Post: #26

(07-14-2015 04:13 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:58 AM)Suits Wrote:  Bangkok or a similar Thailand location would probably be a good choice, since a lot of members spend time there anyway even without the incentive of membership in a men's club.

Yeah, BKK might be the best bet unless we it was possible to "sell" enough guys on some other location. Regardless of some of its drawbacks, Bangkok has become a natural meeting place. Seems to be quite a few guys in the Philippines too.

Personally, I would like to relocate near a beach somewheres. Tired of tying myself down to places with no oceanside - for whatever reason it seems to be my tendency since I first moved out here.

Maybe I just need more sidetrips.

Yes, I would be a huge fan of a place with beaches as well, but that would require more critical mass. You can't really consider a place where men might come to check out for a few days. Thailand has many wonderful locations, but that pattern is that men tend to actually settle somewhere like BKK if they are in Thailand for an extend stay, with short side trips elsewhere.

There's also a certain amount of business traffic through BKK for certain members, especially those who also do trade in places like Australia.


I'm currently 100% percent in position to launch a men's club as you've described here in Beijing, but there simply wouldn't be enough interest.

The men who live in Beijing are usually absurdly busy and difficult to connect with even once a week, so I could hardly see them making regular appearances and other than the two or three Beijing based members who have accounts here but never post, at best there are only a few forum members who visit Beijing each year.


I'm actually working on the idea of creating a social club here in Beijing, but more as a business.

Personally, I given the expense of this city, the model I'm more likely to implement would be a social club with location that serves food and drinks at cost. Membership fees would cover the cost of operations, with room for a tidy profit for me.

Personally, I'd leap at the opportunity to have a private bar in a convenient location where I (and every other member) would benefit from having the place on lock down. No exchange of money when having dinner or a drink, hosts who know your name and will bring you your favourite drink without being asked.

Since I take out new girls two or three times a week, having an affordable option like this (probably cheaper than a restaurant, because paying rent for an expensive store front location would not be necessary), this would be a real asset.

Post: #27

Certainly for the SEA based contingent Bangkok seems to make the most sense I would imagine...

Post: #28

I agree on BKK. Although some beach location would be nice, I think BKK is the only location where you get critical mass of RVF members.

Suits, this isn't a place to bring your dates. You forgot one important rule of a men's club.

Post: #29

On the bright side, there are many beach locations pretty accessible from Bangkok, especially for any guy with enough discretionary income to be part of a social club.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #30

(07-14-2015 05:02 AM)dreambig Wrote:  Suits, this isn't a place to bring your dates. You forgot one important rule of a men's club.

BB's idea isn't for a place to take dates. It would be great to get a place going in BBK that could accommodate an all male environment.

My proposal is an entirely separate, but parallel idea, to put the ball back in my court when it comes to taking girls out. If I develop the idea further, I'll create a thread, but until then, if anyone has any suggestions...

Post: #31

(07-14-2015 03:23 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 01:32 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Well men's clubs follow the membership model of: current member introduces new member, whole membership must anonymously unanimously accept, if they don't then the introducing member must resign too. This obviously makes everyone in the group agreeable to each other, and generally the same faction, thus keeping impetus for drama at a minimum.

This sounds like a smart model, but I've never heard of it before. Could you link to a resource that discusses this more?

Well by Men's club, I think BB means Gentlemen's Club by its original meaning:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen's_club

An interestingly relevant gentlemen's club was the Travelers club: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travellers_Club

The voting system is called 'blackballing' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackballing

Post: #32

I used to work for the Bohemian Club.

With entrance fees at 40,000 a year, it's some seriously productive shit. Only downside is the exclusivity is the only way to demand that kind of price

Post: #33

I think this is a great idea. Why not set it up like they did in the Sopranos? Have a public bar, open to whoever wants to come, with a private room in back for membership only. The public bar would pay for the overhead and salaries as well as profit to the manager. Get a couple of hotties working the bar bringing people in... which would be a great way to screen for potential new members.

The dues make the whole club official, pay for booze/clubroom upkeep and organized events (such as trip to another town for scuba diving).



As for a city that is coastal, has a tropical climate, modern infrastructure, easily accessible and plenty of girls to go around without the obnoxious tourists to go along with it?

Two words: Da Nang.

Post: #34

(07-14-2015 02:33 PM)RIslander Wrote:  I think this is a great idea. Why not set it up like they did in the Sopranos? Have a public bar, open to whoever wants to come, with a private room in back for membership only. The public bar would pay for the overhead and salaries as well as profit to the manager. Get a couple of hotties working the bar bringing people in... which would be a great way to screen for potential new members.

The dues make the whole club official, pay for booze/clubroom upkeep and organized events (such as trip to another town for scuba diving).



As for a city that is coastal, has a tropical climate, modern infrastructure, easily accessible and plenty of girls to go around without the obnoxious tourists to go along with it?

Two words: Da Nang.

This approach seems to make the most sense, even if the back room is small you can use the public bar space on off nights or day when things are slow.

Post: #35

I think that's a great idea.

Also, I love Da Nang. Might be hard to draw enough members up though, at least in the beginning, which would raise startup costs.

