Post: #26

(02-11-2015 08:48 PM)monster Wrote:  I think when they have kids.

Instead of seeking pleasure and validation, they turn much of that drive toward maintaining their children, and that becomes their "higher purpose."

This isn't applicable to trashy people who produce kid after kid, but your regular middle class girl from a decent family.

I know a couple who married about 25 years ago. They were both very churchy, met at church in fact. She had 4 children, from 4 different men, all born out of wedlock. But she was all "Praise the Lord"! and was a newly virtuous woman. This couple had two kids of their own.

Fast forward to today. Divorced. She used the guy's moderate earning power to raise all of the kids, and then promptly became unmanageable and unreasonable. The guy is sad about it.

I think he is lucky to be rid of her. Like most modern men, he doesn't realize that he has SMV while she has none.

Post: #27

I don't think so and wouldn't want to be the one trying to reform them.

Post: #28

(02-11-2015 09:24 PM)kmhour Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 09:00 PM)monster Wrote:  this isn't a fault or flaw of women though. Having children & raising them is a woman's biological imperative.

sure, having children is a biological imperative. but it isn't related to what I said. the original question was "can a slut be reformed?" I would argue that the process of wifing up a slut might provide her with incentive to reform temporarily, but once her biological imperative has been resolved, her loyalty shifts, and the economic incentives have swung dramatically, her prior habits are more relevant than ever.

Not necessarily I don't think. It's all about - to borrow napoleon hill's phrase -"transmutation of sex drive." She's a slut because she has a high sex drive and seeks validation. Children replace that. There are other replacements too - career can be a substitute too, politics for a few, etc etc. These are a lot less common than becoming a mother, but also can become the focus after the children have grown.

The other thing is a diminishment of sex drive for a variety of reasons too.

So a slut cannot necessarily become "reformed" as opposed to focusing her sex energies on something other than sex.

I think the same is true for men too...check out the no fap threads. It comes down to "transmutation of sex drive." This is very hard mind you because sex is a very primal drive that's very easy to yield to.

As far as loyalty - who cares over an extended period of time? I think it's entirely reasonable to expect loyalty for a number of years (say 5-10) to raise a child, etc. But after that humans biologically aren't really supposed to stay loyal. "Loyalty" is an entirely human construct once it's considered over the very long term, i.e. lifetime partners or that true love who'll die with you.

I may be way off-base though, who knows?

Post: #29

(02-11-2015 10:42 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  I know a couple who married about 25 years ago. They were both very churchy, met at church in fact. She had 4 children, from 4 different men, all born out of wedlock. But she was all "Praise the Lord"! and was a newly virtuous woman. This couple had two kids of their own.

Fast forward to today. Divorced. She used the guy's moderate earning power to raise all of the kids, and then promptly became unmanageable and unreasonable. The guy is sad about it.

I think he is lucky to be rid of her. Like most modern men, he doesn't realize that he has SMV while she has none.

Yep, well if they're evangelical they're severely damaged anyway, so the normal rules don't apply

Post: #30

(02-11-2015 10:27 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  So what's a guy to do if he wants an LTR with a quasi-virginal woman these day? Date younger girls. Date FOB girls. Take a trip and date foreign girls. After dating American girls for a while you'll be able to pick out if a foreign girl is a ho with ease. It'll be like a flashing neon sign on her forehead.

Do you guys seriously want this?

These women are terrible in bed. I have been with a few FOB inexperienced Asian girls and they are the absolute worst. No skills and not enough experience to appreciate my skills.

My bedroom is no place for rookies. Especially if they expect to fuck me more than a few times before I get bored.

Anyway I think a true "slut" is actually a pretty rare thing. A girl who has fucked more than like 50 guys is extremely rare. I would guess that only like 25% of American women these days have fucked 30 or so men before age 30. Most have fucked fewer...Maybe half that. I don't have a problem with that. So what.

I'm more concerned about the number of fucked up relationships she has been in before trying a LTR with one of these ladies.

Post: #31

No. When a woman has a high notch count it's an outward sign that she doesn't value herself. So how can you value her?

Post: #32

No. Unless you want to dedicate enormous amounts of time, energy and effort into increasing the possibility of keeping her "reformed"... and if your whole life revolves around keeping her reformed, what does that say about you as a man?

Invest in reforming a slut....make your life revolve around keeping her sluttiness at bay...slut loses attraction for you...slut sluts.

Kinda paradoxical, no?

As a thought experiment, even if you managed to club one over the head and drag her back to your cave where she's isolated from all of humanity for the rest of her life, you couldnt really control her mind could you?
For girls, the emotional cheating usually comes before the physical manifestation of it. If a girl is cheating emotionally on you, whats to stop her from going at it with a horse or whatever inanimate object you leave in your cave when you sleep or go hunt for grub?

TL;DR - Not really

Post: #33

When hard times hit, the reformed slut will go back to her old ways with lightning speed. She will be fucking the appliance repair man, the auto mechanic or yoga instructor. Think Last American Virgin pizza delivery scene.

Post: #34

Ask Kanye West.

Post: #35

I think it's like asking if you can win the lottery. Yes, it's technically possible, but I would never bet on it.

