Post: #26

(02-26-2012 08:59 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Some of the girls at the table come from billionaire families.

If that's true, you should purge any sort of baller/provider cards from your deck. They're blanks.

Post: #27

Definitely Samseau, so many guys worry about progressively fucking hotter and hotter girls. Most of us either a) don't have access b) don't have the game to consistently pull them provided they have access c) don't want to put the effort in for the "9" I had this problem when I was first starting out last year, my previous girlfriend was (to me) a 7.5, which was the hottest girl I had been with. I kept telling myself I wouldn't be seen with girls less hot. I think it was some kind of pride/status thing. I wanted to continually bang hotter and hotter girls. That is simply not possible you will have ups and downs and if you're in the game long enough you will eventually, by luck or numbers run into and successfully bang the hottest girl you will ever bang. That is not an end, but a good memory.

Post: #28

(02-28-2012 01:45 AM)basilransom Wrote:  As for SES, it's more important who you gel with than how much money you actually make, within reason.

True in theory but not reality.

You're out with guys earning dough and you're not.

They want to go to Cabo. Can you afford to roll?

They want to get a house. 5K for a week, and there are a few guys going.

Can you throw in?

Bar tabs at The Office are $900 or so (patron silver shots out of champagne flutes). Can you thrown in, or are you going to be the guy who is always getting fronted?

How long will the "charity" of the crew last?

It's not that people always judge by money. It's just that if there's a huge income disparity, guys just aren't able to roll.

Post: #29

(02-28-2012 01:44 PM)soup Wrote:  I'd bet that if you took anyone of us "bottom feeder" cold approach soldiers, give him the extra looks or status and social calibration, you'd get a massacre of biblical proportions.. 9s strewn about everywhere.

Last weekend at XS there were guys at tables (5K+ tabs) who were pussy begging. They had no game.

A guy with game doing cold approaches would have had better luck.

When guys with game get a table, it's on another level.

Game is better than money.

Money and game puts game to shame.

Post: #30

(02-27-2012 08:29 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Your circles are a prime factor. The better your circles, the higher your game will take you. I see guys of similar status, game, looks, etc with incredibly varying results. What explains it? Access.

At something like a house party, girls don't assume you're lower status than she is by default, unlike a bar. It is far easier to consistently punch at your weight and often above it, this way.

Most guys on here ignore social circles. But fact is that's where plenty of girls, especially cute girls, meet their men.

Great post. That's why I was thinking Dude could hook up with birthday gal, and ride that social wave to see where it takes him. If he's the chef in the "place to be restaurant" he's got elevation from pack. Playing in these circles would have to help for the next 9.

Once, through purely social circle and luck, I went out with a Carribean model 9+ type. Actually screw the 1-10 scale- this woman caused car crashes every few months. I'd like to say it was my big ballin' and stuff, but it wasn't, unfortunately. She could be sweet and somewhat down to earth and didn't f--- with dudes in bars much. Anyway we broke up because women like that are usually hiding a lot of pain, and I'm not a masochist.

We remained friends... and going out with her and crew was AWESOME. Women were intimidated by her... so I got the benefits of rolling out with her and her friends. I got vouchers, introductions, etc. The circle kicked my game up massively, made things so much easier...that's why I think Dude should examine those options as well. Especially with some the SES issues he discussed, not wanting to be a part of it, yet have access to the women.

Post: #31

(02-28-2012 04:24 PM)46. Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 08:29 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Your circles are a prime factor. The better your circles, the higher your game will take you. I see guys of similar status, game, looks, etc with incredibly varying results. What explains it? Access.

At something like a house party, girls don't assume you're lower status than she is by default, unlike a bar. It is far easier to consistently punch at your weight and often above it, this way.

Most guys on here ignore social circles. But fact is that's where plenty of girls, especially cute girls, meet their men.

Great post. That's why I was thinking Dude could hook up with birthday gal, and ride that social wave to see where it takes him. If he's the chef in the "place to be restaurant" he's got elevation from pack. Playing in these circles would have to help for the next 9.

Once, through purely social circle and luck, I went out with a Carribean model 9+ type. Actually screw the 1-10 scale- this woman caused car crashes every few months. I'd like to say it was my big ballin' and stuff, but it wasn't, unfortunately. She could be sweet and somewhat down to earth and didn't f--- with dudes in bars much. Anyway we broke up because women like that are usually hiding a lot of pain, and I'm not a masochist.

We remained friends... and going out with her and crew was AWESOME. Women were intimidated by her... so I got the benefits of rolling out with her and her friends. I got vouchers, introductions, etc. The circle kicked my game up massively, made things so much easier...that's why I think Dude should examine those options as well. Especially with some the SES issues he discussed, not wanting to be a part of it, yet have access to the women.

This sounds like a possible path. I'm sure you guys know about the sex tape scandal with Miss Japan and her friend: http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/hiroko-mim...pe-leaked/

This guy threesomed two Miss Universes by getting to one of them first. Yes, the 6 is not on the same level as the 9, but if you want an in without having to get instantly famous or rich, going through the 6 sounds like your best option. And, if she's hanging with one 9, she might have other 9s as friends too.

