Post: #1

I've heard this from several people, but what does it really mean?

Choice in what? Too many men to choose from? Choice between men and work?

If it's too many men to choose from, do we have more men than women?

I've heard an analogy of western women having choice like a cereal aisle.


When you get to the cereal aisle you have so much choice that you don't know what to do get and sometimes leave with no cereal or take a really long time to decide what cereal to get.

Post: #2

Large percentages of fat, unattractive women make those that aren't more in demand.

Post: #3

The average western woman gets more attention than you can even imagine. Part of the problem is the fatties, who are making up a larger percentage of the population. The more they grow, the more power the non-obese woman has as the supply of good pussy gets comparatively scarce. So the men around her will treat her as if she's something special, when, in reality, she merely hasn't deformed her body with rolls of flab yet. I guess this counts as an accomplishment in the US.

Another is that average women have access to much higher quality men. Not exclusive access in dating them, but they can get unceremoniously pumped and dumped. At bars, you can easily spot good-looking, sharply-dressed guys chatting up girls several points below him. Hey, I understand, anything to get your dick wet. But it creates outsized expectations in these women. They think that if they can get fucked by some alpha, that they also deserve a committed relationship, when in fact she merely was a 3AM, hope no sees it fuck. The woman rationalizes these drunken hookups in her favor as burgeoning relationships that didn't go anywhere because he was a jerk. Cue "Where are all the good men?"

Then, there is the problem of social networks. Anything a girl says will draw an excessive reaction. These networks allow her to maintain a large following from hordes of thirsty dudes who think that liking whatever inane drivel she posts will get them closer to defiling her holes. So if she's feeling sad after getting the boot, all she needs to do is share this with the world, and she will get more positive feedback than she knows what to do with. Added to this are the dating sites. All she needs are a few pictures to show she's not a beached whale, and her inbox will get flooded.

This all adds up to more men on her radar than she knows what to make sense of. This is what it means when we talk about choice. Basically, women can do whatever they want with few consequence in her prime years. She can sleep around, serial date, find a relationship, or do all three, because as long as she has her looks there will be men lined up.

Post: #4

Because there's no sense of community or shame in divorce anymore. Hell I can't even name any of my neighbors. It's just how it is.

Post: #5

Because..........



The west is a Sausagefest.

Post: #6

1) Feminism brought them equality in the work place. Thus they don't need to depend on men for economic survival. In countries where this has not happened, she lives with her parents until she finds a husband. This is turn means Western women can be extraordinarily picky about choosing a man since "settling" is not an economic necessity as it was in the past. For many if they don't find exactly the guy they want, they would rather focus on their careers and stay single indefinitely("never settle!"). The feminists chant "hoorah! liberation!" but the end result will be plunging marriage and fertility rates like you have in Scandinavia. Obviously a nation with a negative birth rate is not sustainable in the long run so nature will get the last laugh, as will those "primitive" societies were women actually reproduce.

2) The stigma of being a spinster in Western society has vanished. It's simply no big deal for her to be 35+ and unmarried. Sure many of them may long to meet a man of their dreams, get swept off their feet and settle down, but nobody is going to give them a hard time about it if they don't. This is especially true in the major cities. She will filll that empty hole in her life with career ambition, yoga and pets rather than lower her standards and accept a man which is not her ideal.

3) The importance of career over family. This ties into number 1. The modern woman places the importance of career and "independence" as sacrosanct. Becoming a mother and a wife is secondary. It's something she'll think about after she's landed that 6 figure job at a legal firm. Housewives and women that put family first are unambitious anachronisms. A man is not only competing against other men for her attention, he's competing against her career ambitions. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...ll/309020/

4) Demographics. Men have traditionally had a higher death rate(due to wars, riskier behavior, harder work, etc) than women. Yet nature compensated by giving males a higher incidence of birth. Technology and modern medicine has thrown off this balance. Fewer men are dying at a young age. We don't have tens of millions of dying in wars anymore. Syphilis doesn't kill a man anymore, most men work in offices rather than sawmills and mines. So within the 18-30 demographic when women are at their prime years of procreating, you have an oversupply of men in Western countries. And with more men being unmarried into their 30s and 40, they are also competing with 20 something men for desirable 20-something women.

