Post: #51

She is certainly one type of player.

The current mentally is a woman cannot be after sex she has to be after money. But I've been literally fucked by more than a few women that wasn't after anything else but that. I didn't pickup and seduce these women. So who was the player and who was the playee?

Is a woman that wants sex and is willing to go after it just a whore or slut? Isn't that just a double standard we are always accusing women of?

(11-20-2012 01:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  A female "player" is a woman who gets alot of money from guys. That is their "game".

Post: #52

(11-19-2012 09:42 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Again, it doesn't matter what we think of her. The point is, is she getting top notch guys or not? What do we think of the guys she's balling?

This is the same stick I would measure any of you by: the girls you are pulling. I don't give a shit what you look like.

I don't believe one can judge a woman's playette skills on the type of men she gets. Any decent looking lizard will get tons of blokes and it has fcuk all to do with her wealth.
Men go for lizards primarily on look and availability. This is why guys go to Russia and Asia looking for ass. Is it because the lizards there have wealth? No. It's because they look good and are compliant with getting slammed.

I personally know lizards well in the 300's who get plenty of men. Do their hair, throw on a decent dress and place oneself in a high traffic male zone.
Bingo. End of.

Post: #53

"hot guys"

Post: #54

Taylor Swift game: *Approaches* *Opens legs*

Post: #55

(11-20-2012 02:07 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  She is certainly one type of player.

The current mentally is a woman cannot be after sex she has to be after money. But I've been literally fucked by more than a few women that wasn't after anything else but that. I didn't pickup and seduce these women. So who was the player and who was the playee?

Is a woman that wants sex and is willing to go after it just a whore or slut? Isn't that just a double standard we are always accusing women of?

(11-20-2012 01:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  A female "player" is a woman who gets alot of money from guys. That is their "game".

Yes, she is a slut. No, that's not a double standard. It lowers a woman's value if she sleeps around and rides the cock carousel. It is a selection criterion for men who want to enter an LTR with a woman. And the main reason why being called a slut by other women is so hurtful.

Men do not lower their value by fucking around.

Also, unless the man is of extremely higher value than a woman, she doesn't need to 'play' him if she just wants sex. That is the problem with women controlling the sex exchange these days, aka pussy power. If the guy is too high and not drunk as an imbecil, she won't have any chance. But she can just move on to the next (lower status) chump that she fancies and offer again. It'll seem like a player move, because she usually won't communicate it overtly, but it still is the same: throwing sex in a horny man's face. (I know the word horny is redundant)

Post: #56

(11-19-2012 08:54 PM)ABDada Wrote:  There was some interview with her recently where she said that she hates wearing the pants in the relationship, and if the guy doesn't take charge, she gets bored of him.

I have read an interview of a victoria secret model with 3 kids from 3 different fathers and many public affairs. She said the exact same words...

Post: #57

Can somebody explain the purpose of this thread?
After reading this thread I think that many of you need several months away from this forum and any other PUA forums....

Post: #58

(11-21-2012 01:33 AM)travolta Wrote:  Can somebody explain the purpose of this thread?
After reading this thread I think that many of you need several months away from this forum and any other PUA forums....

diddo

Post: #59

Nomad77 are you gay?

Post: #60

(11-21-2012 03:26 AM)soup Wrote:  Nomad77 are you gay?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #61

I must agree here and say that this is one of the worst threads I've seen on here. A hot girl "getting" a lot of guys is news why? As for the words about her being a "player", one only needs to look at Samseau's quote about keys and locks to see how ludicrous such a statement is.

Post: #62

Yes, this thread is horrible, but I'm going to take the time to try and clarify some things anyway. Maybe it will be useful to someone.

(11-20-2012 02:07 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  She is certainly one type of player.

The current mentally is a woman cannot be after sex she has to be after money. But I've been literally fucked by more than a few women that wasn't after anything else but that. I didn't pickup and seduce these women. So who was the player and who was the playee?

We need to break the term "player" down here.

To be a "player", it must be implied that there is something to be played, something that stands in the way of an individual achieving his/her objective.

We call sexually successful men "players" because it is a challenge for any given male (even a very good looking one) to maintain such success due to female selectivity. Even the best men have to actually work to gain sexual access to the women they are attracted to (witness the abundance of stories of male models and celebrities getting turned down by attractive women they approach). A man who overcomes this challenge with relative frequency (even the best don't do much better than 5/100) and attains good quality while doing it is lauded as a "player". The very term implies that he has done something challenging and/or uncommon, something not just any random guy can do (as we all know, there are masses of desperate dudes out there who struggle to get any female interest at all).

This is where we see the key difference-whereas a man who simply wants sex (and is not a homosexual) faces an uphill climb to get it, an attractive young woman (sometimes even plain young woman, to be frank) does not. There is no game for her to play-she need merely show up in order to find a guy to fuck her.

Can a woman be after sex and sex alone? Sure. The point is that she does not need to play any games (or do much of anything else) in order to get sex. The fact that she succeeded in getting a guy into bed for a sexual encounter does not make her a "player"-there was nothing for her to play. She needs no "game" and no "effort" to simply get laid by a guy.

Now, let's say that we have a hypothetical woman who goes beyond this standard-rather than merely seeking to get laid by any decent looking dude (which she can always do), she seeks to attain the resources of a higher quality one and use them to her advantage.

