Post: #1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04...04376.html

Quote:Search no further, gold diggers -- San Francisco is the number one city to find a Sugar Daddy, with more lonely millionaires per capita than any other United States city (yes, even more than Los Angeles and New York).

Seeking Arrangement, which proudly flaunts its standing as the largest “sugar daddy dating website” in the world, recently conducted a study based on five years of self-reported data from its members. San Francisco came out on top of the list of cities with the most sugar daddies, with 3.51 for every 1,000 men.

"Sugar dating," the symbiotic relationship between millionaire and significantly younger beneficiary, is the fastest growing dating trend in the nation.

Interesting how fast this trend is growing. I guess this is due to the shitty economy that is hitting men harder than women combined with increased hypergamy due to women's gains in the workplace.

Post: #2

Dang....need to swoop me some millionaire lizards.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #3

(04-06-2012 01:02 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04...04376.html

Quote:Search no further, gold diggers -- San Francisco is the number one city to find a Sugar Daddy, with more lonely millionaires per capita than any other United States city (yes, even more than Los Angeles and New York).

Seeking Arrangement, which proudly flaunts its standing as the largest “sugar daddy dating website” in the world, recently conducted a study based on five years of self-reported data from its members. San Francisco came out on top of the list of cities with the most sugar daddies, with 3.51 for every 1,000 men.

"Sugar dating," the symbiotic relationship between millionaire and significantly younger beneficiary, is the fastest growing dating trend in the nation.

Interesting how fast this trend is growing. I guess this is due to the shitty economy that is hitting men harder than women combined with increased hypergamy due to women's gains in the workplace.

Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

Post: #4

Quote:The average monthly allowance for a sugar daddy’s sugar baby is $4,357.

Damn...

Post: #5

(04-06-2012 04:04 AM)Vice Wrote:  

Quote:The average monthly allowance for a sugar daddy’s sugar baby is $4,357.

Damn...

Just for having a pussy. Next time a chick complains about the glass ceiling or the "gender gap" in pay, I'm going to use that statistic. Like I used to say before, "there's nothing I can liquidate on a moment's notice that readily and make thousands of dollars on. Call it what you want, but you have a luxury that I simply can never count on."

Post: #6

(04-06-2012 01:25 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

They are pretty dorky, but the bigger problem is that SF doesn't have many industries attracting cute girls, while also being very expensive. LA has fashion, entertainment, Hollywood, beaches and a scene overall that appeals to attractive women. SF's got none of that. Plus, chicks prefer cool rich guys to dorky rich guys.

With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

Post: #7

(06-04-1970 03:48 AM)basilransom

They are pretty dorky, but t[b' Wrote:  he bigger problem is that SF doesn't have many industries attracting cute girls[/b], while also being very expensive. LA has fashion, entertainment, Hollywood, beaches and a scene overall that appeals to attractive women. SF's got none of that. Plus, chicks prefer cool rich guys to dorky rich guys.

So true. Being involved in tech, I spent time there...the best you could hope for was some cute Spanish or Israeli gals coming in from overseas start ups. Really amazing.

From an evolutionary perspective this is incredible...has there ever been a bigger disconnect in human history between money and women? SF/Silicon Valley throws alot of wrenches into biological arguments once held as airtight.

One of the funniest things I've seen was an international meeting of a famous multinational tech firm... when the South American women arrive, dudes start salivating like dogs tied to a post with a FAT steaming steak 4 feet away. These are 5-7s in Brazil and Argentina, yet with this crowd they're all supermodels. I'm not kidding. It's all relative.

One other funny thing about SF- its also the biggest concentration in the US of inherited money, ANOTHER factor that makes them soft.

Post: #8

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 01:25 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

Yup. Maybe the next company I'm involved with we'll bring in Mixx or someone to learn these guys up. They read game stuff on the internet and are aware of it, but no companies act on it.

Post: #9

(04-06-2012 11:54 AM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 01:25 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

Yup. Maybe the next company I'm involved with we'll bring in Mixx or someone to learn these guys up. They read game stuff on the internet and are aware of it, but no companies act on it.

I'm going to troll the sugardaddy site and look for an angle for easy lays.

