Post: #1

Interesting post on roosh's blog in case you missed it...

http://www.rooshv.com/not-all-women-of-t...alpha-male

(01-31-2012 11:33 PM)Rooshv Wrote:  If you only interact with women in the United States, particularly the big cities, it’s easy to conclude that most of them want an alpha male. They want an outspoken, masculine, and cocky peacock that treats them poorly and plays hard to get. They don’t want an agreeable nice guy who gives them compliments and shows eagerness in wanting to take them out. Only by displaying alpha traits did I get laid as I came of age in Washington DC. Before I started traveling in my late 20s, I didn’t even think that women of the world would want their men any other way.

My game softened while I was in South America, but not too much. While I could be more affectionate and caring, the women of Brazil, for example, loved men who pursued them aggressively. The women of Colombia, used to dating mini drug lords, wanted ambitious men who weren’t shy about displaying their means. They seemed to want a 33% beta and 66% alpha man, a mix that didn’t clash with my prior held beliefs. It’s only when I got to Europe that my alpha male model of seeing the world started to collapse.

In Iceland, I noticed that the women didn’t care if you were alpha, just that you were good-looking and had a private room. In Denmark, I had to become an silent uber beta just to get laid. The more beta I was, the more Danish girls I fucked.

In Poland, I killed it by being a horny beta male. While I did approach and wasn’t shy about escalating, I complimented Polish women freely. I bought them drinks and even the occasional dinner, treating them like a girlfriend even if they weren’t. I wasn’t cocky and rarely teased them. I didn’t do anything to manually build attraction. I was just my talkative self and they were fine with that. The more soft and Drake-like I was, the more I was rewarded with their attention and affections.

I want to give additional clarification of what I mean by “beta.” I wasn’t supplicant and I didn’t hold their purse while they went to the bathroom, but I wasn’t an asshole either. I wasn’t needy, I didn’t contact them often, I didn’t want to see them more than twice a week, and I didn’t buy them presents or flowers, but I didn’t play hard to get. I led the interaction, but I considered their suggestions and needs into account, such as asking them where they wanted to go or what type of food they wanted to eat. I did my best to increase their happiness, but I also expected something in return for what I gave them. I wouldn’t disagree with you if you said that my preceding definition of beta is “lesser alpha,” but for the sake of contrast lets call it beta.

There was no thought in my head that said to run alpha game on Polish girls, simply because they were so sweet and compliant. It wouldn’t have made sense. They showed up on time for dates, didn’t play games, didn’t argue with me just for the sake of arguing, didn’t stare at their phones every five minutes, and didn’t try to make me jealous by flirting with other men. Even in long-term relationships it doesn’t appear you need to run “relationship game” to keep their attraction level high. It’s true that I did use game to get the bang, but it was soft compared to what I run on American women.

The alpha model that you know well, that you use to bang American girls, is a temporary aberration in male-female dynamics, a preference that arises when a culture becomes sick and the functioning of normal relationships—and therefore society—breaks down. Alpha preference is not universal and not the way things have always been (all those studies done today that suggest the preference are being done on American and British women, not Polish or Estonian). While your father may be an alpha, he has no clue what alpha means, because there was no need in his time to actively become anything but a provider. If you think back to the times when women wanted ultra alphas, it was only when life was brutally short and resources scarce, but as long as there were stable tribes, beta providers were preferred. Providing was alpha.

As much as I want to blame feminism for causing women to have a predominant alpha preference, the women of Scandinavia are hopelessly drowning in feminist propaganda but do not prefer alpha males. Besides the occasional experimentation with a bad boy, they prefer subservient betas. A dominant alpha preference is present in only a handful of countries, most of them English-speaking. Even in South America, a place where alphas can do quite well, you’d be shocked at how many sniveling betas you see with beautiful young women.

I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that something is wrong with a culture if the women explicitly prefer alpha males. It makes illogical sense from a biological and humanitarian standpoint that a woman would go after men who will not provide or take care of them. Consider that women in America are mindlessly rushing to be used as cum buckets, which is being further encouraged by the media and Hollywood that makes fun of beta men for being boring, dopey, or unromantic.

