Post: #1

Long term (several years): krakow, Poland or Ukraine(or other Former soviet city)

My only criteria is where I am more likely to find a long term relationship.
I speak Polish fluently and Russian very well.

Which place is easier for finding a girlfriend?

I feel in the Ukraine(and other FSU city), it is still a challenge (ex daygamed 6s/7s and got a 50% success rate today). I think Poland will be more difficult.

Pickup is hard work, no matter which country, but which will be easiest?

Post: #2

Not having a go but if you're asking those kind of questions you will probably struggle anywhere.

Poland is easy and the girls more fun.

Post: #3

Are you still looking for a wife?, or have you come to the dark side now?

For LTR I would say Poland, you speak the language, the chicks there are also more independent and more likely to have their own cash.

Post: #4

(06-18-2012 01:35 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Not having a go but if you're asking those kind of questions you will probably struggle anywhere.

Poland is easy and the girls more fun.

I lived in Poland for 6 months and I've lived in the FSU.
I'm not a master PUA, I'm the typical guy the PUA community is about
I am not looking for a wife now, i'm focusing on LTRs

i am not struggling: 50% number close rate on 6s/7s is definately higher than I used to get.

You say Poland.. why will I have more success in Krakow? many foreigners there, girls are wealthier, exposed to more of the West

I understand both places will still take lots of hard work (I'm working my ass of right now with several hours of approaches each day here in the former soviet union) ---but which place will give me more bangs for the same amount of effort---?

Post: #5

(06-18-2012 03:07 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:35 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Not having a go but if you're asking those kind of questions you will probably struggle anywhere.

Poland is easy and the girls more fun.

I lived in Poland for 6 months and I've lived in the FSU.
I'm not a master PUA, I'm the typical guy the PUA community is about
I am not looking for a wife now, i'm focusing on LTRs

i am not struggling: 50% number close rate on 6s/7s is definately higher than I used to get.

You say Poland.. why will I have more success in Krakow? many foreigners there, girls are wealthier, exposed to more of the West

I understand both places will still take lots of hard work (I'm working my ass of right now with several hours of approaches each day here in the former soviet union) ---but which place will give me more bangs for the same amount of effort---?

What percent were bangs? That's how many you actually got.

Instead maybe put up a post "where is it the hardest to get laid please tell me so I can go there and get shot down so many times I lose count and stop caring about being turned down" then return. That's how you get better!

Post: #6

It depends on personality.For some guys Poland is better for others Ukraine is better.Ukraine is very good if you have tough stomach and no problem eating sh1t.

Post: #7

Well you want the place that is easier for a girlfriend or the place that is easier to rack-up bangs?

Straight up, you should pick the city that you want to live in. The city that will match your career goals, that has a culture that you dig, that matches the type of environment that you are most comfortable with. Anywhere in the Ukraine and Russia is bound to have better looking girls than the West, I don't have exp. with Poland.

If you are living in a city for a long enough time and working on game, you will end up with a girlfriend. Guys that have their shit together, you seem that you do, get noticed in the FSU.

We can sit here and generalize about the minor differences of this or that city, but if you're looking to be somewhere long term you need to consider quality of life as the number 1 criteria. Don't worry about finding a girlfriend, as your game improves girls that you bang will be auditioning for the role.

Post: #8

(06-18-2012 04:34 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Instead maybe put up a post "where is it the hardest to get laid please tell me so I can go there and get shot down so many times I lose count and stop caring about being turned down" then return. That's how you get better!

My wingman just burned out from game after 1 week. He just can't take the rejection. In Nigeria, it was a lot easier for him to get girls.

I've been rejected a lot more than most people are willing to be. I've been working on self-improvement and game for 5 years now.

Most friends I try to get to be my training partners in the gym -give up...its too hard.
Most friends I try to get to be wingmen give up- its too hard.
I suck at game, but I'm still here.
I've only got one life....I have to get as good at this as I possibly can.

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(06-18-2012 05:03 PM)Blunt Wrote:  If you are living in a city for a long enough time and working on game, you will end up with a girlfriend. Guys that have their shit together, you seem that you do, get noticed in the FSU.

I agree, guys that have there shit together get noticed in the FSU. Higher quality girls there and I feel I have better odds at getting them.
I think I would rather live in the FSU than Kraków. However, my father has said that If I don't go to med school in Poland he will disown me and never help me again(he told me not to call him ever again- and he's serious).(Happy Father's day

So, I need to decide where I will live and there's no turning back.

