Post: #1

I've noticed two lines of talk among young cats:
1. I'm an alpha male being held back by feminists;
2. The economy sucks which is why I'm broke.

I have a solution for you.

Move to North Dakota.

There is a huge job boom.

There are all manly, alpha male jobs paying six figures and white collar jobs, too.

Five minutes of Google (search: North Dakota job boom) will give you a day's worth of reading.

Stop crying and take charge of your lives.

From here on out, any guy who complaining about the economy or being broke is going to be asked one question, "Are you in North Dakota?" If the answer is no, then you are a beta bitch.

I'm not even joking.

Most of you cry babies have never endured true suffering - such as living in the housing projects, living in India, or being born with a serious disfigurement.

There are jobs.

They aren't easy jobs. They aren't cushy jobs. They aren't close-to-home jobs.

The question is: Are you man enough to take them?

Or are you going to keep signing on the Internet to bitch while life passes you by?

Post: #2

I love you, Mike + 1.

Disclaimer: Pas homo.

Post: #3

Thanks. It's becoming a pity party. Guys sitting around feeling sorry about themselves is as beta as it gets.

Guys - and they don't deserve to be called men - forgot that they must take action and take personal responsibility for their lives.

Fifty years ago, men went moving for work. Now guys cry on the Internet.

I've had fucked up shit happen to me.

I'm still here.

Because I don't sit around feeling sorry for myself like a little bitch.

I make changes and take charge.

If the economy sucks, guy should move to North Dakota.

If they don't want to do that, fine.

But if they're going to sit home like fucking cowards, they have no business blaming feminists or anyone else for their problems.

Post: #4

Now this is some Tough Love.

Post: #5

MikeCF, you're spot on with this post but I doubt many readers would be willing to make the move, many of them dream of the 4-hour work week or some internet gig where they live on a tropical island. The opportunity to make 6 figures is waiting for them but they don't want to move away from the comfort of home and have to get their hands dirty, working in the elements for 12-16 hours a day.

It would be interesting if one of the forum members did make the move and wrote on here about it. Guys, a career in the oil industry, while now for everyone, can be amazing, especially if you like to travel.

If a guy moved to ND for 3-5 years, made a shit tonne of cash and picked up some skills along the way, he could find himself working in some pretty cool places, usually on a month on month off rotation (often times tax free too).

check out the job adds for drilling gig on this website: http://www.rigzone.com/jobs/search_job_r...Category=3

Some of the locations include: Korea, Norway, Cuba, west Africa, Brazil, Papua New Guinea, Angola, France, Egypt, Australia, Malaysia, etc.

What are you guys waiting for?

Post: #6

(03-12-2012 04:11 PM)scotian Wrote:  MikeCF, you're spot on with this post but I doubt many readers would be willing to make the move, many of them dream of the 4-hour work week or some internet gig where they live on a tropical island. The opportunity to make 6 figures is waiting for them but they don't want to move away from the comfort of home and have to get their hands dirty, working in the elements for 12-16 hours a day.

It would be interesting if one of the forum members did make the move and wrote on here about it. Guys, a career in the oil industry, while now for everyone, can be amazing, especially if you like to travel.

If a guy moved to ND for 3-5 years, made a shit tonne of cash and picked up some skills along the way, he could find himself working in some pretty cool places, usually on a month on month off rotation (often times tax free too).

check out the job adds for drilling gig on this website: http://www.rigzone.com/jobs/search_job_r...Category=3

Some of the locations include: Korea, Norway, Cuba, west Africa, Brazil, Papua New Guinea, Angola, France, Egypt, Australia, Malaysia, etc.

What are you guys waiting for?

You have go pick them up and bring them there and guarantee them the highest paying position possible with the least effort. Then you have to stick around to make sure they have no conflict with co-workers they may need your help with. That's all

Here from the Trucker forum....

I'm home in Michigan, on break right now, from the ND oil patch. Right now I am with Baker Hughes, working as an Equipment Operator, my pay has taken a bit of a hit, but the bennies make up for it. Starting pay is roughly $23 and hour. They pay for housing (Private rooms at places like The Quality Inn, Ramada, Microtel, Best Western, etc.), travel to and from the house (full airline cost reimbursement or .50 a mile if you drive), immediate benefits, Blue Cross Blue Shield, eye, dental, 401k, stock options, etc., upon completion of two week orientation (which I was paid $2200 net to attend). They give you all clothing, winter gear, etc., including prescription safety glasses, you need to buy your own steel toed boots and long underwear.

