Post: #1

What you are about to read is a rare look into how the West and it's culture is perceived by an Arab, who has lived and travelled all over the world and is a keen observer of society and people.

Meeting Westerners, one of the things I noticed was how insecure and de-masculinized they seemed to me; compared to myself and the male-dominated, testosterone-driven culture of my land.

Western men seemed fragile somehow, unsure of themselves and their worth, the vast majority of them. Some put on fake personas, some overcompensated ... none quite had the quiet confidence that people from our culture possess.On the internet, most Americans seemed to act like little bitches, little girls brought up in a Feminist perversion of nature.

I now understand why; after observing the complex dynamics of U.S. and Western society.

It was only after coming to the U.S. and studying here that all the pieces came together - a fascinating look at a dysfunctional man-hating civilization that is the polar opposite of my own culture, and will eventually lead to the collapse of Western civilization.

Where I come from, men walk proud and rule the streets and testosterone runs in the air; and strong patriarchal foundations of family and the father as ruler of the household. Men harass and aggressively follow women - it is unapologetically a man's world. Men are imbued with confidence and have high self esteem, women are (funnily enough) horny and demure; and feminine and understand the natural order of things.

In the U.S., Feminism has so corrupted the society to it's core, damaged the very concept of family and the family unit and the father's role, that society as a whole is like some bizarre alien planet - where men are bland, lack personality, are anti-social, gossipy, soul-less. Men are weak and insecure deep inside. People are disconnected and paranoid, anti-social and self-abosorbed.

It's a society where men have become de-masculinized. Bizarre and cliquish; I can sense the odd social-cultural constructs permeating the country - it is a deeply segregated and fake culture. Men cannot feel confident and assured here like in strong patriarchies; women have all the power and American men seem clueless as to how bizarre the male-female dynamic has become.

In the workplace, Americans are Automatons, like soul-less hamsters on a wheel. Fake conversations, no intellectualism, no interest in other countries, peoples, or history.

Also, terrible social and people skills - at least in California. Most people communicate via twitter and Facebook, even though most of the people on their Facebook live in the same city and a phone call away.

People are vacuous, shallow, superficial, suggestible. Men raised here are fake, insecure, lack personality, they seem to have "issues." Women are confused and messed up ..

You let your women take control, and your society will unravel- it will make your men weak, and destroy your society to it's core. The patriarchy is a male conceived and enforced institution that was imposed on females, because men, and only men understand well the long-term impacts of civilization and harnessing male energies into productive family units and a stable society .... civilization itself is a result of patriarchy.

To sum if up, it seems to be that the whole country is phitzoprhenic , like a Jekyll and Hyde monstrosity. There is no community, no camaredie, no soul, men and women are willing servants to their corporate masters and slaves to materialism and superficiality; and incredibly conformist, reserved, and politically correct to the point of totalitinarism.

Source - http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9345

Post: #2

Not to sure what part of America you were in. It is not that feminism is out of control here, it the fact that we appreciate human life, as opposed to the middle east where men do whatever they want and suffer no consequences. Seems a bit barbaric to me.

P.S. It is easy to approach women when they are all dressed like ninjas!

Post: #3

I suppose the author's perspective makes sense if you consider the Middle East to be "civilized" - by and large, I do not.

Post: #4

^AGREED

Post: #5

I believe U.S. culture breeds sociopathy and anti-social mindsets- this same hyper-individualism that is glorified in the media is nothing more than selfishness, because in reality, most people in the U.S. are NOT "independent" in the sense they are free thinkers and study and observe the world.

In fact, the overwhelming majority are politically correct, intellectually vapid conformists. They lack substance and perspective. It is a mad sociological engineering project that has inverted everything about traditional gender roles.

I see a degenerative social disease destroying the fabric of Western civilization from within- the same forces that have destroyed family and community (Feminism, Materialism, Individualism, Corporatism) is what makes such societies efficient and easily controllable - hence the most advanced societies.

Eventually however, these societies WILL come unglued.

It is easier to control, tax, and use disconnected people who do not think of the great world and deeper meaning in life - and U.S. culture has become soul-less and sterile. Make people into workaholic robots and make them believe it is the purpose of life - instead of meaningful relationships with family, and the community.

Break down the community, divide people, make men insecure, work them to death, empower women -- and you create a society of sheeple, a society built for business and not life.

