Post: #26

(10-10-2012 11:22 AM)soup Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 11:02 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 10:48 AM)soup Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 10:45 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 10:42 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Hmmmm. If I get them home it's a done deal.

But then I don't spend time gaming them at home, instead generally going caveman once through the door as it's ingrained in my brain that there is only one reason for them to come to my house. Same with hotel rooms.

Same here..I don't even sweat it once in my place..

I think soup is pulling hipster girls to his pad by telling them stuff who may not be DTF

Yes! There are a lot of hipster girls, but they are DTF like crazy, I'm just not tapping into the frequency at times. This is what happened last night. I'm pulling these bitches off OKcupid. She even showed up to meet me and had already put away a lot of whiskey.

But, they just don't "fall" for a lot of the tactics that I read about online. I go caveman and they are out.

I can only think your timing may be off or maybe something else like talking too fast creating a vibe of some sorts that I would have to see in person to be able to help. Can you think or isolate what you do when shit seems to fall apart?

I get them back here, show them my paintings, put on music, maybe have a drink. We sit on my couch. Talk for five minutes. And I go in for a kiss, she responds well.

I think the crucial thing is that I'm not pulling away before they do. For some reason, they've been really quick lately. Usually, I can tell if they are about to pull out of the kiss. Now, there are no indicators- they just pull away out of the blue.

That's the beginning of the end usually.

Make a bar at your place!!!!Trust me! Play with your laptop with them and mix drinks. Space your interaction out over more time rather than going for couch makeouts. There's too much focus on what's going to happen next and they are pulling back.

Post: #27

(10-10-2012 10:03 AM)soup Wrote:  Well, I get pissed off when I've a chick comes back to my house, I miss something in my game, and she exists. Now it's like 1:30am, and it's too late to meet up with any other new girls.

List the last five times a lizard came to your house and you ended up not getting the bang. Please be detailed.

Post: #28

Aside from the one I just described, there were some others over the last few weeks.

1. Met girl for happy hour drink, get her back to my place. I sit down on the couch, motion for her to do the same and she says "I gotta go."

2. Meet girl for tea, we go to the pier, come back here. Crack open two beers. I show her my paintings, and how I make them, we make a painting together. No make-out, and she's not giving me any green lights. I ask to see what she looks like with her hair down, and she doesn't comply, I kick her out.

3. Meet a girl in the middle of the day for tea. We go to the pier. I tell her I have left over drinks from a party and invite her back for a beer. We're on the couch talking, I make out with her, and then she gets up and says she's got to go to work.

4. Met a girl at closing time on a Saturday night. It takes all of three minutes of convo and we're in a cab headed back to my place for those "left over" drinks. Get back to my place. Drinking, hanging, kissing a little. I go for the escalation and she's not having it. She gets her shit and leaves.

5. Meet a girl for a drink on a weeknight. She doesn't drink booze, but agrees to come back to my place to see my art work. We make-out. She gives me a message. Every time I reach for her pussy she pulls back. Eventually, it's too much for her and she bounces.

6. Go for a date with a chick last week. We're at the bar drinking and I bounce her back to my place where we drink a few beers and are making out. I'm fingering her and she clearly wants to fuck me. LMR, she's like "let's go out and get another drink." It's either that or she's out. We go to the bar, order a beer. I go to the bathroom. When I come out, she goes to the bathroom, the bartender asks me if I'm paying for the drinks. I pay. We sit there and drink our beers. I get her back to my house, but the chemistry is gone. I think I went caveman and she took off.

Post: #29

Two things.

Do you live in a shithole?

Make them a mixed drink. Most broads prefer that over beer.

Post: #30

Maybe you're not a romantic pussy wetting type kisser?

Post: #31

(10-10-2012 11:55 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Two things.

Do you live in a shithole?

Make them a mixed drink. Most broads prefer that over beer.

A lot of girls around here prefer whisky or beer. I do feel it out to see if they'd prefer a mix drink.

Actually, I get compliments on my kissing. Girl last night said it was one of the "tricks" that I was using on her.

Post: #32

(10-10-2012 12:00 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Maybe you're not a romantic pussy wetting type kisser?

I was thinking this too.

Women have said they love how I kiss and I can tell it gets them going.

I use it when not going caveman.

Caveman when it's absolutely in the bag (BJ in cab, etc)

Slow, exploring working up to passionate kisses when she needs to be convinced. Always pull back before she does and tease her with it. Not verbally but with your actions. If she tries to stick her tongue down your throat pull back a bit for instance.

No homo.

Post: #33

(10-10-2012 12:08 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 12:00 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Maybe you're not a romantic pussy wetting type kisser?

I was thinking this too.

Women have said they love how I kiss and I can tell it gets them going.

I use it when not going caveman.

Caveman when it's absolutely in the bag (BJ in cab, etc)

Slow, exploring working up to passionate kisses when she needs to be convinced. Always pull back before she does and tease her with it. Not verbally but with your actions. If she tries to stick her tongue down your throat pull back a bit for instance.

No homo.

Did you read my reply? I also wrote earlier that it's become harder to tell when she's about to pull away.