5) Women don't want men as bad as men want women. I don't care what anyone says, women are not as horny as men. They may enjoy sex as much as men, but they aren't thinking about it 24hrs a day like we are. They aren't constantly looking for innovative new ways to find it. Women can go for long stretches of time without sex that would break the soul of a man. A desirable woman in her 20s doesn't have to dedicate even a second of her day thinking about how can she meet men.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure Western women have as much choice in men as we think. All these things have given them the *illusion* of greater choice which makes them willing to hold out well past their prime reproductive years. It would seem to me that in some ways their choice has actually diminished since they have very few men to choose from that they consider desirable by their inflated standards. They have the choice to hold out longer due to financial independence but most of them will not find the alpha male of their dreams. An increasing number of them will never have kids and never marry.

Post: #7

America is one of the modernized countries. I am wondering if it has anything to do with it.
How about women in more modernized countries? like sweden, norway, denmark etc

My country is still conservative about women's looks. you can't even get a job as a waitress if you are fat. Even as an office worker, you will lose a lot of points at job interview because being fat is considered as lazy. (it's just simple. there are many skinny applicants. would you hire a fat person if you were the owner?)
You have to be attractive to work as a flight attendants too (kind of like 70's in U.S)

Fat girls will be just ignored or treated as a guy friend in a social circle.
I can't imagine fat girls walking around with an attitude in a places like a club.

we don't say stupid shits like 'it's about personality' when you say you can't date her because she is fat. In fact, people will tell you you are worth more than her and ask why you are with her.

Again, I am really curious if it has anything to do with modernized culture.

Post: #8

(09-15-2012 05:49 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  America is one of the modernized countries. I am wondering if it has anything to do with it.
How about women in more modernized countries? like sweden, norway, denmark etc

My country is still conservative about women's looks. you can't even get a job as a waitress if you are fat. Even as an office worker, you will lose a lot of points at job interview because being fat is considered as lazy. (it's just simple. there are many skinny applicants. would you hire a fat person if you were the owner?)
You have to be attractive to work as a flight attendants too (kind of like 70's in U.S)

Fat girls will be just ignored or treated as a guy friend in a social circle.
I can't imagine fat girls walking around with an attitude in a places like a club.

we don't say stupid shits like 'it's about personality' when you say you can't date her because she is fat. In fact, people will tell you you are worth more than her and ask why you are with her.

Again, I am really curious if it has anything to do with modernized culture.

Modernization = more overall wealth = weakening the importance of the individual man; woman does not rely on him to get through life without ending up on the street (forced wealth transfer from men to women, which is generally accepted since most people have way more $ and things than they really deserve - mechanization of farming etc.). Thus, men have less power. Men prefer to call a spade a spade. Women don't. Then some men start to play along with women's rules, superficially encouraged. So you end up with today..

Post: #9

The choices they have are an illusion. At least with respect to men. For a women saying that this or that man wants to fuck them/has fucked them is meaningless, and says very little about their value. Despite feminism, Sex and the City and all the rest a woman can only really gauge her true value, and order in the female hierarchy, by actually marrying. She essentially sees her own value reflected in the (best) man she can marry. And she ALWAYS marries the best man she can at any particular point in time.

As much fun as it would seem to us as guys to be a like a woman who can obtain sex easily, it really doesn't mean much to them. Definitely not what it means to us. For every 100,000/million/billion men who would have sex with her there's only one who would marry or really commit to her. That is essentially the female condition. Not whatever they teach in gender studies.

Post: #10

(09-15-2012 02:16 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Because..........



The west is a Sausagefest.

^This is a fvcking DEATHSENTENCE for the western pension-system!

