Post: #1

So it looks like Cotto and Mayweather is on for May 5th and Pacman vs. Bradley is almost a done deal....For all my boxing afficionados out there..What would be the best way to affect revenue/ppv sales/etc....or I guess to boycott both fights? I think thats the only way to TRY and make the Pacman/Money fight before the year ends...I can only think of "groups" titled "Boycott all Mayweather/Pacman fights until THEY FIGHT" or something along those lines on social media sites....Otherwise, unless sales trends dip for the promoters etc, its gonna be the same BS...THoughts?

Post: #2

Mayweather/Pacquiao couldn't possibly happen now until sometime next year. I think they have one more shot at getting it done by the middle of next year, and if it doesn't happen then, it won't at all.

Mayweather/Cotto can potentially be an entertaining fight. But I understand that anything other than Floyd/Pac will fail to get people excited. I've said it before, and I'll say it again here - Bob Arum is the reason this fight isn't happening. It isn't Floyd's fault.

Post: #3

Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto should actually be a great fight.

Although, I must admit, it is kind of like swooping the 2nd hottest girl in the bar.

Not the first.

Post: #4

(02-04-2012 11:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto should actually be a great fight.

I just don't see this being a great fight. Cotto is nowhere near Floyd's caliber of boxing, speed, technique and precision.

I really, really want to be excited about this fight, but I just can't get myself to hit the "buy" button on my remote the night of the fight.


Mixx

Post: #5

Miguel Cotto will beat Mayweather when hell freezes over.

Post: #6

Personally, I rather see Mayweather vs. Martinez at 155 just so Floyd gets a shot at the middleweight title. The more I see Pac...the more I see Mayweather winning big.

Post: #7

(02-05-2012 02:38 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto should actually be a great fight.

I just don't see this being a great fight. Cotto is nowhere near Floyd's caliber of boxing, speed, technique and precision.

I really, really want to be excited about this fight, but I just can't get myself to hit the "buy" button on my remote the night of the fight.


Mixx

Well, here is my reasoning.

Whenever you are watching Floyd, you are seeing arguably the best fighter on the entire planet, fight.

Not the best in the hood. Not the best in the city. Not the best in the country. The world.

That alone for a student of the Game like myself is worth the price of admission.

Cotto is arguably not the same fighter as he was pre-Margarito handwraps.

However, he always gives 180% in every fight. And with erasing the Margarito loss from his record, homeboy only has one loss (un-avenged), to Pac-man.

Not too shabby.

Trust me, there is almost no way this fight will not be worth watching.

Disclaimer: Unless Floyd's speed is just too much of a difference, and we see another Mayweather VS Gatti. Which would be sad to see.

Post: #8

(02-05-2012 06:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 02:38 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto should actually be a great fight.

I just don't see this being a great fight. Cotto is nowhere near Floyd's caliber of boxing, speed, technique and precision.

I really, really want to be excited about this fight, but I just can't get myself to hit the "buy" button on my remote the night of the fight.


Mixx

Well, here is my reasoning.

Whenever you are watching Floyd, you are seeing arguably the best fighter on the entire planet, fight.

Not the best in the hood. Not the best in the city. Not the best in the country. The world.

That alone for a student of the Game like myself is worth the price of admission.

Cotto is arguably not the same fighter as he was pre-Margarito handwraps.

However, he always gives 180% in every fight. And with erasing the Margarito loss from his record, homeboy only has one loss (un-avenged), to Pac-man.

Not too shabby.

Trust me, there is almost no way this fight will not be worth watching.

Disclaimer: Unless Floyd's speed is just too much of a difference, and we see another Mayweather VS Gatti. Which would be sad to see.

As someone who just enjoys observing the sweet science at work, then I see where you're coming from. But for straight up fight fans, this match falls short. The real match, the only one left in all of boxing, is Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. Even that one is losing its appeal as these fighters are already past their prime.

Post: #9

Cotto v Mayweather would be interesting, but still hate all of these "stalls" for the fight that people want to see (Pac vs Floyd).

Yeahyeahyeah more hype more trash talk more money, but for me at the end of the day it's all about who mans up and steps up, who beats who in the ring, and the fight itself.

