Post: #1

Well I know I can sign up for a PUA bootcamp and I can get a SNL every night, but I don't want too! I'd like to first report what I see in my major US city, then I'd like to ask what you see in your city. Or if you have exceptional numbers, I'd love to hear how you do it. Or if your city is the "pussy paradise" please let me know!

I would say there are very few SNL (single night lays - pickups and fucks) occurring in my major US city. Here is my basis for my statement. I seldom see guys making out with girls at bars. I do not see guys with drunk girls hanging on them. I seldom see them leaving bars arm in arm stumbling down the street. I don't even see them leaving bars romantically holding hands. I see most girls leaving bars in groups of girls and they are sober. I see guys leaving bars in groups of guys. So my conclusion is there is very little SNLs going on. Like less than 5% of the people hooking up and my guess is it's a lot closer to 1%!

What are your thoughts guys?

Post: #2

Displaying any kind of public affection will actually lower your chances of a SNL since she will already know what's up when you try to pull her to your place. Most of the smart guys don't go for a make out in public and just simply invite them over to his place to play wii, have a drink or whatever other excuse they can come up with. Once she's at your place, it's 99% a done deal (doesn't always count for EE though in my experience).

Don't judge SNL frequency by how many people are making out but by how women are reacting to the men approaching them.

Post: #3

(06-27-2012 05:10 AM)trainwreck Wrote:  Displaying any kind of public affection will actually lower your chances of a SNL since she will already know what's up when you try to pull her to your place. Most of the smart guys don't go for a make out in public and just simply invite them over to his place to play wii, have a drink or whatever other excuse they can come up with. Once she's at your place, it's 99% a done deal (doesn't always count for EE though in my experience).

Don't judge SNL frequency by how many people are making out but by how women are reacting to the men approaching them.

I can agree with the first thing you said that you don't have to make out in public, because the last girl I got locally, I had not even touched her before we got back to her apt. But girls NOT leaving with guys is a bad sign. You can't get a SNL without leaving with her!

Post: #4

I agree with you...there are VERY little snl taking place.Mind you I never go out and
I don't approach women (beyond asking for the time)...so take what I say with a
grain of salt.

I'm not saying that it doesn't ever happen;I'm sure it does for extremely good-looking
and charismatic guys but they make up for less then 1% of the male pop.

Post: #5

(06-27-2012 09:04 AM)silbanis Wrote:  I agree with you...there are VERY little snl taking place.Mind you I never go out and
I don't approach women (beyond asking for the time)...so take what I say with a
grain of salt.

I really hope this is a joke, but I can't tell. If it's not a joke, what you say shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt, it should be completely ignored. You can't have an opinion on the frequency of people meeting at bars and hooking up if you don't go to bars or try to hook up.

As for the original post, I assure you that if you live in a major city in the US, there are girls going home with guys every night. Some girls never hook up with a guy the night they meet him, but others don't have a problem with it. A lot of them think they never would, but then they meet a guy with the right game, and they do. Just keep going out and talking to girls, and eventually you'll see that it wasn't as uncommon as you thought.

Post: #6

(06-27-2012 09:26 AM)Guacamole Wrote:  As for the original post, I assure you that if you live in a major city in the US, there are girls going home with guys every night. Some girls never hook up with a guy the night they meet him, but others don't have a problem with it. A lot of them think they never would, but then they meet a guy with the right game, and they do. Just keep going out and talking to girls, and eventually you'll see that it wasn't as uncommon as you thought.

Numbers, Numbers, Numbers. Let me hear something factual that actually happened to you. You are talking about Faith, like religion, or PUA, just because you've been told it occurs you know it is occurring a lot because you want to believe it is.

I am 100% results oriented. Either I did it, I saw it happen, or it happened to one of my best friends who tell the truth! Anything else is just hearsay!

Post: #7

From my experience, usually at any given venue only 1% of the girls go home with a guy... sometimes it's as high as 5%.

While I am out, I look for new "couples" that form during the evening... sometimes I see no one hooking up, other times I see it everywhere.

Of course, none of this matters... if you want to be part of that 1% you need to practice your game.

Post: #8

its more a matter of state than "game". how often have you heard the "was totaly wasted, pulled this chick"? often enough, believe it. the problem are your believes. back to the state. so, how come those SNLs seem to happen to drunk guys (only)? if the average horny MF is drunk, the only thing still correctly working is his libido and cock (if he hasnt had too much booze), which guides him to tonight's poosy paradise. stop watching porn, get your shit sorted out, try to get in a carefree and horny state. got to a bar, radiate your happiness. fuck

Post: #9

Depends on my location, in Serbia never, in Ukraine can be a couple of times a week

Post: #10

I'd like to ask a variation of this question - of the times that the members here go out, what percentage of the time do you get a SNL? Not just going out to get coffee, but to bars, clubs, etc. where it's known people are there to meet each other and try and hook up.