Post: #10

(04-06-2012 11:48 AM)46. Wrote:  From an evolutionary perspective this is incredible...has there ever been a bigger disconnect in human history between money and women? SF/Silicon Valley throws alot of wrenches into biological arguments once held as airtight.

Yeah, if cute chicks were perfectly rational about their choice in men, they'd be flying in by the boatload to go husband hunting in SF. Hot girls nowadays don't mount a comprehensive search to find their prince - they settle for whoever is around. So having access to hot girls, in intimate social settings, is a huge factor in your results.

I'd put money on some mid-level dude in fashion or entertainment over a tech millionaire (under $5 mil), for who'd slay more and better pussy.

These tech startups try to be as lean as possible, and your run of the mill cute girls don't add any value.

Post: #11

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 01:25 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

They are pretty dorky, but the bigger problem is that SF doesn't have many industries attracting cute girls, while also being very expensive. LA has fashion, entertainment, Hollywood, beaches and a scene overall that appeals to attractive women. SF's got none of that. Plus, chicks prefer cool rich guys to dorky rich guys.

With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

When given the choice, women will tend to chase status over wealth.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if tech firms don't already do that. I know, for instance, that at certain business schools, so few women recruit for investment banking that just about any woman who tries will get a job offer.

Post: #12

(04-06-2012 11:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  I'm going to troll the sugardaddy site and look for an angle for easy lays.

You are the Man, no question about it. I can see the Ascot-on-Boat pictures now...

(04-06-2012 11:58 AM)basilransom Wrote:  So having access to hot girls, in intimate social settings, is a huge factor in your results.

I'd put money on some mid-level dude in fashion or entertainment over a tech millionaire (under $5 mil), for who'd slay more and better pussy.

For sure. This really proves markets are not efficient, and the world is not flat. My dumb friends in sports/entertainment are having a MUCH funner time than my genius friends in tech. It's like when they asked John Dillinger why he robbed banks, to which he replied "That's where the money is."

Post: #13

(04-06-2012 12:26 PM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  I'm going to troll the sugardaddy site and look for an angle for easy lays.

You are the Man, no question about it. I can see the Ascot-on-Boat pictures now...

Yeah, made me think of a thread idea for the game forum, of ways to fake being rich to increase your close rate, or whether it would.

At the end of the day, you're going out somewhere and trying to convince a girl to come home with you, or for her to invite you into her home. Girls don't have a strong sense of how much money you have, except by what you tell them - your age, your job, your family, where you live. There are also people who lead normal lives yet have lots of money in the bank. If you could create the appearance of being that type, without actually having to spend any serious dough, it could be interesting.

But I've always felt that access is the biggest limiting factor, not money.

(04-06-2012 12:26 PM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:58 AM)basilransom Wrote:  So having access to hot girls, in intimate social settings, is a huge factor in your results.

I'd put money on some mid-level dude in fashion or entertainment over a tech millionaire (under $5 mil), for who'd slay more and better pussy.

For sure. This really proves markets are not efficient, and the world is not flat. My dumb friends in sports/entertainment are having a MUCH funner time than my genius friends in tech. It's like when they asked John Dillinger why he robbed banks, to which he replied "That's where the money is."

Speaking of which, I read Hacker News sometimes, and I came across this post awhile back "How to date a supermodel (or get dealflow or find cofounders)"

Yeah, I've never understood the fixation on money as the cure-all. I think it's an ego thing, that the guy making less money wants to feel like he's every bit as good as the rich guy, so he attributes the rich guy's superior results with women to his money, and not to his game, his physique, his circle of friends and everything else he's worked to accomplish.

I'm fairly young, so I understand things change with age... But young hot girls are the filet mignon of the sexual market, and they care the least about money. For a young hot girl, it's who you know, who knows you, who you're friends with, if you're cool, if you're socially vetted. It's status. Go on to any college campus, and money for money's sake is practically irrelevant. (It can help you get into the right frats and such though, but that's indirect, and if you got into those frats without money, your absence of money would mostly cease to matter.)

Post: #14

(04-06-2012 11:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:54 AM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 01:25 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

Yup. Maybe the next company I'm involved with we'll bring in Mixx or someone to learn these guys up. They read game stuff on the internet and are aware of it, but no companies act on it.

I'm going to troll the sugardaddy site and look for an angle for easy lays.