To find out if a mating behavior is wrong or not, just use the sister test. Would you want your sister riding the carousel? Would you want her being subjected to what you do to bang American women? Or would you want her playing hard to get in order to find a good man who wants to take care of her forever? A society is healthy if the way you want your sister treated is the normal and prevalent behavior. This is the case in Scandinavia, Poland, and the Baltics, but we don’t have that in America, a place where women openly despise and mock nice guys. The irony is that my sister knows I treat American girls like disposable razors while at the same time understanding that I must do so in order to get laid, as if I have no other choice.

The broken American system has given rise to sexual jackals like myself who take advantage of the current environment, but understand that a broken culture is not needed to have an exciting sex life. My time in Poland was sexually just as fun, only less porn-like. My mood was more balanced, my interactions with women were more pleasant, and my overall stress level was low. It now seems almost perverse to me that I had to act hard and hyper-masculine to fuck girls, that I had to be a caricature of an action movie character instead of simply being positive, easy-going, and engaging. But that’s the American culture we have today. If you live in the United States, learn to be ridiculously alpha or move somewhere else.

Post: #2

Roosh Wrote:In Poland, I killed it by being a horny beta male. While I did approach and wasn’t shy about escalating, I complimented Polish women freely. I bought them drinks and even the occasional dinner, treating them like a girlfriend even if they weren’t. I wasn’t cocky and rarely teased them. I didn’t do anything to manually build attraction. I was just my talkative self and they were fine with that. The more soft and Drake-like I was, the more I was rewarded with their attention and affections.

Oh man...it's a good thing you posted this now. I'm an extremely confident, self-centered asshole with women I want to eventually bang.

I need to start watching all episodes of "Queer eye for the straight guy" if I am to get laid in Poland.


Mixx

Post: #3

(02-20-2012 11:00 PM)lurker123123 Wrote:  Interesting post on roosh's blog in case you missed it...

http://www.rooshv.com/not-all-women-of-t...alpha-male

(01-31-2012 11:33 PM)Rooshv Wrote:  If you only interact with women in the United States, particularly the big cities, it’s easy to conclude that most of them want an alpha male. They want an outspoken, masculine, and cocky peacock that treats them poorly and plays hard to get. They don’t want an agreeable nice guy who gives them compliments and shows eagerness in wanting to take them out. Only by displaying alpha traits did I get laid as I came of age in Washington DC. Before I started traveling in my late 20s, I didn’t even think that women of the world would want their men any other way.

My game softened while I was in South America, but not too much. While I could be more affectionate and caring, the women of Brazil, for example, loved men who pursued them aggressively. The women of Colombia, used to dating mini drug lords, wanted ambitious men who weren’t shy about displaying their means. They seemed to want a 33% beta and 66% alpha man, a mix that didn’t clash with my prior held beliefs. It’s only when I got to Europe that my alpha male model of seeing the world started to collapse.

In Iceland, I noticed that the women didn’t care if you were alpha, just that you were good-looking and had a private room. In Denmark, I had to become an silent uber beta just to get laid. The more beta I was, the more Danish girls I fucked.

In Poland, I killed it by being a horny beta male. While I did approach and wasn’t shy about escalating, I complimented Polish women freely. I bought them drinks and even the occasional dinner, treating them like a girlfriend even if they weren’t. I wasn’t cocky and rarely teased them. I didn’t do anything to manually build attraction. I was just my talkative self and they were fine with that. The more soft and Drake-like I was, the more I was rewarded with their attention and affections.

I want to give additional clarification of what I mean by “beta.” I wasn’t supplicant and I didn’t hold their purse while they went to the bathroom, but I wasn’t an asshole either. I wasn’t needy, I didn’t contact them often, I didn’t want to see them more than twice a week, and I didn’t buy them presents or flowers, but I didn’t play hard to get. I led the interaction, but I considered their suggestions and needs into account, such as asking them where they wanted to go or what type of food they wanted to eat. I did my best to increase their happiness, but I also expected something in return for what I gave them. I wouldn’t disagree with you if you said that my preceding definition of beta is “lesser alpha,” but for the sake of contrast lets call it beta.

