Post: #426

What's the one that doesn't believe in any of this bullshit?

Post: #427

I’m INTJ and I’ve banged all types

Post: #428

(10-15-2018 03:02 PM)SeaFM Wrote:  What's the one that doesn't believe in any of this bullshit?

Mine was stunningly accurate. Did yours not match up?

Post: #429

(10-15-2018 03:02 PM)SeaFM Wrote:  What's the one that doesn't believe in any of this bullshit?

This one.

(02-21-2012 09:32 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  BAMF. Always.

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INFJ reporting in, but three of them are very close to 50%/50% so essentially, I could be more than one type.

Quote:Advocates tend to see helping others as their purpose in life, but while people with this personality type can be found engaging rescue efforts and doing charity work, their real passion is to get to the heart of the issue so that people need not be rescued at all.

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What Does Each Letter Mean?
(My summary of "Understanding MBTI Type Dynamics", with some references from https://www.16personalities.com/articles/our-theory)

There have been many in this thread who have posted their MBTI personality types over the years, and I haven't seen a post that underpins the technical aspect of the "four letters". Once I read this technical information, my understanding of the MBTI dramatically increased.

Simply put, the four letters refer to an aspect of a person's personality and preferred methods of discernment, which are referred to as "functions".

1. The first letter represents a person's affinity for extroversion (outside world) or introversion (inside world). Extroverted people are more outgoing than introverted people.
2. The second letter represents the perception functions of intuition and sensing. This means that a person's discernment occurs through faith, imagery, symbolism or visualisation. The sensing person relies on experience, while the intuitive person relies on "gut feelings" or faith.
3. The third letter represents the judgement functions of thinking and feeling. This means that a person's discernment occurs through judgements, whether through logic or emotion. The thinking person makes judgements after considering all available perspectives, while the feeling person tends to say the first thought in their minds.
4. The fourth letter represents whether a person is primarily using judgement or perception as their primary method of discernment for the outside world. A perceptive person relies more on unconscious cues, actions and imagery, while a judgemental person relies more on records, facts and statements.
   

To better understand this concept, I will use my INFJ status as an example.

1. I am introverted, which means my primary method of discernment from the middle two letters is through the "inner world". My personality would be expressed through the secondary/auxiliary function, which is feeling.
2. My preferred method of perception is intuition & the less preferred one is sensing.
3. My preferred method of judgement is feeling & the less preferred one is thinking.
4. My preferred method of discernment for the outside world is judgement.
   

To conclude, the following functions are ordered from strongest to weakest:

• Primary/Dominant: Introverted intuition
• Secondary/Auxiliary: Extroverted feeling
• Tertiary: Introverted thinking
• Quaternary/Inferior: Extroverted sensing
  

To use another example, Roosh would have the following functions as an ENTJ.

• Primary/Dominant: Extroverted thinking
• Secondary/Auxiliary: Introverted intuition
• Tertiary: Extroverted sensing
• Quaternary/Inferior: Introverted feeling
  

Here is the image from "The NPC meme" thread that summarises everything above in an image:


Further reading from the Myers-Briggs website:

1. MBTI Basics
2. Type Dynamics
3. The Dominant Function
4. The Auxiliary Function
5. The Tertiary Function
6. The Fourth or Inferior Function
7. Preference You Tend to Show
8. The Eight Function Attitudes
9. Function Pairs
10. Lifelong Type Development
11. More About Personality Type
    

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Post: #430

I'm an asshole.

Post: #431

Here's an article from Scientific American: How Accurate Are Personality Tests?

Quote:One famous example of a popular but dubious commercial personality test is the Myers–Briggs Type Indicator. This questionnaire divides people into 16 different “types” and, often, the assessment will suggest certain career or romantic pairings. It costs $15 to $40 for an individual, but psychologists say the questionnaire is one of the worst personality tests in existence for a wide range of reasons.

Had to laugh..."one of the worst personality tests in existence"

Interestingly, the article does support another type of personality test:

Quote:There is one personality model that did survive the 20th century, though. It is popular among academics today... It’s called the Big 5 Personality Traits (aka 5-Factor Model)

Anyone come across this 5-Factor Model test?

Post: #432

The Big 5 is the one Jordan Peterson talks about all the time. Peterson doesn’t like MBTI. In fact, Big5 is highly correlated to MBTI but the perspective is a bit different. Personally I find MBTI more useful, although Big5 has the better scientific validation.

Post: #433

(10-16-2018 02:43 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  Here's an article from Scientific American: How Accurate Are Personality Tests?

Quote:One famous example of a popular but dubious commercial personality test is the Myers–Briggs Type Indicator. This questionnaire divides people into 16 different “types” and, often, the assessment will suggest certain career or romantic pairings. It costs $15 to $40 for an individual, but psychologists say the questionnaire is one of the worst personality tests in existence for a wide range of reasons.