There's a lot of talk the merits of spending money on women versus never spending money, but I haven't seen a lot on flashing cash game. I remember once when I was younger I was carrying around maybe a thousand dollars in hundreds. This was before debit cards and I had taken it out of the bank cause I was going to buy a new guitar. Anyway, I had it with me at this party and I remember pulling it out and I'll always remember the way this one chick's eyes just lit up. We were 17 at the time, so that was a lot of money to just be pulling out of my pocket.

I've been thinking lately about how to put myself in a position to casually flash a fat bankroll and use it to pull without actually spending it on the broad. There's that whole fake ATM receipt trick, but that just seems too corny to work.

Post: #15

(04-06-2012 12:50 PM)j r Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:54 AM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 01:25 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

Yup. Maybe the next company I'm involved with we'll bring in Mixx or someone to learn these guys up. They read game stuff on the internet and are aware of it, but no companies act on it.

I'm going to troll the sugardaddy site and look for an angle for easy lays.

There's a lot of talk the merits of spending money on women versus never spending money, but I haven't seen a lot on flashing cash game. I remember once when I was younger I was carrying around maybe a thousand dollars in hundreds. This was before debit cards and I had taken it out of the bank cause I was going to buy a new guitar. Anyway, I had it with me at this party and I remember pulling it out and I'll always remember the way this one chick's eyes just lit up. We were 17 at the time, so that was a lot of money to just be pulling out of my pocket.

I've been thinking lately about how to put myself in a position to casually flash a fat bankroll and use it to pull without actually spending it on the broad. There's that whole fake ATM receipt trick, but that just seems too corny to work.

At my work I move a lot of cash around so i'm used to having a couple grand in my pocket. When I pull it out girls do light up and I keep my money messy because I shift it so much. It's no big deal to me so they think I'm rich a lot of times. Girls talk and it does yield bangs. Trust me. Even the G talks about the bankroll. It's not that they want the cash so much but I think it's attractive to them that you could do what you want with money in your pocket. I'm surrounded by broke people here and it makes a big difference.

Should I use my real age on sugardaddy 42? Or go 38?

Post: #16

(04-06-2012 12:50 PM)j r Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:54 AM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 01:25 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Makes sense, because of Silicon Valley and all. All those lonely, new money tech start up beta's (look at Mark Zuckerberg)....

With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

Yup. Maybe the next company I'm involved with we'll bring in Mixx or someone to learn these guys up. They read game stuff on the internet and are aware of it, but no companies act on it.

I'm going to troll the sugardaddy site and look for an angle for easy lays.

There's a lot of talk the merits of spending money on women versus never spending money, but I haven't seen a lot on flashing cash game. I remember once when I was younger I was carrying around maybe a thousand dollars in hundreds. This was before debit cards and I had taken it out of the bank cause I was going to buy a new guitar. Anyway, I had it with me at this party and I remember pulling it out and I'll always remember the way this one chick's eyes just lit up. We were 17 at the time, so that was a lot of money to just be pulling out of my pocket.

I've been thinking lately about how to put myself in a position to casually flash a fat bankroll and use it to pull without actually spending it on the broad. There's that whole fake ATM receipt trick, but that just seems too corny to work.

You're thinking like a dude. You're analyzing the legwork of the technique, instead of the appearance of it. I think the ATM trick is actually a lot *less* corny, in terms of appearance.

Yes, to actually do it is very corny. But carrying around an ATM receipt isn't weird. Walking around with a ton of cash, for no apparent reason, is a little strange. Rich people don't really do that. Maybe hood rich people do, and maybe it'd work for hood chicks.

The girl may think you're doing it to get girls, and are just a huge, not necessarily rich, tool. "Wow, he withdrew a grand from his savings so he could flash cash at girls, big whoop." Also, she may expect you to share the wealth and spend some on her, and throw a shit fit otherwise - "what, is that actually just your rent money and you can't afford to spend any? Poser." That wouldn't happen with just an ATM receipt.

I've never done either, just saying I like the idea of the ATM receipt - you're not trying to impress her with it, it's just there, and there's no insinuation that you'll spend money on her. So you don't look like a tool.

Interesting to hear from El Mech - wonder if it's different among chicks who aren't broke Florida rednecks.

