Post: #476

(12-01-2018 03:34 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 03:25 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 09:34 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  ^^how tall? Makes a big difference.

If he's in shape, what does his height matter? Even if he were 5'0, what would be better? For him to be short and fat or short and in shape? Let's control what we can control.

That's precisely why i didn't respond. Some of these fellas are just looking for a reason to be lazy. There have been any number of men under 5'10 on this thread expressing how much a physique has helped.

So, I have a very good physique, been training for 12 years. I was just curious if you were 6'4" or something, because if you were at your weight at 5'10" or below it would look way too overblown.

I'm not the type of person you have alluded to in your post, just fyi

Post: #477

(12-01-2018 04:13 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 03:34 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 03:25 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 09:34 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  ^^how tall? Makes a big difference.

If he's in shape, what does his height matter? Even if he were 5'0, what would be better? For him to be short and fat or short and in shape? Let's control what we can control.

That's precisely why i didn't respond. Some of these fellas are just looking for a reason to be lazy. There have been any number of men under 5'10 on this thread expressing how much a physique has helped.

So, I have a very good physique, been training for 12 years. I was just curious if you were 6'4" or something, because if you were at your weight at 5'10" or below it would look way too overblown.

I'm not the type of person you have alluded to in your post, just fyi

My apologies brother, im 6'3. To me this dude has the perfect physique. he's super lean, thick and lanky. I'm almost certain he's on something though.

Post: #478

So What do you think of this guy ?

Post: #479

The exact type of physique is irrelevant in my opinion. As long as you're fit and it shows over clothing, regardless how big you are, you're going to get attention and attraction passively.

Of course women have their preference, but I think counting muscle in kg/lbs and body fat % is mostly for us.

Post: #480

I see a lot of comments saying height trumps all. From my personal experience short dudes with chiselled bodies have always got way better looking girls than lanky awkward looking tall men.

Overweight tall guys do seem to do better than overweight short guys though.

Post: #481

(12-01-2018 05:03 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  So What do you think of this guy ?

This thread is turning fruity hahahaha

Post: #482

A good physique should be a supplement to your game.

You can't rely on your body to pull women.

However, Trent W is accurate in the sense that having a physique that can be seen through good fitted clothing does help.

You can have a body like a fitness model, but, if it doesn't show through your clothes, nobody will know that you have an 8 pack.

Typically, size will triumph tone in the battle of attracting women when you are out on the town.

If you are shorter, having a stocky build will assist you in your game. If you are taller, such as myself, you will need to lift heavy, and eat more than 4 meals a day if you want to get bigger. But, height itself is already an advantage.

When you lift, you need to set measurable and realistic goals for yourself.


I went through a very bad time in my life where I was drinking heavily and going through a depressive state.

I finally got my head out of my ass a few months ago and have been training harder than I ever did when I was a collegiate athlete. Finally recovered that passion I longed for after years of abusing my body.

The diet has been restricted, the weights have been heavy, and the discipline has been constant.

My body has undergone a transformation that I didn't think was possible in such a short time. My body is much more toned, bigger, harder, and flexible.

Goals have been set, AND I WILL ACHIEVE THEM.

Having a great physique always helps with attracting women, but do it for yourself. Put yourself on the right path to a healthy lifestyle and stay mentally tough to maintain it.

Post: #483

(12-01-2018 09:34 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 05:03 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  So What do you think of this guy ?

This thread is turning fruity hahahaha

Yup. Getting SUS.

Post: #484

(12-01-2018 05:03 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  So What do you think of this guy ?

I'm not a woman, but I think that guy you posted has the kinda of physique that is 1000% a net positive and nothing ever ever ever will be said negative about your physique from a woman. I think my ideal physique of Javon Kearse's really excites a woman though. Discounting his height and weight, dude just is aesthetic as hell yet big ass hell yet doesn't look like a try hard in clothes. Not that you should care what bitches think to that extent, but in a split second this is my hypothesis

Post: #485

@Anchorman This is the type of body that caters to the majority of women I think. Proportionate, toned but not too big.