There was no thought in my head that said to run alpha game on Polish girls, simply because they were so sweet and compliant. It wouldn’t have made sense. They showed up on time for dates, didn’t play games, didn’t argue with me just for the sake of arguing, didn’t stare at their phones every five minutes, and didn’t try to make me jealous by flirting with other men. Even in long-term relationships it doesn’t appear you need to run “relationship game” to keep their attraction level high. It’s true that I did use game to get the bang, but it was soft compared to what I run on American women.

The alpha model that you know well, that you use to bang American girls, is a temporary aberration in male-female dynamics, a preference that arises when a culture becomes sick and the functioning of normal relationships—and therefore society—breaks down. Alpha preference is not universal and not the way things have always been (all those studies done today that suggest the preference are being done on American and British women, not Polish or Estonian). While your father may be an alpha, he has no clue what alpha means, because there was no need in his time to actively become anything but a provider. If you think back to the times when women wanted ultra alphas, it was only when life was brutally short and resources scarce, but as long as there were stable tribes, beta providers were preferred. Providing was alpha.

As much as I want to blame feminism for causing women to have a predominant alpha preference, the women of Scandinavia are hopelessly drowning in feminist propaganda but do not prefer alpha males. Besides the occasional experimentation with a bad boy, they prefer subservient betas. A dominant alpha preference is present in only a handful of countries, most of them English-speaking. Even in South America, a place where alphas can do quite well, you’d be shocked at how many sniveling betas you see with beautiful young women.

I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that something is wrong with a culture if the women explicitly prefer alpha males. It makes illogical sense from a biological and humanitarian standpoint that a woman would go after men who will not provide or take care of them. Consider that women in America are mindlessly rushing to be used as cum buckets, which is being further encouraged by the media and Hollywood that makes fun of beta men for being boring, dopey, or unromantic.

To find out if a mating behavior is wrong or not, just use the sister test. Would you want your sister riding the carousel? Would you want her being subjected to what you do to bang American women? Or would you want her playing hard to get in order to find a good man who wants to take care of her forever? A society is healthy if the way you want your sister treated is the normal and prevalent behavior. This is the case in Scandinavia, Poland, and the Baltics, but we don’t have that in America, a place where women openly despise and mock nice guys. The irony is that my sister knows I treat American girls like disposable razors while at the same time understanding that I must do so in order to get laid, as if I have no other choice.

The broken American system has given rise to sexual jackals like myself who take advantage of the current environment, but understand that a broken culture is not needed to have an exciting sex life. My time in Poland was sexually just as fun, only less porn-like. My mood was more balanced, my interactions with women were more pleasant, and my overall stress level was low. It now seems almost perverse to me that I had to act hard and hyper-masculine to fuck girls, that I had to be a caricature of an action movie character instead of simply being positive, easy-going, and engaging. But that’s the American culture we have today. If you live in the United States, learn to be ridiculously alpha or move somewhere else.

You sure about this... times may be changing, have a look:

Post: #4

Even within the same place, you need to adjust your game as you go on different "types" of girls. So it makes that sense that different continents require substantial changes.

Post: #5

This distinction between alphas and betas is valid only in America.Here we talk about Greek lover,Latin lover,gigolo,playboy etc.

A humorous video about the Greek lover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_sTEgDcQG0

In Poland you have to seem very shy and not threatening.As I have written before in slavic countries women run the game and if guys attempt to do it they seem strange and unreliable and get disqualified.Polih value more attitudes like humility,sensitivity,human contact,tact,intellectuality etc but they can go into beast mode if they like dresiarz.Generally lots of guys who have problems with other nationalities find heaven in Poland.It is good to appear weak and vulnerable.

With Germanics you always need to display some inner hardness despite being beta because German women do not appreciate weakness and will rule all over you totally dominating if you appear weak.Mediteranean men usually appear very weak to them an easy case of toy boys.

