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What they won't say on the website is the fact that Alice Bailey laid the groundwork for the plans of the New World Order. She also made plans for the destruction of Christianity.

THE STRATEGY:- The 10-Point Charter

PURPOSE: - To change Christian tradition or to redeem the nations of Christian tradition.

1. TAKE GOD AND PRAYER OUT OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM

Change curriculum to ensure that children are freed from the bondage of Christian culture. Why? Because children go to school to be equipped to face life, they are willing to trust and they are willing to value what is being given to them.

If you take God out of education, they will unconsciously form a resolve that God is not necessary to face life. They will focus on those things the school counts them worthy to be passed on and they will look at God as an additional, if one can afford the additional.

N.B. Today they introduce Transcendental Meditation ™ in schools which takes children to altered states of consciousness to meet with demons (spirit guides) = New Age.

2. REDUCE PARENTAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILDREN

Break the communication between parent and child (Why?). So that parents do not pass on their Christian traditions to their children, liberate children from the bondage of their parent traditions (how?)

a) Promote excessive child rights; (1997-1998 South Africa introduced Child rights legislation – UNICEF Charter; Today a child is able to say to parent ‘I do not want to hear that, I don’t want to do what you are telling me. Teachers cannot talk to children, children step up and say I have my rights, you cannot talk to me like that).

b) Abolish corporal punishment; (this has been made law). On the other hand the Bible says “Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod and deliver his soul from hell.” (Proverbs 23: 13-14)

N.B. Jesus said in the last days – wickedness will increase, there will be rebellion and children will not obey their parents. It is not a trend, it is organized.

c) Teachers are the agents of implementation – from workshops, teachers tell children, “Your parent has no right to force you to pray or read the Bible, you are yourself, have a right of your own, you need to discover yourself, self-expression, self-realization, self-fulfilment are all buzz words.”

In the West when the child is 7 years, the teachers begin to say to the child “you have a right to choose whether you want to follow the faith of your parents or not, parents are not allowed to enforce their faith upon you.” Question is, what type of decision can a 7 year old make?

3. DESTROY THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE

OR THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE (Why?).

It is oppressive and that the family is the core of the nation. If you break the family, you break the nation. Liberate the people from the confines of this structure (How?)

a) Promote sexual promiscuity – free young people to the concept of premarital sex, let them have free sex, lift it so high that the joy of enjoying it (sex) is the highest joy in life, fantasize it, that everybody will feel proud to be seen to be sexually active, even those outside of marriage. This is contrary to the word of God which says “… But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints… for this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.” (Ephesians 5: 3-5)

b) Use advertising industry, media – T.V., magazines, film industry to promote sexual enjoyment as the highest pleasure in humanity.

Have they succeeded? Have they done it? If you want to see whether they have succeeded or not, go to the advertising industry, it does everything to catch your attention and today almost no advert comes out without a sexual connotation. Even when they advertise ice cream, they must show you a thigh of a woman and a bikini, they must do something to set off a trail of thoughts. They will show you more thighs than ice cream. Why? Because, that is what must be in the minds of the people.

N.B. Advertising industry pops out so much money towards their advertisements to the T.V. and radio.

4. IF SEX IS FREE, THEN MAKE ABORTION LEGAL AND MAKE IT EASY

Build clinics for abortion – Health clinics in schools. If people are going to enjoy the joy of sexual relationships, they need to be free of unnecessary fears, in other words they should not be hampered with unwanted pregnancies.

‘Abortion as told by Christians is oppressive and denies our rights, we have a right to choose whether we want to have a child or not. If a woman does not want the pregnancy, she should have the freedom to get rid of that pregnancy painless and as easy as possible’. Today it is not only accessible, it is forced. Today abortion is a strategy to curb population control together with the use of condoms and ‘pill’.

5. MAKE DIVORCE EASY AND LEGAL, FREE PEOPLE FROM THE CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE FOR LIFE.

Alice wrote over 65 years ago that love has got a mysterious link called the love bond. It is like an ovum that comes out of the ovary, as it travels through your system, it clicks a love favor in you and there’s one other person in the world who can respond to that love bond, when you see that person, everything within you clicks, that is your man/woman, if you miss him, you’ll never be happy until that love bond cycles past, for many years, so for you to be happy get that person at whatever cost, if it means getting him/her out of that marriage, get him/her that is your man/woman. It’s a mistake for him/her to be elsewhere. And if you go together for some time and find that love has died, don’t be held in bondage by the Christian values it will never come back, what you need is an easily arranged divorce and allow another love bond to come forth, just like an ovum comes up, and when it comes forth you’ll enjoy life again. On the contrary God’s word says in Malachi 2: 16; “For the Lord God of Israel says that He hates divorce…”

N.B. People enter into marriage having signed contracts of how they will share their things after divorce. People enter with one foot and another behind. In the past, divorce was unthinkable. It is one thing for a marriage to fail but it is another thing for people to enter marriage with an intention to enjoy as long as it was enjoyable and to walk out of it.

6. MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY AN ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE

Alice Bailey preached (over 65 years ago) that sexual enjoyment is the highest pleasure in humanity, no one must be denied and no one must be restricted how to enjoy themselves. People should be allowed in whichever way they chose they want, whether it is homosexuality or in incest or bestiality, as long as the two agree.

In the world today so many laws have been made that promote homosexuality and give so much freedom to gay rights, that a time will come when it is illegal for a preacher to mention homosexuality as an abomination in the eyes of God, or to read scriptures publicly that talk about homosexuality. At the International scene, Western nations now sanction African countries that have resisted homosexuality, with threats of withdrawing foreign aid and investments. Today many churches marry gays/lesbians and ordain gay priests.

According to the Bible, this is an abomination before the eyes of God.

“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22)

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

7. DEBASE ART, MAKE IT RUN MAD

How? Promote new forms of art which will corrupt and defile the imagination of people because art is the language of the spirit, that which is inside, you can bring out in painting, music, drama etc. Look at the quality of the music that is coming out, the films out of Hollywood.

8. USE MEDIA TO PROMOTE AND CHANGE MINDSET

The greatest channel you need to use to change human attitude is media. Use the press, the radio, T.V, cinema. You can tell today how successful they have been in implementing the plan over 65 years via media as well as advertising agencies, billboards, magazines. Who controls media? (New Age). So much money is pumped into media and advertising spreading of pornographic material and other sources. Sex outside of marriage is thrown on your face 80-90 times than sex in marriage. Promiscuity is being promoted as natural, you watch gay sex on T.V. in homes where children’s minds are being neutralized to sensitivity to these things. You wonder why newspapers, T.V, etc do not record anything about Christian activities.

9. CREATE AN INTERFAITH MOVEMENT

Promote other faiths to be at par with Christianity, and break this thing about Christianity as being the only way to heaven, by that Christianity will be pulled down and other faiths promoted. She said promote the importance of man in determining his own future and destiny – HUMANISM. She said tell man he has the right to choose what he wants to be and he can make it happen, he has the right to determine his cause – this takes God off His throne. Interfaith movements are rising everywhere in the world today.

10. GET GOVERNMENTS TO MAKE ALL THESE LAW AND GET THE CHURCH TO ENDORSE THESE CHANGES.

The church must change its doctrine and accommodate the people by accepting these things and put them into its structures and systems.

Have they succeeded?

Today you wonder why our governments are legislating laws contrary to the Bible and why the church is compromising the Word of God. It is a process of implementing The Plan - A 50 year strategy of the New Age Movement to fulfil its ultimate goal to establish a One World Government, a One World Economic system and a One World Religion. Today the strategy almost in its entirety has been adopted by the United Nations and today a lot of it is already law in many nations. This deception has crept up unobserved on so many people. It can best be demonstrated through the well-known analogy of the frog in the pot of water. If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water, it is smart enough to know that it is in terrible danger and will immediately jump out to safety. But if you turn up the heat very slowly, a little at a time, it doesn’t notice the changes that are taking place and will slowly cook to death. Many people today are slowly cooking to death and don’t seem to realize how far they have come from where they once were.

Today the Western World is not struggling to resist these because the New Age Movement focused primarily on the West because that was the Christian world in the 19th century. The New Age Movement has a school called the Akanni School, which is the school of all the leaders of the Western world. They subscribe to it. It is recorded that they say they have succeeded the task in the West but suddenly they realize Christianity has migrated to the rest of the world, so they have now to use every resource in the West to deal with the rest of the world. In Africa, South Africa is the number one state, it is changing at such a rapid speed. They are saying give to African States a financial package with conditions to:

Legalize abortion
Take God and prayer out of school

Governments are so attracted to this package, they can’t say no to it, they need the money, and they ask the church to find an answer. These are done secretly. Christianity is 5%, the rest is Hinduism, Buddhism, and Spiritism. New Age is being taught to teachers, they are being taught to teach this in schools.

It is interesting to note that Blavatsky, Besant and Alice Bailey (1880 -1949) were well known Masonic leaders of the day. Albert Pike referred to Freemasonry as the ‘custodian’ or special guardian of these occult secrets and revealed the hidden agenda of his institution, the forming of a Luciferic One World Government.

Watch and pray.

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What they won't say on the website is the fact that Alice Bailey laid the groundwork for the plans of the New World Order. She also made plans for the destruction of Christianity.

THE STRATEGY:- The 10-Point Charter

PURPOSE: - To change Christian tradition or to redeem the nations of Christian tradition.

1. TAKE GOD AND PRAYER OUT OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM

Change curriculum to ensure that children are freed from the bondage of Christian culture. Why? Because children go to school to be equipped to face life, they are willing to trust and they are willing to value what is being given to them.

If you take God out of education, they will unconsciously form a resolve that God is not necessary to face life. They will focus on those things the school counts them worthy to be passed on and they will look at God as an additional, if one can afford the additional.

N.B. Today they introduce Transcendental Meditation ™ in schools which takes children to altered states of consciousness to meet with demons (spirit guides) = New Age.

2. REDUCE PARENTAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILDREN

Break the communication between parent and child (Why?). So that parents do not pass on their Christian traditions to their children, liberate children from the bondage of their parent traditions (how?)

a) Promote excessive child rights; (1997-1998 South Africa introduced Child rights legislation – UNICEF Charter; Today a child is able to say to parent ‘I do not want to hear that, I don’t want to do what you are telling me. Teachers cannot talk to children, children step up and say I have my rights, you cannot talk to me like that).

b) Abolish corporal punishment; (this has been made law). On the other hand the Bible says “Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod and deliver his soul from hell.” (Proverbs 23: 13-14)

N.B. Jesus said in the last days – wickedness will increase, there will be rebellion and children will not obey their parents. It is not a trend, it is organized.

c) Teachers are the agents of implementation – from workshops, teachers tell children, “Your parent has no right to force you to pray or read the Bible, you are yourself, have a right of your own, you need to discover yourself, self-expression, self-realization, self-fulfilment are all buzz words.”

In the West when the child is 7 years, the teachers begin to say to the child “you have a right to choose whether you want to follow the faith of your parents or not, parents are not allowed to enforce their faith upon you.” Question is, what type of decision can a 7 year old make?

3. DESTROY THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE

OR THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE (Why?).

It is oppressive and that the family is the core of the nation. If you break the family, you break the nation. Liberate the people from the confines of this structure (How?)

a) Promote sexual promiscuity – free young people to the concept of premarital sex, let them have free sex, lift it so high that the joy of enjoying it (sex) is the highest joy in life, fantasize it, that everybody will feel proud to be seen to be sexually active, even those outside of marriage. This is contrary to the word of God which says “… But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints… for this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.” (Ephesians 5: 3-5)

b) Use advertising industry, media – T.V., magazines, film industry to promote sexual enjoyment as the highest pleasure in humanity.

Have they succeeded? Have they done it? If you want to see whether they have succeeded or not, go to the advertising industry, it does everything to catch your attention and today almost no advert comes out without a sexual connotation. Even when they advertise ice cream, they must show you a thigh of a woman and a bikini, they must do something to set off a trail of thoughts. They will show you more thighs than ice cream. Why? Because, that is what must be in the minds of the people.

N.B. Advertising industry pops out so much money towards their advertisements to the T.V. and radio.

4. IF SEX IS FREE, THEN MAKE ABORTION LEGAL AND MAKE IT EASY

Build clinics for abortion – Health clinics in schools. If people are going to enjoy the joy of sexual relationships, they need to be free of unnecessary fears, in other words they should not be hampered with unwanted pregnancies.

‘Abortion as told by Christians is oppressive and denies our rights, we have a right to choose whether we want to have a child or not. If a woman does not want the pregnancy, she should have the freedom to get rid of that pregnancy painless and as easy as possible’. Today it is not only accessible, it is forced. Today abortion is a strategy to curb population control together with the use of condoms and ‘pill’.

5. MAKE DIVORCE EASY AND LEGAL, FREE PEOPLE FROM THE CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE FOR LIFE.

Alice wrote over 65 years ago that love has got a mysterious link called the love bond. It is like an ovum that comes out of the ovary, as it travels through your system, it clicks a love favor in you and there’s one other person in the world who can respond to that love bond, when you see that person, everything within you clicks, that is your man/woman, if you miss him, you’ll never be happy until that love bond cycles past, for many years, so for you to be happy get that person at whatever cost, if it means getting him/her out of that marriage, get him/her that is your man/woman. It’s a mistake for him/her to be elsewhere. And if you go together for some time and find that love has died, don’t be held in bondage by the Christian values it will never come back, what you need is an easily arranged divorce and allow another love bond to come forth, just like an ovum comes up, and when it comes forth you’ll enjoy life again. On the contrary God’s word says in Malachi 2: 16; “For the Lord God of Israel says that He hates divorce…”

N.B. People enter into marriage having signed contracts of how they will share their things after divorce. People enter with one foot and another behind. In the past, divorce was unthinkable. It is one thing for a marriage to fail but it is another thing for people to enter marriage with an intention to enjoy as long as it was enjoyable and to walk out of it.

6. MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY AN ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE

Alice Bailey preached (over 65 years ago) that sexual enjoyment is the highest pleasure in humanity, no one must be denied and no one must be restricted how to enjoy themselves. People should be allowed in whichever way they chose they want, whether it is homosexuality or in incest or bestiality, as long as the two agree.

In the world today so many laws have been made that promote homosexuality and give so much freedom to gay rights, that a time will come when it is illegal for a preacher to mention homosexuality as an abomination in the eyes of God, or to read scriptures publicly that talk about homosexuality. At the International scene, Western nations now sanction African countries that have resisted homosexuality, with threats of withdrawing foreign aid and investments. Today many churches marry gays/lesbians and ordain gay priests.

According to the Bible, this is an abomination before the eyes of God.

“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22)

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

7. DEBASE ART, MAKE IT RUN MAD

How? Promote new forms of art which will corrupt and defile the imagination of people because art is the language of the spirit, that which is inside, you can bring out in painting, music, drama etc. Look at the quality of the music that is coming out, the films out of Hollywood.

