Post: #26

OK...so short version: it didn't work out for me.

Long version: So we metup the week before last on a thursday. At the first bar i went in for the kiss pretty quickly (about 30 mins in) she was receptive. Chatted, for about 45 mins more with pretty decent vibes. Felt like how it used to feel with her.

I suggest venue bouncing to another place down the street, she says sure. So we go there make out some more and start drinking some more. At this point i start thinking, damn this is weird - no shit tests at all. She even apologized when she pulled out her phone to look at a text. For a narcissistic girl with horrible manners i was shocked to see her do that. But then comes the shit test. After a long kiss she says "i was never really that comfortable with PDA." So i grabbed her stuck my tongue down her throat again and then said hang on i'm going to take a piss.

I come back and i say hey how bout a drink at your place (she lives 2-3 blocks away from the bar). She gives me some shit about having to wake up to run. I say just one drink. She says no. I say c'mon, she resists.

Now here is where i'm fucking angry with myself. I didn't try to break through the resistance. I let her say no. I gave up. Just the week before i banged another girl by just being firm and not taking no for an answer. But i didn't. I can blame it on poor logistics (i waited way too long till we were both yawning like crazy to try to get back to her apt), but thats a rationalization. I lost track of my game.

She was like "hey well get together next week." I said ok and kissed her bye. Then she says to me "text when you get home" i said i don't do that. She says "rude." About 45 mins later she texts me to check if i got home. I only live 15 mins away. I meant it - i wasn't going to text her. I responded and said yea 5 mins later.

So three days later i hit her up on facebook with some chatter about her weekend activities and she responds, then i ask her if shes free thursday or friday. No response. Goes cold.

I said fuck. That was monday. Wednesday she hits me up with a message "hey i'm so sorry i flaked on you." I teased her and said its cool i'll just go out with that ukranian model i've been banging. She says 'lol' and we riff on that for a few sentences.

Anyway i cut the conversation short and logoff. The next day she messages me and asks how my date is going with that chick. I said great we're gonna have a threesome in about an hour. More 'lol's and bullshit. BUT NO COUNTEROFFER FROM HER.

So i logoff again and break contact. She doesn't text or call or message me for a week and i don't either. I figure fuck it and yesterday (friday) i text her this:

"8======D ~ ~ ~ Happy friday!"

She responds 2 hours later with "wow, thanks."

Then i say " a full week and no counteroffer, tisk tisk tisk."

Radio silence. No response. I figure ok thats it we're done. this is about 12:30 PM.

Fastforward 7 hours and i'm out with my family having dinner. My aunt, uncle, mom, dad, and 2 close friends of my aunt and uncle. The topic of dating comes up, and because i'm 3 gin and soda's deep and haven't eaten much i start mouthing off about the game and all this shit i've been reading on CH and Roosh, etc. Oddly enough, both of the friends were psychologists and a really fascinating conversation about game ensued.

So afterward i decided to go out and prowl alone in santa monica. I go to a bar that i've been to a few times before, and i walk in, turn to my right and who do I see standing there: this girl.

Couldn't believe it. What are the odds of that happening? She sees me, i see her, and the vibe is weird. Shes with a small group. 3 dudes and a girl. Didn't get the vibe that she was with any of the guys, no touching or body language or anything. So to test it out i ask her if i can sip her drink, a drink that i saw one of the guys hand to her. She says sure, so i grab it and suck from her straw and make eye contact with a couple of the guys as i do it. A few minutes later they decide to bounce i say i'm bouncing too i'll walk with ya. Now i'm thinking fuck it im gonna grab her and make out with her in front of these dudes, just straight up AMOG them. As were out front of the venue, i grab her arm and i say i'm gonna go home and she says ok i move in to kiss her and she says "No!" and starts moving away. I reach for her arm but she shrugs it off, and her friend says "don't touch her!" It wasn't even really in direct view of the guys, they were about 20 feet away from us at that point.

