(07-25-2014 01:19 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 10:55 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 10:40 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 07:28 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  I feel for black guys in the US. It seems like theyre caught in a real conundrum. On the one hand, their first choice is black women, many of whom have impossible attitudes, are obese, and just plain unpleasant to deal with. On the other hand, should they choose not to pursue black women, they have to clown around to a small niche of white girls who like/prefer black guys, not to mention wade through a shit-ton of dumbass OKC bitches with "I'm not racist but no blacks please" plastered on their profiles. How do you guys deal with this everyday shit? Perhaps I'm making it out to be worse than it really is?

It's every bit as bad as you portray. Maybe the top 10% of black guys will have the looks, social freedom and money to do well regardless.

How do we deal? You just have to suck it up. It does wear down on you seeing white or Latin guys with zero game getting way cuter girls than I ever could. But the first rule of life is that life isn't fair. It is what it is. I will probably be stuck in the USA for at least another year or year and a half. Hopefully after I can start getting back out in the world.

@Traveler Kai

How did your Chinese wife's family react to her marrying a black guy?

Also that part about white guys and latin guys getting better chicks than we ever could, is the truth. I wish I could drop my stats and accomplishments without getting caught, just to help paint the picture of how fucked up the game is here in the US for brothers. Maybe ATL, NYC, or even places like Louisiana can be clever exploits for some of us, but it is what it is. I tell you what though. If you can game in the US, game abroad is like shooting fish in a barrel. Taking that same work ethic to preparation, it reaps success outside. 1 month in China was better than 1 year in the US for me. Preparing was key though. Going in blind will just waste time.

I think this is only the case when comes to dating their own race. People in general prefer to date within their races, I doubt whites and latinos are pulling hotter black girls than the average black guy.

Generally yes. I seen cases where it is not. There is a white guy in his 50 s or 60s that has a 10 piece black wife that might be early 30's that goes to my church. I have 3 hispanic friends that are fat and average that have pulled hotter black women than your average brother can.

The only thing is that if they tried they can. If we try to pull outside our race, it's harder. Like Azul said though, you can do better in other coastal locations, but can any of those chicks translate to a LTR? In the South mandingos are always in demand. Can you date them though? Can you LTR? What about marriage even? We all know about the Tyrones that get lucky sometimes because these women know he is not a keeper, just a dude that will do as he is told and go away after they have finished cuckolding him. It's not much different from the butterfaced nigger loving wigger women. They won't touch a good black man.

(07-25-2014 01:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote:I think this is only the case when comes to dating their own race. People in general prefer to date within their races, I doubt whites and latinos are pulling hotter black girls than the average black guy.

Generally yes. I seen cases where it is not. There is a white guy in his 50 s or 60s that has a 10 piece black wife that might be early 30's that goes to my church. I have 3 hispanic friends that are fat and average that have pulled hotter black women than your average brother can.

The only thing is that if they tried they can. If we try to pull outside our race, it's harder. Like Azul said though, you can do better in other coastal locations, but can any of those chicks translate to a LTR? In the South mandingos are always in demand. Can you date them though? Can you LTR? What about marriage even? We all know about the Tyrones that get lucky sometimes because these women know he is not a keeper, just a dude that will do as he is told and go away after they have finished cuckolding him. It's not much different from the butterfaced nigger loving wigger women. They won't touch a good black man.

Yeah, there are also a ton of black models that date white men. I can't recall all their names right now. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of black models are dating white men. How many white or Latina models do you see dating black men? I feel like other men have access to the top 10% of our women, but we don't have access to the top 10% of theirs.

Honestly, even in L.A. it was a rare day that I saw a black man with a woman of ANY race(including black) that was over a 7. Now if you're famous like Eddie Murphy with the blonde in the pic above, then you can bend the rules. But you don't see brothas that aren't famous with chics anywhere near that quality.

(07-25-2014 02:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote:I think this is only the case when comes to dating their own race. People in general prefer to date within their races, I doubt whites and latinos are pulling hotter black girls than the average black guy.

Generally yes. I seen cases where it is not. There is a white guy in his 50 s or 60s that has a 10 piece black wife that might be early 30's that goes to my church. I have 3 hispanic friends that are fat and average that have pulled hotter black women than your average brother can.