8. USE MEDIA TO PROMOTE AND CHANGE MINDSET

The greatest channel you need to use to change human attitude is media. Use the press, the radio, T.V, cinema. You can tell today how successful they have been in implementing the plan over 65 years via media as well as advertising agencies, billboards, magazines. Who controls media? (New Age). So much money is pumped into media and advertising spreading of pornographic material and other sources. Sex outside of marriage is thrown on your face 80-90 times than sex in marriage. Promiscuity is being promoted as natural, you watch gay sex on T.V. in homes where children’s minds are being neutralized to sensitivity to these things. You wonder why newspapers, T.V, etc do not record anything about Christian activities.

9. CREATE AN INTERFAITH MOVEMENT

Promote other faiths to be at par with Christianity, and break this thing about Christianity as being the only way to heaven, by that Christianity will be pulled down and other faiths promoted. She said promote the importance of man in determining his own future and destiny – HUMANISM. She said tell man he has the right to choose what he wants to be and he can make it happen, he has the right to determine his cause – this takes God off His throne. Interfaith movements are rising everywhere in the world today.

10. GET GOVERNMENTS TO MAKE ALL THESE LAW AND GET THE CHURCH TO ENDORSE THESE CHANGES.

The church must change its doctrine and accommodate the people by accepting these things and put them into its structures and systems.

Have they succeeded?

Today you wonder why our governments are legislating laws contrary to the Bible and why the church is compromising the Word of God. It is a process of implementing The Plan - A 50 year strategy of the New Age Movement to fulfil its ultimate goal to establish a One World Government, a One World Economic system and a One World Religion. Today the strategy almost in its entirety has been adopted by the United Nations and today a lot of it is already law in many nations. This deception has crept up unobserved on so many people. It can best be demonstrated through the well-known analogy of the frog in the pot of water. If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water, it is smart enough to know that it is in terrible danger and will immediately jump out to safety. But if you turn up the heat very slowly, a little at a time, it doesn’t notice the changes that are taking place and will slowly cook to death. Many people today are slowly cooking to death and don’t seem to realize how far they have come from where they once were.

Today the Western World is not struggling to resist these because the New Age Movement focused primarily on the West because that was the Christian world in the 19th century. The New Age Movement has a school called the Akanni School, which is the school of all the leaders of the Western world. They subscribe to it. It is recorded that they say they have succeeded the task in the West but suddenly they realize Christianity has migrated to the rest of the world, so they have now to use every resource in the West to deal with the rest of the world. In Africa, South Africa is the number one state, it is changing at such a rapid speed. They are saying give to African States a financial package with conditions to:

Legalize abortion
Take God and prayer out of school

Governments are so attracted to this package, they can’t say no to it, they need the money, and they ask the church to find an answer. These are done secretly. Christianity is 5%, the rest is Hinduism, Buddhism, and Spiritism. New Age is being taught to teachers, they are being taught to teach this in schools.

It is interesting to note that Blavatsky, Besant and Alice Bailey (1880 -1949) were well known Masonic leaders of the day. Albert Pike referred to Freemasonry as the ‘custodian’ or special guardian of these occult secrets and revealed the hidden agenda of his institution, the forming of a Luciferic One World Government.

Watch and pray.

]]> <![CDATA[Sufism, the true solution to Islamic terrorism]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63400.html Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:02:51 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63400.html

Pardon the stupid title of the video. I know some community members on these forums hate Islam/Muslims. I just wanted to make it clear that the Islamic polity is not as unified as it might appear, especially ideologically. So while one group might act with the intellectual capacity of apes, this is not universal. This video imo demonstrates that division in a modern context. The scholar speaking is literally the leading scholar of the conference he is speaking at, and was attacked and demonized by his viewers? For what? For being honest.

Wall of text:

As a Muslim, you can understand that I do not savor the idea of a future where Muslims are being deported en-masse from America as part of a religious exodus. This is my attempt to explain to you why I believe that is not necessary.

The Sunni Muslim community is basically divided into 3 portions:

1) Salafi's/Wahhabi's

A newer movement that was created by the founders of Saudi Arabia and is basically the root of all all the terrorism. They are usually an intellectually deficient bunch.

2) Normative's

These muslim's don't really have much knowledge of the religion they believe in beyond some basic facts. Here you'll find muslim feminists and other kind of poetic contradictions of human beings.

3) Sufi's

This is the group I personally belong to, and the scholar above belongs to. Countries like malaysia, indonesia, singapore were built by Sufi's. This group is spiritually-focused and throughout history sufi's have actually had a pretty healthy relationship with Jewish Kabbalists, Christian spirituals etc. Sufism was basically the state religion of the non-shia medieval Islamic empires/caliphates i.e the Ottomans, Abbasids, Seljuq's. Saladin, famous for his superior treatment of the Christian's of Jerusalem and honored in Christian literature falls into this category.

At a time when the behavior of group #1 and many other muslims' is causing people to worry about the consequences of living alongside Muslim's. I want people to understand that the real solution of the problem of terrorism and intrusive Muslims is not some sort of eradication. I believe that the solution is two steps:

1) To block off all Saudi/Salafi funding and investment into Western religious institutions. They tend to have a lot of oil money and because of that are able to spread their self-legitimizing ideology which thrives on demonizing everyone from non-muslims to other muslims who do not accept their authority. They do this by in part offering communities money to build mosques etc. but ofc not without some conditions.

2) To support Sufism and traditional Islamic scholarship, the approach of Vladmir Putin. This interpretation of Islam poses literally no threat of violence. Sufi's as a political group tend to respect other peoples choices and way's of life and do not try to intrude or impose on anyone else. * I will provide a substantiating example for this after the next paragraph

Trust me you won't find any Sufi's bombing anyone, killing anyone, it's literally pure insanity to us. Sufi's did fight in the crusades, and the Syrian and Algerian wars against the French colonialists for example, but they do not kill non-hostile civilians. The Salafi movement on the other hand, in it's most original form was literally an excuse for the Saudi's to slaughter other muslims and invade their present day territory. Non-muslims of course, they hate even more.

An example supporting point #2 is the story of Emir Abdelkader Al-Jazairi

In July 1860, conflict between the Druze and Maronites of Mount Lebanon spread to Damascus, and local Druze attacked the Christian quarter, killing over 3,000 people. Abdelkader had previously warned the French consul as well as the Council of Damascus that violence was imminent; when it finally broke out, he sheltered large numbers of Christians, including the heads of several foreign consulates as well as religious groups such as the Sisters of Mercy, in the safety of his house.[9] His eldest sons were sent into the streets to offer any Christians under threat shelter under his protection, and Abdelkader himself was said by many survivors to have played an instrumental part in saving them.

[W]e were in consternation, all of us quite convinced that our last hour had arrived [...]. In that expectation of death, in those indescribable moments of anguish, heaven, however, sent us a savior! Abd el-Kader appeared, surrounded by his Algerians, around forty of them. He was on horseback and without arms: his handsome figure calm and imposing made a strange contrast with the noise and disorder that reigned everywhere.

— Le Siècle newspaper, 2 August 1869[12]

Reports coming out of Syria as the rioting subsided stressed the prominent role of Abdelkader, and considerable international recognition followed. The French government increased his pension to 150,000 francs and bestowed on him the Grand Cross of the Légion d'honneur;[10] he also received the Grand Cross of the Redeemer from Greece, the Order of the Medjidie, First Class from Turkey, and the Order of Pius IX from the Vatican.[9] Abraham Lincoln sent him a pair of inlaid pistols (now on display in the Algiers museum) and Great Britain a gold-inlaid shotgun. In France, the episode represented the culmination of a remarkable turnaround, from being considered as an enemy of France during the first half of the 19th century, to becoming a "friend of France" after having intervened in favor of persecuted Christians.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19]

In 1865 he visited Paris on the invitation of Napoléon III and was greeted with both official and popular respect. In 1871, during an insurrection in Algeria, he disowned one of his sons who was arousing the tribes around Constantine.[1]

He wrote Rappel à l′intelligent, avis à l′indifférent (Call to the Intelligent, Warning to the Indifferent).[1] Abdelkader died in Damascus on 26 May 1883 and was buried near the great Sufi Ibn Arabi in Damascus.

If you read all the way to this point, thank you for the time of day. Maybe this has changed your perspective, maybe not. I just hope we can fulfill the American vision and live in a land of peaceful co-existence, where we all increase the prosperity of one another and do not threaten each other, attack each other.

Take a gander at this blurb:

The legendary bluenose Cotton Mather had his faults, but a lack of curiosity about the world was not one of them. Mather paid scrupulous attention to the Ottoman Empire in his voracious reading, and cited the Koran often in passing. True, much of it was in his pinched voice — as far back as the 17th century, New England sailors were being kidnapped by North African pirates, a source of never ending vexation, and Mather denounced the pirates as “Mahometan Turks, and Moors and Devils.” But he admired Arab and Ottoman learning, and when Turks in Constantinople and Smyrna succeeded in inoculating patients against smallpox, he led a public campaign to do the same in Boston (a campaign for which he was much vilified by those who called inoculation the “work of the Devil,” merely because of its Islamic origin). It was one of his finer moments.

This theory was eloquently expressed around the time the Constitution was written. One of its models was the 1780 Massachusetts Constitution, which John Adams had helped to create, and which, in the words of one of its drafters, Theophilus Parsons, was designed to ensure “the most ample of liberty of conscience” for “Deists, Mahometans, Jews and Christians.”

As the Founders deliberated over what types of people would ultimately populate the strange new country they were creating, they cited Muslims as an extreme of foreign-ness whom it would be important to protect in the future. Perhaps, they daydreamed, a Muslim or a Catholic might even be president someday? Like everything, they debated it. Some disapproved, but Richard Henry Lee insisted that “true freedom embraces the Mahometan and Gentoo [Hindu] as well as the Christian religion.” George Washington went out of his way to praise Muslims on several occasions, and suggested that he would welcome them at Mount Vernon if they were willing to work. Benjamin Franklin argued that Muslims should be able to preach to Christians if we insisted on the right to preach to them. Near the end of his life, he impersonated a Muslim essayist, to mock American hypocrisy over slavery.

Thomas Jefferson, especially, had a familiarity with Islam that borders on the astonishing. Like Adams, he owned a Koran, a 1764 English edition that he bought while studying law as a young man in Williamsburg, Va. Only two years ago, that Koran became the center of a controversy, when the first Muslim ever elected to Congress, Keith Ellison, a Democrat from Minnesota, asked if he could place his hand on it while taking his oath of office — a request that elicited tremendous screeches from the talk radio extremists. Jefferson even tried to learn Arabic, and wrote his Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom to protect “the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.”

Jefferson and Adams led many of our early negotiations with the Islamic powers as the United States lurched into existence. A favorable treaty was signed with Morocco, simply because the Moroccans considered the Americans ahl-al-kitab, or “people of the book,” similar to Muslims, who likewise eschewed the idolatry of Europe’s ornate state religions.

Thanks for reading. Maybe twenty years from now the visions of Franklin and Jefferson will be achieved. Maybe not. Regardless, I intend to convince as many people as I can to resolve the challenges of today with reason and mutual respect, not with hatred and divisiveness.]]>

Pardon the stupid title of the video. I know some community members on these forums hate Islam/Muslims. I just wanted to make it clear that the Islamic polity is not as unified as it might appear, especially ideologically. So while one group might act with the intellectual capacity of apes, this is not universal. This video imo demonstrates that division in a modern context. The scholar speaking is literally the leading scholar of the conference he is speaking at, and was attacked and demonized by his viewers? For what? For being honest.

Wall of text:

As a Muslim, you can understand that I do not savor the idea of a future where Muslims are being deported en-masse from America as part of a religious exodus. This is my attempt to explain to you why I believe that is not necessary.

The Sunni Muslim community is basically divided into 3 portions:

1) Salafi's/Wahhabi's

A newer movement that was created by the founders of Saudi Arabia and is basically the root of all all the terrorism. They are usually an intellectually deficient bunch.

2) Normative's

These muslim's don't really have much knowledge of the religion they believe in beyond some basic facts. Here you'll find muslim feminists and other kind of poetic contradictions of human beings.

3) Sufi's

This is the group I personally belong to, and the scholar above belongs to. Countries like malaysia, indonesia, singapore were built by Sufi's. This group is spiritually-focused and throughout history sufi's have actually had a pretty healthy relationship with Jewish Kabbalists, Christian spirituals etc. Sufism was basically the state religion of the non-shia medieval Islamic empires/caliphates i.e the Ottomans, Abbasids, Seljuq's. Saladin, famous for his superior treatment of the Christian's of Jerusalem and honored in Christian literature falls into this category.

At a time when the behavior of group #1 and many other muslims' is causing people to worry about the consequences of living alongside Muslim's. I want people to understand that the real solution of the problem of terrorism and intrusive Muslims is not some sort of eradication. I believe that the solution is two steps:

1) To block off all Saudi/Salafi funding and investment into Western religious institutions. They tend to have a lot of oil money and because of that are able to spread their self-legitimizing ideology which thrives on demonizing everyone from non-muslims to other muslims who do not accept their authority. They do this by in part offering communities money to build mosques etc. but ofc not without some conditions.

2) To support Sufism and traditional Islamic scholarship, the approach of Vladmir Putin. This interpretation of Islam poses literally no threat of violence. Sufi's as a political group tend to respect other peoples choices and way's of life and do not try to intrude or impose on anyone else. * I will provide a substantiating example for this after the next paragraph

Trust me you won't find any Sufi's bombing anyone, killing anyone, it's literally pure insanity to us. Sufi's did fight in the crusades, and the Syrian and Algerian wars against the French colonialists for example, but they do not kill non-hostile civilians. The Salafi movement on the other hand, in it's most original form was literally an excuse for the Saudi's to slaughter other muslims and invade their present day territory. Non-muslims of course, they hate even more.

An example supporting point #2 is the story of Emir Abdelkader Al-Jazairi

In July 1860, conflict between the Druze and Maronites of Mount Lebanon spread to Damascus, and local Druze attacked the Christian quarter, killing over 3,000 people. Abdelkader had previously warned the French consul as well as the Council of Damascus that violence was imminent; when it finally broke out, he sheltered large numbers of Christians, including the heads of several foreign consulates as well as religious groups such as the Sisters of Mercy, in the safety of his house.[9] His eldest sons were sent into the streets to offer any Christians under threat shelter under his protection, and Abdelkader himself was said by many survivors to have played an instrumental part in saving them.

[W]e were in consternation, all of us quite convinced that our last hour had arrived [...]. In that expectation of death, in those indescribable moments of anguish, heaven, however, sent us a savior! Abd el-Kader appeared, surrounded by his Algerians, around forty of them. He was on horseback and without arms: his handsome figure calm and imposing made a strange contrast with the noise and disorder that reigned everywhere.