This concept of the "female hustler" does exist-she doesn't merely seek intercourse with high status men (that's a common groupie-any girl can do this), but rather is able to convince those higher status men to keep her around and devote exorbitant percentages of their resources to her that she uses for her own benefit/advancement (and that of any offspring she has).

She knows how to make a man feel loved (even if she's not that into him sexually) as she fully intends to milk him for all he is worth. A lot of strippers (the ones who make any sort of money, anyway) are "female hustlers", about as close an equivalent to a "male player" you can find. They live on their ability to manipulate male senses/emotions, sell men a dream and make them feel like they could realize it even as they slowly run out of money.

The point, however, is that the attainment of sex does not a "female player" make. The girls you claim to have "been fucked" by are not "players". All they did was get laid, and that doesn't require any playing.

Quote:Is a woman that wants sex and is willing to go after it just a whore or slut? Isn't that just a double standard we are always accusing women of?

The term for a woman who is merely after sex and sex alone is probably something along those lines. Is that a double standard? Only if you assume that men and women are playing by the same rules to begin with.
One could also argue that it isn't fair for men to have to face a more complicated road to sexual access than women do, but it is this very distinction that creates the double standard.

It is harder for men to get sex = we call them players when they do. It is very easy for a woman to find and have casual sex with many men = we call her a slut when she does. We praise sexually prolific men and shame sexually prolific women, while simultaneously praising sexually reserved/inexperienced women and shaming sexually reserved/inexperienced men.

That is what it is. We're not the same, and everyone, even those women who continue to "protest" the "double standard", is fully aware of this, and acts accordingly (read: they are selective about the men they choose, slut shame slutty female peers, favor sexually experienced men, etc). There's no equality, and there will never be.

Post: #63

RE female players: http://www.betcheslovethis.com/tags/the-betch-list

That site is to women as any "pick-up" blog is to men. When I think of a "female player," (if such a thing exists) that is what I think of.

Post: #64

A few points of order to make.

1) She's clearly high-T, just look at her build, and she loves to fuck and probably fucks like a man, but so what? I don't like how she's seen as an example for every empty-headed university co-ed as much as any of you do, but at the same time, what do I care if she fucks a bunch of Hollywood players? If I was an upstart young actor and we met at some club in Hollywood and she was throwing it out there then fuck yeah, I'd take her home and fuck her so hard she cried.

2) Nonpareil's estimate of her lifetime notch count: 25-50...which definitely puts her well into the slut zone, but she's 23, and has only been really famous for 4-5 years, and as far as I'm aware (since I don't follow celebrity gossip), if she was racking up notches in high school, someone would have spoken (or I'm just underestimating how good her handlers are at keeping her past in the past). She doesn't seem like she fucks nobodies, but I bet a few civilian guys with game (and probably a few celebrities who have kept quiet) have got in there.

3) Again, at just 23 she has 4-5 years before the wall (and it'll hit her hard) and another 4-5 years where she's still decent enough to toss a bang at.

4) You give women props for their looks, not for their game. For a girl of even average attractiveness (of which Taylor Swift is above), getting laid is showing up. For a guy, it's about learning game, taking care of your house, dressing sharp, working out and a little bit of luck. A female player is a stripper or an escort.

5) Finally, I struggle to remember a famous broad who's ranking on the scale has been harder to assess, though at the same time you guys saying '4/10, would not bang...', yeah, sure you wouldn't, and you guys saying '9/10, would definitely bang...', I'm with you in the 'would definitely bang' camp, but a 9? I really get tired of saying this, but like Tuthmosis said, she's definitely fuckable, but I see as-cute or cuter girls every day; she's 'pretty', but not show-stopping.

In terms of appearance between a 6.5 and a 7.5, would definitely bang, adjust upwards .5-1 point for her cash and access.

Post: #65

(11-19-2012 11:51 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Agreed. It's much easier for a young woman. But she's also a very public figure. And I just felt she should be given some credit for the sheer quantity of top notch studs she's gotten regardless.
I guess the question becomes what would qualify her or any woman as a top female player then?

How much time would you say you have spent thinking about the attractiveness of Taylor Swift's boyfriends?

Post: #66

(11-20-2012 02:07 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  She is certainly one type of player.

The current mentally is a woman cannot be after sex she has to be after money. But I've been literally fucked by more than a few women that wasn't after anything else but that. I didn't pickup and seduce these women. So who was the player and who was the playee?

Is a woman that wants sex and is willing to go after it just a whore or slut? Isn't that just a double standard we are always accusing women of?

No, because a double standard assumes all other things are the same, which isn't the case since men and women are different sexes

Post: #67

(11-21-2012 04:32 PM)snoop Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 02:07 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  She is certainly one type of player.

The current mentally is a woman cannot be after sex she has to be after money. But I've been literally fucked by more than a few women that wasn't after anything else but that. I didn't pickup and seduce these women. So who was the player and who was the playee?

Is a woman that wants sex and is willing to go after it just a whore or slut? Isn't that just a double standard we are always accusing women of?

No, because a double standard assumes all other things are the same, which isn't the case since men and women are different sexes

Women assume the greater risk in sex. They could get knocked up for nine months and then have to care for a kid for 18 years.

A guy has sex and can walk away if he wants even if she's pregnant.

Society however to try counterbalance the inequities imposed on women by nature with ridiculous feminist laws.