Post: #9

I really liked Poland. It sort of reminds me of USA in early 60's before people became so rude and believed it is strength.

Post: #10

(06-18-2012 03:07 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:35 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Not having a go but if you're asking those kind of questions you will probably struggle anywhere.

Poland is easy and the girls more fun.

I lived in Poland for 6 months and I've lived in the FSU.
I'm not a master PUA, I'm the typical guy the PUA community is about
I am not looking for a wife now, i'm focusing on LTRs

i am not struggling: 50% number close rate on 6s/7s is definately higher than I used to get.

You say Poland.. why will I have more success in Krakow? many foreigners there, girls are wealthier, exposed to more of the West

I understand both places will still take lots of hard work (I'm working my ass of right now with several hours of approaches each day here in the former soviet union) ---but which place will give me more bangs for the same amount of effort---?

When I said you will struggle anywhere it's because you are asking the completely wrong question. You've implied that you are willing to move somewhere for the long term based solely on where you will find it easier to find a girl for an LTR. That means that all the other facets of your life will play second fiddle to your obsession to having an LTR. Is that the kind of mindset that will attract the best quality women who would like the chance to be a part of your life or is that the kind of mindset you see written large on desperate men's faces in night clubs around the world?

As I said in my first post,I'm not having a go at you or hating on you,I've defended you on here and I know it's a struggle for you but if I can play the amateur shrink for a second I would say from reading your posts on here that your confidence not just with women but in yourself is shot to pieces. I don't know why that is. You want a wife,you don't want a wife,you want to study medicine,you don't want to study medicine,you want to live in Belarus for the long term,you're now asking about living in Krakow.....And those questions are always asked in regards to women. What do YOU want to do? Fuck what some woman you've not yet met wants,what do you want?

Your problem with women is not down to you not approaching right,not down to you not escalating quickly,not down to a lack of a wing etc. It's down to you not knowing what you stand for. 99% of your problems with game would probably be fixed if you first concentrated on getting the rest of your life in some kind of order.

So go to Krakow, en-roll in a college and study something you will enjoy and are passionate about,go out and socialise with your friends,go out gaming women and enjoy the opportunity to meet new people,don't think about the outcome,have a good time doing things you like,not things that you think a woman will like or be attracted to and then in time,probably sooner then you think you will meet a girl who really is into you and what you represent and you will, if you so wish,date her for as long as YOU want. The thing is that what happens when you get to that point is that you will have your shit in order and you will put a much higher price on your head and will probably not want an LTR but prefer banging a lot of women.

Come back in 2 years when you've done all that and we'll break down Harem management for you.

Post: #11

I wish that would work, but you see... I can get the rest of my life in order no problem. I can go to med school anywhere... school is easy for me.
I know exactly what I want in Life: a long term relationship and eventually marriage.
For that I need to focus on approaching many women each day and doing so in a country where my odds are the best.

I have all day free today- no dates, no friends, just myself.
I'm going out to the park for the next 5 hours and approach as many girls as I can. After that, I will message girls online, go to sleep, and do it all again tomorrow.

Post: #12

Life is full of surprises. Like you live in Japan and end up with the only hot blonde French woman in the city. Or you pull a "slut" for a SNL at 2am from a club and it turns out she's a virgin. So yeah, try to go somewhere where the odds are more on your side, but don't sweat it too much.

Post: #13

"I can get the rest of my life in order no problem" - do it then.
"I can go to med school anywhere" - do it then.
"school is easy for me" - get on with it then.
"I know exactly what I want in Life: a long term relationship eventually leading to marriage." - why?

You don't seek out an LTR,you fuck a girl,fuck her again,fuck her lots of times in a row and your relationship naturally progresses into an LTR.

Post: #14

my region in East Ukraine has a nice little medical university, two thirds of the students are foreigners, I ve visited the place a few times and I can most certainly say that many of the local girls who attend this university (majority of the locals are girls) are very nice looking, but since you're attending a med school in Poland, you should finish up there and then maybe look into re-locating to the FSU.

one thing you may want to think about, use a girl as your wing, I have a good friend here who's very social, she likes to communicate with everyone, when I am with her it's very easy to meet girls,

Post: #15

(06-19-2012 07:19 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  "I can get the rest of my life in order no problem" - do it then.
"I can go to med school anywhere" - do it then.
"school is easy for me" - get on with it then.
"I know exactly what I want in Life: a long term relationship eventually leading to marriage." - why?

