https://www.rooshvforum.com/ Fri, 24 May 2019 00:48:39 +0000 MyBB https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73261.html Thu, 23 May 2019 18:21:37 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73261.html
Haven’t attended church in quite a few years, but that’s all about to change. Use to go to after school events and ceremonies with a Mormon friend back in high school.

Didn’t seem like a bad place to meet quality women. Most of them are married now. Is it too late for a mid 20s guy to start attending to find a wife? All the good ones seem to have kids by now

Any insights y’all have would be fabulous!]]>
Haven’t attended church in quite a few years, but that’s all about to change. Use to go to after school events and ceremonies with a Mormon friend back in high school.

Didn’t seem like a bad place to meet quality women. Most of them are married now. Is it too late for a mid 20s guy to start attending to find a wife? All the good ones seem to have kids by now

Any insights y’all have would be fabulous!]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73258.html Thu, 23 May 2019 15:45:44 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73258.html
A final send-off is due.

God-pillers: Your opinion (and decisive forum infiltration victory) are noted but unwelcome here. This is a temp sanctuary for the heathen and unrepentant. Let us discuss our sinful ways in peace.]]>
A final send-off is due.

God-pillers: Your opinion (and decisive forum infiltration victory) are noted but unwelcome here. This is a temp sanctuary for the heathen and unrepentant. Let us discuss our sinful ways in peace.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73255.html Thu, 23 May 2019 06:45:10 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73255.html https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73254.html Thu, 23 May 2019 05:13:40 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73254.html
Here is the problem. As I have done with every girl all my life (I never took them seriously), I lied from the start about several key things: My name, age, occupation, nationality and background. I am confident I can keep these lies going as long as necessary. Obviously if I had known it was going to be a long term prospect I wouldn't have lied but I did so now I have to deal with it.

If it is going to lead toward marriage she has to find out the truth eventually. I am not keen to do any reveals until she is deeply pairbonded and I have her by the balls completely. Another problem obviously is that once it gets serious she will tell her family about me and it will be even harder to get out of the pickle, but telling her now before she is deeply pairbonded may be in itself a great risk.

However here is the crux of the matter: What is the smartest way to reveal these things to her? The most intelligent way to maximize damage control. I'm thinking perhaps I can wait until I propose to her and she is deeply pairbonded then make the reveals (come up with some excuses) and the positive/negative emotions will make her leaving me less likely. Another idea I had is to perhaps make the reveals gradually, plant seeds etc.

If you were in this situation and had to come up with a really really smart way of doing this to maximize the chances of a good outcome, what would it be?

EDIT: The motivation for these lies in the first place were prior convictions and history she could have found by googling me. They were necessary in order to be in this position in the first place, and I have used them from the start of my game career to great effect. A girl is more likely to overlook these things if deeply in love with you than on the first conversation (in short flings it doesn't matter, and I have even had LTRs that I wasn't going to marry where I kept the lies going for years). I am not so much worried about her criticizing my past convictions (a girl in love doesn't care about this), but it will be a huge shock to her my name and background were lies. That is why I need an intelligent way to make these reveals.]]>
Here is the problem. As I have done with every girl all my life (I never took them seriously), I lied from the start about several key things: My name, age, occupation, nationality and background. I am confident I can keep these lies going as long as necessary. Obviously if I had known it was going to be a long term prospect I wouldn't have lied but I did so now I have to deal with it.

If it is going to lead toward marriage she has to find out the truth eventually. I am not keen to do any reveals until she is deeply pairbonded and I have her by the balls completely. Another problem obviously is that once it gets serious she will tell her family about me and it will be even harder to get out of the pickle, but telling her now before she is deeply pairbonded may be in itself a great risk.

However here is the crux of the matter: What is the smartest way to reveal these things to her? The most intelligent way to maximize damage control. I'm thinking perhaps I can wait until I propose to her and she is deeply pairbonded then make the reveals (come up with some excuses) and the positive/negative emotions will make her leaving me less likely. Another idea I had is to perhaps make the reveals gradually, plant seeds etc.

If you were in this situation and had to come up with a really really smart way of doing this to maximize the chances of a good outcome, what would it be?