The only thing is that if they tried they can. If we try to pull outside our race, it's harder. Like Azul said though, you can do better in other coastal locations, but can any of those chicks translate to a LTR? In the South mandingos are always in demand. Can you date them though? Can you LTR? What about marriage even? We all know about the Tyrones that get lucky sometimes because these women know he is not a keeper, just a dude that will do as he is told and go away after they have finished cuckolding him. It's not much different from the butterfaced nigger loving wigger women. They won't touch a good black man.

Yeah, there are also a ton of black models that date white men. I can't recall all their names right now. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of black models are dating white men. How many white or Latina models do you see dating black men? I feel like other men have access to the top 10% of our women, but we don't have access to the top 10% of theirs.

Honestly, even in L.A. it was a rare day that I saw a black man with a woman of ANY race(including black) that was over a 7. Now if you're famous like Eddie Murphy with the blonde in the pic above, then you can bend the rules. But you don't see brothas that aren't famous with chics anywhere near that quality.

This is totally disconnected from the reality I lived through growing up. In western Europe it's totally normal to see a black/multiracial man of means to date 7+ at least.

Well, I'll strike the US for long term job prospects off my list.

Actually I read an article in REASON magazine about 20 years ago. The writer got into a cab with a driver who was born in Africa. The man was going to "go back home" to find his wife. He had no interest in American women or their lousy attitudes.

(07-25-2014 02:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote:I think this is only the case when comes to dating their own race. People in general prefer to date within their races, I doubt whites and latinos are pulling hotter black girls than the average black guy.

Generally yes. I seen cases where it is not. There is a white guy in his 50 s or 60s that has a 10 piece black wife that might be early 30's that goes to my church. I have 3 hispanic friends that are fat and average that have pulled hotter black women than your average brother can.

The only thing is that if they tried they can. If we try to pull outside our race, it's harder. Like Azul said though, you can do better in other coastal locations, but can any of those chicks translate to a LTR? In the South mandingos are always in demand. Can you date them though? Can you LTR? What about marriage even? We all know about the Tyrones that get lucky sometimes because these women know he is not a keeper, just a dude that will do as he is told and go away after they have finished cuckolding him. It's not much different from the butterfaced nigger loving wigger women. They won't touch a good black man.

Yeah, there are also a ton of black models that date white men. I can't recall all their names right now. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of black models are dating white men. How many white or Latina models do you see dating black men? I feel like other men have access to the top 10% of our women, but we don't have access to the top 10% of theirs.

Honestly, even in L.A. it was a rare day that I saw a black man with a woman of ANY race(including black) that was over a 7. Now if you're famous like Eddie Murphy with the blonde in the pic above, then you can bend the rules. But you don't see brothas that aren't famous with chics anywhere near that quality.

Admittedly tho Speak u have made it known that you have no patience for the hollywood scene (where many of the LA 7s and above are concentrated) and I dont think u spend much time in Baldwin Hills, Long Beach etc and the black LA scene so it makes sense that you wouldnt be seeing those kind of couples with any regularity.

Sometimes I feel like we lived in different cities. Check out a poppin hollywood club on a saturday,... any saturday or 3rds st promenade on a Sunday...any sunday and tell me u wont see any brothas with a 7 or above.

America is not pussy paradise for most brothas but its not pussy paradise for most white dudes either and nowhere near as hard as it would be for a Indian dude for example. Important to keep it all in perspective.

(07-25-2014 03:11 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Actually I read an article in REASON magazine about 20 years ago. The writer got into a cab with a driver who was born in Africa. The man was going to "go back home" to find his wife. He had no interest in American women or their lousy attitudes.

That's funny. I had just landed from one of my China trips back in town and got a cab driver to drive me to where my car was parked. Dude was from Nigeria, we talked about my trip and my engagement and stuff. Then he goes on a red pill rant about American women including how shitty Nigerian women that grew up in the US are. He said he was actually going back to Africa in 6 months to find a wife.

(07-25-2014 03:12 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote:I think this is only the case when comes to dating their own race. People in general prefer to date within their races, I doubt whites and latinos are pulling hotter black girls than the average black guy.

Generally yes. I seen cases where it is not. There is a white guy in his 50 s or 60s that has a 10 piece black wife that might be early 30's that goes to my church. I have 3 hispanic friends that are fat and average that have pulled hotter black women than your average brother can.