— Le Siècle newspaper, 2 August 1869[12]

Reports coming out of Syria as the rioting subsided stressed the prominent role of Abdelkader, and considerable international recognition followed. The French government increased his pension to 150,000 francs and bestowed on him the Grand Cross of the Légion d'honneur;[10] he also received the Grand Cross of the Redeemer from Greece, the Order of the Medjidie, First Class from Turkey, and the Order of Pius IX from the Vatican.[9] Abraham Lincoln sent him a pair of inlaid pistols (now on display in the Algiers museum) and Great Britain a gold-inlaid shotgun. In France, the episode represented the culmination of a remarkable turnaround, from being considered as an enemy of France during the first half of the 19th century, to becoming a "friend of France" after having intervened in favor of persecuted Christians.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19]

In 1865 he visited Paris on the invitation of Napoléon III and was greeted with both official and popular respect. In 1871, during an insurrection in Algeria, he disowned one of his sons who was arousing the tribes around Constantine.[1]

He wrote Rappel à l′intelligent, avis à l′indifférent (Call to the Intelligent, Warning to the Indifferent).[1] Abdelkader died in Damascus on 26 May 1883 and was buried near the great Sufi Ibn Arabi in Damascus.

If you read all the way to this point, thank you for the time of day. Maybe this has changed your perspective, maybe not. I just hope we can fulfill the American vision and live in a land of peaceful co-existence, where we all increase the prosperity of one another and do not threaten each other, attack each other.

Take a gander at this blurb:

The legendary bluenose Cotton Mather had his faults, but a lack of curiosity about the world was not one of them. Mather paid scrupulous attention to the Ottoman Empire in his voracious reading, and cited the Koran often in passing. True, much of it was in his pinched voice — as far back as the 17th century, New England sailors were being kidnapped by North African pirates, a source of never ending vexation, and Mather denounced the pirates as “Mahometan Turks, and Moors and Devils.” But he admired Arab and Ottoman learning, and when Turks in Constantinople and Smyrna succeeded in inoculating patients against smallpox, he led a public campaign to do the same in Boston (a campaign for which he was much vilified by those who called inoculation the “work of the Devil,” merely because of its Islamic origin). It was one of his finer moments.

This theory was eloquently expressed around the time the Constitution was written. One of its models was the 1780 Massachusetts Constitution, which John Adams had helped to create, and which, in the words of one of its drafters, Theophilus Parsons, was designed to ensure “the most ample of liberty of conscience” for “Deists, Mahometans, Jews and Christians.”

As the Founders deliberated over what types of people would ultimately populate the strange new country they were creating, they cited Muslims as an extreme of foreign-ness whom it would be important to protect in the future. Perhaps, they daydreamed, a Muslim or a Catholic might even be president someday? Like everything, they debated it. Some disapproved, but Richard Henry Lee insisted that “true freedom embraces the Mahometan and Gentoo [Hindu] as well as the Christian religion.” George Washington went out of his way to praise Muslims on several occasions, and suggested that he would welcome them at Mount Vernon if they were willing to work. Benjamin Franklin argued that Muslims should be able to preach to Christians if we insisted on the right to preach to them. Near the end of his life, he impersonated a Muslim essayist, to mock American hypocrisy over slavery.

Thomas Jefferson, especially, had a familiarity with Islam that borders on the astonishing. Like Adams, he owned a Koran, a 1764 English edition that he bought while studying law as a young man in Williamsburg, Va. Only two years ago, that Koran became the center of a controversy, when the first Muslim ever elected to Congress, Keith Ellison, a Democrat from Minnesota, asked if he could place his hand on it while taking his oath of office — a request that elicited tremendous screeches from the talk radio extremists. Jefferson even tried to learn Arabic, and wrote his Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom to protect “the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.”

Jefferson and Adams led many of our early negotiations with the Islamic powers as the United States lurched into existence. A favorable treaty was signed with Morocco, simply because the Moroccans considered the Americans ahl-al-kitab, or “people of the book,” similar to Muslims, who likewise eschewed the idolatry of Europe’s ornate state religions.

Thanks for reading. Maybe twenty years from now the visions of Franklin and Jefferson will be achieved. Maybe not. Regardless, I intend to convince as many people as I can to resolve the challenges of today with reason and mutual respect, not with hatred and divisiveness.]]> <![CDATA[Farming Was Spread By People Originating In Greece]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63390.html Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:43:42 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63390.html Quote:For most of the last 45,000 years Europe was inhabited solely by hunter-gatherers. About 8,500 years ago a new form of subsistence -- farming -- started to spread across the continent from modern-day Turkey, reaching central Europe by 7,500 years ago and Britain by 6,100 years ago. This new subsistence strategy led to profound changes in society, including greater population density, new diseases, and poorer health. Such was the impact of farming on how we live that scientists have debated for more than 100 years how it was spread across Europe. Many believed that farming was spread as an idea to European hunter-gatherers but without a major migration of farmers themselves.

This week, an international research team led by paleogeneticists of Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz (JGU) publishes a study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences showing that early farmers from across Europe have an almost unbroken trail of ancestry leading back to the Aegean. The scientists analyzed the DNA of early farmer skeletons from Greece and Turkey. According to the study, the Neolithic settlers from northern Greece and the Marmara Sea region of western Turkey reached central Europe via a Balkan route and the Iberian Peninsula via a Mediterranean route. These colonists brought sedentary life, agriculture, and domestic animals and plants to Europe. During their expansion they will have met hunter-gatherers who lived in Europe since the Ice Age, but the two groups mixed initially only to a very limited extent. "They exchanged cultural heritage and knowledge, but rarely spouses," commented anthropologist Joachim Burger, who lead the research. "Only after centuries did the number of partnerships increase."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...154907.htm

I'm of mostly Scandinavian descent, but I've always had a fond appreciation for all things Greek. I'm glad that this article validates the idea that Europeans are descended from these populations.]]> Quote:For most of the last 45,000 years Europe was inhabited solely by hunter-gatherers. About 8,500 years ago a new form of subsistence -- farming -- started to spread across the continent from modern-day Turkey, reaching central Europe by 7,500 years ago and Britain by 6,100 years ago. This new subsistence strategy led to profound changes in society, including greater population density, new diseases, and poorer health. Such was the impact of farming on how we live that scientists have debated for more than 100 years how it was spread across Europe. Many believed that farming was spread as an idea to European hunter-gatherers but without a major migration of farmers themselves.

This week, an international research team led by paleogeneticists of Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz (JGU) publishes a study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences showing that early farmers from across Europe have an almost unbroken trail of ancestry leading back to the Aegean. The scientists analyzed the DNA of early farmer skeletons from Greece and Turkey. According to the study, the Neolithic settlers from northern Greece and the Marmara Sea region of western Turkey reached central Europe via a Balkan route and the Iberian Peninsula via a Mediterranean route. These colonists brought sedentary life, agriculture, and domestic animals and plants to Europe. During their expansion they will have met hunter-gatherers who lived in Europe since the Ice Age, but the two groups mixed initially only to a very limited extent. "They exchanged cultural heritage and knowledge, but rarely spouses," commented anthropologist Joachim Burger, who lead the research. "Only after centuries did the number of partnerships increase."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...154907.htm

I'm of mostly Scandinavian descent, but I've always had a fond appreciation for all things Greek. I'm glad that this article validates the idea that Europeans are descended from these populations.]]> <![CDATA[Is it possible that "the beat" in modern music is a form of mind control and demonic?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63383.html Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:28 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63383.html
Think of the modern club scene, something that only came about in the late 20th century to present day, it's a high-tech version of this Voodoo sexual gratification. Darkened, pulsating clubs and raves capture many with their hypnotic sensual atmosphere. Yes in antiquity, there were many orgies with music and food and all kinds of weird rituals in different cultures, but today everything is so synthetic and forced that it is hard to ignore.

I was reading from a plethora of different sites and sources, some I'm sure are unreliable and facetious, but however I noticed the same thing from my studies of music for many years. The beat in Rock n Roll music is based on the rhythmic beating of African voodoo rituals. Unlike Jazz which appeared many decades earlier and has less of a dark underworld connection (although I can't say the same for some free-form jazz), Rock N Roll has some pretty interesting connections to pagan and demigod worship.

Unlike most preachers just shouting "It's the devil's music!" I intended to look beyond the here-say and delve into what really is inside, without exposing myself to all kinds of bad juju. Rumors and admissions of soul-selling aside, the lyrics in most songs were usually absent of demonic powers-that-be or usually written about beta-love type stuff or a myriad of other topics. I could cite sources on lyrics for days but that doesn't mean the music is evil. What I think truly is what engages the hypnotic effect on people is what everybody nowadays likes to call "the beat" or "da beat" depending on which neighborhood you're in. It evolved out of Rock n Roll into other forms including hip hop, gangsta rap, club music, techno music, now house music, and every sub-genre thereof. The only people I know who don't listen to this are the geriatrics who grew up in a different world than all of us.

"Its strength has always been rooted in the sexual energy of its rhythm . . Rock 'n' roll made you want to move and shake and get physically excited."—Janet Podell, Rock Music in America, pp. 46-47

"Its insistent basic backbeat and shuffle rhythms demanded a physical response . . So the harsh, direct syncopation of rock 'n' roll came as a physical manifestation of its content—a challenge to loosen up, to break the old molds of convention and standards of propriety . . The musicians themselves moved and danced as they played, begging the listener to cast off his inhibitions."—William J. Shafer, Rock Music, p. 15.

Think about this. When you're talking to a girl one second, and all of the sudden she hears music the first inclination is to dance and start shaking, forgetting whatever witty or worthless banter you two were engaging in. Even girlfriends, fiances, and wives are no different if they grew up with this. Lots of men do this too so I think its more of a general hypnotic effect than a vagina behavior. However, look at their eyes when this happens. Some girls will close their eyes, others will roll their eyes back into their heads exposing their whites, some people you can even notice a REM-like rapid blinking of their eyes when dancing to the "music." The success behind this format of music is founded on the hypnotic principles of repetition. The constant repetition of the beat causes an instantaneous mental and physical response, while the catchy phrases and repetitive melodies ensure the message is retained and recalled at ease.

I'm going to post the rest of sections from an article on inside rock music, if you want to read the whole thing it's here:
http://insiderockmusic.com/origins.html

"Spurred by the holy drums [in Central Africa], deep in the meditation of the dance, one is literally entered by a god [demon] . . and it can happen to anyone.

"In Abomey, Africa, these deities that speak through humans are called vodun. The word means 'mysteries.' From their vodun (also called voden) comes our Voodoo, and it is to Voodoo that we must look for the roots of our music . . Voodoo is not so much Africa in the new World as it is Africa meeting the New World, absorbing it and being absorbed by it . . Protestantism and Voodoo are always at odds. A Haitian saying goes, 'If you want the loa [a voodoo god] to leave you alone—become a Protestant [believer]' . .

"Elvis Presley was the first product of African music in America which the official culture could not ignore . . When whites started playing rock 'n' roll, the whole aesthetic of Western performance changed . . Spurred by a god within him, the devotee . . throws himself into a series of improvisations [bodily movements] . . The audience is not taken in: it is to the loa [Voodoo god] and not the loa's servant [the performer] that their admiration goes out.

"The Voodoo rite of [demon] possession by the god became the standard of American performance in rock 'n' roll. Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, James Brown, Janis Joplin, Tina Turner, Jim Morrison, Johnny Rotten, Prince;—they let themselves be possessed not by any god they could name but by the supernatural spirit they felt in the music . . Western performers transmitted their possession through their voice and their dance to their audience, even through their records.

"From the first, this music has felt like an attack on the institutions [marriage, the family, the church, etc.]—and that was what it was attacking . . 'If I told you what our music is really about, we'd probably all get arrested,' Bob Dylan told an interviewer in 1965. It is a music that won't stop, and it won't leave us alone. It speaks through the body and invokes the spirit."—Michael Ventura, "Hear that Long Snake moan," Whole Earth Review, Spring 1987, pp. 28-43; and Summer 1987, pp. 82-92.

n the following passage, the author refers to the demons as "gods," because that is what the native musicians and worshipers call them. But they are actually demons which, at the sound of the drum rhythms, come and enter those in attendance."

I'm sure many are aware of this already, but today's music scene is on a whole 'nother level than the 50's and 60's where this emerged. Rock has all but been forgotten by today's youths, with all the useful-idiot cookie-cutter rap and hip hop and pop types garnering worship and fancying themselves as gods among men. But has the beat changed? hardly. It's just assumed another form.

The music today that most closely resembles the Voodoo ritual dance music is rap. As in Voodoo, it is the bare essentials of the beat that form the basis of rap music. On top of the beat is heard the monotonous chanting of the rappers.
In this musical environment, listeners can easily slip into a hypnotic drug-and-music-induced stupor, losing control of the master brain. This opens them up to the power of suggestion and lessens their ability to reason. The music becomes the hypnotic tool, opening the mind to receive the messages that demons want to implant. Digitize and modernize Voodoo music, and you end up with rap.

There is nothing new about rap or the endless beats heard pumping through clubs and raves around the world. Inside these temples of modern paganism, today's youth revel in their rebellious freedom. Half-naked bodies, writhing in sweat and saturated in drugs and alcohol, worship the gods of conceit and sexual expression.
What these young people don't understand is that they are repeating a ritual that has formed the basis of Satan worship and pagan ceremony for thousands of years. Whether we like it or not, the ingredients that make a Voodoo ritual ceremony such a satanic success are the very same ones that keep dance parties thriving today. No true child of God will be found in their association.

"But why do the natives want to call the demons to come and possess them? Because the people have learned that when the demons enter their bodies,—the people feel excited and exhilarate,, and want to wave their arms, dance around wildly, and fall on the floor in apparent ecstasy.

While they are gathered together, the demons give them—what seems to be—a glorious feeling of excitement and exaltation. Amid the excitement of these native rituals, the natives are urged to want to have sexual intercourse with one another.

But then afterward, those demons—still in their bodies—give them feelings of depression and anger, and gradually lead them to acts of violence."

One of the ways to break free of the death cult that is modern day society is to turn the music off. All of it. I can think of few genres where there is no connection to the darkness. But the Christian peace-love rock band types? Forget them, they don't preach the true word, just another subterfuge for feel-good politics.

Now for those horny bastards out there who want to seduce women, using music as a means of engaging them in a form of hypnosis to allow you to have your way with them is too easy. But not for the Christian. Perhaps one of the ways a society can be rid of corruption within is to rid itself of decades of culture and music, an impossible feat.

The "beat" is everywhere now. What effect does it have on you?]]>
Think of the modern club scene, something that only came about in the late 20th century to present day, it's a high-tech version of this Voodoo sexual gratification. Darkened, pulsating clubs and raves capture many with their hypnotic sensual atmosphere. Yes in antiquity, there were many orgies with music and food and all kinds of weird rituals in different cultures, but today everything is so synthetic and forced that it is hard to ignore.