EDIT: The motivation for these lies in the first place were prior convictions and history she could have found by googling me. They were necessary in order to be in this position in the first place, and I have used them from the start of my game career to great effect. A girl is more likely to overlook these things if deeply in love with you than on the first conversation (in short flings it doesn't matter, and I have even had LTRs that I wasn't going to marry where I kept the lies going for years). I am not so much worried about her criticizing my past convictions (a girl in love doesn't care about this), but it will be a huge shock to her my name and background were lies. That is why I need an intelligent way to make these reveals.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73252.html Thu, 23 May 2019 00:55:56 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73252.html
Ugly guys: women are repulsed, angered, they want to get away from these men, avoid them. These guys create extreme discomfort and a very strong emotional reaction overall.

Very good looking guys: oddly, when women are over-aroused, they exhibit a lot of the same behaviors and physiological responses at least superficially speaking. This is because many women are uncomfortable having a strong sexual response immediately, except in very specific situations.

In most situations: work, school, daytime chores, etc., most women want to maintain the facade that they are not feeling strong attraction towards a man. So when they are attracted, and the more strongly attracted, they harder they will fight their own physiological response.

As a result, they will often avoid very good looking men, try to get away from them, become angry, flustered, etc. I am often amused and sometimes embarrassed, seeing women lose control in all kinds of situations where I have done nothing besides show up.

What's annoying is that there are fewer restraints on women's behavior than ever. You can't tease them, you can't correct them. The best you can hope for is that their initial wave of anger blows over and then they are ready to hang out, become comfortable (enough) with you, acknowledge their own attraction until they are willing to submit sexually.

I just had to vent about this. Women are really getting more and more out of control, and it's astonishing that we don't really have any practical way of controlling them.]]>
Ugly guys: women are repulsed, angered, they want to get away from these men, avoid them. These guys create extreme discomfort and a very strong emotional reaction overall.

Very good looking guys: oddly, when women are over-aroused, they exhibit a lot of the same behaviors and physiological responses at least superficially speaking. This is because many women are uncomfortable having a strong sexual response immediately, except in very specific situations.

In most situations: work, school, daytime chores, etc., most women want to maintain the facade that they are not feeling strong attraction towards a man. So when they are attracted, and the more strongly attracted, they harder they will fight their own physiological response.

As a result, they will often avoid very good looking men, try to get away from them, become angry, flustered, etc. I am often amused and sometimes embarrassed, seeing women lose control in all kinds of situations where I have done nothing besides show up.

What's annoying is that there are fewer restraints on women's behavior than ever. You can't tease them, you can't correct them. The best you can hope for is that their initial wave of anger blows over and then they are ready to hang out, become comfortable (enough) with you, acknowledge their own attraction until they are willing to submit sexually.

I just had to vent about this. Women are really getting more and more out of control, and it's astonishing that we don't really have any practical way of controlling them.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73248.html Wed, 22 May 2019 21:12:01 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73248.html
I wouldn't say I'm completely different but I'm definitely more laid back/confident during a date/talking to a girl who shows interest compared to my normal self.

I even get more nervous/anxious during normal social interactions like networking events compared to a cold approach or a date.

Does anyone else feel like they have a gaming "persona"?]]>
I wouldn't say I'm completely different but I'm definitely more laid back/confident during a date/talking to a girl who shows interest compared to my normal self.

I even get more nervous/anxious during normal social interactions like networking events compared to a cold approach or a date.

Does anyone else feel like they have a gaming "persona"?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73245.html Wed, 22 May 2019 18:26:27 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73245.html
Often, I will be bullshitting with and getting IOI's from some young ho, but cant seem to work into asking for digits. It's more that it will mess up the vibe (fun, teasing, elderly game, I'm 50) than worried about rejection.

Im thinking something along the lines of "Panty Peelers Bedtime Stories LTD" or some other ridiculous thing like that.

I'm guessing Instagram or Facebook would be the preferred contact.

Any thoughts ? Possible credentials I could add ?

Thanks
Panty Peeler]]>
Often, I will be bullshitting with and getting IOI's from some young ho, but cant seem to work into asking for digits. It's more that it will mess up the vibe (fun, teasing, elderly game, I'm 50) than worried about rejection.

Im thinking something along the lines of "Panty Peelers Bedtime Stories LTD" or some other ridiculous thing like that.

I'm guessing Instagram or Facebook would be the preferred contact.

Any thoughts ? Possible credentials I could add ?