The only thing is that if they tried they can. If we try to pull outside our race, it's harder. Like Azul said though, you can do better in other coastal locations, but can any of those chicks translate to a LTR? In the South mandingos are always in demand. Can you date them though? Can you LTR? What about marriage even? We all know about the Tyrones that get lucky sometimes because these women know he is not a keeper, just a dude that will do as he is told and go away after they have finished cuckolding him. It's not much different from the butterfaced nigger loving wigger women. They won't touch a good black man.

Yeah, there are also a ton of black models that date white men. I can't recall all their names right now. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of black models are dating white men. How many white or Latina models do you see dating black men? I feel like other men have access to the top 10% of our women, but we don't have access to the top 10% of theirs.

Honestly, even in L.A. it was a rare day that I saw a black man with a woman of ANY race(including black) that was over a 7. Now if you're famous like Eddie Murphy with the blonde in the pic above, then you can bend the rules. But you don't see brothas that aren't famous with chics anywhere near that quality.

Admittedly tho Speak u have made it known that you have no patience for the hollywood scene (where many of the LA 7s and above are concentrated) and I dont think u spend much time in Baldwin Hills, Long Beach etc and the black LA scene so it makes sense that you wouldnt be seeing those kind of couples with any regularity.

Sometimes I feel like we lived in different cities. Check out a poppin hollywood club on a saturday,... any saturday or 3rds st promenade on a Sunday...any sunday and tell me u wont see any brothas with a 7 or above.

America is not pussy paradise for most brothas but its not pussy paradise for most white dudes either and nowhere near as hard as it would be for a Indian dude for example. Important to keep it all in perspective.

That's a fair statement. I do not know speak's background well enough to comment on that, but even my small victories with non blacks in the 7-10 range here feel too unique to just me. Your average black guy is not going to date a two 7's and one 9 Asian woman even once in the US. The amount of work I put in was very hard too.

But what about long term in CA? You say it's alot better there. Are any of these catches capable of longterm dating? Or are all these prospects just mere lays? McQueen has said many times that game is hard out there in LA. He said if you could game there, you could game anywhere else. Is any of that long term possible?

(07-25-2014 12:28 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 11:59 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  THIS!!!^^ Happened to me in China. No one called me a hei ren or the word for African. I was referred to as mei guo ren, which means American.

Kai you are making me jealous lol. I always wanted to go to China. I have noticed also that Asian females are the most receptive to Black men outside of Black women, and don't fall for that stupid 'thug' image either. I was in the Philippines last year and was getting IOIs everywhere. Even joined an international dating site last year and 75% of my messages were girls either from The Phillipines or China. Could've been in serious relationship s with both a Chinese girl and Korean girl (who were both American) but my game was programmed more toward white and black girls (I. E aggressive, ball busting, game playing etc) and messed up my chances with them.

Is your wife in the states now? Or are you still in China? I'll be 33 when my contract is up and thought about going there to do some "fishing". Are they receptive to that age bracket?

We in the states now. 33 is perfect for hunting in China. Chinese women crave men older than themselves. You can run game well in China even up till 70. This black dude that came to visit me, who is originally from Trinidad, just married a very nice looking 40 year old and he is 70 and retired. The 40 year old could pass for 37 and she is thin and in great shape. He ain't rich but he definately ain't broke either. In other words, good enough!

Stack your paper and get ready to travel soon as your stint is over. Go where ever you want. Just plan it out and get your passport ready.

(07-25-2014 02:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Yeah, there are also a ton of black models that date white men. I can't recall all their names right now. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of black models are dating white men. How many white or Latina models do you see dating black men? I feel like other men have access to the top 10% of our women, but we don't have access to the top 10% of theirs.

Honestly, even in L.A. it was a rare day that I saw a black man with a woman of ANY race(including black) that was over a 7. Now if you're famous like Eddie Murphy with the blonde in the pic above, then you can bend the rules. But you don't see brothas that aren't famous with chics anywhere near that quality.