With slavic no matter how awkward you are it does not matter.The shit tests they run are very weak and will never find out.

Post: #6

I've been saying this since I got on this board. It has actually been my litmus test for posters. Anyone swearing that being alpha is the epitome of game I know to have very limited experience of travelling.

Post: #7

(02-21-2012 04:03 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  This distinction between alphas and betas is valid only in America.Here we talk about Greek lover,Latin lover,gigolo,playboy etc.

A humorous video about the Greek lover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_sTEgDcQG0

In Poland you have to seem very shy and not threatening.As I have written before in slavic countries women run the game and if guys attempt to do it they seem strange and unreliable and get disqualified.Polih value more attitudes like humility,sensitivity,human contact,tact,intellectuality etc but they can go into beast mode if they like dresiarz.Generally lots of guys who have problems with other nationalities find heaven in Poland.It is good to appear weak and vulnerable.

With Germanics you always need to display some inner hardness despite being beta because German women do not appreciate weakness and will rule all over you totally dominating if you appear weak.Mediteranean men usually appear very weak to them an easy case of toy boys.

With slavic no matter how awkward you are it does not matter.The shit tests they run are very weak and will never find out.

"With Germanics you always need to display some inner hardness "

With German women,If you fuck them in the ass and piss in their mouth you'll have a lifelong devoted companion!

Post: #8

I read the post and found it to be more concerned with "style" than anything else. This I can understand. Which is good because for a minute I worried that Master Roosh had found Jebus.

Post: #9

I think women outside the US still want an alpha male, it's just that they see an alpha differently..

Post: #10

(02-21-2012 04:03 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  In Poland you have to seem very shy and not threatening.

See, this can be a problem for guys like me. Not because I do not want to adjust my game, but because our upbringing made us "hard and tough". Along with my mother raising me to "be a man" and get used to pain, and demonstrate leadership at all costs.

Example: when I was 8 years old, I was being bullied by a bigger 12 year old in school. As my mother was picking me up from school one day, she saw this kid pushing me around as she observed from a distance. She took me home that day, sat me down, and after dinner told me "Tomorrow, you are going to go up to that kid I saw pushing you to the floor today, and you are going to hit him, over, and over, and over until your fists start to bleed or he starts crying. If you DO NOT do what I tell you to do, I am going hit, and hit, and hit you until you start bleeding." She was serious.

The next day, I did what I had to do (I was very scared), I waited for that kid, he started with his usual hitting me in the back of my neck as kind of slapping me, and I closed my fist and punch him with everything I had in my stomach, until he fell on his knees, then I punched, and punched, and punched just thinking and hoping he would start crying or my knuckles bleeding so that my mother would not hit me at home. I would much rather face a bully than my mom and her whip.

I am now 37, almost 30 years later...I still feel the pounding of that kids heart in my fists as I punched him until my own fists bled. That's how it was in my neighborhood - kill or be killed.

* Keep in mind this was early 80's in NYC, child abuse laws were not as publicly known then as today, even school teachers were allowed to hit you.

You can see how hard it is for someone who was raised on the tough streets of NYC under poor conditions, and physical confrontations almost on a daily basis, and then my early adult life, get laughed at, mocked at until you make it.

The making of a true alpha is not because he read countless books on how to be an Alpha. It's because he was raised in an environment that MADE HIM AN ALPHA, both at home and on the streets.

Asking me to be very shy, is like asking Diddy to buy his clothes at Walmart.

(02-21-2012 04:03 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  As I have written before in slavic countries women run the game and if guys attempt to do it they seem strange and unreliable and get disqualified.

What? This seems stupid, but I see what you mean. I was talking to a FOB polish girl tourists about 2 months ago, and she told me she did not like American men because they were too arrogant. I then asked her what she meant, and she said one guy she was with told her he only wanted her for sex to her face (an alpha trait, no shame in just wanting sex and being up-fron about it), and she said that he then had sex with her best friend and kicked her out of the house. Polish men would never do that.