If you have a wife, kids and or pets, bring them along, as they (Baker Hughes) will house them at no charge along with you. I have a few buddies that I work with that have the wife and kids with them right now. They put the kids in school, and mom goes out and grabs a part time job that normally pays around $14 an hour if not more. We are located in Dickinson ND, plenty of work. McDonalds and Walmart pay around $14 an hour to start. If the wife has other skills, she can make more, especially in nursing.

Here is a link to check out, it is from Mile High Employment out of Denver, CDL-A Drivers and Diesel Mechanics Job Fair in Minneapolis, Minnesota | Mile High Energy Solutions

Here is the Craigslist link JOB FAIR Minnesota for North Dakota oilfield(65-75K first year)

I have two of my friends heading up there, if you are clean you will be hired. We need 500 more people. And we are opening a new terminal come spring time. Things are kind of goofy right now, but we are in a small yard and have more work than you can shake a stick at. In other words, we are growing to fast right now, so not all is rosey right now but should be getting better come spring.

If you are not interested in Baker Hughes, the main issue for you guys will be housing, as there is little of it. Many outfits charge you up to $700+ a month for what many of us would consider third world accommodations and have issues getting you paid. In other words, do your own due diligence! There are many good outfits here in ND, but we have our share of fly by nights that have no problem in stealing from you. If you come up here to work for a legitimate employer, and were recruited from out of state, you should not have to pay for housing! It has never been like that in the oil patch, as companies have historically paid for housing at the minimum, be they man camps or group housing.

Here are some links to check out....

Check out this video too. It is from Cramer of CNBC's Mad Money, he did this show this past August. He did a great job describing what is actually going on up here in ND.

Mad Money, August 24, 2011 - CNBC

A local paper out of Williston ND

Classifieds - The Shopper, Inc. - Williston, North Dakota

If you want to talk, just pm me your phone number and I will give you a call on my dime. I have been in ND since April of this year.

Mike

ON EDIT! if you do not have your CDL Baker Hughes will send you to Denver to obtain one and PAY YOU to attend the CDL school! At no cost to you! So if you know of someone that can work for 30 plus hours straight, and they don't have a CDL, we will get them everything they need!

This is not a job for sissies! I'm 46 years old and hanging in there.
Last edited by Justruckin; 10-24-2011 at 10:51 AM.

Post: #7

Mike, I don't always agree with your views, but this post is spot-on.

At the end of the day, some of these grown men would rather live at home with their parents and complain about how the republicans, democrats and equal opportunity have all made it so hard to get a job...so hard to game women...so hard to own nice things. They're all so well-rounded and informed about financial topics (taxes, entitlements) affecting their country, even though they've never held a full-time job that paid more than $8/hour. And never worked to feed themselves or their family.

Now excuse me while I go finish my cheesy gordita, rub one out to some porn and load my xbox before mom gets home.

Post: #8

(03-12-2012 04:46 PM)Smitty Wrote:  Now excuse me while I go finish my cheesy gordita, rub one out to some porn and load my xbox before mom gets home.

Wait.

That isn't the formula for success?

Post: #9

(03-12-2012 04:58 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 04:46 PM)Smitty Wrote:  Now excuse me while I go finish my cheesy gordita, rub one out to some porn and load my xbox before mom gets home.

Wait.

That isn't the formula for success?

Depends who you ask ========>

Post: #10

How can there be unfilled jobs if the national unemployment rate is 8.9%? Or is this indicative of the general lack of cojones of the male population in this country? Of course I don't know what the age distribution of the unemployed is, but I bet there are plenty of able bodied men who could do this work.

Post: #11

(03-12-2012 05:08 PM)Menace Wrote:  How can there be unfilled jobs if the national unemployment rate is 8.9%? Or is this indicative of the general lack of cojones of the male population in this country? Of course I don't know what the age distribution of the unemployed is, but I bet there are plenty of able bodied men who could do this work.

If you picked 100 random guys off the street in skinny jeans and shirts with glitter on them, how many do you think would actually pack up and make the move?