Last night I saw a dark skinned black guy with a blonde 8 at a high end burger joint in Hollywood. The guy didn’t look thugged out but he didn’t look like a professional either. Just a normal guy wearing a baseball cap. Looks wise, he was probably a 7. I’ve seen a few black guys like this in LA, but I do see more black guys with ugly fat white women. There were only 3 black guys in my grad school, but none of them dated black women. One of them was a player who banged hot women of all races, and one them had a blonde 8 as a gf.

(07-25-2014 03:07 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  This is totally disconnected from the reality I lived through growing up. In western Europe it's totally normal to see a black/multiracial man of means to date 7+ at least.

I agree - in UK you see many black guys with hot white women. I never ever knew about the “black guy with fat white girl” stereotype until I moved to the US.

(07-25-2014 03:12 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  America is not pussy paradise for most brothas but its not pussy paradise for most white dudes either and nowhere near as hard as it would be for a Indian dude for example. Important to keep it all in perspective.

Indian guys can kill it too, if they don’t come across as Indian!

(07-25-2014 03:41 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Stack your paper and get ready to travel soon as your stint is over. Go where ever you want. Just plan it out and get your passport ready.

Yeah that's the plan. Paying dirt cheap rent now in Alexandria, VA, so I'm pocketing mad housing allowance now. Saving and paying off a bunch of debt that should be gone in a few years. Believe it or not Alexandria is an ideal place (to US standards) to bring a foreign wife. There is a large international population here and many have families that work and mind their business. After being pumped and dumped by US women for too long I've just come to the conclusion to take them as they are, practice pussy.

I wouldn't mind the African women but due to colonialism, they are almost invisible to Black Men. They show contempt for us even greater than their US counterparts and hunt white men almost exclusively.

(07-25-2014 04:08 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:41 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Stack your paper and get ready to travel soon as your stint is over. Go where ever you want. Just plan it out and get your passport ready.

Yeah that's the plan. Paying dirt cheap rent now in Alexandria, VA, so I'm pocketing mad housing allowance now. Saving and paying off a bunch of debt that should be gone in a few years. Believe it or not Alexandria is an ideal place (to US standards) to bring a foreign wife. There is a large international population here and many have families that work and mind their business. After being pumped and dumped by US women for too long I've just come to the conclusion to take them as they are, practice pussy.

I wouldn't mind the African women but due to colonialism, they are almost invisible to Black Men. They show contempt for us even greater than their US counterparts and hunt white men almost exclusively.

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. Chase what you like, see what is out there. Even your average Kenyan woman is dare I say, sweeter than any Chinese woman. In my opinion at least. Just saying.

How are the black Muslim women? Not those from Sudan etc, but the local homegrown ones. Hijab or not, are they more lady like? Don't have the obnoxious attitudes of the other population.

They can still be gamed just like others. Wondering if their "religious" upbringing makes them pleasant to be around and perhaps be GF material or more. They don't seem hardcore like some others who won't expect her man to convert etc or are they?

.... they are almost invisible to Black Men. They show contempt for us even greater than their US counterparts and hunt white men almost exclusively.
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Nonsense....

(07-25-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:12 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote:I think this is only the case when comes to dating their own race. People in general prefer to date within their races, I doubt whites and latinos are pulling hotter black girls than the average black guy.

Generally yes. I seen cases where it is not. There is a white guy in his 50 s or 60s that has a 10 piece black wife that might be early 30's that goes to my church. I have 3 hispanic friends that are fat and average that have pulled hotter black women than your average brother can.

The only thing is that if they tried they can. If we try to pull outside our race, it's harder. Like Azul said though, you can do better in other coastal locations, but can any of those chicks translate to a LTR? In the South mandingos are always in demand. Can you date them though? Can you LTR? What about marriage even? We all know about the Tyrones that get lucky sometimes because these women know he is not a keeper, just a dude that will do as he is told and go away after they have finished cuckolding him. It's not much different from the butterfaced nigger loving wigger women. They won't touch a good black man.

Yeah, there are also a ton of black models that date white men. I can't recall all their names right now. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of black models are dating white men. How many white or Latina models do you see dating black men? I feel like other men have access to the top 10% of our women, but we don't have access to the top 10% of theirs.

Honestly, even in L.A. it was a rare day that I saw a black man with a woman of ANY race(including black) that was over a 7. Now if you're famous like Eddie Murphy with the blonde in the pic above, then you can bend the rules. But you don't see brothas that aren't famous with chics anywhere near that quality.

