Post: #26

(08-20-2012 01:21 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 10:05 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  First of all girls in Ukraine usually order their food and they do not wait to eat the remnants of your food.Second they usually like drinks like cocktails even on cafe dates which are expensive.Third they refuse to take marshutka if you can pay for taxi unless they view you as a future groom.Fourth they like serious value gifts(like cosmetics,perfumes) and not minor gifts.

I like Kamaki's efforts at posting here, and I probably differ diametrically from the Balkan Power approach, which seems hilariously incomprehensible to me; I am a shy guy with Italian blood and highly educated.

This does not at all match my recent experience in Lviv with attractive college girls or early career girls 20-25. N = about 6. Admittedly I didn't bed any of them, but I'm screening for LTR, and I don't think these chicks would have liked me even if I had shoved stuff at them. Five out of the six girls ordered something really cheap; would often not accept food and watched me eat in a restaurant, they defaulted to Mashrutka without complaint. One took me to a terrible expensive restuarant and ordered some fairly expensive stuff, she has a Spanish guy on the line who is paying her way to school in Spain. Even she rides Mashrutka without complaint.

I differ greatly from the high-heel fans here, i do not go after high-heel wearing girls who look like nightclub fans or vacuous materialisti bitches however. I go after plain-dressing girls who are sort of hipsterish, but without the bitchy superiority of the Murkabeest version.

One of my favorite girls there was a nice mountain girl from the Carpathians who told me hilarious tales of being chased by deer, wild pigs, and I think a bear in her home region forests. Why not get a girl who'll go on an adventure besides to a dreary, drunken nightclub?


I am in Murka for business. Oh god I hate it here. Smart girls are so twisted they've lost the most basic elements of friendly behavior, which are now regarded as being servile. I'm living with a couple girls who went to Ivy League schools, and they are monumental in their self-righteous humorlessness.

In the USA for BUSINIESS ONLY. There's no repairing a depressed, sullen irritability in our educated women that takes years of indoctrination and negative ruminating to form. Working class girls in stores etc are far nicer.

I wrote that when they view you as a future groom like they do in western Ukraine you can take the marshutka because they try to make you spend as little as possible to appreciate them.But when they view you as boyfriend/lover as they do in eastern Ukraine and Kiev they try to get as much as possible.In this case marshutka is not accepted.

Post: #27

(08-20-2012 01:36 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 09:32 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 07:56 AM)lotharius Wrote:  Greek, any chance you could give us some info on your stats etc, because it seems from your posts that you do well with women, on the other hand you seem to buy a lot of shit for girls. I'm a decent enough looking guy, if I get an incling women are after too much from me then I drop them straight away, that does not mean I settle for less in terms of quality. My status is usually enough to draw them in.

In Ukraine quality does not matter.Whether you deal with a beautiful or an average girl you pay the same.You get better attitude from the average girl though.

Kamaki,

Absolute nonsense of the highest order.

I know your answer.''I choose the beautiful ones''.Exactly.But if you choose the more average ones(matter of choice) you can expect better attitude.This does not mean the average ones will not have requirements in dining,cafes etc.

Post: #28

I have analyzed the differences between western and eastern Ukraine in previous posts.Most girls in western Ukraine(80%) are not gold diggers.However a girl from western Ukraine is very unlikely to accept common vaccations to Crimea,Greece or Turkey without being in a relationship with you first while a girl from Kiev,eastern Ukraine is likely to be tempted by common vaccations together despite her not knowing you.This has also to do with the gold digging mentality(in this case she gets vaccations for free instead of presents).

Post: #29

(08-20-2012 01:45 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 01:36 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 09:32 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 07:56 AM)lotharius Wrote:  Greek, any chance you could give us some info on your stats etc, because it seems from your posts that you do well with women, on the other hand you seem to buy a lot of shit for girls. I'm a decent enough looking guy, if I get an incling women are after too much from me then I drop them straight away, that does not mean I settle for less in terms of quality. My status is usually enough to draw them in.

