenderman is WAY older than you and you dont see him complaining. Change your attitude, increase your persistance in approaches, and learn from your mistakes. Bottom line is as long as you have a functioning dick you owe it to your dick to keep gaming women. When you can no longer get blood flowing into your swollen member, thats when you call it quits.

Post: #5

Guys, thanks for the replies. You guys are right, turning 40 should not change anything. I like night game and I like cold approach pickup in bars. No reason why I can't continue cold approaching in bars just because I'm 40.

I'm going to make myself dinner and hit the bars around midnight tonight!

Post: #6

It is all in your attitude. Whatever floats your boat. There is always something to improve, transform about yourself which is preventing you from being better. Age is not one of them. You should get better with age. There are reports on a local lair forum I sometime frequent about a guy in his mid 40's who says he is killing it with girls in their mid 20's.

The thing about ageing is that you have to take the bull by the horns and adapt/change or grow "old" and get set in your ways.

Ever seen the "the blueprint" by tyler durden. its awesome. there is always room to improve.

Post: #7

A man and a womans value and quality changes over time. A man is like wine. A woman is like a vending machine sandwich.

So now more than ever you are IN the game.

Even if you averaged 3 women per year, in 5 years you would have done more than a regular guy does in a lifetime. Keep in the game.

However, if you are unsatisfied with your results, you should analyse your strategy from A to Z and do some experiments to see where you might be failing and what could you change.

If you are keeping yourself in shape, gaming consistently, drinking moderately, and are congruent in your image and personality, you should be getting results consistently.

Have you tried a more social game? Going out a couple of times a week every week can be tiresome. At least it has become to me over the years, and I am 34. Keep doing night game, but implement an strategy to grow, solidify, and expand your social circle. Network. You could build a social network to provide you constantly fresh opportunities to meet and game women, without much effort on your side. (Aside from the initial setup efforts). If you do this to complement your night game, you will be swimming in pussy.

Post: #8

It's very location dependent. Asia is the best. Online game becomes much harder, they filter immediately by age whereas if you meet them in person and they like you you have more chance.

Almost all the guys saying age doesn't matter are under 40. They can't see what's coming any more than I could. They're trying to be helpful, like the guy above who's 34-- she doesn't know if he's 29 or 34, but the KNOWS he's not 53. It will be a lot different.

Obviously it's going to matter--a LOT-eventually. I guess you could compensate by approaching more and more and more as the percentages go down. No one is going to argue that you can be 75 and easily getting 18 year olds, unless you are some kind of big hero or extremely good looking or in Cambodia /Philippines etc. . They're just sort of parroting "You can do whatever you believe in" American optimism.

I'm in my mid fifties and I'd say: if you could get early 20's girls when you were 30 and you haven't gained weight etc, you can keep going pretty good until 45-MAYBE 50. Then you start typically looking at least 40.

For me I've noticed a big difference in their reactions when I get up close to a new girl at 55 compared to when I was 45. She can see the permanent wrinkles, facial structure starting to sag, skin less translucent.

She can tell I am definitely not in her age group, or in the age group adjacent to hers. Only girls with particular interest in what it's like with an older guy will be into you.

There'a another poster here who's 60, and he says he pretty much gave up going to colleges to game even though he was successful before. You just start to gradually feel yourself become invisible bit by bit as you reach your mid-50's. But at least men can go to Asia.

Also, make sure you lie about your age if she's under 30 and you're over 50: That first digit makes you an outcast.

Post: #9

All the senior players I know say you can go til about 45-50. You probably have a couple good years left.

How old are the girls you target?

Post: #10

Lol

Post: #11

Day game, dude.

Dress sharp, it's NY.

Post: #12

(11-24-2012 12:46 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  Lol

Post: #13

Age means very little in many parts of Asia. Take a trip and get your mojo back

Post: #14

Age is a factor in the west, esp if you are out of shape. There is a cultural war being waged against men and the one thing that women have been very vocal about is the age gap. They are doing everything they can to reduce whats acceptable and for good reason. Their shelf life increases when they convince everyone else that the whole milf/cougar thing is actually desirable or even acceptable. You need to be one very demented, sick fuck to find women approaching 50 attractive.

There is a sense of entitlement now where women feel that men need to date or marry women who are within their age range. They will shame the living fuck out of men who date younger and I am Satan reincarnated with some of my friends wives and partners. It also does not help that there are so many hard up dudes that they resort to fucking older women on the regular. The whole MILF and cougar thing is no different to fat chicks, but the guys resorting to it have social approval for the behavior, meaning they themselves often resort to shaming the late 30's guy smashing the young 20's hottie.

Attraction is attraction though and social conditioning can only do so much. I still do OK, although to be honest I find I am losing interest in western women completely. I have a few women on the go, but many have been on the go for years. They come and go between their relationships, and I stock up from time to time, but for the most part they are simply no longer really worth the time investment.

You approach needs to change as you get older. Its absolutely vital that you are in shape and dress well. Its also important not to try and come off as being younger than you are. Wear your age with pride, nothing worse than a guy over 40 trying to act 21. Also, day game is the clincher and needs to become a staple. At 40 you should not be in nightclubs until all hours either. Upscale bars and venues is a different story.

In saying that, age is less of a factor in Eastern Europe, Russia and Asia. Even South America to a degree. In Russia the biggest Mac Daddy in the club is often some mid 50's heart attack waiting to happen.

Post: #15

(11-24-2012 12:11 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  It's very location dependent. Asia is the best. Online game becomes much harder, they filter immediately by age whereas if you meet them in person and they like you you have more chance.

Almost all the guys saying age doesn't matter are under 40. They can't see what's coming any more than I could. They're trying to be helpful, like the guy above who's 34-- she doesn't know if he's 29 or 34, but the KNOWS he's not 53. It will be a lot different.