My rate in Vegas is pretty damn high (1/4 or 1/5), but back in CA it's in the low low single digits (1/50). Both are estimates.

Post: #11

Forgive me if I'm sounding like an ass, but when you are out at night aren't there better things to do than scoping out the entire place and watching what others are up to?

First off, I feel scanning constantly is going to make you seem like a nervous/skittish person to any girls that see you. Secondly, when I'm out, usually I am focused on whatever girl/group I am talking to at the moment.

If you are out and actually having a good time, I feel like you don't have the time or focus to get a good sample size on what the whole bar/club snl ratio is.

From my angle these things really preclude you from seeing objectively what type of snl activity is going down at a bar, not to mention a major U.S. city.

Post: #12

(06-27-2012 03:27 PM)ImWaitingForTheMan Wrote:  Forgive me if I'm sounding like an ass, but when you are out at night aren't there better things to do than scoping out the entire place and watching what others are up to?

First off, I feel scanning constantly is going to make you seem like a nervous/skittish person to any girls that see you. Secondly, when I'm out, usually I am focused on whatever girl/group I am talking to at the moment.

If you are out and actually having a good time, I feel like you don't have the time or focus to get a good sample size on what the whole bar/club snl ratio is.

From my angle these things really preclude you from seeing objectively what type of snl activity is going down at a bar, not to mention a major U.S. city.

Wrong... after going out hundreds of times, you'll be able to glance through a room and gather the relevant information without much effort.


In fact, when I do pull a girl, it's even EASIER to see what everyone else is doing, since I'll be bored seducing some chick and it gives me plenty of time to survey the room.

Compare that to when you're not with a girl... you're constantly looking for new girls, switching venues, running game, etc.

So it's opposite; when I'm having a good time I see the room clearly and see what everyone is doing, but when I'm having a bad time I barely pay attention to what other people are doing because I'm too preoccupied with my problems.

Quote:I'd like to ask a variation of this question - of the times that the members here go out, what percentage of the time do you get a SNL? Not just going out to get coffee, but to bars, clubs, etc. where it's known people are there to meet each other and try and hook up.

In my city, it's somewhere around 1/10 through 1/15... but these numbers are misleading.

Usually I go through "hot streaks" followed by "dry spells". So I might go weeks swimming in pussy followed by a two month dry spell.

It's not like there's a steady stream of pussy coming in since my motivation to get laid is the biggest factor in pulling girls, and my motivation increases towards the end of a dry spell resulting in a hot streak, whereas my motivation decreases towards the end of a hot streak resulting in the dry spell.

Post: #13

It's always nice to get SNL. The smug smile you give yourself in the bathroom mirror in the club you are in. Agreeing with every stupid thing she says on the way home , just to make sure she crosses your doorstep. Pretending to believe her when she says "I don't normally do this". Or disagreeing when she says "you probably think i'm such a slut"

Post: #14

(06-27-2012 04:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 03:27 PM)ImWaitingForTheMan Wrote:  Forgive me if I'm sounding like an ass, but when you are out at night aren't there better things to do than scoping out the entire place and watching what others are up to?

First off, I feel scanning constantly is going to make you seem like a nervous/skittish person to any girls that see you. Secondly, when I'm out, usually I am focused on whatever girl/group I am talking to at the moment.

If you are out and actually having a good time, I feel like you don't have the time or focus to get a good sample size on what the whole bar/club snl ratio is.

From my angle these things really preclude you from seeing objectively what type of snl activity is going down at a bar, not to mention a major U.S. city.

Wrong... after going out hundreds of times, you'll be able to glance through a room and gather the relevant information without much effort.


In fact, when I do pull a girl, it's even EASIER to see what everyone else is doing, since I'll be bored seducing some chick and it gives me plenty of time to survey the room.

Compare that to when you're not with a girl... you're constantly looking for new girls, switching venues, running game, etc.

So it's opposite; when I'm having a good time I see the room clearly and see what everyone is doing, but when I'm having a bad time I barely pay attention to what other people are doing because I'm too preoccupied with my problems.

Quote:I'd like to ask a variation of this question - of the times that the members here go out, what percentage of the time do you get a SNL? Not just going out to get coffee, but to bars, clubs, etc. where it's known people are there to meet each other and try and hook up.

In my city, it's somewhere around 1/10 through 1/15... but these numbers are misleading.

Usually I go through "hot streaks" followed by "dry spells". So I might go weeks swimming in pussy followed by a two month dry spell.

It's not like there's a steady stream of pussy coming in since my motivation to get laid is the biggest factor in pulling girls, and my motivation increases towards the end of a dry spell resulting in a hot streak, whereas my motivation decreases towards the end of a hot streak resulting in the dry spell.