Thanks
Panty Peeler]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73241.html Wed, 22 May 2019 10:23:47 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73241.html
I feel like it would be a good idea to make all girls get tested before I smash. Obviously I know that AIDS isnt visible for the first 3 months and the viral load is contagious even when undetected in that first period, so the plan isn't fool proof but it definitely lowers my chances.

What do you guys think about the idea? Do you see it feasible to test the girls before the smash? How would you go about it?

I would just say I do it to all the girls with a strong frame, or say I'm a researcher or whatever. If they ask me to be tested I can tell them I do it every week or something.

Anyways, would like to hear your thoughts.]]>
I feel like it would be a good idea to make all girls get tested before I smash. Obviously I know that AIDS isnt visible for the first 3 months and the viral load is contagious even when undetected in that first period, so the plan isn't fool proof but it definitely lowers my chances.

What do you guys think about the idea? Do you see it feasible to test the girls before the smash? How would you go about it?

I would just say I do it to all the girls with a strong frame, or say I'm a researcher or whatever. If they ask me to be tested I can tell them I do it every week or something.

Anyways, would like to hear your thoughts.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73240.html Wed, 22 May 2019 06:57:14 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73240.html
thats my formula for approaching.]]>
thats my formula for approaching.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73239.html Wed, 22 May 2019 03:23:23 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73239.html
However at times I'll do an approach where the girl completely ignores me, walks away, or just looks straight ahead without acknowledging me. Although the majority of my approaches do not go like this, when it does happen it hurts me hard to the core.

Does anyone have any advice on how to mentally handle these kinds of rejections such that I can put it behind me and continue a productive daygame session when it happens.]]>
However at times I'll do an approach where the girl completely ignores me, walks away, or just looks straight ahead without acknowledging me. Although the majority of my approaches do not go like this, when it does happen it hurts me hard to the core.

Does anyone have any advice on how to mentally handle these kinds of rejections such that I can put it behind me and continue a productive daygame session when it happens.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73237.html Tue, 21 May 2019 13:05:59 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73237.html
What are some break-up do's/dont's (and worst ever stories)?

(I'll share my worst ever story, but I'll let the thread warm up first))]]>
What are some break-up do's/dont's (and worst ever stories)?

(I'll share my worst ever story, but I'll let the thread warm up first))]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73234.html Tue, 21 May 2019 11:17:36 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73234.html https://krauserpua.com/2019/02/21/blackd...onal-cuck/

Looks like the second date kiss was retarded after all.]]> https://krauserpua.com/2019/02/21/blackd...onal-cuck/

Looks like the second date kiss was retarded after all.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73233.html Mon, 20 May 2019 23:11:45 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73233.html
In the year of 2019, I am kind of surprised there is no reputable sexting or adult (hookup) site... is this true?

Don’t see why girls would pay to join the non free ones when they could go on tinder and post mostly naked pics with their landing strip showing... maybe more?

Just thinking that those super sultry girls on tinder get butt loads of matches... so... is there a site where these girls are the majority and hookups possible with good game?

Heard back in the day casual encounters was huge on Craigslist.]]>
In the year of 2019, I am kind of surprised there is no reputable sexting or adult (hookup) site... is this true?

Don’t see why girls would pay to join the non free ones when they could go on tinder and post mostly naked pics with their landing strip showing... maybe more?

Just thinking that those super sultry girls on tinder get butt loads of matches... so... is there a site where these girls are the majority and hookups possible with good game?

Heard back in the day casual encounters was huge on Craigslist.]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73230.html Mon, 20 May 2019 17:32:44 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73230.html
We exchanged #s at the bar and I didn't engage with her last week as I had a crazy week with deadlines for my job, and then I was heading out of town this past weekend. While out of town Saturday night, she randomly hits me up with small talk "Hey" "WYD tonight? Me and my girl are going back to that bar...." etc etc.

I told her we could catch up tonight (Monday) and she was non-comittal. It dawned on me that aside from the short convo at the bar, we haven't once spoken. I banged one brazilian girl who spoke English as her second language a year and a half ago who I never spoke to on the phone. That was great while it lasted haha]]>
We exchanged #s at the bar and I didn't engage with her last week as I had a crazy week with deadlines for my job, and then I was heading out of town this past weekend. While out of town Saturday night, she randomly hits me up with small talk "Hey" "WYD tonight? Me and my girl are going back to that bar...." etc etc.