Post: #12

I don't see how working in ND makes sense for those who graduated from college with a degree.That's not really a transferable skill set as it purely involves hard labor, which is what the decision to attend college was meant to avoid inevitably. I can see the draw for guys who chose to work in the trades or did not attend college, or went to juno but didn't finish, etc. and have no problem exchanging hard labor for hard cash.

At any rate, no one should be complaining. There's still opportunities out there, though not easy, but sitting on your bum and just complaining about the world won't help you realize them.

Post: #13

(03-12-2012 05:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I don't see how working in ND makes sense for those who graduated from college with a degree.That's not really a transferable skill set as it purely involves hard labor, which is what the decision to attend college was meant to avoid inevitably. I can see the draw for guys who chose to work in the trades or did not attend college, or went to juno but didn't finish, etc. and have no problem exchanging hard labor for hard cash.

At any rate, no one should be complaining. There's still opportunities out there, though not easy, but sitting on your bum and just complaining about the world won't help you realize them.

Degrees are becoming more and more worthless. i think most Starbucks baristas have them these days. Most American men are soft and coddled and entitled. If you are a high powered attorney or something making good money this isnt for you, but if you are a man who doesnt enjoy sitting at a desk all day and having the corporate life suck your soul this is a great opportunity. Make good money and use your muscles and do some physical work like men were intended. Just because you have a degree doesnt mean you have to use it if other opportunities arise. If I was 23, sitting in a cube making 40k in an expensive city I'd look long and hard at this option. I'd bet most who took the risk were glad they did.

Post: #14

(03-12-2012 05:32 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 05:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I don't see how working in ND makes sense for those who graduated from college with a degree.That's not really a transferable skill set as it purely involves hard labor, which is what the decision to attend college was meant to avoid inevitably. I can see the draw for guys who chose to work in the trades or did not attend college, or went to juno but didn't finish, etc. and have no problem exchanging hard labor for hard cash.

At any rate, no one should be complaining. There's still opportunities out there, though not easy, but sitting on your bum and just complaining about the world won't help you realize them.

Degrees are becoming more and more worthless. i think most Starbucks baristas have them these days. Most American men are soft and coddled and entitled. If you are a high powered attorney or something making good money this isnt for you, but if you are a man who doesnt enjoy sitting at a desk all day and having the corporate life suck your soul this is a great opportunity. Make good money and use your muscles and do some physical work like men were intended. Just because you have a degree doesnt mean you have to use it if other opportunities arise. If I was 23, sitting in a cube making 40k in an expensive city I'd look long and hard at this option. I'd bet most who took the risk were glad they did.

I can see where you're coming from but I think college graduates are, or should be, well-rounded. I think finding an opportunity that allows them to apply many of their skills and talents is the preferred route. Hard labor is just hard labor. I know I would be wasting my creative talents by being in an environment like that 24/7. Hell, I train hard in my workouts and that's enough for me. I'm better off spending most of my time in endeavors that draw strongly on my intellectual abilities.

Post: #15

(03-12-2012 05:38 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 05:32 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 05:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I don't see how working in ND makes sense for those who graduated from college with a degree.That's not really a transferable skill set as it purely involves hard labor, which is what the decision to attend college was meant to avoid inevitably. I can see the draw for guys who chose to work in the trades or did not attend college, or went to juno but didn't finish, etc. and have no problem exchanging hard labor for hard cash.

At any rate, no one should be complaining. There's still opportunities out there, though not easy, but sitting on your bum and just complaining about the world won't help you realize them.

Degrees are becoming more and more worthless. i think most Starbucks baristas have them these days. Most American men are soft and coddled and entitled. If you are a high powered attorney or something making good money this isnt for you, but if you are a man who doesnt enjoy sitting at a desk all day and having the corporate life suck your soul this is a great opportunity. Make good money and use your muscles and do some physical work like men were intended. Just because you have a degree doesnt mean you have to use it if other opportunities arise. If I was 23, sitting in a cube making 40k in an expensive city I'd look long and hard at this option. I'd bet most who took the risk were glad they did.

I can see where you're coming from but I think college graduates are, or should be, well-rounded. I think finding an opportunity that allows them to apply many of their skills and talents is the preferred route. Hard labor is just hard labor. I know I would be wasting my creative talents by being in an environment like that 24/7. Hell, I train hard in my workouts and that's enough for me. I'm better off spending most of my time in endeavors that draw strongly on my intellectual abilities.