Post: #486

(12-02-2018 03:40 AM)ISR92 Wrote:  @Anchorman This is the type of body that caters to the majority of women I think. Proportionate, toned but not too big.

Show me some nattys here that are 'too big'. 99 percent of you nattys here will never get 'too big'.

Post: #487

At 6'3, I get almost zero attention from girls. And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I'm only 165 lbs. I have a friend who is the same height but at 230 lbs. Not chiseled or anything but BIG. He gets tons of IOIs. I think there is a lesson there - if you're tall, get bigger. I'm working on that right now.

Post: #488

Game > physique

I’ve seen this way too often. In fact, it seems as though the more of an adonis a guy is, the more likely he is to have absolute shit patter.

It’s like their physique overcompensates for them actually honing their gaming skills.

I’m 6’3, 14.5 stone. Not ripped, but I rock a mean fady 4-pack lol. My chat is what does it for me. I look good naked too; but God obviously decided that giving me alpha ripped bod would probably turn me into a prick

Post: #489

Biggest reason I always say to get shredded is because for a lot of guys it brings out their cheekbones/jawline. Night and day difference

That being said, this physique gets me a lot of IOIs on dating apps. I'm 5'8'' 130lb in this pic, but that's why I say to get shredded. People hold a lot more fat than they think.

I do concur that it only matters for online game. IRL game, unless you look way bigger than most dudes, and you wear fitted clothes, physique won't do you much good. Lots of guys out there are fat as hell but have a naturally big frame so unless you're bigger than those types of people, physique is just another part of your repertoire. Games trumps it, IMO.

But I do believe that the facial changes you see with low bodyfat trumps game, any day. Face > all

Post: #490

The comment was made that other men respect the work you put in when you are certain size.

I disagree with that statement, other men realize you can fuck them up simply based on your size and how you train in the gym.

Quaker13 has stated at 230llbs and 13% body fat, he is gaming women in easy mode. I have no doubt he is telling the truth, I know guys in good shape who are close to that weight and they aren't complaining about women. If you can show me otherwise, then I am all ears.

Being 130llbs is far too light for a man, you can get pushed over very easily. I know sexy fit girls who are almost that weight, they wouldn't deal with a guy who is the same size as them.

Your height and face are things you cannot change, your body can be changed with regular exercise and watching what you eat.

I think we can all agree, women all have their preference as to what type of guys they like. There is no one type fits all model, just like if you ask certain guys on here who they find attractive. I am sure you would get many different answers.

Post: #491

I have a top 1% body with 8-10% bf year round natty, and i can tell you with certainty that a nice physique does have a big impact on how girls perceive you. But the thing most people can't seem to grasp is, a good physique doesn't automatically get you girls. You still have to game them well. What a good physique does though is that it opens up some more doors for you, that you wouldn't have had if you were skinny/fat/average. You get more clear IOI's from girls and looks that make you want to open sets easier. I have girls obliviously eye fuck me during night game when im wearing a deep round neck t-shirt for the upper pecs to show. It happens often.

Nowadays you have more and more guys hitting the gym and lifting is literally the first step if you want to raise your SMV. But a lot of guys don't have the commitment and dedication to stick with a strict diet 7x days a week and train 7x days a week and meanwhile stay away from drugs and alcohol. So when you're in the top 1% bracket you get attention like crazy. But for me, i don't get attention from the kind of girl that im looking for. I get attention from the more slutty girls, that want to fuck you for your body, not your face or personality. Girls that are up for raw sex and excitement, one night stands, adventure sex etc, if you're into that.

There was this one girl 2 weeks ago at the club that claimed she had a boyfriend after i opened her up and we had a good chat for 5 minutes. I figured it's was a lie and she just got bored of me quickly or lost interest. I said fine, before i leave, follow me on Instagram, we should train together someday, i need a partner for leg days (we were talking about the gym and squats earlier). She opened it up, followed me and things took a sudden turn. She went from cold to receptive after seeing my pics at the pool/gym. "Wow is that really you?" we talked a little further and 10 minutes into the conversation she started talking about sex out of the blue saying that she has always wanted to get dominated by a strong guy. Wait a second, i thought she had a boyfriend? Now she's claiming they're in an 'open' relationship. Huh, that's funny.