I told her we could catch up tonight (Monday) and she was non-comittal. It dawned on me that aside from the short convo at the bar, we haven't once spoken. I banged one brazilian girl who spoke English as her second language a year and a half ago who I never spoke to on the phone. That was great while it lasted haha]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73228.html Mon, 20 May 2019 11:11:25 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73228.html
1. What were some of your best/funnest experiences in a University club?

2. How would you leverage having influence on club activities into a good experience for all, and surround yourself with opportunities for plates.

I’m an older non traditional student (vet). Want to genuinely make this year epic for the club, but also intrigued and hoping to capitalize on extreme luck of ending up here. I’m thinking joint club events? Go help out international students club?]]>
1. What were some of your best/funnest experiences in a University club?

2. How would you leverage having influence on club activities into a good experience for all, and surround yourself with opportunities for plates.

I’m an older non traditional student (vet). Want to genuinely make this year epic for the club, but also intrigued and hoping to capitalize on extreme luck of ending up here. I’m thinking joint club events? Go help out international students club?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73224.html Mon, 20 May 2019 00:43:20 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73224.html
I broke up with my LTR back in Feb and spent the last three months focusing on myself -- fitness, meditation, reading, working on my job, spending time with family and friends. I recently got an injury doing BJJ and found myself with tons of free time, so I ended up back on Tinder out of a lack of anything better to do.

Over three weeks I've matched with ~400 girls (great rate IMO), probably got ~20 numbers, and gone on a grand total of two dates. To me this seems like a really low conversion and I'm wondering whether this is usual. I'm not sure if anyone else gets a ton of matches like this and then gets extreme flakiness when pushing for the meeting.

What's even weirder is that a ton of these girls will show a lot of initial interest. Super liking me, messaging me first, straight up complementing me. I had a girl straight up tell me that I was hot and that she wanted something casual with me and then ghosted (???).

I do have one more date scheduled for Wednesday. In three weeks of Tinder I have one hookup with a 6/10 Asian girl, fingered her through her panties in the outdoors. I'm pretty confused about this result...it's honestly really weird that I've gotten this much initial interest and this low of a return.

Is this kind of a hit rate typical for Tinder?]]>
I broke up with my LTR back in Feb and spent the last three months focusing on myself -- fitness, meditation, reading, working on my job, spending time with family and friends. I recently got an injury doing BJJ and found myself with tons of free time, so I ended up back on Tinder out of a lack of anything better to do.

Over three weeks I've matched with ~400 girls (great rate IMO), probably got ~20 numbers, and gone on a grand total of two dates. To me this seems like a really low conversion and I'm wondering whether this is usual. I'm not sure if anyone else gets a ton of matches like this and then gets extreme flakiness when pushing for the meeting.

What's even weirder is that a ton of these girls will show a lot of initial interest. Super liking me, messaging me first, straight up complementing me. I had a girl straight up tell me that I was hot and that she wanted something casual with me and then ghosted (???).

I do have one more date scheduled for Wednesday. In three weeks of Tinder I have one hookup with a 6/10 Asian girl, fingered her through her panties in the outdoors. I'm pretty confused about this result...it's honestly really weird that I've gotten this much initial interest and this low of a return.

Is this kind of a hit rate typical for Tinder?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73222.html Sun, 19 May 2019 18:26:59 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73222.html https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73220.html Sun, 19 May 2019 14:42:56 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73220.html
Hear me out on this: so I found this EE girl who ticks all my checkboxes: cooks for me, similar personality, getting along really well, family-oriented, no social-media presence, great sex etc.

I did some dumb mistakes in this LTR because of my limited experience and she broke up with me.

How do you guys get over a potential wife material LTR knowing that it's your fault for breaking up? Should I keep contact with her or delete everything?

I'm trying to find a fault in her for 2 months since we broke up but I cannot find anything(basically I need to hate her to get over her). I feel I am slipping into depression and this is damaging my career and health.

By the way, my objective is to find a good girl to marry and not SNLs. Thanks]]>
Hear me out on this: so I found this EE girl who ticks all my checkboxes: cooks for me, similar personality, getting along really well, family-oriented, no social-media presence, great sex etc.

I did some dumb mistakes in this LTR because of my limited experience and she broke up with me.

