Post: #1

The story is coming out -- three of the dead at the Aurora shooting were young men who died taking bullets for their girlfriends.

See:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/th...yPkeAAkZsM

and

http://twitchy.com/2012/07/22/valor-thre...rshooting/

I believe this particular reaction is instinctive and primal. Men want to fuck women, but they also have to protect women as well. It is genetically driven, not a socio-cultural phenomenon.

Now, think about these surviving women. Their lives are shattered by a double dose. First, they will have the survivor's guilt, and perhaps the accompanying PTSD.

But second, what man could possibly replace the man who laid down his life for her? No man can match up.

The probability of psychological ruination for them is quite high.

Post: #2

(07-22-2012 03:37 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  The probability of psychological ruination for them is quite high.

Why are you so sure?

I see it all the time - guy does something nice for a girl, girl laughs in his face. So many girls aren't grateful in the first place. But even if they were... why does she deserve to be saved over you?

And logistically speaking, I'm not convinced it's a sound strategy. Imagine you have a shooting like this, where the victims are classified as 'protectors' and 'princesses' - the protectors' goal is to ensure the survival of their respective princess. Compare that to where adults take the 'every man for himself' tack. Under which strategy do more people live? Making every adult responsible for themselves over other adults (children are a little different, but they're irrelevant in considering saving girlfriends) seems like it would yield the least death. This isn't a soldier jumping on a grenade to save the rest of his fire-team.

Would I save my girlfriend? No. Being a girlfriend means nothing. At best, it means "I will fuck you and only you, until I decide I want a new man." Unlike death, a girlfriend is not remotely permanent. When marriage is seen as not a lifetime bond, but something to try while it works, and abandon when it doesn't, a non-marital relationship is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. There is hardly any commitment involved for a woman. And she isn't bearing your children. I understand if she wouldn't sacrifice her life for mine - after all, it's just a relationship of convenience most of the time, and death is not so convenient.

Post: #3

I think most women would find a man who protects women from physical danger to be attractive, so it is alpha. Remember Mystery's "Protector of Loved Ones" maxim?


White knighting isn't just protecting women, it's protecting women unjustifiably. For example, a whore who yells at some dude for no reason, gets smacked in the face and then is saved:



That's white knighting, because the whore in this case didn't deserve to be saved, and yet men rushed in to her aid afterwards.


But a girl watching a movie and is then threatened by a crazy gunman? Bringing down the madman is definitely an alpha move, or even protecting your loved ones from harm by taking a bullet.


That said - what's the point of being alpha if you're dead?

Post: #4

I'm not gonna say I'll be a white knight and protect my gf, but in these situations you need to get the f*ck out of there.

My number one priority is to get myself and my gf out of there.

I once witnessed a raid and my first thought was get far away and around a corner, not stand googly eyed and get shot. Shit went off, but I was already around the corner by the time it started.

Post: #5

I'd rather take my chances with the bullet than a lifetime of guilt. It's not just a girlfriend, but someone's mother, sister or daughter. I was taught to protect those that can't protect themselves.

I can see it in the paper: "Man throws girlfriend into a hail of bullets so he can save himself."

I give you guys a big "Semper I, fuck the other guy on this one."

Post: #6

Quote:It's not just a girlfriend, but someone's mother, sister or daughter.

It's your responsibility to watch out for a girl who has a relative?

Feminists use this argument against me often. "Don't you have a mother!" Yes, I have a mother, and I love her dearly, but I'm not going to treat some random ass hoe in the club like my mom.

Post: #7

Taking a bullet for your gf is definitely alpha. If you're in a relationship with a girl for a few years and you love this girl than you would happily do this. Moreover i think it's not even a rational decision but something you do without thinking about it.

OMG, am i being beta now ?

Post: #8

I would take a bullet for the mother of my children.

Or even for my wife.

I wouldn't take a bullet for a girlfriend.

Post: #9

Giving your life to save someone else's is the most selfless and honorable thing a person can do.

But, does it make you attractive to women? If you become famous for doing it, yes.

Also, Snooky is a a moron and all that, but that guy was off for throwing a first punch at her. If she hit him first, that would be a different story.

Post: #10

Quote:And logistically speaking, I'm not convinced it's a sound strategy.

But biologically speaking, it's a perfect strategy. Men are expendible, whereas women are not. If a tribe of 100 men and 100 women were reduced to just 100 women and 10 men, they'd still be able to reproduce and keep the tribe alive.

But if there are 100 men and 10 women, there will be problems...

So you can see why men have an instinct to protect women.

Post: #11

I think people are giving themselves too much credit if they think they'd act rationally and/or predictably in this kind of situation.

Post: #12

While I think Basil has it pretty much spot on as usual in the first response, I must also add that I think it depends on the context.

I mean, think about something like Mission Impossible III where Tom Cruise's character gets his partner (? - I think they're married?) into all sorts of shit and it's mainly his fault. If you're the guy in that situation, surely it's 'right' to take the bullet from a bad guy because you've dragged your perfectly innocent ladyfriend into the situation of your on incompetence and stupidity?

Now turning to this situation with a mass murdering. They're pretty different. In this example, it's not as if you, the man, have dragged the woman into something that has spiralled out of your control. It's just a random shooting where the two of you are... 'equal victims'. As others in this thread have mentioned, it's a dog-eat-dog world out there. She may be your girlfriend, but what does that really mean to you? To players like us, it doesn't mean a lot at all.

Regardless, even if you take a bullet (or three) for her and survive, it's likely that she'll break up with your (most likely now crippled) ass a few months later anyway - no matter how 'chivalrous' you may deem the act.

Post: #13

I think this is one of those cases of ""Was that beta?" overload".

