Post: #1

Disclosure: This is more of a data sheet or observation based thread based upon my experiences living in Miami and NYC. Some of these concepts may not be applicable to your geographic area.


One issue or something i've come across and learned living in Miami is that when dealing with the flyest/hottest girls, INTELLIGENCE is what gets them wet. However it is a difficult balancing act. You have to be intelligent but witty. You can't continually be philosophical and articulate without coming off as a pretentious bastard. You have to find subtle ways to demonstrate you're better than them not just socially, but mentally as well.

I've found that watching californication before I go out gets me in this mindset. Hank Moody has the wittiness in conjunction with the loquaciousness of a well-versed writer that almagamates into a talented/disaster persona which just makes the beautiful girls melt.

The key is to make them feel inadequate, questioning their value, and that they should be grateful that they are in your presence and worthy of your time, WHILE at the same time making them laugh. I've had some of these models tell me "I learn something new from you everyday". They are so used to beta orbiters just complimenting them telling them how beautiful they are. I tell these girls from the beginning that I've dated models before, and I'm more interested in their substance than their beauty.

Another factor worth mentioning is the sex. The first time you fuck one of these models better be a july 4 type of performance. The sex has to be mind-blowing, you have to leave her quivering with her heels still on. Awaken the sexual vixen within them so to speak.

Once you've blown a 9s mind in the sack, keeping her on the hook is probably the next hardest thing to pull off. I've found that creating nicknames for her, inside jokes between the two of you, and always being unpredictable and spontaneous are a few things that keep these creatures with puppy-like attention spans at bay.

Any imput regarding keeping these level of chicks on the hook is helpful as I'm still troubleshooting some of the finer points.

Post: #2

One issue or something i've come across and learned living in Miami is that when dealing with the flyest/hottest girls, INTELLIGENCE is what gets them wet

Not likely...

Post: #3

Intelligence beyond good conversational skills does not get you laid. I really don't see where you're going with this:

WasThisBeta Wrote:However it is a difficult balancing act. You have to be intelligent but witty. You can't continually be philosophical and articulate without coming off as a pretentious bastard. You have to find subtle ways to demonstrate you're better than them not just socially, but mentally as well.

This shit is just going to go over their heads.

Post: #4

Keyboard jockey posing as "intermediate to advanced" player is starting to get on my nerves.

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Post: #6

While I wouldn't say it work for all "9s and 10s in Miami", WasThisBeta is right--there is a fair-sized group of women who find the knowledge (not the constant demonstration!) that a partner is very intelligent rather appealing. You'd be an absolute fool to launch into a discussion of thermodynamics, but a good vocabulary, diverse knowledge, and ability to make varied cultural references can go a long way. It's the conversational equivalent of a custom suit; consider it a high-class version of cocky/funny.

Post: #7

(05-09-2012 12:01 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Keyboard jockey posing as "intermediate to advanced" player is starting to get on my nerves.

Nice.

Post: #8

Quote:I've found that watching californication before I go out gets me in this mindset. Hank Moody has the wittiness in conjunction with the loquaciousness of a well-versed writer that almagamates into a talented/disaster persona which just makes the beautiful girls melt.

Using words like this you better stay in your hipster niche to get laid because no one outside your USA university study group is gonna understand what you are saying.

Not that i think you are getting laid anyway.

Nice stealing of Roissy's poon commandments with your "advice" of fucking her good.

Now be a good beta boy and leave this forum and never return

Post: #9

He uses Latin and Greek words.By me he is fully understod.

Post: #10

(05-09-2012 02:46 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  He uses Latin and Greek words.By me he is fully understod.

Maybe Wasthisbeta can be your wingman.

Post: #11

Read below.

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Game isn't going to get you 9's.

If it did, where are the pictures?

HUNDREDS of "PUA's" and "pick-up coaches" and thousands of "gamers."

Where are all these dorky, short, poor guys with 9's?

The effort in getting a 6, 7, 8, and 9 is exponential.

Game alone will get you a 6 and some 7's.

That's why some guys who started running conventional game ultimately disagree with other guys.

I'm the first to admit that game is GREAT for pulling 6's and 7's.

Yet I'm also the first to admit that game is NOT going to get you many 8's and will probably never get you a 9.

So am I anti-game? No. I'm just anti-unrealistic expectations.

An 8 is 100 times harder than pulling a 6, and 10 times harder than pulling a 7.