(02-21-2012 04:03 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It is good to appear weak and vulnerable.

My upbringing will not allow this. Asking me to appear WEAK AND VULNERABLE like asking Obama to vote Republican, or asking one of the soldiers of the 300 to kneel to an opponent.

I seriously need to rethink my strategy in Poland, based on what you and Roosh are posting, I am being set-up for failure.


Mixx

Post: #11

That post, another gem by Roosh (that I read this morning), made me think that while not all women may necessarily want an Alpha male, the fact is that the definition of the term is not set in stone worldwide. In some countries being a provider is alpha, in some countries being a good listener and conversationalist is alpha, and in some countries (like America), the badboy thug is the alpha.

Or at least that`s what I pulled from the post...

Post: #12

(02-21-2012 08:11 AM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  "With Germanics you always need to display some inner hardness "

With German women,If you fuck them in the ass and piss in their mouth you'll have a lifelong devoted companion!

WOW. I'll be in Germany in about a week. If this is true I may never leave.

Post: #13

(02-21-2012 09:32 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:03 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  In Poland you have to seem very shy and not threatening.

See, this can be a problem for guys like me. Not because I do not want to adjust my game, but because our upbringing made us "hard and tough". Along with my mother raising me to "be a man" and get used to pain, and demonstrate leadership at all costs.

Example: when I was 8 years old, I was being bullied by a bigger 12 year old in school. As my mother was picking me up from school one day, she saw this kid pushing me around as she observed from a distance. She took me home that day, sat me down, and after dinner told me "Tomorrow, you are going to go up to that kid I saw pushing you to the floor today, and you are going to hit him, over, and over, and over until your fists start to bleed or he starts crying. If you DO NOT do what I tell you to do, I am going hit, and hit, and hit you until you start bleeding." She was serious.

The next day, I did what I had to do (I was very scared), I waited for that kid, he started with his usual hitting me in the back of my neck as kind of slapping me, and I closed my fist and punch him with everything I had in my stomach, until he fell on his knees, then I punched, and punched, and punched just thinking and hoping he would start crying or my knuckles bleeding so that my mother would not hit me at home. I would much rather face a bully than my mom and her whip.

I am now 37, almost 30 years later...I still feel the pounding of that kids heart in my fists as I punched him until my own fists bled. That's how it was in my neighborhood - kill or be killed.

* Keep in mind this was early 80's in NYC, child abuse laws were not as publicly known then as today, even school teachers were allowed to hit you.

You can see how hard it is for someone who was raised on the tough streets of NYC under poor conditions, and physical confrontations almost on a daily basis, and then my early adult life, get laughed at, mocked at until you make it.

The making of a true alpha is not because he read countless books on how to be an Alpha. It's because he was raised in an environment that MADE HIM AN ALPHA, both at home and on the streets.

Asking me to be very shy, is like asking Diddy to buy his clothes at Walmart.

(02-21-2012 04:03 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  As I have written before in slavic countries women run the game and if guys attempt to do it they seem strange and unreliable and get disqualified.

What? This seems stupid, but I see what you mean. I was talking to a FOB polish girl tourists about 2 months ago, and she told me she did not like American men because they were too arrogant. I then asked her what she meant, and she said one guy she was with told her he only wanted her for sex to her face (an alpha trait, no shame in just wanting sex and being up-fron about it), and she said that he then had sex with her best friend and kicked her out of the house. Polish men would never do that.

(02-21-2012 04:03 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It is good to appear weak and vulnerable.

My upbringing will not allow this. Asking me to appear WEAK AND VULNERABLE like asking Obama to vote Republican, or asking one of the soldiers of the 300 to kneel to an opponent.

I seriously need to rethink my strategy in Poland, based on what you and Roosh are posting, I am being set-up for failure.


Mixx

Mixx,

From what I know of the Polish in North Brooklyn, the largest population of them outside of Poland, the thug thing is still in effect (And there are a lot of pretty girls). Like you said, it's a working class thing. I'd bet that if you go to the working class parts of Poland, or anywhere, you'd be able to play the tough-guy alpha.