I was reading from a plethora of different sites and sources, some I'm sure are unreliable and facetious, but however I noticed the same thing from my studies of music for many years. The beat in Rock n Roll music is based on the rhythmic beating of African voodoo rituals. Unlike Jazz which appeared many decades earlier and has less of a dark underworld connection (although I can't say the same for some free-form jazz), Rock N Roll has some pretty interesting connections to pagan and demigod worship.

Unlike most preachers just shouting "It's the devil's music!" I intended to look beyond the here-say and delve into what really is inside, without exposing myself to all kinds of bad juju. Rumors and admissions of soul-selling aside, the lyrics in most songs were usually absent of demonic powers-that-be or usually written about beta-love type stuff or a myriad of other topics. I could cite sources on lyrics for days but that doesn't mean the music is evil. What I think truly is what engages the hypnotic effect on people is what everybody nowadays likes to call "the beat" or "da beat" depending on which neighborhood you're in. It evolved out of Rock n Roll into other forms including hip hop, gangsta rap, club music, techno music, now house music, and every sub-genre thereof. The only people I know who don't listen to this are the geriatrics who grew up in a different world than all of us.

"Its strength has always been rooted in the sexual energy of its rhythm . . Rock 'n' roll made you want to move and shake and get physically excited."—Janet Podell, Rock Music in America, pp. 46-47

"Its insistent basic backbeat and shuffle rhythms demanded a physical response . . So the harsh, direct syncopation of rock 'n' roll came as a physical manifestation of its content—a challenge to loosen up, to break the old molds of convention and standards of propriety . . The musicians themselves moved and danced as they played, begging the listener to cast off his inhibitions."—William J. Shafer, Rock Music, p. 15.

Think about this. When you're talking to a girl one second, and all of the sudden she hears music the first inclination is to dance and start shaking, forgetting whatever witty or worthless banter you two were engaging in. Even girlfriends, fiances, and wives are no different if they grew up with this. Lots of men do this too so I think its more of a general hypnotic effect than a vagina behavior. However, look at their eyes when this happens. Some girls will close their eyes, others will roll their eyes back into their heads exposing their whites, some people you can even notice a REM-like rapid blinking of their eyes when dancing to the "music." The success behind this format of music is founded on the hypnotic principles of repetition. The constant repetition of the beat causes an instantaneous mental and physical response, while the catchy phrases and repetitive melodies ensure the message is retained and recalled at ease.

I'm going to post the rest of sections from an article on inside rock music, if you want to read the whole thing it's here:
http://insiderockmusic.com/origins.html

"Spurred by the holy drums [in Central Africa], deep in the meditation of the dance, one is literally entered by a god [demon] . . and it can happen to anyone.

"In Abomey, Africa, these deities that speak through humans are called vodun. The word means 'mysteries.' From their vodun (also called voden) comes our Voodoo, and it is to Voodoo that we must look for the roots of our music . . Voodoo is not so much Africa in the new World as it is Africa meeting the New World, absorbing it and being absorbed by it . . Protestantism and Voodoo are always at odds. A Haitian saying goes, 'If you want the loa [a voodoo god] to leave you alone—become a Protestant [believer]' . .

"Elvis Presley was the first product of African music in America which the official culture could not ignore . . When whites started playing rock 'n' roll, the whole aesthetic of Western performance changed . . Spurred by a god within him, the devotee . . throws himself into a series of improvisations [bodily movements] . . The audience is not taken in: it is to the loa [Voodoo god] and not the loa's servant [the performer] that their admiration goes out.

"The Voodoo rite of [demon] possession by the god became the standard of American performance in rock 'n' roll. Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, James Brown, Janis Joplin, Tina Turner, Jim Morrison, Johnny Rotten, Prince;—they let themselves be possessed not by any god they could name but by the supernatural spirit they felt in the music . . Western performers transmitted their possession through their voice and their dance to their audience, even through their records.

"From the first, this music has felt like an attack on the institutions [marriage, the family, the church, etc.]—and that was what it was attacking . . 'If I told you what our music is really about, we'd probably all get arrested,' Bob Dylan told an interviewer in 1965. It is a music that won't stop, and it won't leave us alone. It speaks through the body and invokes the spirit."—Michael Ventura, "Hear that Long Snake moan," Whole Earth Review, Spring 1987, pp. 28-43; and Summer 1987, pp. 82-92.

n the following passage, the author refers to the demons as "gods," because that is what the native musicians and worshipers call them. But they are actually demons which, at the sound of the drum rhythms, come and enter those in attendance."

I'm sure many are aware of this already, but today's music scene is on a whole 'nother level than the 50's and 60's where this emerged. Rock has all but been forgotten by today's youths, with all the useful-idiot cookie-cutter rap and hip hop and pop types garnering worship and fancying themselves as gods among men. But has the beat changed? hardly. It's just assumed another form.

The music today that most closely resembles the Voodoo ritual dance music is rap. As in Voodoo, it is the bare essentials of the beat that form the basis of rap music. On top of the beat is heard the monotonous chanting of the rappers.
In this musical environment, listeners can easily slip into a hypnotic drug-and-music-induced stupor, losing control of the master brain. This opens them up to the power of suggestion and lessens their ability to reason. The music becomes the hypnotic tool, opening the mind to receive the messages that demons want to implant. Digitize and modernize Voodoo music, and you end up with rap.

There is nothing new about rap or the endless beats heard pumping through clubs and raves around the world. Inside these temples of modern paganism, today's youth revel in their rebellious freedom. Half-naked bodies, writhing in sweat and saturated in drugs and alcohol, worship the gods of conceit and sexual expression.
What these young people don't understand is that they are repeating a ritual that has formed the basis of Satan worship and pagan ceremony for thousands of years. Whether we like it or not, the ingredients that make a Voodoo ritual ceremony such a satanic success are the very same ones that keep dance parties thriving today. No true child of God will be found in their association.

"But why do the natives want to call the demons to come and possess them? Because the people have learned that when the demons enter their bodies,—the people feel excited and exhilarate,, and want to wave their arms, dance around wildly, and fall on the floor in apparent ecstasy.

While they are gathered together, the demons give them—what seems to be—a glorious feeling of excitement and exaltation. Amid the excitement of these native rituals, the natives are urged to want to have sexual intercourse with one another.

But then afterward, those demons—still in their bodies—give them feelings of depression and anger, and gradually lead them to acts of violence."

One of the ways to break free of the death cult that is modern day society is to turn the music off. All of it. I can think of few genres where there is no connection to the darkness. But the Christian peace-love rock band types? Forget them, they don't preach the true word, just another subterfuge for feel-good politics.

Now for those horny bastards out there who want to seduce women, using music as a means of engaging them in a form of hypnosis to allow you to have your way with them is too easy. But not for the Christian. Perhaps one of the ways a society can be rid of corruption within is to rid itself of decades of culture and music, an impossible feat.

The "beat" is everywhere now. What effect does it have on you?]]> <![CDATA[Excellent commentary on Western Europe decline]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63373.html Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:53:52 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63373.html
Stumbled upon it randomly today and I think the commentator succinctly sums up my views and experiences in Western Europe. The commentator is from Ireland and expresses his distaste with the current cultural marxist policy in most of western europe and how it is contributing to the degradation of the individual identity of various european cultures.

Perhaps some of you will appreciate his observations.

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Stumbled upon it randomly today and I think the commentator succinctly sums up my views and experiences in Western Europe. The commentator is from Ireland and expresses his distaste with the current cultural marxist policy in most of western europe and how it is contributing to the degradation of the individual identity of various european cultures.

Perhaps some of you will appreciate his observations.

]]> <![CDATA[Red Pill deep: Thoughts on War Profiteering?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63328.html Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:02:58 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63328.html

I am curious on thoughts of our Deep Thinking TRULY AWARE folks here.. Roll on..

This was a major reason for me hating the Republican front/ Bush Senior & Bush-Cheney front.. Back then.. and with all the pro Trump anti left rhetoric we have here.. we're back at a place where he just went and sold some to Saudi and now sold some to Qatar (playing both/ all sides) in a War Profiteering game.

But the more I research history the more complex it gets on who stood for what over time.. repub vs dems.. and I realize, with time everything is complex and multi dimensional.. In one prager U vid it was apparently dems who were slave/ racist and now the repubs are branded by dems as such.. But even there were both types of factions in both parties over history.. and most people dont know that..

Eisenhower's Military-Industry Complex Warning, 50 Years Later : NPR

What's funny is I googled Eisenhower to see whether he was repub or dem and I got an interesting mixed response.

And I know values have shifted back and f[/video]orth and what Left/ Right once stood for v/s what Democrats/ Repubs stood for have changed over time..

Also bundled issues complicates an individuals stance on discrete subjects and you are forced to pick a side when you have a unique choice on each subject..

For now, I am curious to hear about our gents here on "War Profiteering"]]>

I am curious on thoughts of our Deep Thinking TRULY AWARE folks here.. Roll on..

This was a major reason for me hating the Republican front/ Bush Senior & Bush-Cheney front.. Back then.. and with all the pro Trump anti left rhetoric we have here.. we're back at a place where he just went and sold some to Saudi and now sold some to Qatar (playing both/ all sides) in a War Profiteering game.

But the more I research history the more complex it gets on who stood for what over time.. repub vs dems.. and I realize, with time everything is complex and multi dimensional.. In one prager U vid it was apparently dems who were slave/ racist and now the repubs are branded by dems as such.. But even there were both types of factions in both parties over history.. and most people dont know that..

Eisenhower's Military-Industry Complex Warning, 50 Years Later : NPR

What's funny is I googled Eisenhower to see whether he was repub or dem and I got an interesting mixed response.

And I know values have shifted back and f[/video]orth and what Left/ Right once stood for v/s what Democrats/ Repubs stood for have changed over time..

Also bundled issues complicates an individuals stance on discrete subjects and you are forced to pick a side when you have a unique choice on each subject..

For now, I am curious to hear about our gents here on "War Profiteering"]]> <![CDATA[Good books about Vegas lifestyle?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63301.html Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:57:19 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63301.html
Basically what I'm trying to figure out is how the Vegas underground works. I want to understand the power dynamics at Casinos. The history. The major players involved. From a game angle I want to understand the social dynamics of the people who end up in Vegas.

Essentially what I want to create is a lifestyle filled with Parties, Pussy and Playing Poker with Powerful People.

The more i know about the terrain the better I'll be able to spot opportunities and take action when I see them.

If you know of any memoirs of players that are worth reading. Or any stories written by red pill dudes who've lived out there for a few years. That would be great help.]]>
Basically what I'm trying to figure out is how the Vegas underground works. I want to understand the power dynamics at Casinos. The history. The major players involved. From a game angle I want to understand the social dynamics of the people who end up in Vegas.

Essentially what I want to create is a lifestyle filled with Parties, Pussy and Playing Poker with Powerful People.

The more i know about the terrain the better I'll be able to spot opportunities and take action when I see them.

If you know of any memoirs of players that are worth reading. Or any stories written by red pill dudes who've lived out there for a few years. That would be great help.]]> <![CDATA[Ghost stories]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63270.html Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:36:56 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63270.html
I'll start.

As many of you know, I'm from the Carolinas. This particular tale come from North Carolina, where it's hard to farm on a large scale. Well, a while back, there was a famine. There was an old hermit, who only went into town on occasion to trade for moonshine, but mostly kept to himself, hunting for his food. Well, the famine hit him too.

He was sitting in front of his fire one night, his three hunting dogs with him, wondering how he was gonna feed them and himself, when his dogs suddenly jumped up, and started barking. He spotted what they saw, a pinkish rat sort of critter with a long tail. He grabbed his hatchet and tossed it at the beast, but only managed to sever the tail before it disappeared between the floorboards of his cabin. He chopped up the tail, feeding it to his dogs, and keeping a bit to make a stew for himself. He was pleased; he and his dogs wouldn't starve for a little while.

That night, he heard a scratching at his door, and a haunting voice moaning, "Taily-bone... I want my Taily-bone..." The hermit grabbed his gun, whistled for his dogs, and chased the beast into the woods. When he lost its trail, he whistled for his dogs, and only two came back. He reckoned the third had killed the critter and was greedily hogging it all down.

He went back to bed, and heard yet again the scratching and the eerie voice, "Taily-bone... I want my taily-bone..." This time, he heard it at the foot of his bed. He grabbed his gun, whistled for his dogs, and chased the beast again, firing his rifle at it as his dogs snapped at its heels. When he lost the trail, he whistled for his dogs, and only one came back. Now he was unsettled, he let the dog in to sleep in his room, and kept his gun next to him.

A third time, he heard the scratching, right next to his head on his nightstand. He saw the horrible beast, heard it wail, "Taily-bone! I want my Taily-bone!" His dog leapt up, and he immediately fired on the critter, which ran off out the door. He tracked it with his dog, and when he lost the trail, he whistled for his dog, who did not return.

He went back to bed, thoroughly afraid, keeping his gun in bed with him as close as a lover. He woke in the gray hours of the morning, the beast on his chest, screaming in his face, "I WANT MY TAILY-BONE!"

Well, eventually the famine passed, folks went up to check on the hermit. All that was left of his cabin was the chimney, and folks claim if you go up there, you can hear an eerie voice moaning, "I got my taily-bone..."]]>
I'll start.

As many of you know, I'm from the Carolinas. This particular tale come from North Carolina, where it's hard to farm on a large scale. Well, a while back, there was a famine. There was an old hermit, who only went into town on occasion to trade for moonshine, but mostly kept to himself, hunting for his food. Well, the famine hit him too.

He was sitting in front of his fire one night, his three hunting dogs with him, wondering how he was gonna feed them and himself, when his dogs suddenly jumped up, and started barking. He spotted what they saw, a pinkish rat sort of critter with a long tail. He grabbed his hatchet and tossed it at the beast, but only managed to sever the tail before it disappeared between the floorboards of his cabin. He chopped up the tail, feeding it to his dogs, and keeping a bit to make a stew for himself. He was pleased; he and his dogs wouldn't starve for a little while.

That night, he heard a scratching at his door, and a haunting voice moaning, "Taily-bone... I want my Taily-bone..." The hermit grabbed his gun, whistled for his dogs, and chased the beast into the woods. When he lost its trail, he whistled for his dogs, and only two came back. He reckoned the third had killed the critter and was greedily hogging it all down.

He went back to bed, and heard yet again the scratching and the eerie voice, "Taily-bone... I want my taily-bone..." This time, he heard it at the foot of his bed. He grabbed his gun, whistled for his dogs, and chased the beast again, firing his rifle at it as his dogs snapped at its heels. When he lost the trail, he whistled for his dogs, and only one came back. Now he was unsettled, he let the dog in to sleep in his room, and kept his gun next to him.