Post: #10

(02-05-2012 06:40 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  Cotto v Mayweather would be interesting, but still hate all of these "stalls" for the fight that people want to see (Pac vs Floyd).

Yeahyeahyeah more hype more trash talk more money, but for me at the end of the day it's all about who mans up and steps up, who beats who in the ring, and the fight itself.

I can't say which one of these fighters is dodging the big fight (Pac or Money), but boxing as a spectator sport has been steadily eroding and has already been overtaken by UFC. This is probably the last big fight left before boxing is pretty much done as a spectator event. There's not much time left before people just don't care anymore to watch two old ass men fight each other.

Post: #11

It's too late for the pac vs Mayweather fight . Not only the hype has past but, I'm pretty sure it will be a lame fight where Floyd will win an easy UD . I will pay for a Khan / Pac or a Khan /Floyd fight tho . I'm not a big UFC fan but, what I like the champ can't duck the best oponent . He have to face him. And they don't have many refering and disgusting point card that boxing has faced the last few years .

Post: #12

The thing that makes the UFC great is the thing that boxing will never see again - ONE guy/organization runs MMA, Dana White. He's the only matchmaker. The best guys will always be fighting each other because of that. There was a time in boxing when there was only one belt, so if you wanted it, you had to go through the top contenders. Once boxing started splintering into different organizations, all with their own belts and agendas, each organization simply wanted to protect it's own champ. Sure, on occasion they'll unify a belt or two, but each organization wants the champ to fight their #1 contender within a certain time, and if that doesn't happen, they strip their belt and set up their own title fight, starting the cycle again. Top contenders all want to fight the weakest of the beltholders, so they can eventually set up a unification bout with one of the better champs. Coming to the table with a belt means more money. Also, automatic rematch clauses ensure that top contenders either have to wait, or don't get a shot at all.

The only solution is fighters themselves getting more power over fight making, but the problem is only the most talented fighters can get that power. And only if they have the ability to handle and manage that responsibility (like De La Hoya had, and now Mayweather). De La Hoya had to sue to free himself from Bob Arum, and Oscar was able to make any fight he wanted. To his credit, he only wanted to fight the best fighters out there, and because of the power he held, he often made the bulk of the purse over fighters that I thought were actually more exciting, better fighters. Mayweather has a lot of power, but it's still hard for him to make certain fights because a promoter like Arum won't act in his fighter's best interests (Pacquiao), but acts only in his OWN interests.

Post: #13

(02-07-2012 01:03 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  The thing that makes the UFC great is the thing that boxing will never see again - ONE guy/organization runs MMA, Dana White. He's the only matchmaker. The best guys will always be fighting each other because of that. There was a time in boxing when there was only one belt, so if you wanted it, you had to go through the top contenders. Once boxing started splintering into different organizations, all with their own belts and agendas, each organization simply wanted to protect it's own champ. Sure, on occasion they'll unify a belt or two, but each organization wants the champ to fight their #1 contender within a certain time, and if that doesn't happen, they strip their belt and set up their own title fight, starting the cycle again. Top contenders all want to fight the weakest of the beltholders, so they can eventually set up a unification bout with one of the better champs. Coming to the table with a belt means more money. Also, automatic rematch clauses ensure that top contenders either have to wait, or don't get a shot at all.

The only solution is fighters themselves getting more power over fight making, but the problem is only the most talented fighters can get that power. And only if they have the ability to handle and manage that responsibility (like De La Hoya had, and now Mayweather). De La Hoya had to sue to free himself from Bob Arum, and Oscar was able to make any fight he wanted. To his credit, he only wanted to fight the best fighters out there, and because of the power he held, he often made the bulk of the purse over fighters that I thought were actually more exciting, better fighters. Mayweather has a lot of power, but it's still hard for him to make certain fights because a promoter like Arum won't act in his fighter's best interests (Pacquiao), but acts only in his OWN interests.

This is exactly correct.

Back when Boxing was the most popular sport in the world, an average sports fan could name all 12 title holders.

Hell, I love boxing and I can barely tell you who holds any titles today.

I have a better chance of telling you title holders from the 50's.

Post: #14

I don't even want to talk about boxing until Pac/PBF fight.

Cotto isn't really on the same level as Floyd right? Too much hand speed and movement?

