Post: #26

I like this "Not NBA" Michael Jordan guy so much that I will actually forgive them for making the human torch black. He was awesome in Friday Night Lights. I liked his character in the Wire and also enjoyed him in Chronicle. Normally I would gripe at something like this, but I will make exceptions for actors I do like.

And Moses wasn't Egyptian, he was Jewish

Post: #27

(01-28-2015 05:48 AM)Suits Wrote:  Is this really going to ruin the movie for you?

Yes, it will ruin the movie for me. Why don't we just cast a re-make of "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and make the slaves all Asian and the owner and slave drivers Black?

Post: #28

(01-28-2015 09:08 AM)Goldfinger Wrote:  Like Dad said, shouldn't we be more outraged at the Ghostbusters complete gender change.

If you don't care about this change, then why should you care about that change? It's just a movie, right?

Might as well change all established popular characters into fat gay trannies with PTSD.

Post: #29

Time to remake Schindler's List, but this time have the Germans played by Israelis and the Jews played by Palestinians.

Post: #30

Yeah, I grew up reading comic books with all these DC and Marvel characters as white, too.

And I'm an old fuck who read them when Jim Crow was still active in the USA.

All of the classic comic heros date from a different time, the 30s to the early 60s, and they were all drawn white. The Human Torch dates from 1961.

The only black comic character I remember from my childhood was that black guy with the bugle from Sgt. Fury's Howling Commandos.

It was a big fucking thing when there was a show on TV starring a black woman playing a nurse, Diahann Carroll in Julia in 1968.

We white people have Superman, Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, The Hulk, Thor, The Wolverine, Green Lantern and Green Hornet, Wonder Woman, The Flash, etc. Surely we can throw a few of the legacy characters to the brothers?

You young guys have no idea what the world was like back then. It was like black people were invisible on media.

Post: #31

Who really cares if the actor is black, or not?

As long he kicks ass...

Same goes for that Exodus film with Christian Bale. The movie sucks ass, Christian Bale or not.

Post: #32

(01-28-2015 09:32 AM)JustlookingForAGoodTime Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 05:48 AM)Suits Wrote:  Is this really going to ruin the movie for you?

Yes, it will ruin the movie for me. Why don't we just cast a re-make of "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and make the slaves all Asian and the owner and slave drivers Black?

I would watch that movie. It would let the movie makers tell the story without being afraid of people being offended.

Post: #33

(01-28-2015 10:06 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Yeah, I grew up reading comic books with all these DC and Marvel characters as white, too.

And I'm an old fuck who read them when Jim Crow was still active in the USA.

All of the classic comic heros date from a different time, the 30s to the early 60s, and they were all drawn white. The Human Torch dates from 1961.

The only black comic character I remember from my childhood was that black guy with the bugle from Sgt. Fury's Howling Commandos.

It was a big fucking thing when there was a show on TV starring a black woman playing a nurse, Diahann Carroll in Julia in 1968.

We white people have Superman, Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, The Hulk, Thor, The Wolverine, Green Lantern and Green Hornet, Wonder Woman, The Flash, etc. Surely we can throw a few of the legacy characters to the brothers?

You young guys have no idea what the world was like back then. It was like black people were invisible on media.

Off the top of my head: War Machine, Blade, Barracuda (one of the baddest Punisher villains of all time), Bishop, Spawn, Storm, Black Panther and Luke Cage are all black and awesome. Although Storm's always been kind of annoying.

Instead of changing a historically white character into a black one, they could make new movies with any of those characters or just rebooted some. Blade was one of the best comic book movies ever made.

The biggest problem, in my opinion, is hypocrisy. Do you know what would happen if some moron in Hollywood tried to remake Blade with a white actor instead of a black one? That shit would not stand. The SJWs would freak the hell out and destroy anyone involved in that project. Meanwhile, they encourage people to change white characters into minorities and any pushback is "racist."

Post: #34

I think some people here are missing the point.

There is nothing wrong with changing stories or recasting characters per se.

It becomes a problem when its due to blatant political propaganda. When you have to put up with that shit being stuffed down your throat. When you cant just enjoy a story, everything has to be a "teachable moment"

I for one am just dam tired of things that make no sense to the story, the historical background, biology or hell, even the laws of physics. All in the name of political indoctrination.

Tired of the idea that I need to be politically reeducated for my own good.

If the story calls for it, or there is a particular actor that would make a great version of some character but is the wrong race/gender/etc or if someone wants to try something different for fun then no problem.

The problem is when it gets preachy.