In Ukraine quality does not matter.Whether you deal with a beautiful or an average girl you pay the same.You get better attitude from the average girl though.

Kamaki,

Absolute nonsense of the highest order.

I know your answer.''I choose the beautiful ones''.Exactly.But if you choose the more average ones(matter of choice) you can expect better attitude.This does not mean the average ones will not have requirements in dining,cafes etc.

But dude you are claiming that all women require the same financial stimulus. Are you serious?

Post: #30

I say that when you date average or beautiful girls in Kiev you will pay the same for restaurants,cafes etc.It is not that the average girl will have less demands.The difference is that the exceptionally beautiful girl will maybe ask for a present aka perfume as well because she is in higher demand.

Post: #31

[quote='Greek kamaki' pid='255263' dateline='1345489264']
I say that when you date average or beautiful girls in Kiev you will pay the same for restaurants,cafes etc.It is not that the average girl will have less demands.The difference is that the exceptionally beautiful girl will maybe ask for a present aka perfume as well because she is in higher demand.
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Why would you spend serious cash on an average girl?, they are in low demand in Ukraine, she would be content if you took her to Puzhata Hata. Of course the hot ones will usually expect a demonstration of your affluence.

Post: #32

It is not like that.I did not experience that average girls took me to cheaper restaurants or ordered less in cafes nor did they drink less in clubs.

Post: #33

My experiences in Crimea:
- Sevastopol - better for day game. didn't go out there.
- Yalta - 'daygame' in the evening before going out just by sitting on a bench and having a few beers + nightgame in the beachclubs.
- Simferopol - only 1 night here and we had to leave early but nightlife seemed fun and the park next to the canal seemed to be the place to have open air sex
- Yevpatoria - 2 nights - didn't find the good places to go to. not well researched

Renting a car instead of the slow public transport is a good idea in my opinion.

I look quite young and have more succes with students (18 - 24) compared to 25 -30 year olds (and the crowd in the beachclubs was rather young too).

Post: #34

Thanks betravel, interesting info.

Looking fwd to getting some feedback from Spartan concerning nightclubs, and also statistics, mostly family oriented, or some young females travelling on their etc.

Post: #35

"In Ukraine quality does not matter.Whether you deal with a beautiful or an average girl you pay the same.You get better attitude from the average girl though."

true they all want the most they can get, but the avg girls(who in america would be an 8) often settles for less.
it also matters where she comes from . If she comes from kiev,odessa or dnipro she has high standards. Sex in the city is one of thier favorite shows after all. However if shes from a province her standards drop.

Post: #36

Crimea has a reputation amongst Russians as a pure family holiday destination and a cheaper class one at that. This was always the case in Soviet times too.

Despite this i went to Evpatoria and Yalta myself 2 years ago.

Crimea is decrepid and the infrastructure has not changed in over 40 years. Evpatoria is somewhat depressing but Yalta looks more classy and uplifting.

Like its reputation you will struggle to see single girls during the day (only families) but at night they do come out to 2-3 clubs in each of these cities.

As its a cheaper holiday alternative to turkey or Europe, almost all the girls you will meet are poor and came by train from provincial Ukraine, Belarus or Siberia.

Russian girls will tell me they allow themselves to be hedonistic when overseas, though i did not feel this same liberal mindset in Crimea as i've experienced first hand in Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus.

They dont leave their prudish shell behind when they visit this spot.

Post: #37

As far as sponsorship holidays go. Im wondering what happens if you grow tired of each other after 1 day, or sooner.

Are you cold enough to send her home early if you are not enjoying her company whilst financing her holiday?

1 week is a long grind with a girl if she is boring, especially so if you take her to a place that is full of even hotter single girls all eyeing you.

You may regret having not gone there as a single man.

Post: #38

(08-23-2012 11:05 AM)Wolverine Wrote:  Crimea has a reputation amongst Russians as a pure family holiday destination and a cheaper class one at that. This was always the case in Soviet times too.