Admittedly tho Speak u have made it known that you have no patience for the hollywood scene (where many of the LA 7s and above are concentrated) and I dont think u spend much time in Baldwin Hills, Long Beach etc and the black LA scene so it makes sense that you wouldnt be seeing those kind of couples with any regularity.

Sometimes I feel like we lived in different cities. Check out a poppin hollywood club on a saturday,... any saturday or 3rds st promenade on a Sunday...any sunday and tell me u wont see any brothas with a 7 or above.

America is not pussy paradise for most brothas but its not pussy paradise for most white dudes either and nowhere near as hard as it would be for a Indian dude for example. Important to keep it all in perspective.

That's a fair statement. I do not know speak's background well enough to comment on that, but even my small victories with non blacks in the 7-10 range here feel too unique to just me. Your average black guy is not going to date a two 7's and one 9 Asian woman even once in the US. The amount of work I put in was very hard too.

But what about long term in CA? You say it's alot better there. Are any of these catches capable of longterm dating? Or are all these prospects just mere lays? McQueen has said many times that game is hard out there in LA. He said if you could game there, you could game anywhere else. Is any of that long term possible?

Me and Speak hangout so we talk about this stuff a lot. The hollywood scene is not easy for a brotha or anybody else to get a 9. But u get what u put into it, if u cant get an 8 or 9 in LA its not your race thats holding you back, could be your looks, swagger, connections, game or something else thats lacking.

@kai,

u said the average brotha isnt gonna date two 7's and one asian 9 in the states? Dude, ive never even seen an Asian 9 in the states and I live in Socal. The average brotha isnt attracted to Asians and the average asian chick isnt into brothas in the states so that goes both ways. But for the record I do have a homie from New Jersey that moved to LA and just married a Asian chick. This is his second marriage but dude is so yellow I wouldnt even call him black. He looks like the producer swizz beatz.

.... Your average black guy is not going to date a two 7's and one 9 Asian woman even once in the US.
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Would you stop talking unsubstantiated and irrelevant nonsense ??

just because you may have weak game and are located in an non diverse area where the women are sub par doesnt mean all of us are trapped in the same place with the same experience.

(07-25-2014 11:06 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  LMAO! Houston is hell on earth?! You would think that until you see the women. Then you might be tempted to try your hand anyway.

Yeah, I stayed around the Rice Village/Montrose/Hermann Park (museum district) area for a minute and had a ball. H-town is nothing to sneeze at.

(07-25-2014 10:55 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 10:40 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 07:28 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  I feel for black guys in the US. It seems like theyre caught in a real conundrum. On the one hand, their first choice is black women, many of whom have impossible attitudes, are obese, and just plain unpleasant to deal with. On the other hand, should they choose not to pursue black women, they have to clown around to a small niche of white girls who like/prefer black guys, not to mention wade through a shit-ton of dumbass OKC bitches with "I'm not racist but no blacks please" plastered on their profiles. How do you guys deal with this everyday shit? Perhaps I'm making it out to be worse than it really is?

It's every bit as bad as you portray. Maybe the top 10% of black guys will have the looks, social freedom and money to do well regardless.

How do we deal? You just have to suck it up. It does wear down on you seeing white or Latin guys with zero game getting way cuter girls than I ever could. But the first rule of life is that life isn't fair. It is what it is. I will probably be stuck in the USA for at least another year or year and a half. Hopefully after I can start getting back out in the world.

@Traveler Kai

How did your Chinese wife's family react to her marrying a black guy?

We didn't get married without their approval. We would have done it anyway if they didn't. They love me to bits. Her dad took me around his town and showed me off to everyone. His daughter getting an American fiancee gives him alot of face among his peers. Her dad loved that my age was perfect too. Chinese think a 27-30 year old man marrying a 22-25 year old girl is perfection. I love their food and alcohol and drink with him alot. He is always trying to beat me in drinking. The wives end up agitated with us, but that is their problem, not ours.

My knowledge of Chinese language and culture is something they praise me for all the time. The rest of the family either loves me alot or just likes me alot. A couple are jealous, like one non-blood related aunt and step grandmother, but that is another story. They really don't count though. Her grandfather thinks I am cool. He is 80 but can drink with me better than the others. He was the only one that thought I was a native american. I am mixed with that, but not even half, so that was kinda funny.