Post: #32

FWIW a brief update.

I decided to say fuck it and treat her like any other broad. I texted her to hang out, asked her what days she was free. Kept my texts short and to the point. No emoticons, no bullshit. Already I'm noticing a pattern with her texts. She takes 5-6 hours to reply. This one's going to be some serious work but if it pays off, it'll be more than worth it. Tentative date Sunday if her photoshoot isn't too early on Monday. I'm already guessing her flake probability is going to be sky high, since I've barely had any time to create interest with her alone. I'm trying to think of things to text her to increase her interest, which I already realize is far from the best way to increase interest, but any little bit helps. Was thinking about texting her what her favorite dishes or desserts are for menu ideas, something to that effect.

I initially wanted this thread to be about guys who've swooped 9s and the hoops they had to jump through. I've been with 7s and 8s my whole life and I get play regularly. It's time for some glory here.

Post: #33

(02-28-2012 03:29 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 01:44 PM)soup Wrote:  I'd bet that if you took anyone of us "bottom feeder" cold approach soldiers, give him the extra looks or status and social calibration, you'd get a massacre of biblical proportions.. 9s strewn about everywhere.

Last weekend at XS there were guys at tables (5K+ tabs) who were pussy begging. They had no game.

A guy with game doing cold approaches would have had better luck.

When guys with game get a table, it's on another level.

Game is better than money.

Money and game puts game to shame.

I was thinking about creating yet another thread to further drive home this point. I work in one of the richest neighborhoods in L.A., probably on the west coast. Maseratis and Ferraris are a dime a dozen here. Yet do you know how many times I see some busted ass bitch in the passenger seat? Some botoxed gold digger that I wouldn't touch even if I hadn't gotten laid in a month? It's common. Those same A-listers and corporate elite I mentioned above, they're included.

Now, I also see some of this crowd with the most drop dead gorgeous women I've ever seen. Definite dimes for sure. But, as has been expressed plenty of times, hard cash alone will do exactly dick for you. Game has to be in there somewhere.

Post: #34

I am surprised so many guys here are obsessed with status and money issues.

The hottest girls i have ever seen were girls i have seen with ordinary guys ( both in matter of looks and status)
Did they meet them by cold approaching? Probably not. Anyway social circle is enough to meet really hot girl without using much social authority like status and money ( and much game for that sake)

In fact, you need very little game if any to bang 6'.
I can pull 7' every now and then even if my game is still weak.

My friend with really tight game pulls 7" and 8' on daily basis and 9' ocassionaly. His status? unemployed.

the main reason he pulls 7" more often than 8" and 9" is mostly becasue the fact that 7" are much more statistically freqent and this is still a number game.

Post: #35

I think it would help if we made a dedicated brakedown of the psychology of these high-level girls. Their life experience is probably very different from most girls'. I wonder what it is like to be a 9: either they are too intimidating for most guys to approach, or they get approached many times more.

Normal girls don't just have looks when it comes to game, they have a much greater experience of being in the game than most guys: I think an average girl gets approached thousands of times by the time they hit their early twenties. With normal girls, game knowledge can really help to level out that number disparity* Maybe 9s don't need to have been approached that often in order to appreciate what they can get a way with: when you are getting paid to be hot, it's hard not to be aware of your social value.

But, maybe 9s are more susceptible to game tactics because they haven't had as much exposure? Like, maybe they've been locked away from the rabble, so to speak. I'd be curious to know what kind of adjustments have to be made to get to the 9s. Is it just a status thing, or are there other ways of indicating that you are "in" with their world? Is it just money and fame, or is there a Trojan Horse?


*That said, I believe it would behoove any guy who wants to get a leg up on this game to approach at least as many girls to even out their personal playing field. When I was a teenager, I was the guy in my group who approached the most girls. It became a big problem with my friends. Eventually, they didn't want to hang with me because, whenever we'd go out, I'd be, in their words "on the prowl." I had terrible game, but I was fucking determined to get ass. Since then, I've probably approached thousands of girls in my life. It feels like I still have a ways to go to reach my goals (one of which is to be able to bang 9s), but my game seems to be doubling in power every year since I've started implementing all the material that's out there on forums like this, blogs, etc.

Post: #36

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Post: #37

(02-29-2012 01:56 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  FWIW a brief update.

I decided to say fuck it and treat her like any other broad. I texted her to hang out, asked her what days she was free. Kept my texts short and to the point. No emoticons, no bullshit. Already I'm noticing a pattern with her texts. She takes 5-6 hours to reply. This one's going to be some serious work but if it pays off, it'll be more than worth it. Tentative date Sunday if her photoshoot isn't too early on Monday. I'm already guessing her flake probability is going to be sky high, since I've barely had any time to create interest with her alone. I'm trying to think of things to text her to increase her interest, which I already realize is far from the best way to increase interest, but any little bit helps. Was thinking about texting her what her favorite dishes or desserts are for menu ideas, something to that effect.