Despite this i went to Evpatoria and Yalta myself 2 years ago.

Crimea is decrepid and the infrastructure has not changed in over 40 years. Evpatoria is somewhat depressing but Yalta looks more classy and uplifting.

Like its reputation you will struggle to see single girls during the day (only families) but at night they do come out to 2-3 clubs in each of these cities.

As its a cheaper holiday alternative to turkey or Europe, almost all the girls you will meet are poor and came by train from provincial Ukraine, Belarus or Siberia.

Russian girls will tell me they allow themselves to be hedonistic when overseas, though i did not feel this same liberal mindset in Crimea as i've experienced first hand in Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus.

They dont leave their prudish shell behind when they visit this spot.

There are several naked beaches in Crimea next to the normal ones.(there is no clear line).It is quite a thrill when you pick up a naked girl though most of them are with boyfriends.

Post: #39

(08-23-2012 12:44 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 11:05 AM)Wolverine Wrote:  Crimea has a reputation amongst Russians as a pure family holiday destination and a cheaper class one at that. This was always the case in Soviet times too.

Despite this i went to Evpatoria and Yalta myself 2 years ago.

Crimea is decrepid and the infrastructure has not changed in over 40 years. Evpatoria is somewhat depressing but Yalta looks more classy and uplifting.

Like its reputation you will struggle to see single girls during the day (only families) but at night they do come out to 2-3 clubs in each of these cities.

As its a cheaper holiday alternative to turkey or Europe, almost all the girls you will meet are poor and came by train from provincial Ukraine, Belarus or Siberia.

Russian girls will tell me they allow themselves to be hedonistic when overseas, though i did not feel this same liberal mindset in Crimea as i've experienced first hand in Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus.

They dont leave their prudish shell behind when they visit this spot.

There are several naked beaches in Crimea next to the normal ones.(there is no clear line).It is quite a thrill when you pick up a naked girl though most of them are with boyfriends.

The only good thing i experienced about Crimea was 3 awesome clubs in Evpatoria, but overall crimea as a whole is slim pickings for a single guy, and nearby Kazantip is an overrated cockfest with an expensive entrance fee.

Overall crimea is a low class holiday destination and if you think Bulgaria is a DLV then Crimea is way worse.

I never tell russian girls i holidayed there and i advise you likewise.

Odessa is way classier.

Post: #40

This is true.Crimea is cheap and this makes you look suspicious.I guess that Sochi is better although I have not been there.(it is supposed to attract rich Russians etc).

Post: #41

yeah Crimea was always cheap. However durign the rea lestate boom prices increased fastest after kiev .I know because i bought a smaller 3 room euro renovated flat in arcadia area of Odessa for more than i could have gotten a alrger 3 room flat overlooking omega beach in savastopol. Now that apt skyrocketed more than my flat. i will say that local residents in CRIMEA are more friendly tha nrest of ukraine and during non summer months i am sure they are pretty easy beign bored and all. sevastopol was a great city to pick up. Nicknamed SAN DIEGO EAST by a former expat there.

Post: #42

(08-20-2012 01:43 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 01:21 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  [quote='Greek kamaki' pid='255184' dateline='1345475158']
....There's no repairing a depressed, sullen irritability in our educated women that takes years of indoctrination and negative ruminating to form. Working class girls in stores etc are far nicer.

I wrote that when they view you as a future groom like they do in western Ukraine you can take the marshutka because they try to make you spend as little as possible to appreciate them.But when they view you as boyfriend/lover as they do in eastern Ukraine and Kiev they try to get as much as possible.In this case marshutka is not accepted.

I see your point; Western Ukr girls do come on as flirty but "good" girls, who want to look like appealing fucks. But most importantly they also proclaim they want children and marriage, a far cry from the MurkaBeest loudly proclaiming her stellar, tellar carreer is OVERJOYING.