Post: #14

There is also a great example of the OPPOSITE happening during this shooting.

The synopsis of the story is this:
A guy is at the movies with his girlfriend and the two children (a 4 year old girl and a 4 month old boy) he has with her. When the shooting starts, this dude LEFT ALL THREE OF THEM!! Motherfucker pulled an Usain Bolt and was GONE.

When he finally caught up with his girlfriend/baby mama after the shooting (she got shot, he didn't), he proposed to her at the hospital.

Here is a link:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/vi...H0z4P98nt3

The crazy part is that ANOTHER DUDE wound up saving the girl and her two kids.

Link to that story:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/vi...6FLuSI75kO

She should give this guy some pussy for what he did. Maybe someone should mail this dude a copy of BANG to give him some tips on how to bag this chick.

Post: #15

For me, while I wouldn't "take a bullet" for some chick that was just my girlfriend. HOWEVER, I wouldn't abandon them and leave them defenseless, to fend for themselves.

I would stay with them and attempt to get both of us out TOGETHER. This is no different that what I would do for a buddy. I'm not going to shield her body with mine, or any shit like that. But I can't just leave a chick there, on her own. I am just not made that way.

Post: #16

Definitely depends on the situation, but it skews white knight. It depends on the seriousness of the relationship, and bearing me children, I'm afraid, is the major landmark. A regular-ass chick I'm banging and happen to take to the movies? Shit, I'm going to quote myself from the other thread.

(07-22-2012 12:04 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  The ultimate white-knight act.

Now ["the girlfriend"] gets to live to be drilled by dozens of other cocks. I wonder how many weeks, or days, it will take before one of her girlfriends tells her it's time to "move on with her life" and she starts up the carousel.

Good move, hero.

The she's-somebody's-mother-or-sister argument is just like the she's-young-enough-to-be-your-daughter argument: fallacious, silly, and clearly invented by women, for women's benefit. So what? You could say a girl who's exactly my age that "she's old enough to be your sister," or about an older one, "she's old enough to be your aunt." The whole point is: she's not.

What makes a mother, sister, or daughter worthy of your supreme love, protection, and consideration isn't her vagina, it's that she's your relative, your bloodline, and likely done shit for you for decades.

Post: #17

Does anyone wonder what young children (4 years, 4 months?!) are doing at a midnight showing of Batman, or any other movie for that matter?

Post: #18

(07-22-2012 06:52 PM)Menace Wrote:  Does anyone wonder what young children (4 years, 4 months?!) are doing at a midnight showing of Batman, or any other movie for that matter?

I gave up wondering about that years ago. It was the same at the Avengers. What made that even more fucked up was that it was a group of moms that brought ALL of their fucking kids to the theater. There were at least 2 babies and 3 or 4 toddlers there.

Who the fuck brings their crying infant to a movie? Bitch, stay home, take care of your kids, and catch the movie a few months later on Netflix. These mom's will tell you that they "deserve" a night out. Don't I deserve to be able to watch a movie I paid for without a crying kid in the theater?

Post: #19

I knew this thread reminded me of another. It's worth a re-read. I, to be perfectly humble, made some especially insightful comments in it.

Women and Children Are Not First Anymore

Post: #20

(07-22-2012 06:52 PM)Menace Wrote:  Does anyone wonder what young children (4 years, 4 months?!) are doing at a midnight showing of Batman, or any other movie for that matter?

Watching it with their parents. Batman is a very popular and recognizable comic character among many demographics. No one could've predicted a masked gunman showing up.

Post: #21

(07-22-2012 06:52 PM)Menace Wrote:  Does anyone wonder what young children (4 years, 4 months?!) are doing at a midnight showing of Batman, or any other movie for that matter?

Not really. I remember going to the movies when I was a little ass kid and someone covering my eyes during the adult parts

Post: #22

True story: I was in a boat that flipped over with my kid in it about two years ago. We were in a river in the deep part of the channel about 10ft or so. Her mom and her son and another 12 year old girl were in the boat and mine was underneath it capsized. Calmly I dove under and grabbed her and swam her to the sandbar on the other side. Everyone else? Whatever. The important one was safe. When you have your own kids you'll realize that nobody else matters. It's a subject I've barely scratched the surface of here. The girls I date? Please. They barely care for their own do you think I'm worried about them?

As far as the dude who got shot goes......

She will use that experience as an excuse why she isn't "right" forever while injesting as much cock as possible. Like filing for disability when you think you have fibromialga

Post: #23

El Mech is right on.

Why would you save a girl you're (hopefully in this case) sticking your rod into, at the expense of your LIFE. Sorry but I find this the ultimate white knighting, nothing heroic about it.

You're just showing that the girlfriend you're saving is worth more than you, and no man or woman can take that role in my life.

I also bet those guys in the incident were helplessly pussywhipped. Of course the feminist media is going to make them heroes but that's just part of the hamster wheel.

Post: #24

when bullets start flying who knows what ones reaction will be... i think a lot of this is 'media' hype and the girlfriends of these poor guys trying to make sense of what went down. if they want the dead to be remembered as heroes so be it.

Post: #25

If she's your girlfriend, I hope there's more to it than just "sticking your rod in." I read that one of the couples were going out for over a year (dunno about the others). The ultimate white knighting would be to say "Any man should lay down his life to protect a fair maiden's life."

If she's a girlfriend of 1+ years, you should be as ready to protect her as you would one of your close buddies. And anyway, being alpha means a protector of loved ones. You'd physically block out a guy who was hitting on your gf, even if you risked getting injured in a fight. Why is the sudden instinct to protect the smaller, weaker body of your girl so wrong?