A third time, he heard the scratching, right next to his head on his nightstand. He saw the horrible beast, heard it wail, "Taily-bone! I want my Taily-bone!" His dog leapt up, and he immediately fired on the critter, which ran off out the door. He tracked it with his dog, and when he lost the trail, he whistled for his dog, who did not return.

He went back to bed, thoroughly afraid, keeping his gun in bed with him as close as a lover. He woke in the gray hours of the morning, the beast on his chest, screaming in his face, "I WANT MY TAILY-BONE!"

Well, eventually the famine passed, folks went up to check on the hermit. All that was left of his cabin was the chimney, and folks claim if you go up there, you can hear an eerie voice moaning, "I got my taily-bone..."]]> <![CDATA[Can primitive biological drivers be accepted and taught in a Christian society?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63158.html Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:57:30 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63158.html Black flag on the nature of women.

It's utterly pure and focused like a laser beam in summing up how the base nature of women holds them to varying degrees as slaves to their primitive programming no matter how self destructive it turns out to be in this modern world of ours. Much of our recognition of this behaviour lends a powerful inference that suggests evolution is a determining factor. That these self destructive instincts are the result of cave-woman survival mechanisms that have served fem-folk well until all but recent times.

Here is my favourite progression in the tale, coming first from the male witness and then from the woman trying to make sense of her life-destroying choices.

Said he:

Quote:Her last year in law school he proposed there. She wanted to strangle him and toss him in the Amstel; but she couldn’t, because she loved him, right? And he took such good care of her, how could she possibly refuse him? She jilted him two days before their wedding. She couldn’t bear the thought of trying to smother her contempt for him for even a single more day.

What a bitch! What the fuck was wrong with her? She figured she was either the most vile person in the world or the craziest. She immediately engaged a therapist to determine which. He still hasn’t figured it out. For the last five years the fraudulent buffoon’s been banging on about how she must have a daddy issue.

Said she:

Quote:I’ve spent vast sums and countless hours trying to unravel my tortuous logic in the matter. It’s quite amusing really. I should’ve gone to a vet instead. I dare say he could have cleared the matter up in about five minutes:

I found my mate to be insufficiently dominant...

Quote:Her last year in law school he proposed there. She wanted to strangle him and toss him in the Amstel; but she couldn’t, because she loved him, right? And he took such good care of her, how could she possibly refuse him? She jilted him two days before their wedding. She couldn’t bear the thought of trying to smother her contempt for him for even a single more day.

What a bitch! What the fuck was wrong with her? She figured she was either the most vile person in the world or the craziest. She immediately engaged a therapist to determine which. He still hasn’t figured it out. For the last five years the fraudulent buffoon’s been banging on about how she must have a daddy issue.

Said she:

Quote:I’ve spent vast sums and countless hours trying to unravel my tortuous logic in the matter. It’s quite amusing really. I should’ve gone to a vet instead. I dare say he could have cleared the matter up in about five minutes:

I found my mate to be insufficiently dominant...

On the first matter I thought to myself the problem is that men are not taught the red pill on woman's primal self until it's too late, and sometimes not at all.

On the second matter I thought to myself the problem is that women are not taught the red pill on their own primal self, for the most part ever.

So I wondered, if we somehow wrested the reins of civilisation from the elites it would make sense to educate both young men and young women on their primitive biological drivers in order to help them make sense of their unhelpful instincts that only serve to fuck everything up. Cheating on providers with alphas. White knighting. Etc. It wouldn't stop every woman from fucking around or every man from defending her when she did so, but it would make a lot of people think twice and count for a great deal of early intervention.

The immediate problem I ran into though is that this would instantly run afoul of a great many creationists who would be hostile to the idea of men and women being thralls to "primitive, animalistic, stone age instincts".

I'm not thoroughly versed in the bible and although it shows that women can be wicked and lured easily by temptation, it's not exactly the Chateau Heartiste blog when it comes to specifics.

I've started this thread for two reasons.

One. I want to know what people think about the idea of teaching first-year-secondary-schoolers about primitive biological drivers as they relate to human behaviour, either as a social science or a facet of biology.

Two. I want to know how Christians reconcile these apparently ancient biological drivers with creationist theory and whether their beliefs would impact how they taught their children or other children about it (if at all).

Thanks in advance, RVFbros. I hope we can discuss this in a mutually respectful manner.]]> <![CDATA[What would have happened if Hitler have been captured by the Soviets? (What if)?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63099.html Sun, 04 Jun 2017 17:45:04 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63099.html
What would have happened if Hitler had been captured by the Soviets?

These kind of question can make imagination go wild. As a forecaster, I would like to answer this as a What If Analysis:

Scenario 1 : If Hitler would have been captured by the Rogue soldiers of Zukhov’s force
Hitler brought war deep inside the Soviet Russia( Operation Barbarossa) decimating the Eastern Soviet cities and murdering 5 million of Soviet men in span of just “5 months, 1 week and 6 days”.

German advances during the opening phases of Operation Barbarossa, August 1941

If Hitler would have fallen in the hands of Zukhov’s angry soldiers , who were still fuming with the loss of their closed one just couple of years back, he would definitely had been put to a nasty death. It would have been a death equivalent to something of a sortie in Hell at the hands of Satan.

Scenario 2 :If Hitler would have been captured by the disciplined soldiers of Zukhov’s force
This would have been something that would have pleased Stalin like none other. This one achievement would have entitled Zukhov for an additional “ Hero of the Soviet Union” award ( He is the only one along with Brezhnev to get this award four times). There has been speculations that Stalin desperately wanted to capture Hitler and that’s why he organized a competition between his two marshals, Georgy Zhukov and Ivan Konev, to be the first to enter Berlin during the final months of World War II. This was termed as the Race to Berlin.

Capturing the German Fuhrer would be of huge symbolic and political importance for Stalin, so that:

a) He could have paraded him in front of his Soviet people as a war trophy and strengthened his position as a Demi God domestically

b) On world front, he would have got a bargaining chip at upcoming Postdam conference (Aug, 1945) : Stalin had already secured a Soviet sphere of political influence in Eastern and Central Europe during the Yalta conference (Feb 1945). The capture of Hitler by Soviets would have propelled the stature of Stalin much higher at Postdam conference compared to Churchill or Truman. He would have dictated whatever he wished for as he had an ACE up his sleeve.

Finally, he would have been tried in a special court supervised and administered by Soviets , Stalin pulling the strings. I am not sure if Stalin would have kept Hitler alive to get the sadistic pleasure or would have got him killed as a war criminal: That might be an alternate question that needs to be answered separately .

“What would have Stalin done with Hitler after his capture and trial”?

Raising a flag over the Reichstag, by Yevgeny Khaldei

Scenario 3 :If Hitler would have been captured by the dis-grunted Germans before Zukhov’s forces could reach the FUHRER Bunker
Hitler came to power by giving false hopes to German about the economic growth and making Germany a adobe of tranquility. However, things turned out to be very different and Germans were slaughtered on all fronts and GERMANY was decimated by the Allied forces.

All this hardship on the Germans would have definitely ensured Germans would have killed Hitler if they would have caught him , something that happened to Fascist Mussolini in Italy:

“During the course of 29 April, Hitler learned of the death of his ally, Benito Mussolini, who had been executed by Italian partisans. Mussolini's body and that of his mistress, Clara Petacci, had been strung up by their heels. The bodies were later cut down and thrown in the gutter, where vengeful Italians reviled them. It is probable that these events strengthened Hitler's resolve not to allow himself or his wife to be made "a spectacle of", as he had earlier recorded in his Testament”

What you guys think?]]>
What would have happened if Hitler had been captured by the Soviets?

These kind of question can make imagination go wild. As a forecaster, I would like to answer this as a What If Analysis:

Scenario 1 : If Hitler would have been captured by the Rogue soldiers of Zukhov’s force
Hitler brought war deep inside the Soviet Russia( Operation Barbarossa) decimating the Eastern Soviet cities and murdering 5 million of Soviet men in span of just “5 months, 1 week and 6 days”.

German advances during the opening phases of Operation Barbarossa, August 1941

If Hitler would have fallen in the hands of Zukhov’s angry soldiers , who were still fuming with the loss of their closed one just couple of years back, he would definitely had been put to a nasty death. It would have been a death equivalent to something of a sortie in Hell at the hands of Satan.

Scenario 2 :If Hitler would have been captured by the disciplined soldiers of Zukhov’s force
This would have been something that would have pleased Stalin like none other. This one achievement would have entitled Zukhov for an additional “ Hero of the Soviet Union” award ( He is the only one along with Brezhnev to get this award four times). There has been speculations that Stalin desperately wanted to capture Hitler and that’s why he organized a competition between his two marshals, Georgy Zhukov and Ivan Konev, to be the first to enter Berlin during the final months of World War II. This was termed as the Race to Berlin.

Capturing the German Fuhrer would be of huge symbolic and political importance for Stalin, so that:

a) He could have paraded him in front of his Soviet people as a war trophy and strengthened his position as a Demi God domestically

b) On world front, he would have got a bargaining chip at upcoming Postdam conference (Aug, 1945) : Stalin had already secured a Soviet sphere of political influence in Eastern and Central Europe during the Yalta conference (Feb 1945). The capture of Hitler by Soviets would have propelled the stature of Stalin much higher at Postdam conference compared to Churchill or Truman. He would have dictated whatever he wished for as he had an ACE up his sleeve.

Finally, he would have been tried in a special court supervised and administered by Soviets , Stalin pulling the strings. I am not sure if Stalin would have kept Hitler alive to get the sadistic pleasure or would have got him killed as a war criminal: That might be an alternate question that needs to be answered separately .

“What would have Stalin done with Hitler after his capture and trial”?

Raising a flag over the Reichstag, by Yevgeny Khaldei

Scenario 3 :If Hitler would have been captured by the dis-grunted Germans before Zukhov’s forces could reach the FUHRER Bunker
Hitler came to power by giving false hopes to German about the economic growth and making Germany a adobe of tranquility. However, things turned out to be very different and Germans were slaughtered on all fronts and GERMANY was decimated by the Allied forces.

All this hardship on the Germans would have definitely ensured Germans would have killed Hitler if they would have caught him , something that happened to Fascist Mussolini in Italy:

“During the course of 29 April, Hitler learned of the death of his ally, Benito Mussolini, who had been executed by Italian partisans. Mussolini's body and that of his mistress, Clara Petacci, had been strung up by their heels. The bodies were later cut down and thrown in the gutter, where vengeful Italians reviled them. It is probable that these events strengthened Hitler's resolve not to allow himself or his wife to be made "a spectacle of", as he had earlier recorded in his Testament”

What you guys think?]]> <![CDATA[You have no idea how much our society is cucked.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63088.html Sun, 04 Jun 2017 00:30:56 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63088.html Even Donald Trump invest his life to fix it , it will need at least over 100 years.

I tried to help so many people to take the reed pill or "to give the right way" but same frustation over and over again... actually I feeling good for the bad boys taking all the pussy nowdays.

I don't have in mind my right now..]]> Even Donald Trump invest his life to fix it , it will need at least over 100 years.

I tried to help so many people to take the reed pill or "to give the right way" but same frustation over and over again... actually I feeling good for the bad boys taking all the pussy nowdays.

I don't have in mind my right now..]]> <![CDATA[If You Are Over 50, What Do You Wish You Knew When You Were 35?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63076.html Sat, 03 Jun 2017 10:58:28 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63076.html
Gents age 50 and over, what do you wish you knew when you were 35? What do you wish you could tell yourself when you were 35?

I was hoping to get some senior RVF cats to chime in with their advice to the mid 30s guys, especially to those who are considering getting a quality woman, having kids with her and raising families. I think a lot of guys would love to hear some wisdom on this.

Fire away.]]>
Gents age 50 and over, what do you wish you knew when you were 35? What do you wish you could tell yourself when you were 35?

I was hoping to get some senior RVF cats to chime in with their advice to the mid 30s guys, especially to those who are considering getting a quality woman, having kids with her and raising families. I think a lot of guys would love to hear some wisdom on this.

Fire away.]]> <![CDATA[The Internet Is Complete & Utter Garbage]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63034.html Wed, 31 May 2017 15:11:59 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63034.html Fortunately the tools to run a website or a forum from a torrent, are all there, they just need to be put together ...

After researching failsafe anonymity for users to use on my websites & blogs, it became pretty apparent the internet designed as it is, complete & utter garbage ...
The centralised system of dns servers & url's, is nothing more then a thinly disguised tracking system for intelligence agencies.

The net is designed to be practically impossible to be anonymous on, & have a large blog & a following, precisely because of this bullshit centralised dns system & url shit ...
Its designed to be convenient for the NSA, to shut down popular insurgencies & sites, & zero recourse or alternative's for everyone else.

You really need a torrented peer to peer style backend, where anyone can create a webpage using a torrent. Where anyone can create a webpage or a community without the need for a centralised dns server, the webpage essentially exists as a torrent hosted as anonymous pieces across millions of sites ...

Essentially the location & tracking of the site, is complete & utterly controlled by the creator of the site.

Entire communities created by anyone, completely controlled by the users.

A real net for the masses, needs to exist as a darknet.]]> Fortunately the tools to run a website or a forum from a torrent, are all there, they just need to be put together ...

After researching failsafe anonymity for users to use on my websites & blogs, it became pretty apparent the internet designed as it is, complete & utter garbage ...
The centralised system of dns servers & url's, is nothing more then a thinly disguised tracking system for intelligence agencies.

The net is designed to be practically impossible to be anonymous on, & have a large blog & a following, precisely because of this bullshit centralised dns system & url shit ...
Its designed to be convenient for the NSA, to shut down popular insurgencies & sites, & zero recourse or alternative's for everyone else.

You really need a torrented peer to peer style backend, where anyone can create a webpage using a torrent. Where anyone can create a webpage or a community without the need for a centralised dns server, the webpage essentially exists as a torrent hosted as anonymous pieces across millions of sites ...

Essentially the location & tracking of the site, is complete & utterly controlled by the creator of the site.

Entire communities created by anyone, completely controlled by the users.

A real net for the masses, needs to exist as a darknet.]]> <![CDATA[An Intentional Community: Going Galt]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63006.html Mon, 29 May 2017 22:48:45 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63006.html (A thread started by RexImperator https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58153.html touches a bit on planned communities, but not to the level of detail here).

An intentional community is a planned community based around certain values. Different communities are organized around a wide variety of values, but the central idea is that they are a place for like-minded people to live in proximity and reinforce the values that they all hold.

The forum itself is already a sort of virtual intentional community, and it has already been much more successful than I would have thought at spreading its influence beyond the virtual world into things like politics and the culture wars. The absolute number of men here is not great, but the quality of those men allows their influence to be multiplied. Still, I think it is a major uphill battle to fix the problems in Western society or even to halt the degradation. Things are just too far gone.