A 20-year old went out with once said she wanted 8 children. She was serious.

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Beware the toxic Murkabeest; spewing toxic resentment and lack of joy in life; and paranoia that the world is like a Crime Scene Investigator set.

Post: #43

I think all this talk of money, high class or low class spots, etc is very strange.

I can't recall being in a situation where I needed more $ to get a girl to like me.
Isn't this the point of game??

Money gets you sex (prostitution and sponsoring), but won't get a girl interested in you. For most of the girls I met..they don't go on any holidays at all, and any trip is wonderfull to them.

I'm loving my time in the Crimea- great weather, beaches, mountains. Also they have fresh figs, my favorite fruit. I'm definitely coming back on the winter as well. After the tourists are gone it seems possible to meet some local girls.

Post: #44

(08-24-2012 01:51 AM)Spartan Wrote:  I think all this talk of money, high class or low class spots, etc is very strange.

I can't recall being in a situation where I needed more $ to get a girl to like me.
Isn't this the point of game??

Money gets you sex (prostitution and sponsoring), but won't get a girl interested in you. For most of the girls I met..they don't go on any holidays at all, and any trip is wonderfull to them.

I'm loving my time in the Crimea- great weather, beaches, mountains. Also they have fresh figs, my favorite fruit. I'm definitely coming back on the winter as well. After the tourists are gone it seems possible to meet some local girls.

So when the place is packed with hot Ukrainian and Russian chicks you are waiting till they go off so you can approach local girls?

Post: #45

most girls are with boyfriends here right now and locals are tired of foreigners at the moment, plus I am changing cities daily, at the coast now. However, discos seem like a promising idea...

Post: #46

(08-24-2012 01:51 AM)Spartan Wrote:  I think all this talk of money, high class or low class spots, etc is very strange.

I can't recall being in a situation where I needed more $ to get a girl to like me.
Isn't this the point of game??

Money gets you sex (prostitution and sponsoring), but won't get a girl interested in you.

You are proposing financing a girls entire vacation in order to get sex so obviously you do need to spend money to get a girl to like you.

Its pure sponsorship and requires requires zero game on your part.

You're just attempting to attain that sex as cheap as possible which makes you look like a cheap sponsor.

Post: #47

(08-24-2012 03:50 AM)Spartan Wrote:  most girls are with boyfriends here right now and locals are tired of foreigners at the moment, plus I am changing cities daily, at the coast now. However, discos seem like a promising idea...

What is your take on Yalta,Sudak,Alushta,Koktebel and Yevpatoria?Throw a datasheet.(if I had done a photo datasheet last summer I was there you will still rub your eyes from the views.Unparalleled hotness of girls never encountered sth like that).

Post: #48

(08-24-2012 04:04 AM)Wolverine Wrote:  

(08-24-2012 01:51 AM)Spartan Wrote:  I think all this talk of money, high class or low class spots, etc is very strange.

I can't recall being in a situation where I needed more $ to get a girl to like me.
Isn't this the point of game??

Money gets you sex (prostitution and sponsoring), but won't get a girl interested in you.

You are proposing financing a girls entire vacation in order to get sex so obviously you do need to spend money to get a girl to like you.

Its pure sponsorship and requires requires zero game on your part.

You're just attempting to attain that sex as cheap as possible which makes you look like a cheap sponsor.

Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about.
I had a girl I was banging daily. Even if I had not mentioned vacation, I would still be banging her daily.

Only trouble is my visa was expiring and I had to leave the country, so I wanted to take her on a trip with me.

Taking my girlfriend on a trip is not the same as paying for some unknown girl's trip in the hopes of banging.

I was not cheap, but I did not spend mich on this girl. A couple homemade dinners at my place, one nice dinner at a restaurant, some ice cream, etc. When leaving, I bought her a teddy bear as a gift. Clearly, I paid for stuff...but no expensive gifts were needed.
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I will throw up several datasheets once my vacation is over and I'm settled down.

Post: #49

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