My sense, from what Roosh says about the Scandinavian countries, is that tough-alpha doesn't fly because they just don't have a working class like we do in the states.

Post: #14

Generally women accuse Americans as simpleutons and very straight forward.That is why I think an English guy for example can kill it in America.He will play the women in many levels and they simply are not exposed to that like European women.They will say how interesting etc.Or the Italian will find a heaven when the tricks he pulled out unsuccessfully in Italy will get him easy lays in USA due to the realative inexperience of local women to his techniques.The same do some Turks in resorts with European women.

Anyway if one gets tuned to Slavic women then it is mostly the same.Except that it is very difficult to get back to Germanics and adjust his game to them.Ukrainian women will tell you everything they want and it is the same what polish women want.Polish however will not tell you they hint at this.Czech do not even hint they want you to guess it.

For example leaving aside emotional matters let's see how different they will put their material demands:

1.Ukrainian:Give me money for the rent!

2.Polish:Darling,lately I have been in severe problems.I almost got ousted of my house.

3.Czech:There is now a crisis in Czech Republic my brother for example does not pay his part of rent regularly.

The answer is common in all these cases:Darling I will be glad to help you with rent.

It is the same with all other issues.Ukraina is the ultimate school girls there speak out of their teeth nothing to guess.

Post: #15

(02-21-2012 11:43 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  1.Ukrainian:Give me money for the rent!

Answer: Let me have sex with your girlfriend without you bitchin' about it later.

(02-21-2012 11:43 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  2.Polish:Darling,lately I have been in severe problems.I almost got ousted of my house.

Answer: Really? How sad, why don't we talk about this in my house...and tell your GF to come too, we can all support you through this difficult time.

(02-21-2012 11:43 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  3.Czech:There is now a crisis in Czech Republic my brother for example does not pay his part of rent regularly.

Answer: yeah, I have noticed. I have not been getting good sex from women here lately, it's always been so-so. maybe I need to spice up my sex life a bit more with someone else.

(02-21-2012 11:43 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The answer is common in all these cases:Darling I will be glad to help you with rent.

Unless I get something of higher value in return, then no problem.

Mixx

Post: #16

(02-21-2012 09:47 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 08:11 AM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  "With Germanics you always need to display some inner hardness "

With German women,If you fuck them in the ass and piss in their mouth you'll have a lifelong devoted companion!

WOW. I'll be in Germany in about a week. If this is true I may never leave.

Go hard on them (in the bedroom) and they'll be happy.In my experience a lot of them have a strong hard kink streak.
That goes for the well brought up girls too!
Be a gent out and about and during pick up.

Post: #17

To me this whole International Alpha-Beta Debate comes down one thing: there are different ways to manifest alpha behavior. Men are the most adaptable creatures in the universe, and they adjust according to local conditions. In certain communities (I think this varies not just by countries, but within countries), you need to be hard-ass motherfucker--a traditional, more obvious alpha. This is what Mixx has described and what gets you pretty far in a lot of the US. In other countries or in certain niches, you play the soft outside, but strong inner-game, with confidence. This, in my opinion, is still a form of alpha.

I've seen these flimsy, weak, piece-of-shit hipster dudes acting like such women that I want to throw up. But here and there, I'll see one that looks and acts virtually the same, but then commands his (invariably super-cute) girlfriend around like a puppy dog and makes fun of her and friends. He knows a shit-ton of people and doesn't care about anything. Yet, he looks like a pussy. Alpha certified.

This is why alpha is such a slippery term around here. There are varieties--from country to country and from community to community.

Post: #18

(02-21-2012 01:35 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  To me this whole International Alpha-Beta Debate comes down one thing: there are different ways to manifest alpha behavior. Men are the most adaptable creatures in the universe, and they adjust according to local conditions. In certain communities (I think this varies not just by countries, but within countries), you need to be hard-ass motherfucker--a traditional, more obvious alpha. This is what Mixx has described and what gets you pretty far in a lot of the US. In other countries or in certain niches, you play the soft outside, but strong inner-game, with confidence. This, in my opinion, is still a form of alpha.