Post: #35

as Sp5 said he got superheroes from a different time. I mean yeah Black Panther did come in the 60s and there were no black superheroes before him. Some came out when Blaxploitation were popular. While others came at a time when every comic was trying to be like the Watchmen and failed miserably.

Post: #36

I agree with Sp5. If you know your comics, they have been doing this loooong before all these modern movies. There is a black Green Lantern for example.

I actually have hundreds of Fantastic Four in bins in my house. It's one of my favorites and I have rare ones.

I kinda prefer a white Johnny Storm, just due to the Cali Surfer guy vibe he is supposed to have and I am not sure a black dude can pull that off very well. Maybe he can, but I need to see if first. Doesn't matter though. Chances are the movie will suck anyway. It's not like you are going to see serious arcs being done in any of these movies. They just constant reboot the shit out of these like Spiderman. No silver surfer cross arcs, I doubt they will do Galactus, I doubt they will show Franklin Richards altering reality having powers 1000's of times stronger than any mutant. They may make 10 FF movies and Franklin may not ever go past the age of newborn.

For me, as a former hardcore fan of the comic, I say meh.

Post: #37

(01-28-2015 10:06 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Yeah, I grew up reading comic books with all these DC and Marvel characters as white, too.

And I'm an old fuck who read them when Jim Crow was still active in the USA.

All of the classic comic heros date from a different time, the 30s to the early 60s, and they were all drawn white. The Human Torch dates from 1961.

The only black comic character I remember from my childhood was that black guy with the bugle from Sgt. Fury's Howling Commandos.

It was a big fucking thing when there was a show on TV starring a black woman playing a nurse, Diahann Carroll in Julia in 1968.

We white people have Superman, Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, The Hulk, Thor, The Wolverine, Green Lantern and Green Hornet, Wonder Woman, The Flash, etc. Surely we can throw a few of the legacy characters to the brothers?

You young guys have no idea what the world was like back then. It was like black people were invisible on media.

Actually they made Captain America black.

Post: #38

I could see being annoyed by the change if the source material was very near and dear to you, and if the race was somehow a fundamental part of the character. For example if the character was a backwoods farm boy from Idaho and they turned him into a street hustler from the Bronx. I remember people getting pissed off that Tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves were playing samurais, along the same lines.

Other than that, I don't really give a shit what race he is, as long as he's a good actor. Like someone else said, there probably aren't too many non-white superheroes floating around in the first place, so they've got to make some changes if you don't want every movie being completely white.

Although being the brother of the girl does make this unnecessarily complicated

Post: #39

(01-28-2015 11:37 AM)Seamus Wrote:  I could see being annoyed by the change if the source material was very near and dear to you, and if the race was somehow a fundamental part of the character. For example if the character was a backwoods farm boy from Idaho and they turned him into a street hustler from the Bronx. I remember people getting pissed off that Tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves were playing samurais, along the same lines.

Other than that, I don't really give a shit what race he is, as long as he's a good actor. Like someone else said, there probably aren't too many non-white superheroes floating around in the first place, so they've got to make some changes if you don't want every movie being completely white.

Although being the brother of the girl does make this unnecessarily complicated

It's being done for the typical political and financial reasons: trolling white comic nerds (who are like gamers in that it's acceptable for SJWs to shit on them) and to generate controversy/publicity.

They could've included some of the characters I mentioned above in the movie (which could lead to a standalone movie for them depending on how well the movie does) or made up a new black hero but they didn't.

It's all about race-trolling. You make a change like this, wait for traditionalists to object and then tar them with slurs and act as if this is proof that your absurd SJW worldview is correct. As much as I love Idris Elba, they're going to do the same exact thing with James Bond and no one stops for a moment to ask why.

It's actually more of an insult to black people, in my opinion, to just turn a white character black as if black characters who started off black to begin with aren't good enough. I would be interested to see Aaron McGruder's opinion on this.

Anyway, if this were a long-established black character being turned white the SJWs would be screaming about institutional racism, white-washing and cultural appropriation but since it's in the reverse it's tolerant and progressive.

This is one big con job that benefits them no matter which way you slice it.

Racial controversies = publicity and potentially big money

Post: #40

(01-28-2015 11:20 AM)DChambers Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 10:06 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Yeah, I grew up reading comic books with all these DC and Marvel characters as white, too.

And I'm an old fuck who read them when Jim Crow was still active in the USA.

All of the classic comic heros date from a different time, the 30s to the early 60s, and they were all drawn white. The Human Torch dates from 1961.

The only black comic character I remember from my childhood was that black guy with the bugle from Sgt. Fury's Howling Commandos.

It was a big fucking thing when there was a show on TV starring a black woman playing a nurse, Diahann Carroll in Julia in 1968.

