Post: #26

(10-10-2012 01:36 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Absolutely ridiculous. I hope they give this guy the lethal injection as soon as possible. The sad thing is that many women have no problem marrying violently jealous, psychotic and murderer types, thus endangering anyone who ever talks to them.

I knew we'd figure out a way to blame the woman somehow.

Post: #27

I'm not saying she is personally responsible for it, of course, but a psycho with those character traits should forever end up in the sexual wasteland, always being too "creepy" for any woman to have contact with for longer than 10 seconds. Instead, he probably has more notches and adoration than 10 common betas together. Seeing this gap between female preferences on paper and in reality makes me really sad.

Post: #28

(10-10-2012 01:37 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 01:36 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Absolutely ridiculous. I hope they give this guy the lethal injection as soon as possible. The sad thing is that many women have no problem marrying violently jealous, psychotic and murderer types, thus endangering anyone who ever talks to them.

I knew we'd figure out a way to blame the woman somehow.

Yeah, I doubt if someone asked her "Do you want your monkey to murder a guy if he flirts with you?" she would have wanted that.

I'm assuming they caught him soon after, and there is some justice in that as far as I know he will never have sex even once with a woman again, until the day he dies. Unless he's related to someone rich, then he might get out in 15-20 years.

Post: #29

(10-10-2012 02:27 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I'm not saying she is personally responsible for it, of course, but a psycho with those character traits should forever end up in the sexual wasteland, always being too "creepy" for any woman to have contact with for longer than 10 seconds. Instead, he probably has more notches and adoration than 10 common betas together. Seeing this gap between female preferences on paper and in reality makes me really sad.

If reality makes you sad, you have three choices:
1) remain forever sad
2) change reality
3) adapt and adjust to reality.

I'm sure none of these are palatable choices. Let me know if you have any other alternatives.

A bulk of our primate and human evolution of emotions occurred when we lived in small groups. We would gossip a lot in order to agree on the group rules. Now that our groups are larger and our gossip is ineffectual to change the gestalt of opinion, we still act as if our voiced opinions are a form of social activism. Free Tibet!

But we can face it - we aren't going to change society. It's a deeply held emotional hope, but it's not a realistic hope.

Our opinions are not activism, and people will continue to act out of self interest, regardless of what we think they should do for the benefit of the group.

Influencing women through moral persuasion is a lost cause.

Persuasion requires an intimate knowledge of reality - what buttons actually work. And for women we have a wide range of options that work to mens benefits - but changing their sexual preferences is not one of those options. We can seduce them without being a thug, but we can't stop them getting attracted to thugs or going for the bad boys.

Holding ideals that the world can never meet up with is a form of self torture.

Post: #30

Going after married women is a dangerous game. The guy gambled and lost.

Much easier to not go after women wearing wedding rings and find one of the millions of available women.

Post: #31

(10-11-2012 06:14 PM)snoop Wrote:  Going after married women is a dangerous game. The guy gambled and lost.

Much easier to not go after women wearing wedding rings and find one of the millions of available women.

Better yet, they shouldn't allow women with wedding rings into bars.

Bouncer: "Go home to your husband."

Post: #32

(10-11-2012 07:28 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 06:14 PM)snoop Wrote:  Going after married women is a dangerous game. The guy gambled and lost.

Much easier to not go after women wearing wedding rings and find one of the millions of available women.

Better yet, they shouldn't allow women with wedding rings into bars.

Bouncer: "Go home to your husband."

That does have a nice ring of justice to it.

But I prefer the sloppy unregulated world of illicit sex that we live in.

Post: #33

The story really lacks an end, he DID get arrested and is in jail denied bail, right? (Unless he had a SEAL team to get him to Cuba) The only good part now is he sits in there...forever...

edit: Saw the article...apprehended soon after...he's 27 with no record.

Post: #34

There's nothing wrong with meeting women in bars.
This kind of shit could happen to anyone, anywhere for any random reason (i.e. road rage).
Shit happens.
Stop generalizing.

Post: #35

I don't see anything wrong really with his actions. I think if more guys acted this way we wouldn't have disrespectful AMOGing going on in clubs.