Men are the enablers of civilization- women, by nature, are far more suggestible and influenced by their emotions and feelings, and are not strategic long-term thinkers. It is up to men to change the order of things; because the Feminist misandric society of the West only came to be because men ALLOWED it to become - in a way, they betrayed the very foundation on which civilization and stability were founded. Many simply lacked the wisdom to see what our ancestors discovered and knew - that controlling female sexuality and forming stable family units in which men could pass on their wealth to their heirs IS the centerpiece of civilization and civilization could not, and would never rise without the Patriarchy and men creating the concept of family and social rules of sexuality.

Hollywood is defintely the greatest force that has irrevocably destroyed and instilled feminist anarchism into every fabric of U.S. society- from TV soap operas to magazines, the idea is implanted of female empowerment, and the pussification of men.

What strikes me most about men in California is the lack of personality ... most men are literally like robots fresh off a factory floor, while men from my own culture have more expressive and interesting personalities and more "honor."

Women are hard to meet and, like their male counterparts, seem to lack substance. The artificial social construct of the West, makes it difficult and awkward for sociable "normal" people to meet others - society seems to encourage anti-sociality and cliquishness.

American men I know seem very very politically correct and afraid of doing anything that would even slightly offend a woman. I see this everyday.

In American families, women seem to be wearing the pants.

Post: #6

You have a very skewed sense of reality. If anyone is wondering why some of the countries in the middle east are among the lowest in human development, read the above post and it will answer your question.

Post: #7

I think the article is rather pointed and broad (singling out Cali, for example?) but anyone who has spent time (not tours of duty) in the Middle East would instantly recognize it's truth. The Arabs, men in particular, have a certain confidence about them that is hard to find here in the US. Completely different approach/feel than the typical Alpha male but just as, if not more, effective.

As for the ignorant comments that followed, well...that's too bad but it's certainly not my loss if you never experience the so called uncivilized, barbaric, fem-ninja culture over there

Due respect to everyone's opinion, of course. Cheers.

Post: #8

It maybe seems that people ok with this are foreigners that came to the US and could not get any. This is not what makes them mad. It is the fact that they can not beat the women into submission like they do in the middle east. Watch the movie "The Devil's Double," it shows the so called "male confidence" in the middle east.

Post: #9

Good movie! To generalize an entire culture based upon that is, well...

But very good movie.

Post: #10

The Arabs first have to explain why many of them fuck goats.Just kidding.Anyway there is sth wrong with a culture that allows some men to marry 4 women and keeps women in virginity till marriage with severe punishment otherwise.Also keeping women unavailbale by wearing hijabs burkhas or whatever.And always in female company or male relative company outside while infidelity is punished by stoning.

In this situation is no wonder many Arab men are so horny and aggressive and pursue women.They just do not get any chance to fuck a woman out of marriage in their societies.Arab culture is not the answer to men's problems in western countries.

The only viable answer which women hate is the slavic culture.There women are kept like cattle always for the pleasure of men.It is no wonder that so many Westerners travel to slavic countries to find a relief.So we should keep more close attention to what methods slavic men use(apart from slavic women genes inclinations) to make their women so submissive and feminine.Maybe we can be taught one or two things by slavic men.

Post: #11

Wow...

Post: #12

I think a few of you are getting too caught up in the fact that its an Arab saying this, cause it makes you wanna lash back and say well your country isn't any better and you treat your women like crap blah blah blah but forget the messenger read the message... what he's saying isn't anything different than what we say on the board everyday. It's becoming a beta world in North America, western Euro, Scandanavia, guys in general are becoming soft pussies, women are turning into dudes. In countries where you see borderline 3s thinking theyre 8s cause theyve got a masters degree and they think 175 pounds at 5ft makes them average weight you have to think the girls crazy yet you see it so often that you realize its cause so many guys treat them like they are 8s that they think they are, we did it to ourselves. Our countries could stand to man up.

Post: #13

Guys feminism has to do with capitalism and the concientous effort to put women to workforce and industrial production.Countries which hinder women's work like muslim countries have no feminism but economy there is relatively undeveloped and this is one of the factors.Other countries like slavic countries where position of women is relatively low regarding salaries,benefits etc have also very slow growth and dysfunctional economies.So feminism as a way to put women in mass production ready to work for the increase of total wealth is almost inevitable in a profit oriented economy.

Post: #14

Beta mindset the majority of American men? Yes

Americans losing the ability to communicate effectively? To an extent yes. I had sent maybe 10 text messages in my life before starting college late. Within a month i had sent over 100 because people would not answer the phone, instead text me instantly asking "whats up". At first I thought I was doing something wrong, but after being in that environment for long enough, I though it was weird when my friends called me too. I was also publicly laughed at in front of my entire business when we were assigned a group project, and told to get together on facebook, and I had no clue what the hell this facebook thing everyone was talking about.