This shit happens all the time. I've tried experimenting with this. I don't usually wear tight t-shirts and show off too much, i am very humble about my body, so often im wearing a baggier long sleeve shirt so there's nothing to be seen. But when i started wearing slim-fit t-shirts and shirt fitted around the chest it was like jumping up +2 points in SMV. I would get stares and girl 'accidentally' bump into me on the dance floor so they could touch me, it was obvious, but i enjoyed it, i found it funny how girls did these tricks.

I think a good physique is somewhat equivalent to a pretty face. You can get away with more stupid shit and it will be tolerated. You can fuck up more without losing your lead. But when that's said, there's a big difference between a GOOD physique and a GREAT physique. I think a lot of people have good physiques, but in order to have a great physique, you'll either need to take steroids or have superior genetics. My face is a 5/10, so im lucky i got born with somewhat good body genetics, otherwise, i would have been fucked.

The only downside of such physique is that it amplifies the insecurities in shy girls. The past 2 girls i slept with both said this and it pissed me off, one of them was shy to take off her bra and the other her clothes in front of me at first because "look at you, and then look at me, why would you want someone with my body?" where i had to explain for 20 minutes that it didn't bother me and that i wanted to be with her because of her personality and because i liked her, not because of her body. I keep finding myself trying to explain to them that i don't need you to have a supermodel body, that's unrealistic body images the porn industry and Instagram models starving themselves to death put out to the mainstream media. I don't think shallow like that. I know what a normal female body looks like, it's not perfect, it has some flaws, perhaps a little stomach fat here and there, so what.

Also did an experiment when i first moved out here to study at college, where i setup different tinder profiles. One of them i had 3 pictures, 2 of them shirtless and one with friends, and the other profile had 2 normal pictures and one with friends. The profile with the body pictures got 205 matches in 1 week (can provide screenshots of messages, had a ton of horny girls messaging me asking to meet up). While the other profile of mine with normal pictures of me only got 37 matches and only a few girls initiating the conversation. This was all earlier in 2018. I don't know if it's because Tinder is catering to the sex and one night stand market right now, or why the difference is so big.

Shirtless pics - 205 matches / 7 days = 29.2 matches a day.
Normal pics - 37 matches / 7 = 5.2 matches a day

I would literally run douchebag game and open girls up with "sit on my face" or "can i eat your ass" just for the fun of it. A minority of girls got offended and deleted me, but to my surprise, the majority thought i was "funny" or "cute" despite being an asshole. A few even wanted me to come over and "eat them out". No anti slut defense, no nothing.

Post: #492

(12-02-2018 05:57 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Biggest reason I always say to get shredded is because for a lot of guys it brings out their cheekbones/jawline. Night and day difference

That being said, this physique gets me a lot of IOIs on dating apps. I'm 5'8'' 130lb in this pic, but that's why I say to get shredded. People hold a lot more fat than they think.

I do concur that it only matters for online game. IRL game, unless you look way bigger than most dudes, and you wear fitted clothes, physique won't do you much good. Lots of guys out there are fat as hell but have a naturally big frame so unless you're bigger than those types of people, physique is just another part of your repertoire. Games trumps it, IMO.

But I do believe that the facial changes you see with low bodyfat trumps game, any day. Face > all

Id like to "tug a piece" of that

Post: #493

@ fritat
Could you post a pic of your physique or one similar ?

Post: #494

(12-02-2018 06:37 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The comment was made that other men respect the work you put in when you are certain size.

I disagree with that statement, other men realize you can fuck them up simply based on your size and how you train in the gym.

Quaker13 has stated at 230llbs and 13% body fat, he is gaming women in easy mode. I have no doubt he is telling the truth, I know guys in good shape who are close to that weight and they aren't complaining about women. If you can show me otherwise, then I am all ears.