As for climate, have you been to Da Nang in the winter before? Cold, rainy, and windy. Not the end of the world if you stick to Carr's but I immediately categorized it as a seasonal destination.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #36

I think that this idea would work best if you launched it with multiple locations. Sure, it's a bigger piece to bite off, but you'll get much more critical mass (guys willing to pay membership fees upfront), if there are three cities where they can enjoy membership privileges rather than one.

If a guy spends only two weeks per year in Bangkok, he probably won't be interested in paying year round membership fees, but if he spends three months in the Philippines and can attend a club location there in addition to enjoying membership benefits in Bangkok when he is there for two weeks, he's going to feel like he's getting real value.



Another idea to consider is combining this goal with providing hotel/housing services to new arrivals.

One of the biggest issues the new comers in Bangkok deal with is getting an affordable short term lease in a good area of Bangkok. Staying in a hotel for two months is not fun, but neither is losing your deposit because you stay through only part of your six month lease of a flat.

If you had a large flat renting out with a larger living room but also a couple smaller bedroom with enough privacy for banging girls, you'd get a dual purpose location.

You might not have many guys willing to pay a year round membership for a place where they will visit for two weeks, but if membership saves them money on housing when they visit, I can see more guys getting on board. You'd certainly get my attention.

I know that this moves away from the "No Girl's Allowed" tree fort model, but if you are looking to develop community, this might be a good way to do it.

There's no reason why you can't have a boy's only zone in a nearby flat that doesn't have bedrooms set up. To get the best value for your money, it would make sense that you are going to have a club house where no members are living, to have a small bedroom and let the hired help live there.

Since the place is going to empty fairly often, you can hire a chef/bartender/cleaning guy and provide him with free housing in lieu of a much higher salary. Just make sure that you keep the whiskey room (see below) locked up when you aren't around to watch him.

I'm not in favour of hiring female staff, unless it's a cleaning lady three times everyone's age.


Five rooms:

Kitchen, enough room for a hired private chef to put on a proper dinner for all members that might be in attendance at such an event.

Dining Room, obviously enough chairs and table room for all members that might wish to attend a dinner or lunch together. This room should be larger and contain a bar where beer is stored and cocktails can be mixed. Dart board, pool table, board games, etc in this room.

Whiskey/Wine room, a darker room for quiet conversation and stocked with quality whiskeys and wines. Quieter philosophical discussions could occur here, while the dining room would be reserved for rowdier activities and conversation.

Library, stocked with books useful for travellers and also classic and educational titles. Some novels for pleasure reading. No copies of 50 Shades of Grey. This room would have a couple of arm chairs and perhaps some desks. It would be the quiet room, quieter than the Whiskey/Wine room.

PUA Role Play Room: An activity room where members could watch re-runs of The Pickup Artist and role play various canned openers and kino escalations with each other. No homo.

Post: #37

Charge dues no different then a golf course. I think this would make most sense if you could cater to a high end crowd particularly married men who need a place to bring girlfriends. Perhaps have onsite suites which members get usage of.

Post: #38

(07-14-2015 10:39 PM)Suits Wrote:  PUA Role Play Room: An activity room where members could watch re-runs of The Pickup Artist and role play various canned openers and kino escalations with each other. No homo.

Not sure if serious.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #39

You could probably get a bangin ass place in SE Asia to rent out, but I almost think it would be a good idea to do a sort of co-op thing. Purchase a big ass mansion and sell off shares to members. These members could theoretically rent out their shares to new members that haven't been vetted yet, etc.

If people here are thinking a long term men's club, it needs to be owned by at least someone in the group.

I'd be willing to do this in 2-3 years with someone/group to make this a long term, long lasting legacy type of club.

You'd probably have to set up some type of revenue stream for the first few years like a bar/strip club, but after that it would be paid, and membership would be pretty inexpensive for the elite few RV members here.

Post: #40

the over the top, high capital ideas seem like they have a high barrier/risk to getting started. This is guys we are talking about, not the kardashians. If I remember correctly dudes don't seem to care much as long as they have a space. I mean, I wouldn't balk if my local RVF 'war room' was a Better Call Saul office in the back of a nail bar.

Post: #41

What about opening one or several low-key, casual gentlemen's club, more or less the kind that the South American Explorers club operate: http://www.saexplorers.org/

It would be relatively cheap (only the rental of the house itself, plus some advertising and adequate furniture), with maybe no commercial license needed (operating as an association, cultural club of sorts). Would serve as a R&R house/local for intl travelers, and especially red-pill travelers...

If 3 or 4 RVF members open such casual gentlemen's clubs in, say, BKK Manila and Medellin, it would be a good start, and a global membership fee could be asked - with membership opening privileges at each location (free drinks, and advice and luggage storage and free wifi)...
Gold members of the RVF would have automatic membership, of course...

Post: #42

There are a lot of interesting ideas in this thread. I have a large house and a lot of unused land in a mountain village in the FYROM that I think could be a perfect spot for something like an exclusive RnR house or just a chill spot like the post above. I am going to be there in October for a bit, I'll draw up some plans for possible renovations and see if there is any traction.