Post: #34

(10-10-2012 12:11 PM)soup Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 12:08 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 12:00 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Maybe you're not a romantic pussy wetting type kisser?

I was thinking this too.

Women have said they love how I kiss and I can tell it gets them going.

I use it when not going caveman.

Caveman when it's absolutely in the bag (BJ in cab, etc)

Slow, exploring working up to passionate kisses when she needs to be convinced. Always pull back before she does and tease her with it. Not verbally but with your actions. If she tries to stick her tongue down your throat pull back a bit for instance.

No homo.

Did you read my reply? I also wrote earlier that it's become harder to tell when she's about to pull away.

I type slow.

Post: #35

I say stop going caveman. As far as NYC goes, caveman is useful for those times when you've just met a girl and she's super hot for you. But when you meet a girl and the interest is lukewarm, caveman will backfire. You need to get her horny once back at your place. If you go caveman on a woman before she's horny, she'll get turned off, call you a creep, and leave.

Caveman might work for some guys. But I don't think it works for most guys.

I say you should get her more into snuggling with you before you bang. I always do this with a TV show being played on my computer via Netflix or a movie. I let her lean against me while we watch the show, and I let her feel comfortable. Once the show's been playing anywhere from 15-30 minutes we shoud be pretty much intertwined. I then turn her head away from the TV and towards me; I began to kiss and make out with her.

I then follow these rules for escalation:

1. Escalate slowly, let her get comfortable with you progressively and remember it's hard to go "too slow"
2. Never go directly for the erogenous zones
3. Don't take her clothes off completely, just expose her tits and pussy
4. Pull your cock out when she's not expecting it
5. Take clothes off after she's been stroking/sucking your cock
6. Get her pussy aroused but don't bring her to climax until you're both completely nude
7. If she's not taking off her pants, have some coconut oil in your room to give her a massage with the intent of working down her back and her buttocks, and take her pants off in the process

Post: #36

How do you expose her tits and pussy without taking her clothes off?

Post: #37

soup, do you know how to do the one hand bra pop? That's one of my main weapons. If a lizard suddenly finds her tits loose, she may not want to tuck them back in and then you can play with them and continue to escalate.
Don't be scared to let her feel your savaloy.
But don't sweat it.

I've had quite a number of lizards in my room that I failed to close. One important rule is, never be scared to keep going for the punny.

I put my hand in one's pants and she yelled "What the fcuk do you think you are doing?!!" and sat up glaring at me in a very cross fashion (we were lying down watching British films).

I apologised (cos she was one of those confrontational lizards) and we chilled. Later on, she apologised for her outburst and we fcuked (for the first time).

Post: #38

(10-10-2012 12:30 PM)soup Wrote:  How do you expose her tits and pussy without taking her clothes off?

For shirts: Pull up her shirt, pull down her bra
For blouses: Pull it down, with the bra
For dresses: Pull down the shoulder straps, pull the boobs out of the bra


For skirts/dresses: Lift it up, pull the panties to the side
For pants: These are always a problem, you need to unzip the zipper so you can put your hand down it comfortably. Alternatively I also put my hand down her pants even if she won't let me unzip. If all else fails I go with the coconut oil massage. For the massage, you need to get her shirt off first though, and then have her lie on her stomach. Work your way across her back and down to her pants. Get her really comfortable and then say, "Pull these down a bit" and have her unbutton her pants and slide her pants down so her buttocks are revealed.

Post: #39

(10-10-2012 12:36 PM)Moma Wrote:  soup, do you know how to do the one hand bra pop? That's one of my main weapons. If a lizard suddenly finds her tits loose, she may not want to tuck them back in and then you can play with them and continue to escalate.
Don't be scared to let her feel your savaloy.
But don't sweat it.

I've had quite a number of lizards in my room that I failed to close. One important rule is, never be scared to keep going for the punny.

I put my hand in one's pants and she yelled "What the fcuk do you think you are doing?!!" and sat up glaring at me in a very cross fashion (we were lying down watching British films).

I apologised (cos she was one of those confrontational lizards) and we chilled. Later on, she apologised for her outburst and we fcuked (for the first time).

Yeah, I've got the bra pop down. My problem is the opposite of being scared of going for the punani- I'm on it like a fly on shit.

Post: #40

you just gotta chalk it up to the game. Some you win and some you lose. Once you realise that losing and winning is all part of the same process, you will be fine.

Some cats never get rejected. Why? Cos they never go for the punani. And those cats are jealous of cats like you and me cos we get rejected and we also smash.

It's that simple.

Post: #41

(10-10-2012 01:28 PM)Moma Wrote:  you just gotta chalk it up to the game. Some you win and some you lose. Once you realise that losing and winning is all part of the same process, you will be fine.

Some cats never get rejected. Why? Cos they never go for the punani. And those cats are jealous of cats like you and me cos we get rejected and we also smash.

It's that simple.

True.

Still stings to waste a night with some chick that I can't get to put out, knowing that there could have been a better possibility for the evening.

Post: #42

(10-10-2012 01:35 PM)soup Wrote:  True.

Still stings to waste a night with some chick that I can't get to put out, knowing that there could have been a better possibility for the evening.