However, intentional communities are typically successful in preserving their values within the confines of the community even when those values clash with those of society at large. There are many examples of small but successful intentional communities in the United States. Communities with a wide variety of value systems have been allowed to exist with relatively little interference, as long as they've played nice with the government. Most of these communities are leftist communes, but there are several examples with right-wing value systems including different traditions of Amish and Mennonites and the Free State Project in New Hampshire.

If enough RVFers joined together to live in an intentional community, we'd be able to enforce our values and keep out the toxic values of modern Western culture. If we did it in a low population state it's possible that our numbers could be enough to influence politics just like the Free State Project.

Furthermore, this could solve the issue of what to do with your traditional foreign bride. Many RVFers have married or are considering marrying foreign brides who have the traditional values and femininity that many modern Western career-oriented women lack. However, these men know that moving their foreign bride to the United States will likely end up in her being corrupted by the domestic culture. So the most common strategy seems to be to keep the foreign bride in her birth country. However, many guys would prefer the amenities that somewhere like the United States affords.

An intentional community could solve this problem. If the community is made up of only RVFer men and traditional women, then the women will reinforce their own good value systems rather than be corrupted by Western women.

So if this is something that our forum decides it wants to consider, there are several questions to be answered:
1. How many men would want to do something like this?
2. Where should the community be based?
3. What exactly would be the rules of the community?
4. What skills would the community members have and what type of industries could the community be involved in?

This is clearly a very forward-looking and speculative post. I don't think anybody is ready to uproot their lives and move to a nascent RVF intentional community. But I think the time to start discussing this type of idea is upon us, as things in the West get worse.

This would be a major undertaking. We'd essentially be going Galt. It would be a major challenge, but also a great adventure. Please let me know what you guys think.]]> (A thread started by RexImperator https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58153.html touches a bit on planned communities, but not to the level of detail here).

An intentional community is a planned community based around certain values. Different communities are organized around a wide variety of values, but the central idea is that they are a place for like-minded people to live in proximity and reinforce the values that they all hold.

The forum itself is already a sort of virtual intentional community, and it has already been much more successful than I would have thought at spreading its influence beyond the virtual world into things like politics and the culture wars. The absolute number of men here is not great, but the quality of those men allows their influence to be multiplied. Still, I think it is a major uphill battle to fix the problems in Western society or even to halt the degradation. Things are just too far gone.

However, intentional communities are typically successful in preserving their values within the confines of the community even when those values clash with those of society at large. There are many examples of small but successful intentional communities in the United States. Communities with a wide variety of value systems have been allowed to exist with relatively little interference, as long as they've played nice with the government. Most of these communities are leftist communes, but there are several examples with right-wing value systems including different traditions of Amish and Mennonites and the Free State Project in New Hampshire.

If enough RVFers joined together to live in an intentional community, we'd be able to enforce our values and keep out the toxic values of modern Western culture. If we did it in a low population state it's possible that our numbers could be enough to influence politics just like the Free State Project.

Furthermore, this could solve the issue of what to do with your traditional foreign bride. Many RVFers have married or are considering marrying foreign brides who have the traditional values and femininity that many modern Western career-oriented women lack. However, these men know that moving their foreign bride to the United States will likely end up in her being corrupted by the domestic culture. So the most common strategy seems to be to keep the foreign bride in her birth country. However, many guys would prefer the amenities that somewhere like the United States affords.

An intentional community could solve this problem. If the community is made up of only RVFer men and traditional women, then the women will reinforce their own good value systems rather than be corrupted by Western women.

So if this is something that our forum decides it wants to consider, there are several questions to be answered:
1. How many men would want to do something like this?
2. Where should the community be based?
3. What exactly would be the rules of the community?
4. What skills would the community members have and what type of industries could the community be involved in?

This is clearly a very forward-looking and speculative post. I don't think anybody is ready to uproot their lives and move to a nascent RVF intentional community. But I think the time to start discussing this type of idea is upon us, as things in the West get worse.

This would be a major undertaking. We'd essentially be going Galt. It would be a major challenge, but also a great adventure. Please let me know what you guys think.]]> <![CDATA[Are you insane? Or just out of place in today's world?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62985.html Sun, 28 May 2017 20:48:17 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62985.html
The problem is that the other side has the power of the law and clinical psyches (psychologists and psychiatrists) are ever beckoning to the will of their liberal masters. What is seen as insane may very well be just the way things used to be, that now under this false light of 21st century progressivism casts an unwelcome shadow.

What would you do if you were in a predicament for the established order is trying to make you look insane, or at least abnormal? In my case I'm being evaluated by military mental health, which is a complete joke, and I think they just labeled me with a personality disorder for confessing my hatred of fags, trannies, tattoos, equalism, women in the military, cuckolding to israel, muslim immigrants, white guilt, etc. I just don't give a fuck anymore lol.

What do you guys feel? Are you insane? Or just out of place in today's world.]]>
The problem is that the other side has the power of the law and clinical psyches (psychologists and psychiatrists) are ever beckoning to the will of their liberal masters. What is seen as insane may very well be just the way things used to be, that now under this false light of 21st century progressivism casts an unwelcome shadow.

What would you do if you were in a predicament for the established order is trying to make you look insane, or at least abnormal? In my case I'm being evaluated by military mental health, which is a complete joke, and I think they just labeled me with a personality disorder for confessing my hatred of fags, trannies, tattoos, equalism, women in the military, cuckolding to israel, muslim immigrants, white guilt, etc. I just don't give a fuck anymore lol.

What do you guys feel? Are you insane? Or just out of place in today's world.]]> <![CDATA[Our tech is shit: A dissent on the claim technology is currently rapidly improving]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62960.html Fri, 26 May 2017 22:13:33 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62960.html
But I disagree with this assessment of our technology. It has made steady improvements in one specific space: software and electronic hardware. That is all. On top of that, the improvements on the hardware have not even been ground breaking. GPS is a ground-breaking invention. Smaller screens are not: they are just an incremental improvement.

Smartphones are merely the result of incremental improvements in the size and quality of electronic components. The only breakthroughs involved are ages old. The invention of the transistor, the laser, etc. The existence of google, facebook, uber, and so on, are merely inevitable "new applications" stemming from these improvements. They are not breakthroughs, they are merely improvements and combinations upon the telephone, the directory, and the taxi.

In my opinion, technology as a whole is borderline stagnant.

A list of why technology is still shit:
Electronics & Machines
- Our phones and laptops last less than a day. It is comical that our lives are beholden to charging batteries.
- It all breaks easily. Let any piece of tech drop out of your hand, and there is greater than 50% odds it breaks.
- Cars. Nothing has yet to economically, by its own merit, push the gasoline combustion engine car out of general popularity. Something that was invented in 1870. Goods are still man-driven around in trucks.
- Commercial airplanes are actually slower than they used to be.
- No one has been back to the moon since the 60s, we just continue flinging camera drones into space
- Our current idea of "new electronics tech" is quadrotor drones (a mere combination/improvement on existing gyroscope, computing, radio and battery technology)

Energy
- We still burn liquid or solid tree & dinosaur remains to power things.
- Our response to nuclear power, the best source of energy we currently have was, "OMG too dangerous staap!", not "OK how can we make it safe and better?".
- No new forms of feasible energy have been created (that fusion shit is still fantasy)
- Instead governments fuck around with windmills and steam power (which sounds so much fancier when you say "renewable energy" and "geothermal energy")

Medicine
- Kids still get acne
- Men still go bald
- Everyone still gets the cold and flu, and there are no cures
- The worst disease is still treated (unreliably) with knives and poison
- Pasteur invented modern vaccination back in 1885. Anti-biotics in 1928. X-rays (and medical imaging) in 1895. Even the MRI, an improved/additional form of medical imager, was invented back in 1977.
- There is still no way to make the crippled walk, the blind see, the deaf hear (you can only "aid" hearing), the amputees grow back what they've lost, and so on.

Clothes
- We still bind our clothes with buttons. Fucking buttons, the most inefficient binding there is. We even still use laces Huh

- Everything still wears out at the same rate it used to.
- You still have to iron them, or take them to a dry cleaning shop and wait more than a day.
- The only meaningful recent "breakthrough" was just an improved belt buckle (a form of ratchet buckle). Vecro was invented in 1941, and the zipper in 1851.

Food
- The current pinnacle of food efficiency is still the sandwich. For hot meals it's still the microwave meal (microwave oven invented in 1933).
- 99% of even citizens of rich countries, get their groceries in the same way as ever: walk into a shop, select them, carry them home. No automation in this beyond gimmicks is yet to exist.

Finance
- The current pinnacle of payment technology, the credit card, was invented in 1951.
- Internet banking is nothing more than cheques (ancient) over telecom technology.
- I'll concede that "contactless payment", which was invented recently in 1997, is one breakthrough since it has made a material improvement in an ancient and tedious process, but even that is just technically radio + cheques.

Feel free to add your own below!]]>
But I disagree with this assessment of our technology. It has made steady improvements in one specific space: software and electronic hardware. That is all. On top of that, the improvements on the hardware have not even been ground breaking. GPS is a ground-breaking invention. Smaller screens are not: they are just an incremental improvement.

Smartphones are merely the result of incremental improvements in the size and quality of electronic components. The only breakthroughs involved are ages old. The invention of the transistor, the laser, etc. The existence of google, facebook, uber, and so on, are merely inevitable "new applications" stemming from these improvements. They are not breakthroughs, they are merely improvements and combinations upon the telephone, the directory, and the taxi.

In my opinion, technology as a whole is borderline stagnant.

A list of why technology is still shit:
Electronics & Machines
- Our phones and laptops last less than a day. It is comical that our lives are beholden to charging batteries.
- It all breaks easily. Let any piece of tech drop out of your hand, and there is greater than 50% odds it breaks.
- Cars. Nothing has yet to economically, by its own merit, push the gasoline combustion engine car out of general popularity. Something that was invented in 1870. Goods are still man-driven around in trucks.
- Commercial airplanes are actually slower than they used to be.
- No one has been back to the moon since the 60s, we just continue flinging camera drones into space
- Our current idea of "new electronics tech" is quadrotor drones (a mere combination/improvement on existing gyroscope, computing, radio and battery technology)

Energy
- We still burn liquid or solid tree & dinosaur remains to power things.
- Our response to nuclear power, the best source of energy we currently have was, "OMG too dangerous staap!", not "OK how can we make it safe and better?".
- No new forms of feasible energy have been created (that fusion shit is still fantasy)
- Instead governments fuck around with windmills and steam power (which sounds so much fancier when you say "renewable energy" and "geothermal energy")

Medicine
- Kids still get acne
- Men still go bald
- Everyone still gets the cold and flu, and there are no cures
- The worst disease is still treated (unreliably) with knives and poison
- Pasteur invented modern vaccination back in 1885. Anti-biotics in 1928. X-rays (and medical imaging) in 1895. Even the MRI, an improved/additional form of medical imager, was invented back in 1977.
- There is still no way to make the crippled walk, the blind see, the deaf hear (you can only "aid" hearing), the amputees grow back what they've lost, and so on.

Clothes
- We still bind our clothes with buttons. Fucking buttons, the most inefficient binding there is. We even still use laces Huh

(05-23-2017 10:15 AM)kavi Wrote: Boys, cannot throw out Islam and still entertain Christianity, two sides of the same coin.

The only real challenge to Islam can only come from Atheists and those who see the Monotheistic Dualistic wordview as the danger that it is.

A bit hypocritical to respect Christianity and call Islam names, there isnt too much difference in the two.

and got a lock of criticism

(05-23-2017 10:22 AM)Paracelsus Wrote: You're welcome to specify the parts of the New Testament where Jesus invites the disciples to cut off the heads of Samaritans who refuse baptism, or freely rape chicks from Siloam captured in battle. Maybe I missed that part of the Bible where it says "Line up and throw straight" instead of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Fuck, dude, even Sam Harris concedes only idiots argue moral equivalence between Christanity and Islam. Wander back to your pantheistic corner of the belief spectrum and shut the fuck up already.

(05-23-2017 10:26 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote: That is the biggest load of nonsense I have ever seen posted on this forum, and that's saying a lot.

Degenerate, atheism-inspired decadence is the precise reason that we're in this mess to begin with. Do you think an unapologetically Christian and European society would tolerate its young children being torn apart by high explosives?

Look for one example where a declining, decadent society was able to defeat a tribal, "barbarian" one, I dare you. The answer isn't more decadence, but restoring the unapologetically Christian and European society that made the West great in the first place.

I think we're in this mess because some Roman ceasar decided he would do away with his (and Romes) ancestral religion and make new foreign upstart the official religion of the Empire.

(05-23-2017 10:31 AM)Repo Wrote: Hell I'm not even Christian, but you definately can do that. Christians aren't blowing things up. And last I checked, athiests never went to war with muslims to stop the spread of their religion. You can definately be either an athiest or a christian and not let these people in. As an athiest, all I care is that christians aren't hurting anyone, so who cares what they believe.

No Atheists didnt, because the Christian Empire forcibly converted them in Europe, as did the Muslims in Asia.

(05-23-2017 10:39 AM)Horus Wrote: Get outta here with that bullshit. To say that Islam and Christianity are even remotely similar shows that you are completely ignorant of the teachings in the Bible and the Koran. Spend a little time studying up on these books and then try to give us some solid examples of how "there isn't much different in the two."

Remotely similar? You follow pretty much the same God, have the same beliefs (Monotheism, Universality, Afterlife, Heaven/Hell, prophetic revelation) and the same stories and personalities etc.

(05-23-2017 02:43 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:
(05-23-2017 10:15 AM)kavi Wrote: A bit hypocritical to respect Christianity and call Islam names, there isnt too much difference in the two.

You are absolutely wrong on this account.
There aren't any similarities between the two religions.

I challenge you to find the similarities.

And no, quoting the old testament as a claim doesn't count. Jesus came and did away with the old laws and as such are not an accurate representation of Christianity.

I cannot think of any two religions in the world that are more similar than Christianity and Islam. It is absurd that this claim is even being challenged. I do wonder to what extent people here actually believe what they're saying. Perhaps the Christians dont get it, but a Muslim will know what I mean. Islam is not mentioned in the Bible as it did not exist then, but Christianity is mentioned in the Koran. Muslims have a special place for Christians, as they belong to The People of the Book, a concept in Islam referring to adherents of Islam, Christianity and Judaism (maybe Zoroastrianism too).

I just cant be bothered going into all the similarities one by one in detail, as there are far too many and I think it is obvious to anyone what they are. I mean, just compare Islam and Christianity to any one of Greek Mythology, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism and you will see that the two are relatively very, very similar.

I think the reason Christians and Muslims dont get this is that these religions are very dominant and most of the religious spectrum no longer exists or is very far away (India etc), therefore, there is little else to compare to hence the two can be made to look much more different than they are.

The most important point is that these are the only two religions in the world that proselytise and try to convert people into a religion where the most important thing is belief itself. This is really important. In Christianity and Islam, nothing is more important than belief in God and following his directions. Infact, the two religions are exclusive in the regard, and this is the defining characteristic of both faiths.