Is a "gamer" with "game" more interesting and entertaining than a guy with a villa and who flies first class or by private jet?

Because that's the choice 8's (and especially 9's) are presented with.

Even guys with swagger and confidence will tell you that getting with 9's are rare.

To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money - and you'd better be willing to spread both around.

Post: #12

(05-09-2012 03:39 AM)Seduction Sutra Wrote:  Read below.

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Game isn't going to get you 9's.

If it did, where are the pictures?

HUNDREDS of "PUA's" and "pick-up coaches" and thousands of "gamers."

Where are all these dorky, short, poor guys with 9's?

The effort in getting a 6, 7, 8, and 9 is exponential.

Game alone will get you a 6 and some 7's.

That's why some guys who started running conventional game ultimately disagree with other guys.

I'm the first to admit that game is GREAT for pulling 6's and 7's.

Yet I'm also the first to admit that game is NOT going to get you many 8's and will probably never get you a 9.

So am I anti-game? No. I'm just anti-unrealistic expectations.

An 8 is 100 times harder than pulling a 6, and 10 times harder than pulling a 7.

Is a "gamer" with "game" more interesting and entertaining than a guy with a villa and who flies first class or by private jet?

Because that's the choice 8's (and especially 9's) are presented with.

Even guys with swagger and confidence will tell you that getting with 9's are rare.

To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money - and you'd better be willing to spread both around.

Post: #13

Game is what you put into it.

You want to get laid. Approach many girls and actually use the shit we talk about here.

You want hot babes. Approach lots of girls, use the shit we talk about here, get them and then come back and tell us how you did it.

To me, game is just what you do to get what you want. There is no game/everything is game - It's just life.

I will tell you one thing. I've been reading/thinking my ass off, going out more than three times a week, opening girls in the subway, etc. and I can get 5s pretty easily now.

But, that's not what I want. I've been getting glimpses of the hotter girls on the horizon though. I'm just worried that they are going to try to take advantage of me somehow (I'm not rich, but they might try to make a baby).

Post: #14

(05-09-2012 03:59 AM)soup Wrote:  There is no game. It's just life.

Exactly. Stop calling it "game". You're going out to be social and meet people.

9's and 10's are no harder than 7's and 8's, it's just your mindset thinking your life problems will be solved if you can be with a 10.

Sometimes 9's and 10's get approached less and are extremely lonely.

Post: #15

(05-09-2012 04:05 AM)loverboyy Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 03:59 AM)soup Wrote:  There is no game. It's just life.

Exactly. Stop calling it "game". You're going out to be social and meet people.

9's and 10's are no harder than 7's and 8's, it's just your mindset thinking your life problems will be solved if you can be with a 10.

Sometimes 9's and 10's get approached less and are extremely lonely.

10s don't exist. Women get old. They get fat. An 8 becomes a 5. A 9 becomes a 5 or less as she ages. 10s are the perfect woman that no woman will ever live up to. They are mythological creatures.

The importance of the 10 is to knock 'hot' girls down. No hot girl will ever live up to perfection. Therefore, she is not a 10.

Post: #16

(05-08-2012 07:32 PM)WasThisBeta Wrote:  One issue or something i've come across and learned living in Miami is that when dealing with the flyest/hottest girls, INTELLIGENCE is what gets them wet.

I've found that watching californication before I go out gets me in this mindset. Hank Moody has the wittiness in conjunction with the loquaciousness of a well-versed writer that almagamates into a talented/disaster persona which just makes the beautiful girls melt.

I'm sooooo wet right now!

But honestly, pics or it didn't happen. How many 9s and 10s have you landed? I am much more likley to side with MikeCF on this one.

Post: #17

(05-09-2012 04:54 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  But honestly, pics or it didn't happen. How many 9s and 10s have you landed? I am much more likley to side with MikeCF on this one.

He could be using a 20 scale. A 9/20 or 10/20 which would of course be a 4 or 5 to us

Post: #18

(05-09-2012 04:05 AM)loverboyy Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 03:59 AM)soup Wrote:  There is no game. It's just life.

Exactly. Stop calling it "game". You're going out to be social and meet people.

9's and 10's are no harder than 7's and 8's, it's just your mindset thinking your life problems will be solved if you can be with a 10.

Sometimes 9's and 10's get approached less and are extremely lonely.