Post: #11

(09-15-2012 05:23 AM)Pacesetter20 Wrote:  Large percentages of fat, unattractive women make those that aren't more in demand.

Yes, I think this is the root of the problem, and other issues are really just a result of this imbalance - many guys fighting over a small pool of attractive women.
If you were only chasing fatties you would have it very easy. A real, genuine chubbychaser (since most of the proclaimed chubbychasers are just losers that can't do better and make virtue out of necessity) must have it very good in America.

Post: #12

im surprised no one has mentioned the female bias in the courts. alimony is a bitch and in many states if you are with a woman for more than 10 yrs and you divorce you have to pay her alimony for life or until she remarries. also the fact that a woman can get pregnant and then get gauranteed child support with enforcement through deducting it automatically from the paycheck. and if the guy doesnt pay the courts can through him in jail.

the courts favoring women goes beyond child support and alimony.
when a female teacher has sex with a student slap on the wrists or well he was a guy so hes lucky.
if a male teacher has sex with a student hes going get at least 10 yrs and have sex offender on his record for life

women literally can get away with murder in the us. consider casey anthony. given ALL of the evidence against her she still got away with it. could any guy get such treatment? there are countless examples and i could go on but women never get punished.

my favorite example was the duke lacrosse rape case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
crystal magnum the woman who accused these guys lied. she never got in any trouble for destroying the lives of these young men. some time after the case she stabbed and killed her boyfriend and is in jail awaiting sentencing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Mangum

Post: #13

They have choice because we give it to them.If we treated them the way Russian or Ukrainian men do their choice would be reduced to a minimum.

Post: #14

I don't think a simple demographic analysis explains the full story. You have to look at culture (education, mass media, tradition), the legal system as well and even then it's not always easy to discern what is cause and what is effect.

Take one example: in New Zealand, there is an oversupply of women in their prime marriageable years due to the fact that more more young men than women go overseas to work. Yet the young Kiwi women don't compete to look good and behave agreeably in order to snag the remaining men; instead, for whatever reasons, they are among the frumpiest and most masculine women in the world. Compare Russia where there is also an oversupply of women, but the result is the opposite.

So why is it the Anglosphere women are the worst? A related question - why are people from USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand (along with Mexico) the fattest on earth? I haven't heard a completely convincing explanation for that either.

Post: #15

(09-17-2012 09:23 AM)RawGod Wrote:  So why is it the Anglosphere women are the worst? A related question - why are people from USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand (along with Mexico) the fattest on earth? I haven't heard a completely convincing explanation for that either.

This isn't as true as it seems. Many of the studies on obesity that are quoted only include certain countries (e.g OECD countries). If you include the South Pacific and African countries the US, UK etc. would not have the highest levels of obesity. At least not the highest level for females. Almost all South Pacific Islands/countries and most reasonably well-off African countries would have higher levels of female obesity. it's just that these countries are seldom studied properly.

Not to say that obesity isn't a problem in the countries you mentioned. It's an epidemic. It's just that I don't think the reason has that much to do with "Anglo" culture, feminism and the other reasons often given. People are just weak willed or addicted and cannot deal with an overabundance of starchy carbohydrates.

Post: #16

(09-17-2012 09:23 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Take one example: in New Zealand, there is an oversupply of women in their prime marriageable years due to the fact that more more young men than women go overseas to work. Yet the young Kiwi women don't compete to look good and behave agreeably in order to snag the remaining men; instead, for whatever reasons, they are among the frumpiest and most masculine women in the world.

You sure about that?

Quote:New Zealand women have the most sexual partners in the world, according to a global sex survey reported on Saturday.
They have an average of 20.4 sexual partners, according to a survey by condom-maker Durex - well above the global average of 7.3

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/10/1...14489.html

Post: #17

How about something like this from Facebook

122,465 others like this.
10,694 comments of people complimenting her.