(05-08-2017 09:29 PM)Robert Rule Wrote: Ive fell a few times and was lukewarm, but I keep coming back to Christ. The struggles of being poor and in difficult situations strengthened my trust in god. And he showed me I can only have joy and life through him.
Im on my own, just me and god, and he will judge me for my actions and my heart. So I'm staying pure before god and living my life for him.
It's difficult to not pursue sex, or comfort. Too not give up and be lukewarm.
I cant, ive had the joy, and peace of the lords fruit. My life will be to leave everything and live my life for god. This is not my home.

(05-23-2017 10:15 AM)kavi Wrote: Boys, cannot throw out Islam and still entertain Christianity, two sides of the same coin.

The only real challenge to Islam can only come from Atheists and those who see the Monotheistic Dualistic wordview as the danger that it is.

A bit hypocritical to respect Christianity and call Islam names, there isnt too much difference in the two.

and got a lock of criticism

(05-23-2017 10:22 AM)Paracelsus Wrote: You're welcome to specify the parts of the New Testament where Jesus invites the disciples to cut off the heads of Samaritans who refuse baptism, or freely rape chicks from Siloam captured in battle. Maybe I missed that part of the Bible where it says "Line up and throw straight" instead of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Fuck, dude, even Sam Harris concedes only idiots argue moral equivalence between Christanity and Islam. Wander back to your pantheistic corner of the belief spectrum and shut the fuck up already.

(05-23-2017 10:26 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote: That is the biggest load of nonsense I have ever seen posted on this forum, and that's saying a lot.

Degenerate, atheism-inspired decadence is the precise reason that we're in this mess to begin with. Do you think an unapologetically Christian and European society would tolerate its young children being torn apart by high explosives?

Look for one example where a declining, decadent society was able to defeat a tribal, "barbarian" one, I dare you. The answer isn't more decadence, but restoring the unapologetically Christian and European society that made the West great in the first place.

I think we're in this mess because some Roman ceasar decided he would do away with his (and Romes) ancestral religion and make new foreign upstart the official religion of the Empire.

(05-23-2017 10:31 AM)Repo Wrote: Hell I'm not even Christian, but you definately can do that. Christians aren't blowing things up. And last I checked, athiests never went to war with muslims to stop the spread of their religion. You can definately be either an athiest or a christian and not let these people in. As an athiest, all I care is that christians aren't hurting anyone, so who cares what they believe.

No Atheists didnt, because the Christian Empire forcibly converted them in Europe, as did the Muslims in Asia.

(05-23-2017 10:39 AM)Horus Wrote: Get outta here with that bullshit. To say that Islam and Christianity are even remotely similar shows that you are completely ignorant of the teachings in the Bible and the Koran. Spend a little time studying up on these books and then try to give us some solid examples of how "there isn't much different in the two."

Remotely similar? You follow pretty much the same God, have the same beliefs (Monotheism, Universality, Afterlife, Heaven/Hell, prophetic revelation) and the same stories and personalities etc.

(05-23-2017 02:43 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:
(05-23-2017 10:15 AM)kavi Wrote: A bit hypocritical to respect Christianity and call Islam names, there isnt too much difference in the two.

You are absolutely wrong on this account.
There aren't any similarities between the two religions.

I challenge you to find the similarities.

And no, quoting the old testament as a claim doesn't count. Jesus came and did away with the old laws and as such are not an accurate representation of Christianity.

(05-08-2017 09:29 PM)Robert Rule Wrote: Ive fell a few times and was lukewarm, but I keep coming back to Christ. The struggles of being poor and in difficult situations strengthened my trust in god. And he showed me I can only have joy and life through him.
Im on my own, just me and god, and he will judge me for my actions and my heart. So I'm staying pure before god and living my life for him.
It's difficult to not pursue sex, or comfort. Too not give up and be lukewarm.
I cant, ive had the joy, and peace of the lords fruit. My life will be to leave everything and live my life for god. This is not my home.

This is a post from another thread. Change the world God above and replace with Allah. Still works right? Now imagine our Manchester suicide bomber saying this before the act. Still works doesnt it. Look at the last line, how does that not sound like the last words of a suicide bomber.

Just because Christians dont do suicide bombs or terrorism, doesnt mean they're ideology is different.

Once you say your relationship and belief in God is the most important aspect in your life, and once you accept God as the ultimate thing, then your mind can be bent to accept any act of terrorism (or anything else). The reason is once you go into that frame you lose touch with reality and any real morality based on the real world.

Someone mentioned quranic quotes that tell the followers to kill infidels. But so what? Didnt the Christians persecute and forcibly convert European pagans to the faith with the full knowledge and support of the Church. So what if that is not sanctioned in Bible? Is it explicitly prohibited?]]> <![CDATA[THE FEMINIST APLHA FEMALES AND MY MESSAGE TO AMERICAN GUYS]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62896.html Tue, 23 May 2017 08:58:25 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62896.html I am a PUA from France. Before I was deeply into the game theory also into a spiritual type of game which consists of creating women in your life from a spiritual stand point by creating an amazing life creating space and following your purpose instead of being in a scarecity mindset looking for women everywhere you go...AND today I want to talk about an another dimension which is a topic brought up many times by Roosh V.

This dimension is the very important "feminism-transgender" dimension. Thanks to Roosh learning about this is very eye openning in terms of recognising the women who are affected by this ideology. Sorry to say but feminism is like a disease and If the woman in question has a "weak" mind then the feminism exposure washes her brain.

Let me explain...in France all the socialist communist leftist community with all their TV programs and newpapers diffusing this material EXACTLY LIKE the streaming communist radios in Nord Korea which are the radios present in each house that you CAN NOT turn off...

So every women is exposed to this diffusion BUT thankfully every girl is not fully affected some are affected maybe 10% some 40 % some are affected 90 %...it depends on the way they are raised and their life experiences...
Those women do not have to be in a feminist group to be brainwashed. This is about manipulation of masses.

Unfortunately the real agenda of those feminist leftist associations IS NOT to defend women rights or homosexual rights...
The agenda is completely different....
Is the agenda about family destruction ????

My first message to american guys is to continue the battle. Donald Trump s election is a proof that men are standing up to defend their values which is great BUT DON T FORGET = Those leftist ideologists started the battle about 200 years ago so DO NOT GIVE UP...Even If Trump is elected the leftists will NEVER give up....
Because in France we lost the battle (for the moment). Even some right wing french men agree with feminist ideas because the propaganda which has been difused is very intense and they elliminate and delete from the screen every idea which opposes their ideology. The leftist DEEP STATE in France took down the most powerfull right wing candidate named François Fillon which was a guy who wanted to defend family and patriarchy INTENSLY...
They took him down by creating false accusations against him by the left wing judges...So I d say please be carefull in America this deep state is present in almost every western country...NEVER GIVE UP !

My second message is HOW DO WE USE THIS IN OUR ADVANTAGE in terms of gaming ?

There is a term in game which is called Blueprint which consists of determining what kind of girl you re dealing with to adapte your game to be more efficient in terms of fucking the girl....

Before when I was looking the blueprint of the girl I was concentrating on what kind of girl she is ? Does she need more value or more confort ? What is her market value ? Does she have many opportunities to meet guys in her life (very important) ?

AND thanks to ROOSH V...now I added the the "feminist leftist" element in my blueprint analysis. It is simply about understanding how much is the girl affected by feminism. If she is affected a lot then the asshole game works well and more importantly making her qualify herself many many times is golden ! But If she is not very affected than you can apply a game which doesn t challange her that much...I d almost say If she is a nice girl with 10 % affected by feminism you can even do chill game or even chode game...(but still she must respect you a lot)

I realized this when I was gaming young french girls. I am and older dude and I have a lots of success with young french girls...at first I was surprised... Why ? Because they are NOT totaly affected by feminism yet AND they are more in touch with their feminine side compared to older women....

But ATTENTION you can even find an older woman which is not very affected by feminist thoughts....

Also the political ideas of the woman in question IS NOT 100 % related to her "feminist bluprint" I mean she can sometimes be right wing and still be very "feminist" in her way of bei.c...

So let s describe this what does it mean to be affected by feminism / leftism ?
Some women are TOTALY affected by this, Those women have simply lost their core feminine enegy they behave like alpha males they have leadership professions or mascular professions and they can not realy be a woman they behave like they have a lots of options they are extreemly sellective...In France even the ones who are 50 years old try to sleep with young guys with sixpacks and Di Caprio faces...those women are the "alpha males" of the 21. Century they not only lost their feminine energy they became the ultimate apha males....

But the example that I describe above is a woman who is almost 100% affected...the problem is they exist..there are many like that...After every woman is not 100% affected but maybe 40% maybe 10% so you must take this into consideration and adapt your game accordingly...

My game skyrocketted when I understood this concept....
Also...again....don t give up the battle. Trump s election is great but be aware and continue...]]> I am a PUA from France. Before I was deeply into the game theory also into a spiritual type of game which consists of creating women in your life from a spiritual stand point by creating an amazing life creating space and following your purpose instead of being in a scarecity mindset looking for women everywhere you go...AND today I want to talk about an another dimension which is a topic brought up many times by Roosh V.

This dimension is the very important "feminism-transgender" dimension. Thanks to Roosh learning about this is very eye openning in terms of recognising the women who are affected by this ideology. Sorry to say but feminism is like a disease and If the woman in question has a "weak" mind then the feminism exposure washes her brain.

Let me explain...in France all the socialist communist leftist community with all their TV programs and newpapers diffusing this material EXACTLY LIKE the streaming communist radios in Nord Korea which are the radios present in each house that you CAN NOT turn off...

So every women is exposed to this diffusion BUT thankfully every girl is not fully affected some are affected maybe 10% some 40 % some are affected 90 %...it depends on the way they are raised and their life experiences...
Those women do not have to be in a feminist group to be brainwashed. This is about manipulation of masses.

Unfortunately the real agenda of those feminist leftist associations IS NOT to defend women rights or homosexual rights...
The agenda is completely different....
Is the agenda about family destruction ????

My first message to american guys is to continue the battle. Donald Trump s election is a proof that men are standing up to defend their values which is great BUT DON T FORGET = Those leftist ideologists started the battle about 200 years ago so DO NOT GIVE UP...Even If Trump is elected the leftists will NEVER give up....
Because in France we lost the battle (for the moment). Even some right wing french men agree with feminist ideas because the propaganda which has been difused is very intense and they elliminate and delete from the screen every idea which opposes their ideology. The leftist DEEP STATE in France took down the most powerfull right wing candidate named François Fillon which was a guy who wanted to defend family and patriarchy INTENSLY...
They took him down by creating false accusations against him by the left wing judges...So I d say please be carefull in America this deep state is present in almost every western country...NEVER GIVE UP !

My second message is HOW DO WE USE THIS IN OUR ADVANTAGE in terms of gaming ?

There is a term in game which is called Blueprint which consists of determining what kind of girl you re dealing with to adapte your game to be more efficient in terms of fucking the girl....

Before when I was looking the blueprint of the girl I was concentrating on what kind of girl she is ? Does she need more value or more confort ? What is her market value ? Does she have many opportunities to meet guys in her life (very important) ?

AND thanks to ROOSH V...now I added the the "feminist leftist" element in my blueprint analysis. It is simply about understanding how much is the girl affected by feminism. If she is affected a lot then the asshole game works well and more importantly making her qualify herself many many times is golden ! But If she is not very affected than you can apply a game which doesn t challange her that much...I d almost say If she is a nice girl with 10 % affected by feminism you can even do chill game or even chode game...(but still she must respect you a lot)

I realized this when I was gaming young french girls. I am and older dude and I have a lots of success with young french girls...at first I was surprised... Why ? Because they are NOT totaly affected by feminism yet AND they are more in touch with their feminine side compared to older women....

But ATTENTION you can even find an older woman which is not very affected by feminist thoughts....

Also the political ideas of the woman in question IS NOT 100 % related to her "feminist bluprint" I mean she can sometimes be right wing and still be very "feminist" in her way of bei.c...

So let s describe this what does it mean to be affected by feminism / leftism ?
Some women are TOTALY affected by this, Those women have simply lost their core feminine enegy they behave like alpha males they have leadership professions or mascular professions and they can not realy be a woman they behave like they have a lots of options they are extreemly sellective...In France even the ones who are 50 years old try to sleep with young guys with sixpacks and Di Caprio faces...those women are the "alpha males" of the 21. Century they not only lost their feminine energy they became the ultimate apha males....

But the example that I describe above is a woman who is almost 100% affected...the problem is they exist..there are many like that...After every woman is not 100% affected but maybe 40% maybe 10% so you must take this into consideration and adapt your game accordingly...

My game skyrocketted when I understood this concept....
Also...again....don t give up the battle. Trump s election is great but be aware and continue...]]> <![CDATA[Strategies for surrendering and living the rest of your life as a broken man]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62892.html Tue, 23 May 2017 05:40:11 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62892.html
I understand why men surrender. It's not the oncoming bayonets of the enemy army that make a soldier turn and run; it's when he sees panic and a breakdown of discipline among the ranks of his own platoon. And it's not the knife in the chest that hurts the most, but the knife in the back. That's why feminists and SJWs love to infiltrate movements and organizations and play the concern troll; it's a much more effective tactic of destroying their opponents than attacking them from the outside. (And this is also why every movement needs a strong leader, to keep order and send traitors, cowards, and spies before the firing squad, so to speak.)

Dissident activists start out knowing they're going to be persecuted by the establishment, but what really knocks the wind out of them is when their own erstwhile supporters say stuff like, "Aren't you being a little selfish? When you hurt yourself, you hurt us, but obviously you don't care about that. You show your lack of respect for us, when you bring upon yourself inconvenience and controversy, and make us feel embarrassed to be associated with you," or "Your taking our ideas to their logical conclusions in such a public way hurts our movement, so we're going to rewrite history to say that you were never truly one of us, but rather all along you were either an agent provocateur serving our enemies or a publicity whore insincerely using our ideology's name as a platform for getting more attention solely for ego gratification," or "Think of all the opportunities to change the world by working within the system, that you're flushing down the toilet by being so unreasonable!"

One of the reasons men apologize in a particularly degrading way is so that they will destroy their own self-respect, creating a psychological barrier to later changing their mind and going back to their original stance. That way, they can feel a sense of peace in knowing that they need not fret about the decision anymore because it is irrevocable. Activists start out thinking, "I am a bold man of integrity!" They revel in their egoistic dance for attention, knowing that being an eloquent and outspoken dissident makes them special, because there aren't very many of those around.

Then, when the pressure gets to be too much, they disavow their past stances. They may take irreversible actions, like resigning from office or burning all of their past writings, as a way of showing commitment to their new path. The media publishes an article headlined, "Misogynistic Rape Advocate Disavows Anti-Woman Stances, but Only after Coming Under Intense Criticism" and then all is quiet. He feels a sense of relief, telling himself, "I did what I had to do."