Being 130llbs is far too light for a man, you can get pushed over very easily. I know sexy fit girls who are almost that weight, they wouldn't deal with a guy who is the same size as them.

Your height and face are things you cannot change, your body can be changed with regular exercise and watching what you eat.

I think we can all agree, women all have their preference as to what type of guys they like. There is no one type fits all model, just like if you ask certain guys on here who they find attractive. I am sure you would get many different answers.

I don't know if other guys are intimidated because of a persons' physique. At least for me, bigger guys were some of the nicest and down to earth people I knew, because they had nothing to prove. I was never intimidated.

At work especially, I work with a guy that is probably 6'2'' 240lbs (fat but big frame), has the deepest voice out of anyone, and he's masculine as fuck. But he's a genuinely good guy and I have zero fear of him because of his size (granted he is 55 or so, but still).

The most intimidating guys to me are the ones that are way bigger and have the demeanor/looks that come with it. For example, another guy at my work is 6'5'', 260lbs, shaved head, beard, muscular physique, in his early 50's, he was an ex marine (or something army related, maybe special forces). Dude is very calm and stoic but he has a face that basically says that if you fuck with him, he'll rip you in half. He does not look away from your eyes when you talk to him, he hardly ever smiles. Gives me the chills.

To me, intimidation comes more from personality/body language than size.



As for your comment about being 130lbs, women didn't care. My face trumped everything at that bodyfat level. That being said, I didn't like being that small, which is why I'm bulking. Plan is to be that lean at 170.

Post: #495

(12-02-2018 07:45 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  As for your comment about being 130lbs, women didn't care. My face trumped everything at that bodyfat level. That being said, I didn't like being that small, which is why I'm bulking. Plan is to be that lean at 170.

If women don't care, why not stay at 130.

I can tell you being at 215 as opposed to 195 made a big difference in how women interacted with me, even hitting the magical 200 made a difference.

Firat113 - good post my man, but I see you are in Norway. Women there are a lot different than women where I live.

Post: #496

@ tugofpeace
Is it relatively easy to maintain this body fat ?

Post: #497

I began starting strength novice linear progression seven months ago. Moved on eventually to intermediate programming.

I started out at 185 pounds, athletic, very low fat percentage with broad shoulders (I'm 6'2) and finished the linear progression at 220 pounds, muscular. Of course I added a little fat, but it has spread out nicely, abs are still visible. Now I leaned out to 215.

I don't game actively back home since I live with my LTR, but what I can say is that eye contact, girls staring at me, IOI have increased dramatically everywhere. I really don't go out a lot but the last few times I was at a bar I was opened by a girl 1 time out of 2.

Post: #498

(12-02-2018 08:09 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  @ tugofpeace
Is it relatively easy to maintain this body fat ?

Easy is subjective, what's easy for me may not be easy for you. To get to that level I did some very difficult cardio, strict dieting (weighed food down to the gram), and cut out my social life.

To maintain it requires daily commitment to a diet - the same discipline that gets you there has to be sustained in order to stay there. If you drink, skip workouts, and screw around, then no, you won't maintain it.

Quote:I began starting strength novice linear progression seven months ago. Moved on eventually to intermediate programming.

This is such a great program. I did it when I first started lifting, and plan on doing it again. It's genius - people say it's not good for hypertrophy, but it worked very well for me. Most people follow some kind of bro split and don't realize that they're training too many body parts at once and not giving enough time/rest for recovery. SS focus on a few lifts that target the biggest muscles followed with lots of time for rest/recovery, and as a result, the biggest parts of your body grow. I'm running another 11 weeks starting today, before I resume cutting down.

Post: #499

This is what a lean 225-230 looks like in a suit. As you can see I don't look like a roid freak or anything. Although have dabbled it was nothing serious and im not ashamed of it. Also, excuse the my short tie. Just left the gym and didn't feel like retying it

Post: #500