I hear you. I just think there are a lot of guys who went to college because it was the next logical step and are kind of floundering around in low paying corporate gigs because they dont really know what else to do. If you like your corporate gig and are well paid to do so more power to you, but I'd be there are a lot of 23 year old guys a year or two out of school who get up every morning and dread putting on khaki's, going to the cubicle, and pretending like the give a shit.

Post: #16

Hencredible Casanova, I have to disagree with you here because I can guarantee that there are many jobs in North Dakota right now that don't involve hard labour, many of them being "cushy" office jobs where a uni grad could put his degree to work.

Of course, most of the available jobs in a place like Williston, ND are of the hard labour variety; working on an oil rig, driving a vac truck, etc. However, all industrial job sites require office staff such as: project managers, logistics coordinators, scheduler/planners, human resources, IT, quality control and other various administrative and office support jobs.

Also, there would be many opportunities for university graduates in technical fields such as geology, engineering (petroleum, chemical, civil, mechanical, materials,etc), health and safety, chemistry, etc.

Guys there are several major players in the international oil industry that are very active in North Dakota right now, Baker Hughes and Schlumber, just to name a couple. I actually met a guy at a pub in Parque 93 in Bogota who works a regular office job here for Schlumberger, he's worked in many Latin American countries over the past few years. Both of those companies are also very active where I work, up in the Alberta oil sands.

Before any of you do make a move to ND, I would suggest you do your homework first and don't recommend going up there with little money and no experience, you may end up homeless as most hotels are probably full. It sounds like ND is going through what Fort McMurray did 5-7 years ago, when we had guys sleeping in winnebago campers and tents all over the place.

Post: #17

(03-12-2012 06:01 PM)scotian Wrote:  Hencredible Casanova, I have to disagree with you here because I can guarantee that there are many jobs in North Dakota right now that don't involve hard labour, many of them being "cushy" office jobs where a uni grad could put his degree to work.

Of course, most of the available jobs in a place like Williston, ND are of the hard labour variety; working on an oil rig, driving a vac truck, etc. However, all industrial job sites require office staff such as: project managers, logistics coordinators, scheduler/planners, human resources, IT, quality control and other various administrative and office support jobs.

Also, there would be many opportunities for university graduates in technical fields such as geology, engineering (petroleum, chemical, civil, mechanical, materials,etc), health and safety, chemistry, etc.

Guys there are several major players in the international oil industry that are very active in North Dakota right now, Baker Hughes and Schlumber, just to name a couple. I actually met a guy at a pub in Parque 93 in Bogota who works a regular office job here for Schlumberger, he's worked in many Latin American countries over the past few years. Both of those companies are also very active where I work, up in the Alberta oil sands.

Before any of you do make a move to ND, I would suggest you do your homework first and don't recommend going up there with little money and no experience, you may end up homeless as most hotels are probably full. It sounds like ND is going through what Fort McMurray did 5-7 years ago, when we had guys sleeping in winnebago campers and tents all over the place.

Yeah. We don't disagree. I was speaking on jobs that involve hard labor, which seemed to be what MikeCF was getting at.

If there are office jobs there specifically for college grads, and they pay well, definitely something one could consider. However, I doubt most of those gigs you mentioned were entry level though. One would probably have to have a few years of legit work experience and some kind of committed career path in that field.

MikeCF seemed to be talking about the guys who have no work experience and just sit at home and complain.

Post: #18

First, there's nothing impressive about getting a college degree. Guys can phone it in, get a 3.0, and that's a degree.

Guys who hustled in college, got that 3.8, made contacts...They aren't out of work.

So fuck a college degree. It means nothing.

Second, I'm a man of letters. If there were an earthquake destroying civilization, you wouldn't hear me say, "Let me sit back here and write about the social contract."

I'd be out chucking spears and killing mother fuckers.

We are in an economic earth quake. Guys need to do what they need to do.

Third, if these guys are so smart, they'll work their way up from oil line man to management.

They need to prove themselves.

Fourth, let me play the world's smallest violin with my life story. I've always overcome, because of a lack of entitlement. I do what needs to be done.

Post: #19

(03-12-2012 07:55 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  First, there's nothing impressive about getting a college degree. Guys can phone it in, get a 3.0, and that's a degree.

Guys who hustled in college, got that 3.8, made contacts...They aren't out of work.

So fuck a college degree. It means nothing.