They were excited before I got to their house and after. We all get along very very well. The complete 180 of my ex-inlaws for sure. Never in a million years I would have ever thought I could have fun and travel around with in-laws and actually enjoy it.

Also that part about white guys and latin guys getting better chicks than we ever could, is the truth. I wish I could drop my stats and accomplishments without getting caught, just to help paint the picture of how fucked up the game is here in the US for brothers. Maybe ATL, NYC, or even places like Louisiana can be clever exploits for some of us, but it is what it is. I tell you what though. If you can game in the US, game abroad is like shooting fish in a barrel. Taking that same work ethic to preparation, it reaps success outside. 1 month in China was better than 1 year in the US for me. Preparing was key though. Going in blind will just waste time.

Things aren't that bad for cats that stay thorough and make themselves stand out.

A lot of the players on this board are in that boat already or on the path.

The tough part is we just have to be the best of best w/o succombing to "John Henryism"...not a pity party, we just deal with it as speakeasy mentioned.

This all reminds me of something Chis Rock (ha, who I look nothing like) said a few years back:

skip to @ 3:05

^^^ Never heard the term John Henryism. Interesting. Might want to name it Barack Obamism now, that dude's hair went from black to grey within 2 years!

(07-25-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  But what about long term in CA? You say it's alot better there. Are any of these catches capable of longterm dating? Or are all these prospects just mere lays? McQueen has said many times that game is hard out there in LA. He said if you could game there, you could game anywhere else. Is any of that long term possible?

L.A. is difficult, but not because of race per se, but more because of awful logistics and very high competition level. Everything is super spread out in L.A. You meet a girl at a club in Hollywood, there's a good chance she lives in on the other side of town. I remember when Neil Skywalker was in L.A. I was kicking it with him and he got some cute brunettes number that lived in Orange County. I didn't want to crush his moment and tell him there's about a 99% chance that chic is going to flake given how far she lives. And that's what ended up happening.

And the competition is probably higher in L.A. amongst men than any place in America except for Miami Beach. You could argue that it may very well be in the top 3 cities in the world for competition level. Lots of good looking and fit guys, lots of dudes making a lot of money with connections and a VIP lifestyle, driving luxury sports cars and shit. On top of all that, L.A. is basically the epicenter of game in America. More so than DC. So quite a few dudes know about game.

Plus women are notoriously flakey in L.A. As in you could meet a girl, talk and dance for an hour, make out, get the digits and never hear back from her again. Shit like that happens all the fucking time.

Not trying to discourage you from trying it. Definitely check it out if you're curious. Just realize ahead of time it's a difficult place if you don't some kind of a fishbowl, some connections, some good logistics. If a man has location independent income and could be anywhere in the world, I'd say skip L.A. altogether there's way better places abroad. Even NYC sounds more promising than L.A. does according to reports. Ratios are also pretty close to even in NYC. Ratios in California are pretty bad too. The numbers have been posted in other threads if you search.

(07-25-2014 04:29 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:12 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Generally yes. I seen cases where it is not. There is a white guy in his 50 s or 60s that has a 10 piece black wife that might be early 30's that goes to my church. I have 3 hispanic friends that are fat and average that have pulled hotter black women than your average brother can.

The only thing is that if they tried they can. If we try to pull outside our race, it's harder. Like Azul said though, you can do better in other coastal locations, but can any of those chicks translate to a LTR? In the South mandingos are always in demand. Can you date them though? Can you LTR? What about marriage even? We all know about the Tyrones that get lucky sometimes because these women know he is not a keeper, just a dude that will do as he is told and go away after they have finished cuckolding him. It's not much different from the butterfaced nigger loving wigger women. They won't touch a good black man.

Yeah, there are also a ton of black models that date white men. I can't recall all their names right now. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of black models are dating white men. How many white or Latina models do you see dating black men? I feel like other men have access to the top 10% of our women, but we don't have access to the top 10% of theirs.

Honestly, even in L.A. it was a rare day that I saw a black man with a woman of ANY race(including black) that was over a 7. Now if you're famous like Eddie Murphy with the blonde in the pic above, then you can bend the rules. But you don't see brothas that aren't famous with chics anywhere near that quality.