The activist now is in a position where there will be a lot of cognitive dissonance if he wants to reverse course yet again and resume his "misogynistic rape advocacy." People might say, "I thought you disavowed all that? Make up your mind!" Dissident activists usually pride themselves in being more truthful than the powers that be, and having the confidence of their convictions rather than going whichever way the political winds blow, as the politicians do. So it can be tempting to just double down and say, "No, I really did change my mind; I don't feel the way I used to anymore."

Besides, the activist who has surrendered can wallow in his victimhood. He can spend the rest of his life saying, "Look, I tried to speak my mind, but they shut me down, and I'm still suffering the consequences." He can think of himself as somewhat of a hero for even going as far as he went before giving up, since most people didn't even do that much. But that nagging question arises, "What next?" He glances at the hedonic treadmill gathering dust in the corner, and realizes there's nothing else to do but climb up on it again and get some exercise.

He can also comfort himself with the thought of there being plausible deniability as to whether his convictions were right to begin with. Humans are prone to error, and to being confident in their error. Remember how confident we were in our blue pill beliefs, before we went red pill? So who's to say that the red pill is correct? That could just be another delusion based on confirmation bias and the fact that we're hanging around a bunch of people with similar beliefs. The blue pill could, theoretically, still be correct.

So if, under pressure, we say, "Never mind! I disavow the red pill, and embrace the blue pill!" who knows, maybe that is indeed the right stance. If there's weren't some degree of doubt and inability to prove it definitively, there would be no need to choose one or the other based solely on inferences; we would just test the logic and evidence and come to a consensus. Blue pillers would all come over to the red pill, or red pillers would all come over to the blue pill, and we would all dance around the campfire together singing kumbaya.

The mythology of redemption runs deep in our culture. The man who repents feels inner peace, thinking, "Now I have been cleansed from wickedness, and my soul is as pure as snow!" But all it boils down to is an unconditional surrender to superior power. People who fear Hell give their lives to Jesus because they can't figure out a way to overpower God. The bank robber apologizes for his crimes and vows to pay restitution because he can't figure out a way to bust out of those handcuffs, jump over the fence, and hijack a plane to some country that lacks extradition.

The man who is powerful, on the other hand, doesn't need redemption. On the contrary, he is the one with the privilege of getting offended at others' behavior, and demanding they repent if they want to get back in his good graces. It just happens that as a dissident activist, you're not the one with the power.

Another way in which activists comfort themselves after surrendering is by saying, "Well, maybe the tactics I was using weren't the most effective anyway. I riled a bunch of people up, and got a lot of attention, but you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar." At that point, he just chooses to ignore the fact that the debate has become polarized, with the opposition accepting no compromises and caring nothing for the legitimate concerns of his side. He tries not to think about the fact that the media only pays attention to flamboyant characters who throw caution to the wind. He tries not to think of obituaries like this one:

Bloomberg Wrote:Dr. Jack Kevorkian, who died last week at age 83, was a crank, an obsessive, a deeply eccentric loner, and a publicity hog. He also was a hero. There is a connection. Cranks move the world; polite, modest, unassuming people with measured views usually don’t.

The reality is that many people advocate gentle persuasion rather than confrontation because provoking confrontation is often harshly punished. But why is it harshly punished? Probably because it works! Therefore, a penalty has to imposed on those who resort to it. Meanwhile, a fake avenue for change (i.e. peaceful, low-profile persuasion of one's adversaries) is created so that people will make a few token efforts in that direction and tell themselves that they've done their duty.

Go ahead -- cast a ballot for Trump. Put an "I Voted" sticker on your shirt so that for the next several months (till Trump actually takes office and goes on live television to kiss the butts of the same Jewish, Saudi Arabian, etc. establishment that put in office his predecessors), you can pat yourself on the back and tell yourself that you did your part. Our system is set up in such an efficient way that making all the necessary changes the world only requires the very quick, inexpensive, and socially accepted act of casting a secret ballot every four years, right? It couldn't possibly be set up in such a dysfunctional way that the only method for effecting certain changes is by heroic individuals' making great sacrifices for the public good, sometimes over the course of many decades before the desired change comes to pass?

Tell yourself, "I am just one man. I can't change the world by myself. To believe I could would be quixotic and grandiose. I am just one grain of sand out of billions on this beach of humanity."

Forget about the fact that you're different than others; that you're better than that. Forget about the fact that you have a calling that motivates you to strive above what the masses aspire to. Forget about how you kept alive a few embers of hope that someday may burst into an open flame of effective action and rage into a roaring fire devouring all the dead wood and making room for new life to spring forth. Forget about the fact that you softened some of the more moderate members of your opposition by forcing the issue and sparking a debate that made them a little less certain of the rightness of their views, even if they didn't totally come around to your side.

Oh, you would like to forget about all that, because it would make you more comfortable in your decision to surrender, but it's always there, in the back of your mind. So then the only way to escape the cognitive dissonance is to go into the depression and say, "I should've stuck to my guns, but I was weak. That makes me unworthy of being an activist. So therefore, it's just as well I gave up, because I'm just not suited to this work."

Like many thoughts depressed people have, by which they convince themselves to do nothing (e.g. "I feel disgusted with myself for being such a fat slob. I better comfort myself by eating an entire box of Yodels"), that's a circular argument, though.

Or you can nitpick the little things that you should've done differently, while you were still taking a principled stand and hadn't surrendered yet: "Ah, you know, when I talked to that reporter, I didn't really get my thoughts across in a convincing way. There were a few arguments I should've made, that I didn't think of at the time. So maybe I'm not the best spokesperson for this movement. Therefore, I have an excuse to give up, and it's just as well that I surrendered."

This being the manosphere, though, it's best if you don't admit any weakness or insecurities about your abilities to effectively share the red pill and handle the resulting pushback, but instead have an attitude of, "I would tell people about the red pill, but the first rule of red pill is, don't talk about red pill." Then put on some sunglasses and smoke a joint as the gangsta music plays. You're such a badass.

Another time-honored conscience-soothing technique is just to say, "Everything's hopeless anyway; the world is too far gone to save, so I won't even try." Then you can pat yourself on the back for being so smart you didn't fall for people's invitations or exhortations to try to make a difference. You can tell yourself that it's a total coincidence that your suddenly being too weak to continue the fight just happened to immediately precede your becoming aware that the fight is unwinnable anyway for mankind as a whole, and therefore it's just as well that you didn't waste your effort.

Anyway, on to particular strategies. I've noticed that sometimes, an activist will offend a certain powerful group, and then say, "I'm going to reward you for attacking my livelihood by giving you all my money," e.g.:

Rachel Monroe Wrote:As the news of Jared and Jacob’s secret life continued to spread on Facebook, the men issued ham-fisted apologies (Jared: “Most of my life I’ve struggled with insecurities around dating”; Jacob: “I love women”) that only seemed to make things worse. They proclaimed that they would donate the coffee shop’s profits for the rest of the year to Our Voice, a local rape crisis center; Our Voice rejected the money and issued a statement saying that the organization “is not in a position of absolving them for their misogyny as it perpetuates a culture of danger to all women and girls.”

This reminded me of what Milo said:

Milo Yiannopoulos Wrote:My book, Dangerous, has received interest from publishers after my previous publisher Simon and Schuster informed me they no longer wished to release it. The book will come out this year as planned. I will be donating 10 per cent of my royalties to child sex abuse charities.

I guess in that case, he was at least able to use his contrite and unexpectedly generously charitable announcement as an opportunity to get in another plug for his book. But I suspect that those child sex abuse charities are probably already bloated with more money than they need (since politicians who oppose their funding get attacked as not caring about the kids), and some of them have turned out to be corrupt (like the vigilantes behind To Catch a Predator).

If you want to know the proper way to live out the rest of your life as a broken man after surrendering, I think inspiration can be found in the final chapter of Orwell's 1984. Yeah, Winston Smith is a fictional character, but the story rings true to life. To my recollection, he doesn't apologize to Big Brother or offer to pay 10 percent of his salary to the Junior Anti-Sex League as a token of his remorse for being such a bad example by banging a hot 26-year-old instead of practicing his physical jerks alone in his room. He keeps his dignity as much as he can.

On the other hand, I think there's a subtle element of subversion in the way he surrenders, because he goes so over-the-top: "Do it to Julia! Do it to Julia! Not me! Julia! I don’t care what you do to her. Tear her face off, strip her to the bones. Not me! Julia! Not me!" When you go so far in your surrender to the point that it becomes absurd, it emphasizes the fact that you're giving up under extreme pressure, rather than because of a sincere change in beliefs.

By the way -- I think men are capable sometimes of succumbing to the same kind of dissociation that women manifest. Under extreme pressure, it's possible to convince yourself, at least temporarily, that the doctrine your torturers want you to convert to is sound. This enables you to more convincingly speak and act as though you've repented. If someone then throws you a lifeline, it can convince you that you're on the right path, because it produced a good result. This is what conversion by the sword is all about.]]>
I understand why men surrender. It's not the oncoming bayonets of the enemy army that make a soldier turn and run; it's when he sees panic and a breakdown of discipline among the ranks of his own platoon. And it's not the knife in the chest that hurts the most, but the knife in the back. That's why feminists and SJWs love to infiltrate movements and organizations and play the concern troll; it's a much more effective tactic of destroying their opponents than attacking them from the outside. (And this is also why every movement needs a strong leader, to keep order and send traitors, cowards, and spies before the firing squad, so to speak.)

Dissident activists start out knowing they're going to be persecuted by the establishment, but what really knocks the wind out of them is when their own erstwhile supporters say stuff like, "Aren't you being a little selfish? When you hurt yourself, you hurt us, but obviously you don't care about that. You show your lack of respect for us, when you bring upon yourself inconvenience and controversy, and make us feel embarrassed to be associated with you," or "Your taking our ideas to their logical conclusions in such a public way hurts our movement, so we're going to rewrite history to say that you were never truly one of us, but rather all along you were either an agent provocateur serving our enemies or a publicity whore insincerely using our ideology's name as a platform for getting more attention solely for ego gratification," or "Think of all the opportunities to change the world by working within the system, that you're flushing down the toilet by being so unreasonable!"

One of the reasons men apologize in a particularly degrading way is so that they will destroy their own self-respect, creating a psychological barrier to later changing their mind and going back to their original stance. That way, they can feel a sense of peace in knowing that they need not fret about the decision anymore because it is irrevocable. Activists start out thinking, "I am a bold man of integrity!" They revel in their egoistic dance for attention, knowing that being an eloquent and outspoken dissident makes them special, because there aren't very many of those around.

Then, when the pressure gets to be too much, they disavow their past stances. They may take irreversible actions, like resigning from office or burning all of their past writings, as a way of showing commitment to their new path. The media publishes an article headlined, "Misogynistic Rape Advocate Disavows Anti-Woman Stances, but Only after Coming Under Intense Criticism" and then all is quiet. He feels a sense of relief, telling himself, "I did what I had to do."

The activist now is in a position where there will be a lot of cognitive dissonance if he wants to reverse course yet again and resume his "misogynistic rape advocacy." People might say, "I thought you disavowed all that? Make up your mind!" Dissident activists usually pride themselves in being more truthful than the powers that be, and having the confidence of their convictions rather than going whichever way the political winds blow, as the politicians do. So it can be tempting to just double down and say, "No, I really did change my mind; I don't feel the way I used to anymore."

Besides, the activist who has surrendered can wallow in his victimhood. He can spend the rest of his life saying, "Look, I tried to speak my mind, but they shut me down, and I'm still suffering the consequences." He can think of himself as somewhat of a hero for even going as far as he went before giving up, since most people didn't even do that much. But that nagging question arises, "What next?" He glances at the hedonic treadmill gathering dust in the corner, and realizes there's nothing else to do but climb up on it again and get some exercise.

He can also comfort himself with the thought of there being plausible deniability as to whether his convictions were right to begin with. Humans are prone to error, and to being confident in their error. Remember how confident we were in our blue pill beliefs, before we went red pill? So who's to say that the red pill is correct? That could just be another delusion based on confirmation bias and the fact that we're hanging around a bunch of people with similar beliefs. The blue pill could, theoretically, still be correct.

So if, under pressure, we say, "Never mind! I disavow the red pill, and embrace the blue pill!" who knows, maybe that is indeed the right stance. If there's weren't some degree of doubt and inability to prove it definitively, there would be no need to choose one or the other based solely on inferences; we would just test the logic and evidence and come to a consensus. Blue pillers would all come over to the red pill, or red pillers would all come over to the blue pill, and we would all dance around the campfire together singing kumbaya.

The mythology of redemption runs deep in our culture. The man who repents feels inner peace, thinking, "Now I have been cleansed from wickedness, and my soul is as pure as snow!" But all it boils down to is an unconditional surrender to superior power. People who fear Hell give their lives to Jesus because they can't figure out a way to overpower God. The bank robber apologizes for his crimes and vows to pay restitution because he can't figure out a way to bust out of those handcuffs, jump over the fence, and hijack a plane to some country that lacks extradition.

The man who is powerful, on the other hand, doesn't need redemption. On the contrary, he is the one with the privilege of getting offended at others' behavior, and demanding they repent if they want to get back in his good graces. It just happens that as a dissident activist, you're not the one with the power.

Another way in which activists comfort themselves after surrendering is by saying, "Well, maybe the tactics I was using weren't the most effective anyway. I riled a bunch of people up, and got a lot of attention, but you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar." At that point, he just chooses to ignore the fact that the debate has become polarized, with the opposition accepting no compromises and caring nothing for the legitimate concerns of his side. He tries not to think about the fact that the media only pays attention to flamboyant characters who throw caution to the wind. He tries not to think of obituaries like this one:

Bloomberg Wrote:Dr. Jack Kevorkian, who died last week at age 83, was a crank, an obsessive, a deeply eccentric loner, and a publicity hog. He also was a hero. There is a connection. Cranks move the world; polite, modest, unassuming people with measured views usually don’t.

Rachel Monroe Wrote:As the news of Jared and Jacob’s secret life continued to spread on Facebook, the men issued ham-fisted apologies (Jared: “Most of my life I’ve struggled with insecurities around dating”; Jacob: “I love women”) that only seemed to make things worse. They proclaimed that they would donate the coffee shop’s profits for the rest of the year to Our Voice, a local rape crisis center; Our Voice rejected the money and issued a statement saying that the organization “is not in a position of absolving them for their misogyny as it perpetuates a culture of danger to all women and girls.”

This reminded me of what Milo said:

Milo Yiannopoulos Wrote:My book, Dangerous, has received interest from publishers after my previous publisher Simon and Schuster informed me they no longer wished to release it. The book will come out this year as planned. I will be donating 10 per cent of my royalties to child sex abuse charities.