I suppose it depends on the person. When I'm chatting up a girl for the first time, I tend to purposely ignore the rest of the room to an extent as part of my strategy. This helps me in trying to put out a nonchalant cool guy vibe, and also keeps me focused somewhat on the interaction so I don't slip up and say any stupid stuff that will torpedo my approach.

I agree that when you get further along in the interaction you can loosen up a bit and it's easier to survey the bar. The crucial period is before that, you have to show some degree of attention to hook her, then go more aloof/relaxed for better effect.

I suppose since I am somewhat of a daydreamer I tend not to focus on what everyone else is doing if I'm not mostly engaged in a discussion. So I guess from my perspective it's hard to know whether people are going home with others unless I'm paying way too much attention to them. Seeing a pair leave together sticks out more than separately. Then again you don't really know if they are banging unless you are paying attention to the conversation/body language. People have phones and can always meet up shortly after leaving.

I think it pays more to focus on getting your own snl rather than on what everyone else is doing. The majority of guys aren't even really shooting for that and half of them that are left probably suck at it, so honing your own skills pays handsome dividends versus figuring out what the crowd is up to.

Post: #15

My SNL rate is 1 out of 5-6 nights that I actively go out looking for some with tight logistics which I think is a high number. ( Last years numbers , most of them in FL)

I do screen my targets for DTFness/SNL, Things I screen for as early in the Interaction as possible....

Who's she here with ?

How far she Lives ?

Does she have to drive a friend home ?

Almost all the SNL were single ladies out and about and drinking and giving the DTF vibe from the begining......

Post: #16

(06-27-2012 03:17 PM)slubu Wrote:  I'd like to ask a variation of this question - of the times that the members here go out, what percentage of the time do you get a SNL? Not just going out to get coffee, but to bars, clubs, etc. where it's known people are there to meet each other and try and hook up.

My rate in Vegas is pretty damn high (1/4 or 1/5), but back in CA it's in the low low single digits (1/50). Both are estimates.

Slubu, that is quite an impressive record 1 in 5 times you get a SNL. How about quntify that. How old are you, your looks, and what quality of girls are you pulling? Also anything else you want to tell about your techniques would be appreciated. Thanks!

Post: #17

(06-27-2012 04:41 AM)brianmark Wrote:  Well I know I can sign up for a PUA bootcamp and I can get a SNL every night

huh?

Post: #18

(06-27-2012 05:50 PM)brianmark Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 03:17 PM)slubu Wrote:  I'd like to ask a variation of this question - of the times that the members here go out, what percentage of the time do you get a SNL? Not just going out to get coffee, but to bars, clubs, etc. where it's known people are there to meet each other and try and hook up.

My rate in Vegas is pretty damn high (1/4 or 1/5), but back in CA it's in the low low single digits (1/50). Both are estimates.

Slubu, that is quite an impressive record 1 in 5 times you get a SNL. How about quntify that. How old are you, your looks, and what quality of girls are you pulling? Also anything else you want to tell about your techniques would be appreciated. Thanks!

Note that's limited to Vegas. From my experience, and I am far from any sort of game master or pickup guru, Vegas is hands down the easiest place to pull a SNL. All girls there are there to party and go nuts. They are all on vacation. They are all drunk at a minimum, if not on multiple drugs.

I'm early 30s, I've been told I'm good looking though not to the point where girls open me up, girls range from 5-8 I'd say. I drink a lot and approach a lot and try not to give up. The more I drink the less I care about quality, so thus the 5s (one I actually blacked out and other than seeing the condom the next day had no recollection, but my buddies made sure to tell me of her beauty). I've pulled at 11pm and at 3am and in between, and always from a club.

I approach as much as I can mentally get amped to do. Ironically, most of my lays have come from not having a table, although the hottest one was a table girl. I suit up also. To get them out of the club, I say let's go gamble, then say I'm not lucky in this casino and only have luck at (insert hotel I'm staying at), then say either let's grab a quick drink upstairs or I need to use the bathroom and the casino bathrooms are dirty. We never make it out of the room.

You really don't even need to go to a club, but I find it easier. I've also never talked my way into a bang, and by that I mean it's almost a let it be known you are there to bang vibe. This also comes from being very drunk. Extended conversations have no place in Vegas, nobody cares. Before when I was an idiot, I rode up the elevator at 5am with a girl eating Doritos, and she started feeding them to me, got out on her floor, and she just stood there and gave me a hug. If I had game I would have just invited myself to her room. Point is opportunities are endless in Vegas. Writing this has got me very excited to go back - and I am very happy that I will be there in 2 days.

Post: #19

I think they occur pretty often.