Post: #36

(10-11-2012 06:14 PM)snoop Wrote:  Going after married women is a dangerous game. The guy gambled and lost.

Much easier to not go after women wearing wedding rings and find one of the millions of available women.

I've yet to see a ring close a hole.

Hell, married broads are easier than single a lot of the time.

Post: #37

Do we even know if he was actually "flirting" with her anyway? He may have just been having a polite conversation, and not even trying to run game. Maybe she even initiated this conversation. That isn't to say that he should have gotten his throat slashed even if he WAS trying to holler at her, but at that point, it's on her to tell him she's there with her husband. We don't even know if she was wearing a ring - married women often don't.

Post: #38

(10-11-2012 09:33 PM)Wayout Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong really with his actions. I think if more guys acted this way we wouldn't have disrespectful AMOGing going on in clubs.

Wayout, that is retarded thinking.

They don't know if the victim flirted with the woman. Heaving read the article I doubt it. And it's irrelevant anyway.

The victim was out with a friend having drinks. He is a married father of three hanging out with a buddy. He walks to the bar to get a new round. The guy looks very friendly and harmless: probably a good beta husband.

It's not hard to imagine a decent, average fellow like himself just made friendly small talk to the woman while waiting to order. The asexual pleasantries that makes guys like us cringe.

The murderer was just fucked in the head. Types like that generally have troubled relationships with a lot of fights and such. Maybe they just had an argument of sorts and she wanted out. Now he sees this goody-two-shoes talking to her, and flips his shit.

There's not really a lesson in here. It's easy to be frightened by stories like this, drawn from a population of hundreds of millions, but that's bullshit. You can't predict or prevent causeless crazy like this. At the most, just avoid poor people.

Post: #39

(10-11-2012 09:33 PM)Wayout Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong really with his actions. I think if more guys acted this way we wouldn't have disrespectful AMOGing going on in clubs.

I think you're right, but I don't think that many other RVF guys will agree because they see themselves as potentially getting killed while trying to heist a girl from a "beta".

I use the quotes on that bc I think the killer demonstrated one version of being superalpha. He didn't accept the line of thinking that goes like "women are going to do what they are going to do and your only option is to game them hard and hope for the best", he viewed the woman as his property. He saw a threat to his property and he eliminated the threat. He didn't open up with a gun and potentially hurt anyone else, he didn't cause a scene and "challenge" the interloper, he just executed him. Clinical and ruthless. If we saw Quentin Tarentino shoot this scene, we'd probably be cheering for the killer and saying what a badass he was.

Post: #40

I disagree completely. I think Florida should have the neanderthal killer chopped & quartered ASAP. The only reason the victim was in that shithole was to watch the Chicago Bears play the next day (he flew in from Illinois).

(10-11-2012 09:33 PM)Wayout Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong really with his actions. I think if more guys acted this way we wouldn't have disrespectful AMOGing going on in clubs.

Post: #41

(10-14-2012 04:09 PM)cat_a_clysm Wrote:  I use the quotes on that bc I think the killer demonstrated one version of being superalpha. He didn't accept the line of thinking that goes like "women are going to do what they are going to do and your only option is to game them hard and hope for the best", he viewed the woman as his property. He saw a threat to his property and he eliminated the threat. He didn't open up with a gun and potentially hurt anyone else, he didn't cause a scene and "challenge" the interloper, he just executed him. Clinical and ruthless. If we saw Quentin Tarentino shoot this scene, we'd probably be cheering for the killer and saying what a badass he was.

Dumbass post of the day.

Post: #42

(10-11-2012 09:33 PM)Wayout Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong really with his actions. I think if more guys acted this way we wouldn't have disrespectful AMOGing going on in clubs.

You ability to judge social situations is very, very primitive.

You don't know what happened AT ALL, and you're asserting it justified MURDER.

You need to really try to study-- for a long time -- to get to an adult level of social understanding, even someone in Junior High should be able to see there is not nearly enough info here for your statement.

You need to restrain yourself, learn to reserve judgement, and try to keep your mouth shut until you know at least SOMETHING about people.

You are at a child level of wisdom: none.

Post: #43

the ring closing a hole line is awesome. I'm adding that one to my barside quotables.