Floyd is not gonna stand in the center of the ring and get into a Puerto Rican bar fight with him.

Post: #15

(02-07-2012 01:22 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Back when Boxing was the most popular sport in the world, an average sports fan could name all 12 title holders.

Hell, I love boxing and I can barely tell you who holds any titles today.

I have a better chance of telling you title holders from the 50's.

When boxing allowed 4 major sanctioning bodies (WBA,WBC,IBF,WBO), it went to hell. THEN to complicate even more, you had interim champions, super champions and regular champions (thanks WBA). Then to REALLY fukk shyt up every damn time a boxer unifies two or more belts, they strip him and break up the unification.

Post: #16

(02-07-2012 08:23 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 01:22 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Back when Boxing was the most popular sport in the world, an average sports fan could name all 12 title holders.

Hell, I love boxing and I can barely tell you who holds any titles today.

I have a better chance of telling you title holders from the 50's.

When boxing allowed 4 major sanctioning bodies (WBA,WBC,IBF,WBO), it went to hell. THEN to complicate even more, you had interim champions, super champions and regular champions (thanks WBA). Then to REALLY fukk shyt up every damn time a boxer unifies two or more belts, they strip him and break up the unification.

Then to complicate it even more, they added the "junior" weightclasses and "super" weight classes.

ie Junior middleweight, super middle weight.

Sometimes the different organizations had different names for the same weightclass ie super welterweight and junior middleweight.

They were both at 154 pounds.

Regardless, boxing is still leaps and bounds the best sport in the world today.

The greatest athlete in all of sport will always be a Boxer.

The athlete with the biggest impact on the world will always be a Boxer.

The most recognizable athlete on earth will always be a Boxer.

Post: #17

(02-07-2012 08:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Regardless, boxing is still leaps and bounds the best sport in the world today.

The greatest athlete in all of sport will always be a Boxer.

The athlete with the biggest impact on the world will always be a Boxer.

The most recognizable athlete on earth will always be a Boxer.

You're definitely reaching there bro. There's no way any current boxer is as famous as Cristiano Ronaldo or as recognized. Soccer is the world's greatest sport. Many other sports have athletes more recognizable than any current boxer. Kobe Bryant is way more recognizable than any boxer today.

Boxers have great conditioning as athletes, but I wouldn't say any more than water polo players. You want to talk about a tough sport, there you go.

Impact? Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

Best sport? What exactly do you mean by that? It's one of the worst sports. Judges often arbitrarily pick winners. There's so much corruption in boxing as well.

Post: #18

(02-07-2012 08:55 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 08:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Regardless, boxing is still leaps and bounds the best sport in the world today.

The greatest athlete in all of sport will always be a Boxer.

The athlete with the biggest impact on the world will always be a Boxer.

The most recognizable athlete on earth will always be a Boxer.

You're definitely reaching there bro. There's no way any current boxer is as famous as Cristiano Ronaldo or as recognized. Soccer is the world's greatest sport. Many other sports have athletes more recognizable than any current boxer. Kobe Bryant is way more recognizable than any boxer today.

Boxers have great conditioning as athletes, but I wouldn't say any more than water polo players. You want to talk about a tough sport, there you go.

Impact? Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

Best sport? What exactly do you mean by that? It's one of the worst sports. Judges often arbitrarily pick winners. There's so much corruption in boxing as well.

Not really reaching bro.

What I said is true of the last 300 years.

And could be argued going back to B.C.

It is my bet is that will hold.

Pac-Mans impact on the world is way greater than Ronaldo or Bryant.

Quote:Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

I have never seen anything concrete that suggests this.

This is what your typical guy wearing a glittery shirt says.

Boxing to my knowledge generates way more money world wide.

If you have any official balance sheets to correct me, I would be interested in seeing them.

Post: #19

(02-07-2012 09:14 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 08:55 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 08:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Regardless, boxing is still leaps and bounds the best sport in the world today.

The greatest athlete in all of sport will always be a Boxer.

The athlete with the biggest impact on the world will always be a Boxer.

The most recognizable athlete on earth will always be a Boxer.

You're definitely reaching there bro. There's no way any current boxer is as famous as Cristiano Ronaldo or as recognized. Soccer is the world's greatest sport. Many other sports have athletes more recognizable than any current boxer. Kobe Bryant is way more recognizable than any boxer today.