Quote:as scared as i am to post this picture, i know i need to be BRAVE. i'm rising above all negativity from the past and EMBRACING who i am! it's time to BE KIND to ourselves. CONFIDENCE is BEAUTY. don't EVER let someone take away your confidence. unlike last time, i will NOT delete this picture, i promise! just always remember that YOU, yes you, are beautiful.

Post: #18

(09-17-2012 01:53 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 09:23 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Take one example: in New Zealand, there is an oversupply of women in their prime marriageable years due to the fact that more more young men than women go overseas to work. Yet the young Kiwi women don't compete to look good and behave agreeably in order to snag the remaining men; instead, for whatever reasons, they are among the frumpiest and most masculine women in the world.

You sure about that?

Quote:New Zealand women have the most sexual partners in the world, according to a global sex survey reported on Saturday.
They have an average of 20.4 sexual partners, according to a survey by condom-maker Durex - well above the global average of 7.3

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/10/1...14489.html

Yes, I am sure about the fact that New Zealand women are extremely masculine, do not care about their appearance, and take pride in burping, farting and getting drunk.

And I was aware also that they are the most promiscuous women in the world.

My point was that in both Russia and NZ there is an oversupply of women. Yet in Russia the women compete for the remaining good men by taking care of their appearance and being feminine; in NZ they drag their paunches and dirty flip-flopped feet to the pub and have drunk ONS with whichever guy couldn't get his ass over to Australia or Dubai for a good job.

Therefore, there is something else going on rather than just a demographic imbalance.

Post: #19

A bit of an unfair comment about New Zealand women, sure they were probably the first country in the world to embrace feminism. New Zealand is very multicultural in fact Auckland is as diverse or even more diverse in terms of ethnicity and cultural diversity than London or LA. New Zealand's population is around 69-75% of the population are European, 12-15% Maori and Pacific Islanders and the remainder are Asian which is a very fast growing minority. There is also a lot of mixed marriage, more so than in any country in the world.

Post: #20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFfcSuJW-xM

Post: #21

(09-17-2012 11:34 PM)houston Wrote:  How about something like this from Facebook

122,465 others like this.
10,694 comments of people complimenting her.

Quote:as scared as i am to post this picture, i know i need to be BRAVE. i'm rising above all negativity from the past and EMBRACING who i am! it's time to BE KIND to ourselves. CONFIDENCE is BEAUTY. don't EVER let someone take away your confidence. unlike last time, i will NOT delete this picture, i promise! just always remember that YOU, yes you, are beautiful.

I have a feeling that this picture is part of Burger King's new viral marketing campaign. What kind of BS is "confidence is beauty"?? I have no problem with fat people being happy, but she's delusional if she thinks she's beautiful just because she's feigning confidence.

Post: #22

Yeah totally agree with you, having confidence and positive attitude is one thing being delusional is another.

Post: #23

(09-17-2012 11:34 PM)houston Wrote:  How about something like this from Facebook

122,465 others like this.
10,694 comments of people complimenting her.

Quote:as scared as i am to post this picture, i know i need to be BRAVE. i'm rising above all negativity from the past and EMBRACING who i am! it's time to BE KIND to ourselves. CONFIDENCE is BEAUTY. don't EVER let someone take away your confidence. unlike last time, i will NOT delete this picture, i promise! just always remember that YOU, yes you, are beautiful.

Pics like this are driving me crazy. She has a cute face and if she lost the flab to a BMI < 21 she could have been genuinely hot. She simply doesn't have the body type to look at least somewhat decent with all that extra fat (some other women could look almost good with the same BMI). The sad thing is that she probably has a good metabolism (likely a mesomorph judging by the wide shoulders) and with just little bit better diet and regular exercise she could easily be in the 7+ or even 8 range. She probably drinks a gallon of Frappucino a day, live on a diet of french fries and ice cream. Gets drunk on beer few times a week. All while doing jack shit in terms of exercise.

Edit: And why should she change anything? She still has tons and tons of guys wanting to fuck her no matter what.