I initially wanted this thread to be about guys who've swooped 9s and the hoops they had to jump through. I've been with 7s and 8s my whole life and I get play regularly. It's time for some glory here.

Reverse the flow. She couldn't even accept a date without a built in flake excuse. Is there even a date? You're reaching and she is withdrawing - in other words standard operating procedure for her. It's time to switch that up. Perhaps that is why there is a lack of interest or attraction. Is she the dominant frame?

Call her, don't text her, deliver a powerful neg or two, and cancel the date. The neg can't be overtly negative, just subtle and brutal. She'll think, is this really happening to me? Nobody has ever done that to her. Don't offer an excuse. Don't apologize. I am thinking unceremoniously, with the same voice you'd cancel on a 2 or a 3. No big deal, right? That's the problem now, is that she is a 9 and knows it. Somehow you need to assert higher value.

Tell her you'll call her sometime. Hang up the phone.

Wait two weeks. Be sure to get laid frequently in those two weeks.

Risky, yep, but no guts no glory. At the end of the day, she's just another 9. There are a lot of 9's in L.A.

Post: #38

(02-28-2012 03:23 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 01:45 AM)basilransom Wrote:  As for SES, it's more important who you gel with than how much money you actually make, within reason.

True in theory but not reality.

You're out with guys earning dough and you're not.

They want to go to Cabo. Can you afford to roll?

They want to get a house. 5K for a week, and there are a few guys going.

Can you throw in?

Bar tabs at The Office are $900 or so (patron silver shots out of champagne flutes). Can you thrown in, or are you going to be the guy who is always getting fronted?

How long will the "charity" of the crew last?

It's not that people always judge by money. It's just that if there's a huge income disparity, guys just aren't able to roll.

I see your point. Thing is, you're focusing on the scenes where 9s tend to congregate, while I'm thinking of scenes where the girls are 6-8s with 9s sprinkled in organically. If a girl goes out of her way to venues with high status men, we shouldn't be surprised when she goes for those men. Those places may have the highest concentration of 9s, but don't have a lock on them by any means.

This comment by oldnemesis on a thread on dating in Ukraine came to mind:

Quote:Let me rephrase it this way: a woman who can get a man of acceptable quality who grew up in the same environment will not date a foreigner. It doesn't matter if she's in Ukraine, Thailand, Philippines or Russia. So those typically are the chicks who either have standards too high (and the local men of the quality she accepts disqualify her as they could get better), or who is so low quality that no local worth anything would pay her any attention.

I think garden variety 9s are similar. They're hot enough to have a good social circle, and to snag almost any man in it. There's no good reason for her to look outside it to find a man. The only time she will is if a strange man is far more attractive in some way than the men she can get in her circle. That's why they're consistently insular and exclusive. MikeCF is talking about those girls that have chosen the more xenophilic route, in return for a man with more money or status. Those girls congregate in certain areas, and that's where they find their prey. If a hot girl is going to leave her typical hunting grounds, you can bet she's going to make it count. She'll make sure her 'outside option' is at least a point higher. But for the girls milling about amongst the commoners, their men tend to be a lot more modest.

In my own area, I see plenty of such garden variety 9s hanging out with guys, who while cool and good-looking and are making decent money, they aren't super wealthy or handsome. If you're going to the big city hot-spots, these girls don't really figure in your analysis of the social landscape. I knew a dude briefly who was dating a girl appearing in Playboy (supposedly, never checked to see if she made it), and he was waiting tables at a bar. Average looking and average height too, and 'chill dude' game.

Post: #39

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Game isn't going to get you 9's.

If it did, where are the pictures?

HUNDREDS of "PUA's" and "pick-up coaches" and thousands of "gamers."

Where are all these dorky, short, poor guys with 9's?

The effort in getting a 6, 7, 8, and 9 is exponential.

Game alone will get you a 6 and some 7's.

That's why some guys who started running conventional game ultimately disagree with other guys.

I'm the first to admit that game is GREAT for pulling 6's and 7's.

Yet I'm also the first to admit that game is NOT going to get you many 8's and will probably never get you a 9.

So am I anti-game? No. I'm just anti-unrealistic expectations.

An 8 is 100 times harder than pulling a 6, and 10 times harder than pulling a 7.

Is a "gamer" with "game" more interesting and entertaining than a guy with a villa and who flies first class or by private jet?

Because that's the choice 8's (and especially 9's) are presented with.

Even guys with swagger and confidence will tell you that getting with 9's are rare.

To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money - and you'd better be willing to spread both around.

This.

In big cities, most of the guys that gets fly girls are cash rich or trust fund babies. This is more true especially in Asia where the girls tend to be gold diggers.

Post: #40

(02-29-2012 02:11 PM)Dyonisos Wrote:  My friend with really tight game pulls 7" and 8' on daily basis and 9' ocassionaly. His status? unemployed.

Pics or it never happened. Most likely it never happened. I keep hearing this but till now, nobody even dares to post pictures.