Admittedly tho Speak u have made it known that you have no patience for the hollywood scene (where many of the LA 7s and above are concentrated) and I dont think u spend much time in Baldwin Hills, Long Beach etc and the black LA scene so it makes sense that you wouldnt be seeing those kind of couples with any regularity.

Sometimes I feel like we lived in different cities. Check out a poppin hollywood club on a saturday,... any saturday or 3rds st promenade on a Sunday...any sunday and tell me u wont see any brothas with a 7 or above.

America is not pussy paradise for most brothas but its not pussy paradise for most white dudes either and nowhere near as hard as it would be for a Indian dude for example. Important to keep it all in perspective.

That's a fair statement. I do not know speak's background well enough to comment on that, but even my small victories with non blacks in the 7-10 range here feel too unique to just me. Your average black guy is not going to date a two 7's and one 9 Asian woman even once in the US. The amount of work I put in was very hard too.

But what about long term in CA? You say it's alot better there. Are any of these catches capable of longterm dating? Or are all these prospects just mere lays? McQueen has said many times that game is hard out there in LA. He said if you could game there, you could game anywhere else. Is any of that long term possible?

Me and Speak hangout so we talk about this stuff a lot. The hollywood scene is not easy for a brotha or anybody else to get a 9. But u get what u put into it, if u cant get an 8 or 9 in LA its not your race thats holding you back, could be your looks, swagger, connections, game or something else thats lacking.

@kai,

u said the average brotha isnt gonna date two 7's and one asian 9 in the states? Dude, ive never even seen an Asian 9 in the states and I live in Socal. The average brotha isnt attracted to Asians and the average asian chick isnt into brothas in the states so that goes both ways. But for the record I do have a homie from New Jersey that moved to LA and just married a Asian chick. This is his second marriage but dude is so yellow I wouldnt even call him black. He looks like the producer swizz beatz.

You never seen an Asian 9 or a 10 before? I dunno what to tell you man. Are you one of those kind of guys that says Scarlett Johansen is a 9 because there is no such thing is a 10? I have been to LA 2 times so I do not know what you guys have over there or not enough to know.

I do not understand what is so offensive about what I said. Your average black man. YOUR AVERAGE black man. Do you know what average means? Not the one going to college and graduating with a 3.8 GPA in finance and drives a new 7 series at 28 years old. Not you and all the black men you probably hang with if you guys are good at killing it out there in Cali. Most black men in this country do not live in California. Most do not even live in Texas for that matter. We all spread out. We cannot all date fly honeys. I'm not putting down on any blacks in here or outside of RVF. I'm making an honest assessment here. Most guys get 4-6 women and are usually content with that more or less. That is just an honest life assessment. Asians are not that commonplace all over the states in all areas in the first place. So the access already is low. Most stick with their own kind like others have said in this thread. So that makes the availability even lower. So with that said, how likely is your average black man going to be able to date Asian women in the 7-9 range in the United States? If you think it is likely you need to flesh out more details as to why you think that way. This is not about whether or not Black guys are attracted to Asian women or not. I'm talking about availability and access.

(07-25-2014 04:31 PM)kdolo Wrote:  .... Your average black guy is not going to date a two 7's and one 9 Asian woman even once in the US.

Would you stop talking unsubstantiated and irrelevant nonsense ??

just because you may have weak game and are located in an non diverse area where the women are sub par doesnt mean all of us are trapped in the same place with the same experience.
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I do not see why you need to resort to insults and personal attacks just to discuss and debate something. See my response to the poster that actually posed a legitimate response above.

If you feel something is wrong with what I wrote, explain why.

@TK

Yep white girls many times start spoiling realfast inside and out starting on their 24th birthday we have this figured out.

Most white chicks also do
go for goofy cutesy shit over sexually smooth and direct. White girls here appreciate dgaf make fun of them attitude over heavy eye contact and smooth moves in the beginning. They respect a bit of clown vibe more than other girls as Roosh points out.

Only banged 3 black chicks all were more direct with them letting me know they like me.

Whites can give off zero signals on a date then you make a move and they can either go 100% to sex or be cold. Harder to know where you stand until dick in pussy. White girls are colder and more awkward as are white people in general.