Post: #36

Not totally

What needs to be understood is that to sink to the level of being labeled as such, a woman would've had to defiantly reject what was otherwise expected of her in society. To truly be a slut in the full sense of the word, she has forsaken any moral compass and now lives by her own rules.

Real sluts have gone off the grid socially, the ones I know are proud because they no longer actively seek the "dream", instead their power lies in being able to sex men 1-10 on the desirability scale.

When a woman no longer feels her charm is enough to keep a good man, she knows she can resort to opening her legs.

Is such a situationally disciplined person worth reforming?

Post: #37

When a slut knows she's a slut and wants to be fucked like one is one you won't forget
Try and reform her is anathema to her nature

Post: #38

Sure..go ahead, believe all the bullshit she is spewing at you.

About how shes changed. How that part of her life is way behind her.

How shes ready to start the next stage of her life with the right person.

Do you honestly think a slut is capable of rewiring her brain into new behavior tendencies while erasing her "old" ones?

Its like when you take a brand new piece of tin foil. Its smooth, no creases, all flush. Then you compress it into a ball. Whats the chances you can un-crumple it until its flat and identical to its original form?

Yea shes changed alright. Shes changed until the next alpha comes along, looks the right way, says the right things, and she jumps ship faster than a Somali pirate.

If you know shes a ho, dont engage, your wasting your affection on the equivalent of a bottom feeder in the ocean.

Paradoxically, its the slut than turns me on the most. Its the slut that Im most attracted to. A red flagged filled brod, crazy tats, tongue ring, all that kind of stuff is what Im most attracted to. Dont fall into the same trap as me and attempt to date one, you will be left feeling like an idiot that you even considered wasting your affection on a person that has her finger on the bounce button at any given notice.

Post: #39

J.cole said it best . "Dont save her.....she dont wanna be saved"

Post: #40

In 99% of cases the answer is no. Furthermore, it is a grave mistake to equate the term "slut" with "cock riding" and "high number of partners". A woman can very well be undeserving of commitment while having a very low number of partners or even being a virgin.

Post: #41

I hesitate to even say that there is even a small percentage of women who can change because some guys cling to this chance like a life preserver.

Think of it this way- There is only a very small percentage of women who could change, a smaller percentage that want to, and an even smaller chance that the change will be everlasting.

Are those the kind of odds you want to bank your own future on?

There are already HUGE risks involved with LTR's with high value women/ good girls.

Do you want to take those risks with a women who already describe as a slut?

Post: #42

A slut can be reformed...by the Wall.

Post: #43

The problem with the definition of slut is even around here:

- notch count of 3 to 30 - some men even here claim that 3 is too much, while others are fine with 30
- for some crazy ones a notch count of 1 is making her a slut

No gentlemen - while a major notch-count can make a girl a slut, some empowered feminist virgins can be raging sluts even with a notch-count of zero, if they have been taking it in the butt and mouth for years. And even if they did not and they fantasize non-stop about it, then they might re-live that experience years later after the wedding.

To me slut tells are:

- high testosterone
- high sex drive coupled with eyes looking at other men, thinking about hawt guys etc., girls nights out
- high notch-count too - that can be 5 or it can be in some cases 20

This one is the biggest deal-breaker - Her AGE.

What I mean by that is that if a slut realizes her errors and stops being a slut in her fucking prime between 18-22, then she is credible. I have met such a girl in EE. They are rare, but they exist - she was a 21yo 8 and cute as a button - she told me that she is engaged and is getting married to some local young Christian leader. I would still be cautious with her, but she was boner-enducing enough, so that most men would go for it. Also she gives you her hottest years in marriage.

For any other girls 24+ who stop being sluts after her looks are waning - well that's bullshit. I have even heard that "reformed crap" by women who became 29/30 and then claimed they "matured" - no missy - your face got matured.

Also another point - it's impossible to reform a slut yourself! She has to want and do it herself while being 18-22. Fat chance that the empowered sluts will do that:

Post: #44

I suppose its the same as HIV, can it be cured at some point in the future? probably but why risk it.

Post: #45

(02-12-2015 05:20 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Also another point - it's impossible to reform a slut yourself! She has to want and do it herself while being 18-22. Fat chance that the empowered sluts will do that:

That's prettymuch what I was getting at, if women in theory or practice are even capable of that sort of self-change for any reason other than absolute necessity (the wall).

Seems like the consensus here is technically yes, but it's the proverbial needle in the haystack. Pretty inclined to agree.

Lot of interesting posts here, though I'm not sure why some of you were so quick to assume I'm personally questing to repair damaged goods or something. Do I seem that fucking stupid? Sheesh.

Post: #46

I'm sure they probably can.

But why would you want to?

Post: #47

Post: #48

Sluts don't reform; they put on an act so they can get some dummy to marry them.

The odds of getting a slut to change her ways are lower than finding a virgin. They're that bad, so you may as well find a virgin even though that's a difficult task (not so much in other countries I hear).

Post: #49

If she's wasted the currency of her youth on many many men, then you should not waste a second on trying to "reform" her

Post: #50

I doubt it. A chick who was ever a slut is damaged goods, in my eyes. Let's say you find a hot
sexy, respectable, feminine woman, but turns out she was a Slut. It's like having a badass sports car with 200k + miles; you'll get nods of approval, but deep down I'd know the damn thing is about to fall apart.