Second, I'm a man of letters. If there were an earthquake destroying civilization, you wouldn't hear me say, "Let me sit back here and write about the social contract."

I'd be out chucking spears and killing mother fuckers.

We are in an economic earth quake. Guys need to do what they need to do.

Third, if these guys are so smart, they'll work their way up from oil line man to management.

They need to prove themselves.

Fourth, let me play the world's smallest violin with my life story. I've always overcome, because of a lack of entitlement. I do what needs to be done.

This post gave me a boner.

Post: #20

Yeah. A college degree in and of itself isn't particularly impressive depending on where and what you studied and how you did. Focus and ambition is what matters in becoming successful. It's just that these types of people are often more likely to attend college these days and do well while they're there. That may begin to change as the economy continues to worsen. I forgot who it was but some guy was offering twenty $100,000 scholarships for young tech savvy entrepreneurs to NOT attend college.

Post: #21

(03-12-2012 08:05 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 07:55 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  First, there's nothing impressive about getting a college degree. Guys can phone it in, get a 3.0, and that's a degree.

Guys who hustled in college, got that 3.8, made contacts...They aren't out of work.

So fuck a college degree. It means nothing.

Second, I'm a man of letters. If there were an earthquake destroying civilization, you wouldn't hear me say, "Let me sit back here and write about the social contract."

I'd be out chucking spears and killing mother fuckers.

We are in an economic earth quake. Guys need to do what they need to do.

Third, if these guys are so smart, they'll work their way up from oil line man to management.

They need to prove themselves.

Fourth, let me play the world's smallest violin with my life story. I've always overcome, because of a lack of entitlement. I do what needs to be done.

This post gave me a boner.

Me too. But I cant figure out if its the same MikeCF in the other thread who is calling for Student Loan Forgiveness.

Post: #22

I'm going to take some pre-employment technical classes this summer but my plan is to be in North Dakota in one year.

Post: #23

Hahaha. Agreed, MikeCF

I'm seriously considering heading to North Dakota. Right now I'm in Thailand, and while the lifestyle, weather, food, and women are great, I realize that my next step has to be to go out and make some serious money. If I want to turn a corner and get to a higher level I realize that it's going to take some hard work and planning. I think heading to the oil patch might be the least risky way to make that hard work pay off at the moment and gain some capital for future endeavors.

I lived in North Dakota for four years and have family in the Minnesota so I think a move like this would be a lot easier for me than some guys from the Deep South or Sunbelt. Even if you're from Chicago, Milwaukee, even Minneapolis, you've never seen anything like a North Dakota winter. We're talking -70 F wind chills and very limited entertainment options. Nothing to look at either. No trees or mountains. The people tend to be very parochial and closed-off too. While they might be polite and smile, it takes a long time to get to know them and make friendships. It's something that's survived from the migration out of Scandinavia and has been amplified by the vast distances between small towns. It's probably a little different out in Williston because of all the new arrivals from out-of-state. I know being a roughneck is dangerous so maybe I'll use my degree and North Dakota background to get some other work and try to save as much as I can for a couple years.

Just because you have a degree in something or experience in a certain field doesn't mean you're locked into staying with that forever. You can always change your path and try something new. Isn't that what we all do in these foreign countries? I don't look at an opportunity like this as being an different.

I'm going to mull it over for the next couple of months and decide if it's a better option than teaching in the ME or Japan or going back to school for some professional certification. I have a contract here in Thailand that runs through the end of September but I guess I could always leave it early just to avoid arriving in NoDak in October. It's already well below freezing at night in October and below zero Fahrenheit is not unheard of.

Post: #24

jdreise, if you played your cars right, in 3-5 years you could be working in the ME or Asia making 3X as much an a teacher and spending your days of in Thailand with wads of cash.

Post: #25

One part of me really likes the idea and the fact that this would make me more manlier.

The other part of me knows that my Internet Marketing stuff is going pretty well and I should keep working on expanding my business/IM/networking abilities.

I respect you MikeCF because you don't seem like the kind of guy who mooches of his parents. Shit, I probably spent a 1,000 dollars of my parents money failing in various IM ventures before making any real cash. Hell, I'm sitting in their basement right now typing on a computer bought a few years ago with their money. Even right now I buy business/self improvement books of their Amazon Account.

I gotta respect guys who succeed with very little capital and have to really work hard for whatever they get.