Post: #43

(08-28-2015 11:50 PM)Unfadable Wrote:  There are a lot of interesting ideas in this thread. I have a large house and a lot of unused land in a mountain village in the FYROM that I think could be a perfect spot for something like an exclusive RnR house or just a chill spot like the post above. I am going to be there in October for a bit, I'll draw up some plans for possible renovations and see if there is any traction.

Good point.

These types of places need not be in any permanent place but can be in an 'as needed' type arrangement.

I can think of a few places that could attract all sorts of men who just need a place to decompress for a while. Hell, my family feeds themselves off these types of places (Outfitting big game hunts).

The more things push against us, the more places like this become necessary. My male only book club already occupies one of the best private back rooms in the city. Its only really a small step to private membership.

Post: #44

(08-30-2015 02:38 AM)Laner Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 11:50 PM)Unfadable Wrote:  There are a lot of interesting ideas in this thread. I have a large house and a lot of unused land in a mountain village in the FYROM that I think could be a perfect spot for something like an exclusive RnR house or just a chill spot like the post above. I am going to be there in October for a bit, I'll draw up some plans for possible renovations and see if there is any traction.

Good point.

These types of places need not be in any permanent place but can be in an 'as needed' type arrangement.

I can think of a few places that could attract all sorts of men who just need a place to decompress for a while. Hell, my family feeds themselves off these types of places (Outfitting big game hunts).

The more things push against us, the more places like this become necessary. My male only book club already occupies one of the best private back rooms in the city. Its only really a small step to private membership.

Best thing would be, a small international red of such R&R places, with a unique membership fee (giving access to all of them)...

Like, half a dozen RVFers opening 5 or 6 gentlemen's club or casual RnR places in our most popular intl destinations : in BKK, Bali, Manila, Medellin, Cancun, Kiev... nothing luxurious, but with useful stuff and like-minded patrons...

Post: #45

I am interested in this.

Was just talking about a similar topic by PM.

A lot of people are talking about SEA. Is there any interest in a men's club in for example Warsaw?

Post: #46

Bump.

Just saw this thread... any traction with this idea? It sounds like Project Hollywood in The Game, which blew up with drama, but I trust that we forum guys have our shit together so a repeat of the Hollywood disaster is unlikely. There will be more Fisto & Veloce-esque stories...

Post: #47

(11-04-2016 05:24 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Bump.

Just saw this thread... any traction with this idea? It sounds like Project Hollywood in The Game, which blew up with drama, but I trust that we forum guys have our shit together so a repeat of the Hollywood disaster is unlikely. There will be more Fisto & Veloce-esque stories...

I haven't seen what you mentioned but I would be happy to become part of a regular BKK meet up that would eventually result in a broader, more sustainable investment.

Is your flag accurate?

Post: #48

(11-04-2016 06:37 AM)readyforbrekky Wrote:  

(11-04-2016 05:24 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Bump.

Just saw this thread... any traction with this idea? It sounds like Project Hollywood in The Game, which blew up with drama, but I trust that we forum guys have our shit together so a repeat of the Hollywood disaster is unlikely. There will be more Fisto & Veloce-esque stories...

I haven't seen what you mentioned but I would be happy to become part of a regular BKK meet up that would eventually result in a broader, more sustainable investment.

Is your flag accurate?

Wasn't my idea, by the way. Yes, my flag is still accurate. I'm in and out of here though, splitting my time between here and neighboring countries.

Post: #49

Actually yeah!

I just signed a lease on a place in Chinatown that is perfect for this. We are using it as a clubhouse, a place to have poker nights, chill before/after the bars, and just generally have a place to go with guys that need to get away from their families for a bit.

At the moment, I have the lease and two other guys split the other 50% of the rent. All other guys have to donate things to get us fit out- brown leather furniture, brass floor lamps, chrome bar set, fridge, stereo, alcohol, etc. Instead of dues, we will just let guys bring booze or such until our bar is set up.

I do both a mens meetup (carry over from the protests against the RVF/ROK fiasco last year) as well as a mens book club. This might eventually happen here as well, but the book club currently gets one of the best back room whisky bars in the city for free so not any time soon for this.

So far the downsides are the time spent there. It seems like guys would be down to spend a bunch of time there, but its been hard. Most guys are very busy, especially the case when its still in set up phase. A lot of the guys that are really into this idea are 9-5 corporate guys, so they lack skills to do any reno work and are only available evenings and weekends.

So far though, having a clubhouse right in Chinatown above some of the best lounges and restaurants in the city is bad ass. It just feels cool.

Post: #50

I would do this if, and only if:

The club is within spitting distance of an airport,
I have some kind of leverage (MAD or otherwise) that would allow me to trust the other members,
I can leave some stuff in secure and private storage year-round, and
The clubhouse has parking with a few vehicles outside.

Like SoHo House but closer to JFK, with everything you need to reboot before gallivanting around town.

If anyone is actually interested in doing this in Montevideo, Buenos Aires, or Asuncion, shoot me a PM. I'm tired of getting bogus credit card charges from shady rental car outfits and wandering around airports looking for lockers.