Arab men more confident on average? Depends which point of view you take. But that is derived from the social oppression women face. Guys in America put women on a pedestal. Guys in Arab nations cover women faces, and beat them if they do something wrong. How could you possibly be afraid to approach if the cultural norm dictates that women are inferior? On the other hand, it is actually complete insecurity when the oppression is caused by the fear that the woman will fuck around on a husband. Such as the practice of cutting off the clitoris so the women feels less sexual pleasure and is less likely to stray.

Post: #15

(03-03-2012 06:11 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  So feminism as a way to put women in mass production ready to work for the increase of total wealth is almost inevitable in a profit oriented economy.

With self-destruction the inevitable result.

Those who embrace these practices most wholeheartedly are the wealthiest, but also the first to wipe themselves out via skewed gender relations (and the very low fertility rates that follow). Those who fail to do so forego many of the economic benefits and are generally not as wealthy, but are FAR more numerous. Conservative women outbreed your typical western feminist by several orders of magnitude.

They will eventually overwhelm their more progressive peers, which will see one of two outcomes:
1. The destruction of western civilization as we know it, to be superceded/replaced by something else entirely.
2. The complete remodeling of western civilization. It would survive in this scenario, but would have a character quite different from the one we know.

Either way, change is coming. Get ready for it, because the next 50 years are going to be very interesting.

Post: #16

(03-02-2012 02:52 PM)m83 Wrote:  Not to sure what part of America you were in. It is not that feminism is out of control here, it the fact that we appreciate human life, as opposed to the middle east where men do whatever they want and suffer no consequences. Seems a bit barbaric to me.

I'm in the Northeast, attending an Ivy.

His description here...
"Men are bland, lack personality, are anti-social, gossipy, soul-less. Men are weak and insecure deep inside. People are disconnected and paranoid, anti-social and self-abosorbed."

...fits my environment perfectly. I'd also say it applies to much of the urban Eastern USA.

(03-02-2012 03:21 PM)m83 Wrote:  You have a very skewed sense of reality. If anyone is wondering why some of the countries in the middle east are among the lowest in human development, read the above post and it will answer your question.

Generally, they aren't. Any casual glance at the Human Development Index will make that obvious.

Northern Europe, Canada, the USA, and a few other usual suspects dominate the top 10. The UK, Greece, and Luxembourg (together with most of Southern Europe) are right about on par with the United Arab Emirates. Brunei, Bahrain, and Qatar are on par with or ahead of almost the entirety of Eastern Europe save the Czech Republic (which, along with the UK, is just a couple of spots ahead).

Saudi Arabia is right on par with Bulgaria, and well ahead of Russia. Armenia is only slightly more developed than Iran. Living standards in the Ukraine are not as high as they are in Kuwait.

I could go on, but the bottomline is that your generalization is faulty. Unless you cherrypick a handful of Muslim nations (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Yemen especially), it is tough to argue that countries in the middle east/arab world are generally the worst in the world in terms of human development. Most are not even close.

(03-02-2012 03:31 PM)m83 Wrote:  It maybe seems that people ok with this are foreigners that came to the US and could not get any. This is not what makes them mad. It is the fact that they can not beat the women into submission like they do in the middle east. Watch the movie "The Devil's Double," it shows the so called "male confidence" in the middle east.

Well, I agree and I don't really fit your description (immigrant background, but certainly not from the middle east).

In many parts of the USA (some are much worse than others), women are quite masculine and men are quite feminized relative to most other parts of the world. I see a lot of his criticisms every day, as do many of the members of this forum (including Roosh himself) and quite a few others throughout the manosphere (Heartiste prime among them). These critiques have plenty of basis and support, both anecdotal and academic.

If I'm honest, your attempted ad-hominem and dismissal of said critiques as merely the markings of insecure, psychopathic (wife-beating) men remind me of the shaming language commonly used by feminists to dismiss those who disagree with them.

That makes me a little suspicious.

Post: #17

Learn how to read bro, among the lowest. IVY League? You have a lot of time time to post pictures of women for an IVY League student.

Post: #18

(03-06-2012 05:38 PM)m83 Wrote:  Learn how to read bro, among the lowest. IVY League? You have a lot of time time to post pictures of women for an IVY League student.

I seem to have more haters than usual these days. Odd, that.