Boxers have great conditioning as athletes, but I wouldn't say any more than water polo players. You want to talk about a tough sport, there you go.

Impact? Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

Best sport? What exactly do you mean by that? It's one of the worst sports. Judges often arbitrarily pick winners. There's so much corruption in boxing as well.

Not really reaching bro.

What I said is true of the last 300 years.

It is my bet is that will hold.

Soccer has been the world's greatest and most influential sport for a long time now. Just look at the viewership rates of a World Cup match, or even a La Liga or English Premier League game. No competition. Not even close.

Post: #20

Quote:

(02-07-2012 08:55 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 08:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Regardless, boxing is still leaps and bounds the best sport in the world today.

The greatest athlete in all of sport will always be a Boxer.

The athlete with the biggest impact on the world will always be a Boxer.

The most recognizable athlete on earth will always be a Boxer.

You're definitely reaching there bro. There's no way any current boxer is as famous as Cristiano Ronaldo or as recognized. Soccer is the world's greatest sport. Many other sports have athletes more recognizable than any current boxer. Kobe Bryant is way more recognizable than any boxer today.

Boxers have great conditioning as athletes, but I wouldn't say any more than water polo players. You want to talk about a tough sport, there you go.

Impact? Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

Best sport? What exactly do you mean by that? It's one of the worst sports. Judges often arbitrarily pick winners. There's so much corruption in boxing as well.

If G was mostly referring to Muhammad Ali then he might have a point.

Anyway, what's tarnishing boxing today is what actually made it intriguing in the past.

Have any of you guys seen that HBO documentary on Thrilla in Manila?

That was good stuff.

Post: #21

(02-07-2012 09:21 PM)3am Wrote:  

Quote:

(02-07-2012 08:55 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 08:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Regardless, boxing is still leaps and bounds the best sport in the world today.

The greatest athlete in all of sport will always be a Boxer.

The athlete with the biggest impact on the world will always be a Boxer.

The most recognizable athlete on earth will always be a Boxer.

You're definitely reaching there bro. There's no way any current boxer is as famous as Cristiano Ronaldo or as recognized. Soccer is the world's greatest sport. Many other sports have athletes more recognizable than any current boxer. Kobe Bryant is way more recognizable than any boxer today.

Boxers have great conditioning as athletes, but I wouldn't say any more than water polo players. You want to talk about a tough sport, there you go.

Impact? Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

Best sport? What exactly do you mean by that? It's one of the worst sports. Judges often arbitrarily pick winners. There's so much corruption in boxing as well.

If G was mostly referring to Muhammad Ali then he might have a point.

Anyway, what's tarnishing boxing today is what actually made it intriguing in the past.

Have any of you guys seen that HBO documentary on Thrilla in Manila?

That was good stuff.

Muhammad Ali's popularity has nothing to do with boxing. He's a transformational figure who happened to come out of boxing.

He converted to Islam and was vocal against US government policies. When he was Cassius Clay, he wasn't a world figure.

What really made Ali famous was when he had his boxing license revoked and spent those years in prison for refusing to get drafted in Vietnam.

That, coupled with his high profile conversion to Islam and very outspoken nature, made him a world figure and champion of Civil Rights.

Post: #22

(02-07-2012 09:23 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 09:21 PM)3am Wrote:  

Quote:

(02-07-2012 08:55 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 08:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Regardless, boxing is still leaps and bounds the best sport in the world today.

The greatest athlete in all of sport will always be a Boxer.

The athlete with the biggest impact on the world will always be a Boxer.

The most recognizable athlete on earth will always be a Boxer.

You're definitely reaching there bro. There's no way any current boxer is as famous as Cristiano Ronaldo or as recognized. Soccer is the world's greatest sport. Many other sports have athletes more recognizable than any current boxer. Kobe Bryant is way more recognizable than any boxer today.

Boxers have great conditioning as athletes, but I wouldn't say any more than water polo players. You want to talk about a tough sport, there you go.

Impact? Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

Best sport? What exactly do you mean by that? It's one of the worst sports. Judges often arbitrarily pick winners. There's so much corruption in boxing as well.

If G was mostly referring to Muhammad Ali then he might have a point.