When it stops stinging, that's when you know you are in trouble. Enjoy the stings. It stopped stinging where I was at so I got the fcuk out. I didn't care if I banged or not. I became listless and I knew I was practically a zombie hence I moved out and went to zombieland .

Post: #43

(10-10-2012 01:43 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 01:35 PM)soup Wrote:  True.

Still stings to waste a night with some chick that I can't get to put out, knowing that there could have been a better possibility for the evening.

When it stops stinging, that's when you know you are in trouble. Enjoy the stings. It stopped stinging where I was at so I got the fcuk out. I didn't care if I banged or not. I became listless and I knew I was practically a zombie hence I moved out and went to zombieland .

I can see this. If the sting isn't there, then you probably aren't challenging yourself or selling yourself short.

Post: #44

(10-10-2012 09:54 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  First off getting rejected shouldn't bother you at all.

Rejection has never bothered me. I have learned from every rejection.

I saw Lothario get rejected this weekend and it had no effect on him. In fact, within a few minutes he was already approaching other girls.

Whenever one of us got rejected, we would just sort of laugh about it and state what we did wrong. I got rejected once and we just looked at each other and said..."scared the cat"! Then we quickly moved on to the next approach. Rejection is your friend. Rejection teaches you what you are doing wrong.

Oh, you guys are talking about getting a girl home and then getting rejected?!?!

Well, that is a little different, but still, you shouldn't view it as failure, you should view it as a learning lesson.

What are you doing wrong? Bring home girls who aren't dtf? Not escalating smoothly? Having an unattractive apartment?

I wonder what it is???

When I get a girl home and she doesn't bang, I always wonder what I could have done differently.

Post: #45

I had a wack apartment. Sparsely furnished..lizards wondered if I was on the run.
A futon, a balcony table in the apt with no balcony, two basic chairs, a basic CRT telly that I kept on the floor and some plastic containers full of books, folders and miscellaneous shyt.

I KNOW that cost me bangs..only the ones who really didn't give a fcuk got spread open.
I know one cat that used to sleep in the living room on a mattress (shared accomodation with siblings) but still was able to convert lizards for smashing.

Maybe soup's pad isn't that well decked out? Make it fairly pimpalicious and your tale may change..

What I do know is that if a lizard comes to your place, she is prepared to fcuk. She has cleaned her snatch, douched her ass and all those other cosmetic movements.
Does it mean that she is GUARANTEED to fcuk? No. But I don't believe there is any other green light to try and escalate than a lizard entering your apt of her own free will...

Post: #46

"I saw Lothario get rejected this weekend and it had no effect on him. In fact, within a few minutes he was already approaching other girls. "

Was he using that Dunkin donuts line out there?

Post: #47

(10-10-2012 02:03 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  "I saw Lothario get rejected this weekend and it had no effect on him. In fact, within a few minutes he was already approaching other girls. "

Was he using that Dunkin donuts line out there?

I didn't hear any Dunkin Donuts line. He brought his A-game!

The dude was insta-dating, same day dating, and bring girls back to his apartment. He was a pleasure to watch.

RIP to Alex Karras!!!

Greek Legend!

Post: #48

(10-10-2012 02:09 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 02:03 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  "I saw Lothario get rejected this weekend and it had no effect on him. In fact, within a few minutes he was already approaching other girls. "

Was he using that Dunkin donuts line out there?

I didn't hear any Dunkin Donuts line. He brought his A-game!

The dude was insta-dating, same day dating, and bring girls back to his apartment. He was a pleasure to watch.

RIP to Alex Karras!!!

Greek Legend!

He's a machine! He needs to chime in here..
Did he give you an earful on me? One man thriller flashmob ?

Post: #49

I lived with bitchy but hot and closet freak chick ( as roommmates) . Didn't want to attack while we were roommates. She asked where I was moving to, I told her a run-down McMansion with roomies.

After I moved out, I waited a month ( I know too long) and texted her "Hi, it's IKE, want to come over the McMansion and have dinner sometime?

<no response>

Post: #50

(10-10-2012 12:54 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 12:30 PM)soup Wrote:  How do you expose her tits and pussy without taking her clothes off?

For shirts: Pull up her shirt, pull down her bra
For blouses: Pull it down, with the bra
For dresses: Pull down the shoulder straps, pull the boobs out of the bra


For skirts/dresses: Lift it up, pull the panties to the side
For pants: These are always a problem, you need to unzip the zipper so you can put your hand down it comfortably. Alternatively I also put my hand down her pants even if she won't let me unzip. If all else fails I go with the coconut oil massage. For the massage, you need to get her shirt off first though, and then have her lie on her stomach. Work your way across her back and down to her pants. Get her really comfortable and then say, "Pull these down a bit" and have her unbutton her pants and slide her pants down so her buttocks are revealed.

lol a tutorial on bedroom escalation.

Can you be anymore detail? sarcasm

Nice job Sam

Also keep in mind there will be a gentle no....we are not having sex....just tell her we are not having sex......and procede and move forward as Sam has directed until dick meets pussy... mission complete.....she will resisit slightly while enjoying it.......