Post: #17

(04-06-2012 01:02 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 12:50 PM)j r Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:54 AM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)basilransom Wrote:  With all the perks these tech startups offer, I wonder if one will break the mold and start offering girls to their male employees one way or another - eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees.

Yup. Maybe the next company I'm involved with we'll bring in Mixx or someone to learn these guys up. They read game stuff on the internet and are aware of it, but no companies act on it.

I'm going to troll the sugardaddy site and look for an angle for easy lays.

There's a lot of talk the merits of spending money on women versus never spending money, but I haven't seen a lot on flashing cash game. I remember once when I was younger I was carrying around maybe a thousand dollars in hundreds. This was before debit cards and I had taken it out of the bank cause I was going to buy a new guitar. Anyway, I had it with me at this party and I remember pulling it out and I'll always remember the way this one chick's eyes just lit up. We were 17 at the time, so that was a lot of money to just be pulling out of my pocket.

I've been thinking lately about how to put myself in a position to casually flash a fat bankroll and use it to pull without actually spending it on the broad. There's that whole fake ATM receipt trick, but that just seems too corny to work.

You're thinking like a dude. You're analyzing the legwork of the technique, instead of the appearance of it. I think the ATM trick is actually a lot *less* corny, in terms of appearance.

Yes, to actually do it is very corny. But carrying around an ATM receipt isn't weird. Walking around with a ton of cash, for no apparent reason, is a little strange. Rich people don't really do that. Maybe hood rich people do, and maybe it'd work for hood chicks.

The girl may think you're doing it to get girls, and are just a huge, not necessarily rich, tool. "Wow, he withdrew a grand from his savings so he could flash cash at girls, big whoop." Also, she may expect you to share the wealth and spend some on her, and throw a shit fit otherwise - "what, is that actually just your rent money and you can't afford to spend any? Poser." That wouldn't happen with just an ATM receipt.

I've never done either, just saying I like the idea of the ATM receipt - you're not trying to impress her with it, it's just there, and there's no insinuation that you'll spend money on her. So you don't look like a tool.

Interesting to hear from El Mech - wonder if it's different among chicks who aren't broke Florida rednecks.

I don't know. There's some kind of hindbrain response that people, hood or not hood, have when a fat wad of cash is flashed. That's how con men bring in their marks, that's how casinos make money, that's how get-rich-quick schemes get customers, by insinuating that you can get something for nothing. If there's one thing that women love, it's something for nothing.

And if understanding game has taught me anything, it's that even the most educated, well-bred, reserved woman will trick if you give her the opportunity and use the appropriate bait.

As for the logistics, you can break out a bankroll much more nonchalantly than you can break out an ATM receipt. What do you do? Let it accidentally fall out of your wallet? Most broads would see that for what it is. I also think that at a time when most people use plastic to pay for everything, pulling out a bankroll has an element of old-school charm and a hint of danger. Sure, she may wonder if that's the whole contents of your checking account, but she won't be sure. If you're game is tight in other aspects, you'll get the hamster running.

This is all theory, haven't tested it other than that one story. Too bad G is not around to drop some bankroll logistics.

Post: #18

ATM receipt is lame. Cash is in the now just like the pussy you want. ATM balance buys you an expensive date in the future Cash gets you a insta-date venue bounce. I say shit like lets go to the beaches and swim if we get too wasted we can just find a place to stay there. The stack of hundreds makes her hamster give the green light and stop spinning.

Cash money dudes= careless, impulsive, exciting.......... Atm card warriors= Cheap, calculated, cautious

Post: #19

(04-06-2012 01:55 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Cash is in the now just like the pussy you want.

Cash money dudes= careless, impulsive, exciting.......... Atm card warriors= Cheap, calculated, cautious

Very interesting. I've always been an ATM/Credit Card guy, but I'm seeing your argument.

Funny, I use cash to f--- with dudes, but I've never thought about it's application with women. When I'm in a third world country buying stuff off the streets or in a market, I learned to haggle, name my final price, then SHOW THE CASH, then leave. Once you WAVE the cash in their face, it's hard for them to decline psychologically, like j.r.'s hindbrain comment.