Anyway, what's tarnishing boxing today is what actually made it intriguing in the past.

Have any of you guys seen that HBO documentary on Thrilla in Manila?

That was good stuff.

Muhammad Ali's popularity has nothing to do with boxing. He's a transformational figure who happened to come out of boxing.

He converted to Islam and was vocal against US government policies. When he was Cassius Clay, he wasn't a world figure.

What really made Ali famous was when he had his boxing license revoked and spent those years in prison for refusing to get drafted in Vietnam.

That, coupled with his high profile conversion to Islam and very outspoken nature, made him a world figure and champion of Civil Rights.

Alright.

When you have a transformational figure who happened to come out of another sport, then you can bring your case to me.

Post: #23

(02-07-2012 09:28 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 09:23 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 09:21 PM)3am Wrote:  

Quote:

(02-07-2012 08:55 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  You're definitely reaching there bro. There's no way any current boxer is as famous as Cristiano Ronaldo or as recognized. Soccer is the world's greatest sport. Many other sports have athletes more recognizable than any current boxer. Kobe Bryant is way more recognizable than any boxer today.

Boxers have great conditioning as athletes, but I wouldn't say any more than water polo players. You want to talk about a tough sport, there you go.

Impact? Boxing and MMA have an inverse relationship. As MMA rises in popularity, boxing erodes.

Best sport? What exactly do you mean by that? It's one of the worst sports. Judges often arbitrarily pick winners. There's so much corruption in boxing as well.

If G was mostly referring to Muhammad Ali then he might have a point.

Anyway, what's tarnishing boxing today is what actually made it intriguing in the past.

Have any of you guys seen that HBO documentary on Thrilla in Manila?

That was good stuff.

Muhammad Ali's popularity has nothing to do with boxing. He's a transformational figure who happened to come out of boxing.

He converted to Islam and was vocal against US government policies. When he was Cassius Clay, he wasn't a world figure.

What really made Ali famous was when he had his boxing license revoked and spent those years in prison for refusing to get drafted in Vietnam.

That, coupled with his high profile conversion to Islam and very outspoken nature, made him a world figure and champion of Civil Rights.

Alright.

When you have a transformational figure who happened to come out of another sport, then you can bring your case to me.

I don't need to make a case. The numbers tell it all. Look at the economic/cultural/social impact of soccer. The World Cup? The Champions League (richest sports organization in world history)?

Soccer is the number one sport in nearly every country outside of North America.

FIFA has more member nations than the UN!

You can't be serious...

Post: #24

Ali's social consciousness has to do with what happened to him and his own personal beliefs, and the times in which he lived. Extremely unique situation.

No other boxer has had the impact he had because they weren't forced to make sacrifices like he did.

Michael Jordan could have easily chosen to speak out on social issues, but he kept quiet and is still immensely popular around the world. Just imagine if he had opened his mouth like Ali. Could have been serious...

Same with stars like Pele or Maradona.

Most cats just like to enjoy their fame and money and live a quiet life.

Ali is one of the rare talents who was forced into an uncompromising position where his personality cost him some prime years in his career.

Post: #25

(02-07-2012 09:33 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 09:28 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 09:23 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 09:21 PM)3am Wrote:  

Quote:

If G was mostly referring to Muhammad Ali then he might have a point.

Anyway, what's tarnishing boxing today is what actually made it intriguing in the past.

Have any of you guys seen that HBO documentary on Thrilla in Manila?

That was good stuff.

Muhammad Ali's popularity has nothing to do with boxing. He's a transformational figure who happened to come out of boxing.

He converted to Islam and was vocal against US government policies. When he was Cassius Clay, he wasn't a world figure.

What really made Ali famous was when he had his boxing license revoked and spent those years in prison for refusing to get drafted in Vietnam.

That, coupled with his high profile conversion to Islam and very outspoken nature, made him a world figure and champion of Civil Rights.

Alright.

When you have a transformational figure who happened to come out of another sport, then you can bring your case to me.

I don't need to make a case. The numbers tell it all. Look at the economic/cultural/social impact of soccer. The World Cup? The Champions League (richest sports organization in world history)?

Soccer is the number one sport in nearly every country outside of North America.

FIFA has more member nations than the UN!

You can't be serious...

We are talking about two different things at the same time.