I've seen these flimsy, weak, piece-of-shit hipster dudes acting like such women that I want to throw up. But here and there, I'll see one that looks and acts virtually the same, but then commands his (invariably super-cute) girlfriend around like a puppy dog and makes fun of her and friends. He knows a shit-ton of people and doesn't care about anything. Yet, he looks like a pussy. Alpha certified.

This is why alpha is such a slippery term around here. There are varieties--from country to country and from community to community.

I'd even go so far as to say that a DHV in the hard-ass community can be a DLV in the hipster community and visa versa.

So, being tough and big means power in the former, but it communicates that you come from a lower-class to the latter.

Conversely, being effeminate looking in the ghetto will get you your ass kicked, while it can be a way of peacocking in the hipstery places.


Interestingly enough, the place where Mixx comes from, Bushwick, is the perfect example of hipster coming up against ghetto. I know hipster guys who have been beaten to near death or held up at gunpoint. At the same time, gentrification via hipsters from out of town is slowly dispersing the ghetto parts.

Post: #19

I think that there are core "alpha" traits that work everywhere. The problem is that those core traits are EXTREMELY difficult to fake or learn quickly, so as a result they are talked about but not really "taught" as part of game. On the other hand, there are some traits that I would just label "being a douchebag" that CAN be taught and learned very easily, that some women (particularly sluts in the US) respond to AS IF they were alpha traits. For example:

It is hard to teach a naturally beta guy that he should not tolerate bitchy behavior from women. He is so used to swallowing a mouthful of shit in the hopes of getting a whiff of pussy that he doesn't know any other way. It is MUCH easier to teach him to neg women at any sign of bitchy behavior, or even pre-emptively.

It is hard to teach an insecure guy that he is of high value, especially if he sees all of these better looking and more successful guys around. It is much easier to teach him to ACT "cocky funny" or some other shit like that.

Now, because the vast majority of guys a girl meets are unassertive betas who all float around the same level in terms of looks and socio-economic status, a guy FAKING alpha will at least stand out (in effect, it is just another form of peacocking). This is especially true in bars/clubs, where noise and a ton of competition make it harder to display one's unique DHVs.

Also, there is a significant contingent of women out there that are sluts who have HORRIBLE judgement when it comes to guys and mistake douchebag/asshole game as being alpha. If you don't believe me, go through all the women that responded positively to douchebag/asshole game and ask yourself if they had better or worse judgement overall, even compared to other women. Responding positively to someone who treats you like shit is a mental illness. The extreme versions of this are chicks who keep getting into abusive relationships.

I've said it in previous posts but I will repeat it here. IMHO, 80-90% of the success guys have from "game" comes from simply approaching and constantly escalating with a large enough pool of women. Also that technique has a generative effect. Once a guy goes from pussy starvation to realizing that if he simply approaches enough women he will get laid then his confidence begins to skyrocket. As his confidence grows, his game naturally becomes MUCH MUCH tighter.

Furthermore, the simplest way to bang high quality women is to be a high quality guy, or at least high quality relative to the other options the woman has. If you are living a great life and doing great things you will draw quality women to you. Do you want a woman who is fascinated by your travels to Colombia and the Czech Republic, or do you want a woman who only responds positively to you after you make backhanded insults about her dress or makeup?

Maybe it is because I am in my mid-thirties now, but I have ZERO fucking patience with women who give too much shit. I don't even bother throwing shit back at them, I make it clear that I won't tolerate it, and if they persist I just drop them and move on. MY TIME IS TOO VALUABLE TO TRAIN THEM. There are WAY too many women out there that are BEGGING for a successful, well traveled man to waste my time with one who throws shit test after shit test and can't even see real value.

Post: #20

When in Rome, do as the Romans. The Roman alphas that is!

I don't care if my actions are considered "alpha" or "beta". That's a debate about words, language, and semantics.

I only care if my actions bring money, women, and happiness.