You don't seek out an LTR,you fuck a girl,fuck her again,fuck her lots of times in a row and your relationship naturally progresses into an LTR.

thats what im trying to do.
but i want to decide which country i will do med school in
my main criteria is where my best odds are at fucking a girl

Post: #16

(06-19-2012 07:38 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:19 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  "I can get the rest of my life in order no problem" - do it then.
"I can go to med school anywhere" - do it then.
"school is easy for me" - get on with it then.
"I know exactly what I want in Life: a long term relationship eventually leading to marriage." - why?

You don't seek out an LTR,you fuck a girl,fuck her again,fuck her lots of times in a row and your relationship naturally progresses into an LTR.

thats what im trying to do.
but i want to decide which country i will do med school in
my main criteria is where my best odds are at fucking a girl

So you're deciding where to spend the next 7 years and your future studies on where your best chance of fucking a girl is??! Spartan you will get laid anywhere if you're shit is together,that's the point you are missing.

What is the answer you want to hear?
Will you get laid in Poland? Yup.
Will you get laid in Russia? Yup
Will you get laid in Ukraine? Yup

So now what???

I'm bowing out of this thread Spartan. Good luck.

Post: #17

(06-19-2012 08:12 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:38 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:19 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  "I can get the rest of my life in order no problem" - do it then.
"I can go to med school anywhere" - do it then.
"school is easy for me" - get on with it then.
"I know exactly what I want in Life: a long term relationship eventually leading to marriage." - why?

You don't seek out an LTR,you fuck a girl,fuck her again,fuck her lots of times in a row and your relationship naturally progresses into an LTR.

thats what im trying to do.
but i want to decide which country i will do med school in
my main criteria is where my best odds are at fucking a girl

So you're deciding where to spend the next 7 years and your future studies on where your best chance of fucking a girl is??! Spartan you will get laid anywhere if you're shit is together,that's the point you are missing.

What is the answer you want to hear?
Will you get laid in Poland? Yup.
Will you get laid in Russia? Yup
Will you get laid in Ukraine? Yup

So now what???

I'm bowing out of this thread Spartan. Good luck.

i have also gotten laid in the usa

but which country will be easiest for quality women?

location is extremely important in terms of what results you get.

are you saying Washington DC, Thailand, Nigeria, and Kiev are all the same in terms of ability to land a quality girl??

Post: #18

ok, fine. ill just make up my mind and do it. well see where i stand in a few years

Post: #19

FSU girls are so stunning they tend to drive men manic/crazy, so I'm actually not that surprised by what's going on...






I saw it happen for probably 30-60% of travelers I met when i was there. Suddenly everyone is rethinking their entire lives and wants to move to the FSU/looking for excuses to stay longer. Hell I met dudes that were flat broke and could not buy a plane ticket home.

hopefully you come to your senses.

Think about it, you could easily just move to Poland and visit FSU on weekends to game.

Post: #20

It depends whether you want to study or to fuck.If you want to study go to Germany to get a decent degree.If you want to fuck around,get to Ukraine where you can bribe all exams in university and fuck around.In Poland you will also pass easily but you cannot have the high time you will have in Ukraine.

Post: #21

(06-19-2012 11:17 AM)alphascout Wrote:  

Thanks for introducing me to the delights of Rotfront! That's epic!!

Post: #22

dude, Polish girls are awesome, you might have a better chance with Polish girls, since you are sort of local.

Post: #23

(06-26-2012 12:47 AM)keepreal Wrote:  dude, Polish girls are awesome, you might have a better chance with Polish girls, since you are sort of local.

I dunno... I'm liking girls further east a lot more now. Perhaps I've just talked myself into thinking its easier here or the girls are prettier.

What do you guys think, are Polish girls really that friendly and pretty?

Post: #24

(06-19-2012 11:17 AM)alphascout Wrote:  I saw it happen for probably 30-60% of travelers I met when i was there. Suddenly everyone is rethinking their entire lives and wants to move to the FSU/looking for excuses to stay longer.

happened to Roosh too, haha.

Post: #25

Slavic girls are Slavic girls, they are hot and pretty good LTR material anywhere u go(Poland is probably better than other places, because of low divorce rate and catholic tradition). Ask yourself, are u having better chance in Poland or Ukraine, how do u feel in fit in better and/or have higher status/value in which of the places? You know you should fuck a lot, ask questions later.