The LMR problem is a lot higher with an SNL than it is when trying to bang on a date though, even a first date.

Most girls just don't want to fuck the first time they meet you, but it still happens plenty.

If you want an SNL, you need to be screening heavily. Look for girls alone, girls doing shots, girls who look bored.

Last call is the most important 30 minutes of the night, many of my SNL's have been from girls I met just before closing who wanted to keep partying, find some way to continue the party, and then work from there.

This is why it's good to keep an unopened bottle of booze in your car, or have a joint on you, or something. BE the afterparty.

Post: #20

(06-27-2012 04:41 AM)brianmark Wrote:  I do not see guys with drunk girls hanging on them. I seldom see them leaving bars arm in arm stumbling down the street. I don't even see them leaving bars romantically holding hands. I see most girls leaving bars in groups of girls and they are sober. I see guys leaving bars in groups of guys. So my conclusion is there is very little SNLs going on.

Keep in mind that many people go to several bars in one night. While you can hit up a basically unlimited number of places while you're out with your main group, you can only leave arm in arm on your way to hook up once per night at maximum (the last time you leave a place). So there's a bit of a selection bias effect there--if you just counted the number of people leaving a bar with a group vs. the number leaving arm in arm with someone of the opposite sex, you'd get a smaller proportion of people hooking up then really exists.

That said, you might just not be hitting up the right bars, or at chiller spots dudes might be pulling without making out at the actual venue. In my city I can name several places that are sloppy makeout-fests several times a week, and several others where it's very rare to visibly see the signs of people hooking up. Your best bet is probably to experiment with new venues and see if you can find the ones where all the slutty girls congregate (they have to be out there--there are sluts everywhere).

Post: #21

Speaking from personal experience, so far I've banged 11 girls since discovering the game, only 1 before.

5 of the 11 were SNLs.
1 I made out with then fucked the next time we met.
3 were social circle -> arrange hangout -> bang
1 was social circle second date
1 was social circle 4th or 5th date

Post: #22

For college age guys like myself I think that they happen pretty frequently. As long as you have: either tight game, or a strong social circle. 18/19 year old girls haven't really encountered game before, so it's not too difficult. And most of my bangs (all game based, cause social circle is gay) come within the first 48 hours of meeting the girl (I don't even do anything special, I just run really basic game). Also I know a lot of guys who are super beta and still get SNL's just because some random girl will approach them and pretty much do all the work (oh and these dudes aren't even that good looking. Think like 6's).

I don't know if it's like this everywhere, but in my neck of the woods most of the dudes (even the more alpha ones) usually just pull using this method. Interestingly enough none of the girls who do the approaches are even bad looking.

I have a theory that as dudes sink into betaness girls will start displaying more "alpha" traits like opening and so forth (note: girls will never actually be alpha and betas should be embarrassed that they are responsible for girls acting like dudes).

Post: #23

(06-27-2012 05:48 PM)Lothario Wrote:  My SNL rate is 1 out of 5-6 nights that I actively go out looking for some with tight logistics which I think is a high number. ( Last years numbers , most of them in FL)

I do screen my targets for DTFness/SNL, Things I screen for as early in the Interaction as possible....

Who's she here with ?

How far she Lives ?

Does she have to drive a friend home ?

Almost all the SNL were single ladies out and about and drinking and giving the DTF vibe from the begining......

That's a pretty high percentage, I'm impressed, I do wonder what the average quality you are pull is though? I find that if I were to be content with 5's my SNL #'s would be a lot higher, I typically go after 7's, but end up with 6's. Right now I feel like I'm cursed by 6's because that's mainly what I've been ending up with. Obviously the sexual market you are gaming in has a huge roll in all of this.

Post: #24

Almost all my bangs are SNL. It's gotten to a point where if a girl doesn't put out on the first night, it's a slim chance that it will happen at all for me (the non-SNLs don't return my texts).

Post: #25

(06-27-2012 09:26 AM)Guacamole Wrote:  I really hope this is a joke, but I can't tell. If it's not a joke, what you say shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt, it should be completely ignored. You can't have an opinion on the frequency of people meeting at bars and hooking up if you don't go to bars or try to hook up.

Not a joke never set foot in a bar or club.Might go out
(alone) sometime this summer...with no expectations.


Anyways...SNL is a myth perpetuated by the PUA industry.It benefits them to have you believe that you can go out and with a tight enough game...you can sleep with a woman the same night that you meet her.
Its along the lines of the "Insta-date" nonsense that some PUAS like
to put forth as being a possibility.

I'm not saying that one night stands don't take place.They most certainly do..for the 1 % of guys who are extremely good looking, charismatic,have great rapport with women and who are able to keep things fun/moving along.

Of course location/circumstances will increase the chance of a SNL taking place;college dorm,spring break,private parties.,etc.