I can get those things Bill Gates style.

I can get those things Jay-Z style.

I can get them loud and flashy or I can get them quiet and reserved.

I'm only concerned with getting them.

I'll leave the "alpha/beta" debates for internet forums.

Post: #21

Mixx: You need to turn the dial all the way down in Poland. Just about any game can work there EXCEPT cocky asshole.... ESPECIALLY if you're good looking.. real talk. You already got the look, just be friendly and outgoing. They won't shit test you, but definitely screen out girls with boyfriends.

Post: #22

(02-21-2012 04:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Mixx: You need to turn the dial all the way down in Poland. Just about any game can work there EXCEPT cocky asshole.... ESPECIALLY if you're good looking.. real talk. You already got the look, just be friendly and outgoing. They won't shit test you, but definitely screen out girls with boyfriends.

So, what do you suggest I start practicing (as tough as that will be) to tone my cocky-asshole game down for Poland? How far toned-down do I have to go? My trip is April 15th to get ready.


Should I start practicing complimenting girls on how pretty they are up front, pretending I care what they have to say, buying flowers (good g** this is going to be difficult), and holding doors open?

It's almost as if I am unlearning game

Mixx

Post: #23

In Poland a lot also depends on how much ground polish men will give you.If you try to extract the alpha class of women they will come to block you.It is slavic pride.Generally they took me for a Slav in Poland(usually Czech or Ukrainian) so the suggestions were relatively friendly.I am not sure what will happen if you have the wrong color of skin.

Anyway I remember I was in Berlin in a trip and came for one day excursion to Poznan.After doing every perversion possible(hardcore stuff) with a girl who came to visit me from province I locked her in hotel room and stromed to Budha Bar club.There I was totally dominating the guys there could not believe their eyes how easily I extracted phone numbers,hugs,kiss closes.What destriyed me was the dance floor polish girls call you to dance with them and I am bad at dancing I simply do not get the rhythm.So at this point my power collapsed and I had to go back to the hotel and fuck the girl I locked there.Next day morning I got back to Berlin and got some phone numbers in the train to there as well.

Of course confrontations with Polaci did not miss but as I explained always in a friendly mode respect the Slavs they are considered friends here.

Post: #24

The usual conversation with polish women is very simple(not so simle as with Ukrainian though).You just tell her about Poland.Some things you have to know:

1.Polish singers like Doda

2.Polish food like bigos,pierogi

3.Polish cities and provinces

4.Disco polo

5.That the Pope was a Pole(tell them I loved Jan Pawel he was the real Pope)

For example do you like Doda?(This question means are you a whore?Are you a bit slutty?Are you an immature girl?They usually answer I do not like Doda).

Other questiono you like bigos?(this means are you a good cook?Do you care for your man?)They usually answer I like bigos.And you?

Other:Are you from Wroclaw?Is it in Silesia?(this means that you know polish geography and are you agood oriented and knowledgeable person)

Do you like disco polo?(this means are you one of these usual provincial polish girls with no taste who dance disco polo and drink in the weddings?)They usually answer I do not like disco polo.And you?

The Pope was great.This was a true Pop despite I am not catholic.(they agree they will say sth like he is my favorite Pope).

Etc.Usually escalation takes place very quickly.I usually force things in Balkan mode because I lack time.

Post: #25

(02-21-2012 04:14 PM)MiXX Wrote:  ...So, what do you suggest I start practicing (as tough as that will be) to tone my cocky-asshole game down for Poland? How far toned-down do I have to go? My trip is April 15th to get ready.


Should I start practicing complimenting girls on how pretty they are up front, pretending I care what they have to say, buying flowers (good g** this is going to be difficult), and holding doors open?

It's almost as if I am unlearning game

Mixx

MiXX,

Is your game really cocky-asshole, or just confident-aggressive? IMHO, there is a difference. I have had to adjust my level of aggressiveness with women, depending on where I am. In some situations, the level of aggressiveness I display with a Costa Rican or Dominican chica would actually be considered threatening to some American girls.