If you are a black 7+ I have seen too much evidence in Boulder, CO and SoCal to see they have it tough. I have seen white college girls 7.5+ hotties drooling for that dick and draping over brothers like they won a prize.

I would kill for some of the admiration and action I have seen them get. I agree this is probably a young girl sport fuck phase, I wouldn't expect these girls to marry a black guy often but to cash in on that sport fucking phase when white girls are at their peak is glorious. White girls are rarely good when older anyways so some black dudes get the cream of the white girl crop.

(07-25-2014 04:24 PM)tomtud Wrote:  How are the black Muslim women? Not those from Sudan etc, but the local homegrown ones. Hijab or not, are they more lady like? Don't have the obnoxious attitudes of the other population.

They can still be gamed just like others. Wondering if their "religious" upbringing makes them pleasant to be around and perhaps be GF material or more. They don't seem hardcore like some others who won't expect her man to convert etc or are they?

I have no idea on that. So many are Christian or other stuff why bother. Is there a specific country you are looking at?

(07-25-2014 05:03 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  ^^^ Never heard the term John Henryism. Interesting. Might want to name it Barack Obamism now, that dude's hair went from black to grey within 2 years!

(07-25-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  But what about long term in CA? You say it's alot better there. Are any of these catches capable of longterm dating? Or are all these prospects just mere lays? McQueen has said many times that game is hard out there in LA. He said if you could game there, you could game anywhere else. Is any of that long term possible?

L.A. is difficult, but not because of race per se, but more because of awful logistics and very high competition level. Everything is super spread out in L.A. You meet a girl at a club in Hollywood, there's a good chance she lives in on the other side of town. I remember when Neil Skywalker was in L.A. I was kicking it with him and he got some cute brunettes number that lived in Orange County. I didn't want to crush his moment and tell him there's about a 99% chance that chic is going to flake given how far she lives. And that's what ended up happening.

And the competition is probably higher in L.A. amongst men than any place in America except for Miami Beach. You could argue that it may very well be in the top 3 cities in the world for competition level. Lots of good looking and fit guys, lots of dudes making a lot of money with connections and a VIP lifestyle, driving luxury sports cars and shit. On top of all that, L.A. is basically the epicenter of game in America. More so than DC. So quite a few dudes know about game.

Plus women are notoriously flakey in L.A. As in you could meet a girl, talk and dance for an hour, make out, get the digits and never hear back from her again. Shit like that happens all the fucking time.

Not trying to discourage you from trying it. Definitely check it out if you're curious. Just realize ahead of time it's a difficult place if you don't some kind of a fishbowl, some connections, some good logistics. If a man has location independent income and could be anywhere in the world, I'd say skip L.A. altogether there's way better places abroad. Even NYC sounds more promising than L.A. does according to reports. Ratios are also pretty close to even in NYC. Ratios in California are pretty bad too. The numbers have been posted in other threads if you search.

Interesting.

Houston is very spread out as well. It really can hurt your logistics sometimes. But most will make that drive for ass if the woman won't flake. I won't work near Galveston but I would drive there for a broad if she was worth it.

I am still not buying that argument that the hottest black chicks are not dating black guys. Just look at the music industry and you will see who are those females dating. Keri Hilson is a good example. And I truly believe that the average sister is more into brothers than any other race.

(07-25-2014 04:28 PM)kdolo Wrote:  .... they are almost invisible to Black Men. They show contempt for us even greater than their US counterparts and hunt white men almost exclusively.

Nonsense....
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Please tell me of a time you have seen African women with black men? The ones, from my personal experience, only date white men or other African men (with the exception of Ethiopia ns). This from when I lived in the DC area, where there are a lot of them.

Was out earlier tonight to this gastropub. Place was like 95% white. The only black dudes in there(which numbered about 3) were with white women. All of them 3s and 4s.

Was at this outdoor concert thing going on yesterday. Saw 3 brothas there with white women too. All of them 5 or below.

I think I've only seen one black dude with a girl in the last half year that made me say "damn, brotha came up on that".

There's this red head white girl I know out here, late 30, she has two half black kids. We're just cool through some mutual friends, never messed with her anything. She's decent looking, especially for her age. We went to a club one night and black dudes were giving me props just for being with her and she's maybe a 6 tops. Just fucking ridiculous and pathetic.