Obviously it's going to matter--a LOT-eventually. I guess you could compensate by approaching more and more and more as the percentages go down. No one is going to argue that you can be 75 and easily getting 18 year olds, unless you are some kind of big hero or extremely good looking or in Cambodia /Philippines etc. . They're just sort of parroting "You can do whatever you believe in" American optimism.

I'm in my mid fifties and I'd say: if you could get early 20's girls when you were 30 and you haven't gained weight etc, you can keep going pretty good until 45-MAYBE 50. Then you start typically looking at least 40.

For me I've noticed a big difference in their reactions when I get up close to a new girl at 55 compared to when I was 45. She can see the permanent wrinkles, facial structure starting to sag, skin less translucent.

She can tell I am definitely not in her age group, or in the age group adjacent to hers. Only girls with particular interest in what it's like with an older guy will be into you.

There'a another poster here who's 60, and he says he pretty much gave up going to colleges to game even though he was successful before. You just start to gradually feel yourself become invisible bit by bit as you reach your mid-50's. But at least men can go to Asia.

Also, make sure you lie about your age if she's under 30 and you're over 50: That first digit makes you an outcast.

Very honest assessment. This should be required reading for every RVF member. We all have to plan for the future.

Post: #16

When and if I get to 45 Im headed to SE Asia permanently. Until then South America, Eastern Europe and hopefully Russia will be my playgrounds.
By the way,even in my mid 30s, nightclubs dont seem that efficient anymore. Could be because I am based in South America. Day and online game pay bigger dividends, assuming you always lie about your age and stay in shape.

Post: #17

NoBalls, are you restricting yourself to twentysomethings? I like all ages, 18-65 so that widens the selection a lot.

I'm 50, I think it got easier for me at 45, but lots of women see me as second or third marriage material, annoying.

As mentioned, most non-white cultures are fine with a man much older than the woman.

Post: #18

(11-23-2012 08:57 PM)NoBalls Wrote:  I've been doing night game consistently for five years now

So why aren't you trying day game, or online game, or social circle game, or something else?

Post: #19

Harry - are you over 45?

Post: #20

Germanico, I'm not really interested in social game because I really like cold approach game. I still intend to get really good at it some day. There is something about cold approaching a random girl and have it turn into something bigger that I find very appealing.

iknowexactly, I tell the truth when women ask my age. Sometimes the girls I have brought back never asked for my age. I find age is an issue if they ask before we make out but its not an issue if she asks after we make out. I had a 27 year old freak out once when she found out my age in the cab ride home. She never asked my age but her roommate was in the cab with us and she asked my age.

Giovonny, I target girls 21-45 as long as they are attractive. I generally find it easier to bring women back who are in their 20s. Women in their 30s are more likely to want to go on a date and then interrogate me and say that they don't do casual sex anymore.

Hooligan Harry, I'm starting to integrate day game back into my life. Until recently I have not done it for about 5 years. I've done it a few times over the last few weeks. I really do like night game but you are right about not being able to be in nightclubs until all hours. My biggest problem is that I can't sleep late anymore. If I come home at 5AM I will wake up around 9AM and can't fall back to sleep. Then I am exhausted for a couple of days.

Anyway, I actually met a girl last night and went home with her but she would not let me take off her panties so we just made out for a long time. She was pretty close to letting me but ultimately she didn't give in to her desires. I still kind of feel like I got a monkey off my back even though I didn't get laid.

Post: #21

This is the golden rule, until your dick stops working then its never too late.

Post: #22

(11-24-2012 12:06 PM)NoBalls Wrote:  iknowexactly, I tell the truth when women ask my age. Sometimes the girls I have brought back never asked for my age. I find age is an issue if they ask before we make out but its not an issue if she asks after we make out. I had a 27 year old freak out once when she found out my age in the cab ride home. She never asked my age but her roommate was in the cab with us and she asked my age.

Why are you cockblocking yourself like that? I don't get it. I always shave 7-8 years off my age and have never been called on it. (I do look younger). You should claim you are the lowest age you can credibly get away with-this will make much younger women available to you. I have a second date tonight with a 33 year old. She thinks I am 43 and told me on our first date her cutoff age is normally 42 but she was making an exception for me. She would not be going out with me if she knew my real age, which is well over 43. If you are a middle aged guy who wants to date significantly younger western women, you better learn to start lying like a mofo or you are consigning yourself to failure

Post: #23

(11-24-2012 02:46 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 12:06 PM)NoBalls Wrote:  iknowexactly, I tell the truth when women ask my age. Sometimes the girls I have brought back never asked for my age. I find age is an issue if they ask before we make out but its not an issue if she asks after we make out. I had a 27 year old freak out once when she found out my age in the cab ride home. She never asked my age but her roommate was in the cab with us and she asked my age.

Why are you cockblocking yourself like that? I don't get it. I always shave 7-8 years off my age

pragmatically lying is better short term for sure. how ever I can see both sides-- you have to remember what you told her, watch for paperwork lying around -- it can get tedious--I have my online CV without graduation dates because it would "out" me--, and if you want an ltr; explain later.

Post: #24

Come to Japan, I regularly see and know of 40 year old people who have 18 year old girlfriends. But they seem to be owners of businesses. One of them runs a crappy small darts bar, can barely fit 10 people in the place.

The other day I saw a grey haird 50-60 year old white guy with a cute Japanese girl she was holding his hand, she had to have been around 20 years old. I would have rated her a 5 overall. Could have been his daughter but i'll never know.

I regularly see busted ugly looking japanese dudes with Hot Japanese girls.

Post: #25

Grow some balls first.



Girls often claim to like older men. They can't just be saying that.