How do you guys get over a potential wife material LTR knowing that it's your fault for breaking up? Should I keep contact with her or delete everything?

I'm trying to find a fault in her for 2 months since we broke up but I cannot find anything(basically I need to hate her to get over her). I feel I am slipping into depression and this is damaging my career and health.

By the way, my objective is to find a good girl to marry and not SNLs. Thanks]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73219.html Sat, 18 May 2019 22:19:33 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73219.html
I'm open to free or paid for guides.

I live in a desirable part of NYC, have a roof top, and a DSLR. I feel like I should be able to figure this out.

It's not as simple as just messaging hot girls and telling them you have a photography set up. I've tried that. Or maybe I need to try harder. I dunno - this is where a guide could come in handy.

Ideally, this sort of guide would help someone do this in their free time - I can't quit my job to become a photographer.

I did a quick search through the forums and did not find what I'm looking for. These threads that I found talk about the type of equipment to get, which is useful, but I'm more interested in how to approach photography as a business/hobby that will get me laid, and the strategies I need to use to do that.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-67460...photograph
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-61963...photograph
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62705...photograph

Examples of questions I have:
1) Should I try to bang clients? Some advice I've found seems to think that I should try to befriend clients and bang their friends or friends of friends (friends of models tend to be hot). If you do bang clients, seems like you could get a reputation as an asshole/creep.
2) How do I get clients? Should I try to do it in person (sorta like day game), or just spam hot girls on IG?
3) Is it bad to take photographs of girls I'm dating and post them (with their permission) on my photographer IG account? Seems like it could backfire on me if my business photographer IG account turns into a wall of shame. The one chick who did a shoot with me so far was a girl I already banged. I haven't posted her yet though, even though she said I could.
4) Given that my goal is just to sleep with hotter girls, what sort of photography should I do? Fashion photography, portrait photography, etc. All of it?]]>
I'm open to free or paid for guides.

I live in a desirable part of NYC, have a roof top, and a DSLR. I feel like I should be able to figure this out.

It's not as simple as just messaging hot girls and telling them you have a photography set up. I've tried that. Or maybe I need to try harder. I dunno - this is where a guide could come in handy.

Ideally, this sort of guide would help someone do this in their free time - I can't quit my job to become a photographer.

I did a quick search through the forums and did not find what I'm looking for. These threads that I found talk about the type of equipment to get, which is useful, but I'm more interested in how to approach photography as a business/hobby that will get me laid, and the strategies I need to use to do that.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-67460...photograph
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-61963...photograph
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62705...photograph

Examples of questions I have:
1) Should I try to bang clients? Some advice I've found seems to think that I should try to befriend clients and bang their friends or friends of friends (friends of models tend to be hot). If you do bang clients, seems like you could get a reputation as an asshole/creep.
2) How do I get clients? Should I try to do it in person (sorta like day game), or just spam hot girls on IG?
3) Is it bad to take photographs of girls I'm dating and post them (with their permission) on my photographer IG account? Seems like it could backfire on me if my business photographer IG account turns into a wall of shame. The one chick who did a shoot with me so far was a girl I already banged. I haven't posted her yet though, even though she said I could.
4) Given that my goal is just to sleep with hotter girls, what sort of photography should I do? Fashion photography, portrait photography, etc. All of it?]]> https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73218.html Sat, 18 May 2019 19:09:26 -0400 https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73218.html
I'm in a second tear major metro in the south (United States) and willing to dedicate 8 solid hours on Saturdays for day game.

However, I am having trouble working out the kinks of how to do this.

I see many girls out and about during the day but they are in groups which Roosh says is a zero sum game.

Some are alone but I only find these when I do stakeouts at coffee shops.

I figure going to wholefoods/clothes/bookstores every week could suffice but something there is a more effective way to do this.

Any experienced players have any thoughts on this? If this was your goal how would you do it?]]>
I'm in a second tear major metro in the south (United States) and willing to dedicate 8 solid hours on Saturdays for day game.

However, I am having trouble working out the kinks of how to do this.

I see many girls out and about during the day but they are in groups which Roosh says is a zero sum game.

Some are alone but I only find these when I do stakeouts at coffee shops.

I figure going to wholefoods/clothes/bookstores every week could suffice but something there is a more effective way to do this.

Any experienced players have any thoughts on this? If this was your goal how would you do it?]]>