We white people have Superman, Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, The Hulk, Thor, The Wolverine, Green Lantern and Green Hornet, Wonder Woman, The Flash, etc. Surely we can throw a few of the legacy characters to the brothers?

You young guys have no idea what the world was like back then. It was like black people were invisible on media.

Actually they made Captain America black.

they didnt actually turn steve rogers black though, the falcon took up the reins of being captain america there is a difference

Post: #41

As Kevin Smith wrote in Tough Shit:
"Any publicity is good publicity."

Post: #42

If this really bothers you, then you clearly have a race problem. I saw the trailer and I didn't think nothing of it. Race didn't even cross my mind when watching that trailer. This is pure race-baiting.

So some of you guys are not going to watch it because the guy is black? Shows how narrow-minded some of you guys are. This is the type of thread you will find in Stormfront.

Post: #43

(01-28-2015 05:50 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 05:45 AM)Brian Shima Wrote:  you care a lot about race issues in the US for someone who is not even from the country

That movie will be shown worldwide, not only in America.

And? You have prominent Black American icons like Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Jamie Fox, and Eddie Murphy who are known and popular worldwide. What's your point?

Post: #44

delete

Post: #45

I wonder how many of the guys here who support the switching of characters races are against the switching of the genders as seen over on the Ghostbusters thread: /thread-41162.html

Isn't a bit hypocritical to support one but be against the other? I doubt anyone on this forum is going to see the next Ghostbusters for the reason that they switched the genders. So why does it make you a Stormfronter Nazi if you are opposed to switching of the characters races?

Post: #46

(01-28-2015 12:03 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  I wonder how many of the guys here who support the switching of characters races are against the switching of the genders as seen over on the Ghostbusters thread: /thread-41162.html

Isn't a bit hypocritical to support one but be against the other? I doubt anyone on this forum is going to see the next Ghostbusters for the reason that they switched the genders. So why does it make you a Stormfronter Nazi if you are opposed to switching of the characters races?

Can you imagine the forum response if someone in that thread seriously posted "if this really bothers you, then you clearly have a misogyny problem"?

It bothers people because they're messing with a character that has been that way for a longtime because of obvious political and financial reasons just so their supposed SJW betters can insult, shame and scold them for objecting.

Is it all that significant in the scheme of things? Not really, but it's just another example of the culture war bullshit they've started and their underhanded tactics are always worth exposing so people recognize them for what they are.

Post: #47

(01-28-2015 12:13 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 12:03 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  I wonder how many of the guys here who support the switching of characters races are against the switching of the genders as seen over on the Ghostbusters thread: /thread-41162.html

Isn't a bit hypocritical to support one but be against the other? I doubt anyone on this forum is going to see the next Ghostbusters for the reason that they switched the genders. So why does it make you a Stormfronter Nazi if you are opposed to switching of the characters races?

Can you imagine the forum response if someone in that thread seriously posted "if this really bothers you, then you clearly have a misogyny problem"?

I'm annoyed by the ghostbusters thing but not by this. I simply believe gender is much more fundamental to a character's essence than race is. The differences in outlook, behavior, etcetera between men and women is vastly greater than between guys of difference races, generally speaking. As a white man, interacting with a black guy is almost identical to interacting with a white guy, whereas interacting with a woman is something else entirely.

Post: #48

@Wastelander and Reactionary tree

We're obviously talking about men here, you guys know this. Its not like this actor is a woman. Its just a Black dude. Equating the two is a false equivalency.

Post: #49

TBH they should just rename the movie and teams if they are going to change the race/gender of characters. Basically is it is a black James Bond..it isn't James Bond(my wife thinks blond bond isn't bond either). But it is Hollywood trying to capitalize on the old familiar.

It is about money NOT pc. Blacks like movies with violence and are a good audience. I do see them losing the Senior citizens though.

Post: #50

(01-28-2015 12:23 PM)MidWest Wrote:  @Wastelander and Reactionary tree

We're obviously talking about men here, you guys know this. Its not like this actor is a woman. Its just a Black dude. Equating the two is a false equivalency.

You're missing the forest for the trees and I don't think you really know what's going on. It is not exactly the same, obviously, but it is done for the same reasons by the same people.

Go Google some clickbait articles on this and pay attention to the comments. Traditionalist fans are voicing concerns and SJWs are having a field day insulting them, just like they did with gamers who object to their bullshit.

The SJW movement in comics is a big thing now. They turned Thor into a woman and implied all sorts of nasty shit about anyone who disagreed with that.

And being annoyed by changes like these doesn't mean someone's racist or misogynistic. They could also just be tired of their bullshit, like I am.