Just the sight of cash triggers emotions. So I suppose a bankroll would do wonders with the right audience. It has at least 2 effects I'm guessing:
1) chick wonders how rich you are, because no one bankrolls anymore;
2) chick wonders why you're not afraid to carry around alot of cash (if you can protect the $$ you can protect her?)

Post: #20

(04-09-2012 04:22 PM)46. Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 01:55 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Cash is in the now just like the pussy you want.

Cash money dudes= careless, impulsive, exciting.......... Atm card warriors= Cheap, calculated, cautious

Very interesting. I've always been an ATM/Credit Card guy, but I'm seeing your argument.

Funny, I use cash to f--- with dudes, but I've never thought about it's application with women. When I'm in a third world country buying stuff off the streets or in a market, I learned to haggle, name my final price, then SHOW THE CASH, then leave. Once you WAVE the cash in their face, it's hard for them to decline psychologically, like j.r.'s hindbrain comment.

Just the sight of cash triggers emotions. So I suppose a bankroll would do wonders with the right audience. It has at least 2 effects I'm guessing:
1) chick wonders how rich you are, because no one bankrolls anymore;
2) chick wonders why you're not afraid to carry around alot of cash (if you can protect the $$ you can protect her?)

It's not an argument it's a fact. I've watched this my whole life. Want to dip from the bar? Throw some bills on the bar and walk out with your slut.

Want to leave with said slut with debit card? Give it to the bartender, they hand you a bill, you look at it, Maybe it's padded, you figure a tip in, you sign, you give it back and sometimes have to wait to do it. Lame.

Post: #21

As look would have it, I left my credit/debit card at work on Friday, so I got to give bankroll game little field test. I took out a few hundred bucks on Friday to make it through the weekend. I was hanging out with my main LTR this weekend, so this can only tell you so much.

We had drinks and dinner and I pulled out the cash when it was time to pay. Predictably, her eyes lit up and she starts asking me why I'm carrying around "all those hundreds." We have running jokes about what I do when she's not around, so I tell her not worry about my business. And she starts asking me if the money came from my other hoes. I'll have to try this in other situations, but it's clear that a stack of cash has an undeniable effect on people.

By the way, we ended up splitting the bill, so I'm left with the conclusion that women are much more turned on by flashing cash than by having it spent on them.

Post: #22

My father told me almost everyday of his life "When you got the cash you got the ass" Cash means actual cash not a check made out to cash.

Post: #23

May I have your attention please.


This is why SF has the most Sugar Daddies in America:

http://www.seekingarrangement.com/gaysugardaddy.php





Little does anyone here know that prostitution and arrangements are huge in the gay community.

A gay man's life is just like a woman's; he's valuable when young, but when old all he can offer is money in exchange for sex.


Therefore, given that SF is the gay mecca of the USA, I immediately assumed that the reason SF has the most Sugar Daddies is because of gay men paying for arrangements.

A quick google later and I found this:
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/gaysugardaddy.php

Says it all.

Post: #24

(04-10-2012 01:32 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  My father told me almost everyday of his life "When you got the cash you got the ass" Cash means actual cash not a check made out to cash.

The talk here about actual cash is interesting. I've also noticed this, but thought it had more to do with women thinking you were a "bad boy" drug dealer type. Or some other shady character who needed to keep financial transactions unconnected to him.

The problem with using cash in some places, like where I am now, is that it really is dangerous - not just that it gives the illusion of danger. If you're carrying hundereds of dollars in cash here there will be no shortage of people prepared to kill you for it.

Of course you could also flash a black Amex, but how many chicks even know what that is?

Post: #25

(04-10-2012 02:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  May I have your attention please.


Little does anyone here know that prostitution and arrangements are huge in the gay community.

A gay man's life is just like a woman's; he's valuable when young, but when old all he can offer is money in exchange for sex.

Therefore, given that SF is the gay mecca of the USA, I immediately assumed that the reason SF has the most Sugar Daddies is because of gay men paying for arrangements.

This is why I love the truth.
If you just have a blanket statement with investigation, you will often get a hugely incorrect conclusion.
But when you "break it down" and and do the investigative research into a topic, you get the real truth.
We have been debating a topic that is based upon lazy journalism, and faulty/lazy/perhaps biased statistic gathering.

This is why I get my news from the CBC and the BBC.
They are legally held to a higher standard of journalism and reporting==especially the CBC.