(10-11-2012 11:37 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 06:14 PM)snoop Wrote:  Going after married women is a dangerous game. The guy gambled and lost.

Much easier to not go after women wearing wedding rings and find one of the millions of available women.

I've yet to see a ring close a hole.

Hell, married broads are easier than single a lot of the time.

Post: #44

This kind of thing is pretty fucked up because I've chatted with married women before and I'm sure they enjoy friendly conversation. Sometimes at a bar if the ratio is bad I'll just talk to couples to get warmed up. He probably never intended to fuck her and got killed for it anyway.

(10-14-2012 04:09 PM)cat_a_clysm Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 09:33 PM)Wayout Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong really with his actions. I think if more guys acted this way we wouldn't have disrespectful AMOGing going on in clubs.

I think you're right, but I don't think that many other RVF guys will agree because they see themselves as potentially getting killed while trying to heist a girl from a "beta".

I use the quotes on that bc I think the killer demonstrated one version of being superalpha. He didn't accept the line of thinking that goes like "women are going to do what they are going to do and your only option is to game them hard and hope for the best", he viewed the woman as his property. He saw a threat to his property and he eliminated the threat. He didn't open up with a gun and potentially hurt anyone else, he didn't cause a scene and "challenge" the interloper, he just executed him. Clinical and ruthless. If we saw Quentin Tarentino shoot this scene, we'd probably be cheering for the killer and saying what a badass he was.

While I don't really see your point of view I am inclined to agree that this is an example of being superalpha. In a world without laws this guy would both not have been punished and you can bet your ass that nobody would have dared mess with his wife again (supposing that is the case). This "protect the family unit" at all costs thing kind of reminds me of the Godfather when Michael Corleone killed that cop who was just eating dinner in a restaurant.

I would almost bet nobody in the place gave a good physical description of the guy. I'm not saying that this is right (it's insane) but it's a level of reality that most people simply do not live on. What I don't get is why this guy clearly didn't get a shit about getting caught, just killing the dude in a crowded restaurant. I would almost speculate that this dude has been leaving a trail of missing people and just went on a power trip.

Post: #45

As soon as I saw this thread post I immediately called Emech to see if he was alright.

Post: #46

(10-15-2012 11:28 AM)Hades Wrote:  This "protect the family unit" at all costs thing kind of reminds me of the Godfather when Michael Corleone killed that cop who was just eating dinner in a restaurant.

Michael killed that police chief because he was a crooked puppet of the rival gang who attempted to murder Don Corleone, and who assassinated one of the Corleone's hitmen. The cop wasn't exactly an innocent bystander flirting with a random bar girl.

Post: #47

Something had to have triggered the perpetrator. Maybe the wife constantly flirted, or cheated, the other guy may have been shamelessly trying to AMOG, the perp could have been on drugs, or just plain bat shit crazy. But with no priors, again, something made him snap in such a vicious manner.

I could see if he had just caught her cheating with the guy (crime of passion), but this? It'll eventually come out in the wash.

Post: #48

(10-11-2012 11:37 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 06:14 PM)snoop Wrote:  Going after married women is a dangerous game. The guy gambled and lost.

Much easier to not go after women wearing wedding rings and find one of the millions of available women.

I've yet to see a ring close a hole.

Hell, married broads are easier than single a lot of the time.

you missed the point there...

Post: #49

Here's a related story to help some of you understand the dangers in approaching taken women.

A guy I used to hang out with would take his wife out drinking, sometime with the purpose of using her as "bait". If someone else started hitting on her, they would get into an argument before he would leave in a huff. she would then lure the guy hitting on her to somewhere remote, at which point her husband would beat the living shit out of the guy before they would rob him and throw him in the woods in the middle of nowhere.

Post: #50

(10-15-2012 05:13 PM)snoop Wrote:  Here's a related story to help some of you understand the dangers in approaching taken women.

A guy I used to hang out with would take his wife out drinking, sometime with the purpose of using her as "bait". If someone else started hitting on her, they would get into an argument before he would leave in a huff. she would then lure the guy hitting on her to somewhere remote, at which point her husband would beat the living shit out of the guy before they would rob him and throw him in the woods in the middle of nowhere.

Sounds like a really cool friend to have.