That's a myth spread by TV and Hollywood. In reality it's the complete opposite.

I agree with MikeCF, but he leaves forgets that it also depends on how strong somebodies game is as well. There's a huge difference one can observe between a guy whose been doing it for 10 years (10,000 hours = mastery?) and is an experienced coach and a guy whose been doing it for three or four years.

Post: #19

To quote Houellebecq:

Quote: “The terrible predicament of a beautiful girl is that only an experienced womanizer, someone cynical and without scruple, feels up to the challenge. More often than not, she will lose her virginity to some filthy lowlife in what proves to be the first step in an irrevocable decline.”

Although I take exception to being called a filthy lowlife

Hot girls do get approached plenty. I think the reason they complain about men being intimidated is that they have high standards and often don't suffer ham-handed bumbling approaches well. There's a window of opportunity in their teens when very pretty girls may not fully understand their beauty. Often they date betas their own age who may never again in their whole life get to fuck someone as hot. But this soon changes with experience and the way very pretty women instinctively understand their own beauty and the value it has.

Post: #20

(05-08-2012 08:49 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  One issue or something i've come across and learned living in Miami is that when dealing with the flyest/hottest girls, INTELLIGENCE is what gets them wet

Not likely...

Agree. This is bullshit. As someone with a bit of experience with models and being somewhat intellectual, whenever I've heard something like that it's been in conjunction with a friend zoning. They may enjoy the banter but it's not getting them wet.

Like all very hot girls they usually respond best to game heavy on the teasing and the emotional roller coaster.

MikeCF - it's not all about money for these girls. Maybe in LA it is. But artsy status and hipster cred will get a lot of dudes just as far with the fashion models. I've seen plenty of pro models dating broke ass photographers and no-name artists in NYC and London.

One 19 year old girl was even supporting her 27 year old loser photographer boyfriend with her model earnings. Granted, he did have something to offer in that he would take pictures of her outfits every day and photoshop the pics for her blog.

My point is that while it takes more than just tight game with these girls status depends on context and can be hacked.

Post: #21

(05-09-2012 08:18 AM)Caligula Wrote:  MikeCF - it's not all about money for these girls. Maybe in LA it is. But artsy status and hipster cred will get a lot of dudes just as far with the fashion models. I've seen plenty of pro models dating broke ass photographers and no-name artists in NYC and London.

One 19 year old girl was even supporting her 27 year old loser photographer boyfriend with her model earnings. Granted, he did have something to offer in that he would take pictures of her outfits every day and photoshop the pics for her blog.

This is a good point. If you get a chick when she is young, I.E. 16-19, she may fall hard for you. If you are her first, or one of her first, you may be able to keep her on the line forever, even if she is a super hot model and you're a broke ass dude. Think Robert DeNiros wife in Casino and the loser she is in love with. Obviously this is fiction, but I think it can hold true in some situations.

Post: #22

I find it funny that the ones who are complaining about wasthisbeta being a troll are trolling all his threads brutally. He is making relevant threads and instead of letting him contribute, you guys are trying to prove your alphaness over him on an internet forum. FWIW I know wasthisbeta in real life and he does pull hot girls and definitely has some valuable stuff to contribute....

Post: #23

(05-09-2012 11:57 AM)Prince of Poundtown Wrote:  I find it funny that the ones who are complaining about wasthisbeta being a troll are trolling all his threads brutally. He is making relevant threads and instead of letting him contribute, you guys are trying to prove your alphaness over him on an internet forum. FWIW I know wasthisbeta in real life and he does pull hot girls and definitely has some valuable stuff to contribute....

We're just calling him out on dropping data that's weak at best and straight up misleading at worst. No need to make this personal.

Post: #24

(05-09-2012 11:57 AM)Prince of Poundtown Wrote:  I find it funny that the ones who are complaining about wasthisbeta being a troll are trolling all his threads brutally. He is making relevant threads and instead of letting him contribute, you guys are trying to prove your alphaness over him on an internet forum. FWIW I know wasthisbeta in real life and he does pull hot girls and definitely has some valuable stuff to contribute....

Are you sure you're not him?

From another thread:

(05-08-2012 11:56 AM)Prince of Poundtown Wrote:  He is the creator of an epic thread. Let the man live

Post: #25

Currently studying for my last law school exam, but later tonight I will post a complete rundown of how i pulled the last 3 models.