Had to laugh..."one of the worst personality tests in existence"

Anytime modern academics say something is "the worst", or otherwise deride it, you have to account for the fact that it might just be ideologically problematic for them.

For example, if a test WORKS, but proves something they don't like, it is "the worst". Amazon's hiring AI was "the worst" because it quickly selected men as the best employees, for example. Paternity tests and IQ tests are "the worst". Etc.

Myers-Briggs reveals that large swathes of the population are idiots who shouldn't be trusted with anything important, which is not very compatible with equalist thinking. Your MBTI type is extremely good at predicting intelligence:



Take the ESFJ personality, for example. The wikipedia nicely sugarcoats that this personality type is not very smart on average:

"ESFJs focus on the outside world and assess their experiences subjectively. They largely base their judgments on their belief system and on the effects of actions on people. ESFJs are literal and concrete, trusting the specific, factual information gathered through their physiological senses..... ESFJs' values tend to be based more on those of their social group than on an independent internal set of ethics....ESFJs may be less interested in understanding the concepts behind the rules, tending to shy away from the abstract and impersonal.[10]"

What the evidence actually shows is that these people cannot comprehend abstract concepts, operate mostly on instinct, and rarely have even triple digit IQs. When Myers Briggs gets labeled pseudo-science, it's because someone realized humans aren't all "equal" (SAD!) and created a flimsy justification for why this is therefore not valid.

Compare the ESFJ description with the INTP. You might as well be talking about two different species:

"INTPs usually come to distrust authority as hindering the uptake of novel ideas and the search for knowledge. INTPs accept ideas based on merit, rather than tradition or authority. They have little patience for social customs that seem illogical or that obstruct the pursuit of ideas and knowledge.
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INTPs organize their understanding of any topic by articulating principles, and they are especially drawn to theoretical constructs. Having articulated these principles for themselves, they can demonstrate remarkable skill in explaining complex ideas to others in very simple terms, especially in writing. On the other hand, their ability to grasp complexity may also lead them to provide overly detailed explanations of simple ideas, and listeners may judge that the INTP makes things more difficult than they need to be. To the INTPs' mind, they are presenting all the relevant information or trying to crystallize the concept as clearly as possible.[13]
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According to Keirsey, based on behavioral characteristics, notable architects might include Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, and Thomas Jefferson.[3]"

Post: #434

I am: EXECUTIVE (ESTJ-A)

By this site: https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

I'm fine with it.

Post: #435

INTJ..tested several times. One of the rarest personality types. Always felt like an alien. But eagles soar alone as they say.

Post: #436

ENTJ (an I suspect others) is easily gamed on these tests and seems to be one that lots of people would like to be.

The field marshall. The god. The leader of men.

I suspect a lot of the ENTJ guys on this page are really nothing of the sort.

Just fantasy personality profiles.

Post: #437

^^^I came up as INTP....what a croc of shit
I answered honestly but I reckon the test would be better if someone who knows subject extremely well like a best mate, brother, mum or wife each did it the results would be more accurate
The INTP personalities 'are unlikely to understand emotional complaints at all'...I understand all right, I just don't like listening to self indulged people talk about themselves
'and their friends won’t find a bedrock of emotional support in them'....every cunt drops their shit on me, its like I have a mark on my back!
Fuckin Youtube was down....

Post: #438

My belief is that assigning one of 16 groups to yourself is a wrong tactic and just prays on the same mental errors as people believing in newspaper horoscopes.

Unless you are more then about 75% on any of the four axis, don't corner yourself by believing that this Meyers-Briggs test tells anything significant about you. The test is culturally relative, relative of your mood, of the iteration of the test maker, relative of many factors.

There is danger in taking these tests too seriously and believing false things about yourself, limiting your potential and limiting potential of other people who may turn out acting very differently then their four letter group abbreviation predict.

For instance if the person scores only 55% in I, N , T and J, he may very well turn out to be a full ESFP and a direct opposite of what the group he is assigned, because he might be in a different mood and of a different introspective capacity on the day he filled the test as opposed to the persona he puts up when dealing with other people.

These tests only tell you something important about yourself if you score more then about 75% on any of the axis. Then you can really assume about yourself that this test tells about some quality of yourself that you should consider when making career, relationship or other decisions. On the qualities where you score less then 75% on either direction - assume nothing and don't subscribe to any type. Don't limit yourself. At least learn about the neighboring types and consider whether you could function like them too.

Also your type can change too - I almost always scored as INTJ before - but when I got a promotion and now have people working under me I score ENTJ. So it is not that your personality determines your life - your life also makes you change your personality to some extent. I believe that extent to be no less then the center 50% of the most test axis. I fell perfectly fine functioning as both I and E based on circumstances and number of people surrounding me. Some similar ambiguity exists for other characteristics too.