I follow in tow for a few steps but then i just stopped and watched as they walked across the street.

I'm gonna delete her on FB within the next couple days, delete her number, etc. Once a bitch has the nerve to just walk away from me like i'm a fucking homeless person she's dead to me.

I guess the purpose of her contacting me and feeding me all that bullshit about what a great guy i am really was just to rope me so she could feel good about herself. Anyway, it doesn't make any sense to analyze her hamster. Its a waste of time.

Post: #27

You could have fucked her, but you fucked it up big time.


First, going for a drinks date: Big mistake. Should have told her to meet you at your place for some drinks. Then you could have escalated and fucked her.

Second: Making out with her at the bar? Dude, that's shitty game man. Have you read Tuth's first date recipe? Don't escalate on dates until you're at a sex location.

Third: Your text game is pathetic. I don't even know where to start. ONLY TEXT FOR LOGISTICS read the memorable text messages thread or Roosh's text guide or fuck, ANYTHING except what you did.



Bottom line: You need to approach more girls, learn some half-decent game, and stop letting your emotions control you.

Post: #28

Wow, that's a perfect example of how to lose girl due to shitty game. Not smooth at all. Totally agree with Samseau that you need more experience and tighten up your game.

Post: #29

With girls I met after the red pill, I'm all tactics and strategy. I apply game.

With girls I met before the red pill, I'm tactics and strategy for like two fucking seconds, then there's a roadblock, and I revert to beta vaginitis. With them it's like the red pill never happened.

It's weird, but I think it's much easier to resort to former beta behaviors with girls you tried to get at BEFORE the red pill.

That's why I, personally, avoid the chicks I failed to get at before the red pill; concretizing new alpha behaviors and mindsets should take the priority even over winning over those chicks.

The working psychological concept is state dependence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-dependent_learning

For myself I have straight-up written off all the girls I tried to get at before game. Laying down a good foundation and a good mindset is my priority, not "proving myself" to a bunch of sluts I used to know.

Post: #30

Damn that bad huh? I have two friends who are pretty decent with game, and they didn't think I fucked it up that bad. (They said not to get involved with this chick again in the first place though). They've seen how far i've come with all the new girls i deal with, especially the FB i have now thanks to knowing a little game.

I think XII perfectly described what happened to me.

Post: #31

Either way, don't let it get to you too much man-we've all been there and mistakes are a necessary evil for the path to success. We all have the tendencies where we might be money in the beginning, and then things slip up over time. Learn from it.

I had this situation a couple months ago, its usually better to leave it alone. Try/go it for it if you want yes-but usually you're energy is better invested in something/someone else.

(10-29-2012 05:36 PM)EasyMoney Wrote:  Damn that bad huh? I have two friends who are pretty decent with game, and they didn't think I fucked it up that bad. (They said not to get involved with this chick again in the first place though). They've seen how far i've come with all the new girls i deal with, especially the FB i have now thanks to knowing a little game.

I think XII perfectly described what happened to me.

Post: #32

(10-29-2012 05:36 PM)EasyMoney Wrote:  Damn that bad huh? I have two friends who are pretty decent with game, and they didn't think I fucked it up that bad. (They said not to get involved with this chick again in the first place though). They've seen how far i've come with all the new girls i deal with, especially the FB i have now thanks to knowing a little game.

I think XII perfectly described what happened to me.

You kept going back again and again after she ditched, flaked/non-replied, you were really emotionally needed, seemingly without realizing it.

That's not a crime, it just doesn't work with alpha addicted ameribitches.

Post: #33

Damn dude you fucked up.. Ah well you have learnt..
I had an EX I broke up with her and decided to email her to genuinely check up on her as I heard she tried to commit suicide..
She responds later and I realised I should'nt even have bothered backtracking, she was being cold and asking why I thought about checking up on her, told her I randomly found her email and just decided to check up on her then made it seem like i'm still not interested after realising the shit test.
Now I understand the game I realised a great formula which always works and its
New Pussy > Old Pussy