Post: #351

(09-04-2014 02:42 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:36 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:28 AM)TonyManero Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:00 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 11:55 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  An average of an 8 every 4 - 6 weeks i.e Around 8 Girls per year isn't baller status. It's absolute garbage; especially considering the workload required to achieve this number of women.

Rush87,
We're not making any mental masturbations about opportunity.
We can only really measure a city's status for a single man based on:
A) the amount of notches
B) the quality of notches
C) the amount he has spent to get each notch.

The rest is rust and stardust.

You say you bed a new 8 every 4-6 weeks.
http://i.imgur.com/EsOwgTg.jpg

You're either the following:
1. Mentally masturbating
2. Deeply confused
3. Baller status i.e. top 2% of males

I think most people would agree that for a man to get an 8 every month in Australia, he'd have to represent top 2% of the male population.

Confirm or deny.

the 7's in that list looks hideous.. and the 8's look average.. even the 9's in that list look normal to me, nothing to tell back home..I dont know who made that awful list.

I know. Unfortunately, it's made by someone in the anglosphere.

For me, in central europe, it would be a shame to date anything below a 7 in that list... but I need to give some kind of contextual reading or relative depth of translation to those in the anglosphere.

It's so hard to use a ratings scale on a global basis, and people's preferences obviously are very different, but if that scale is to be believed then every girl I've banged in Russia and Ukraine the past year is an 8+. But I don't think they are - maybe just in comparison to Anglosphere chicks. One of my biggest problems here is that I seem to get nowhere with 8+s and it's killing me.

@Rush - saying you're banging an 8 every month sounds dubious and I think that you need to clarify that statement. There's a lot of 'grade inflation' on this forum especially with regards to Anglosphere women. I've never been in Australia but back home in the US 8.5+s are VERY rare, you almost never see them, and 9s are pretty much like supermodels mostly. People would be regularly wifing up high 7s in the US at least in most upper middle class social circles from what I'm familiar with.

Banging 8s constantly would even be tough to do here in EE unless you were at the top of your game, some kind of nightclub host and/or a major sponsor. I'm sure as hell not doing it.

Post what do you consider an 8.

Post: #352

(09-04-2014 02:45 AM)TonyManero Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 02:42 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:36 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:28 AM)TonyManero Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:00 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  Rush87,
We're not making any mental masturbations about opportunity.
We can only really measure a city's status for a single man based on:
A) the amount of notches
B) the quality of notches
C) the amount he has spent to get each notch.

The rest is rust and stardust.

You say you bed a new 8 every 4-6 weeks.
http://i.imgur.com/EsOwgTg.jpg

You're either the following:
1. Mentally masturbating
2. Deeply confused
3. Baller status i.e. top 2% of males

I think most people would agree that for a man to get an 8 every month in Australia, he'd have to represent top 2% of the male population.

Confirm or deny.

the 7's in that list looks hideous.. and the 8's look average.. even the 9's in that list look normal to me, nothing to tell back home..I dont know who made that awful list.

I know. Unfortunately, it's made by someone in the anglosphere.

For me, in central europe, it would be a shame to date anything below a 7 in that list... but I need to give some kind of contextual reading or relative depth of translation to those in the anglosphere.

It's so hard to use a ratings scale on a global basis, and people's preferences obviously are very different, but if that scale is to be believed then every girl I've banged in Russia and Ukraine the past year is an 8+. But I don't think they are - maybe just in comparison to Anglosphere chicks. One of my biggest problems here is that I seem to get nowhere with 8+s and it's killing me.

@Rush - saying you're banging an 8 every month sounds dubious and I think that you need to clarify that statement. There's a lot of 'grade inflation' on this forum especially with regards to Anglosphere women. I've never been in Australia but back home in the US 8.5+s are VERY rare, you almost never see them, and 9s are pretty much like supermodels mostly. People would be regularly wifing up high 7s in the US at least in most upper middle class social circles from what I'm familiar with.

Banging 8s constantly would even be tough to do here in EE unless you were at the top of your game, some kind of nightclub host and/or a major sponsor. I'm sure as hell not doing it.

Post what do you consider an 8.

I'll let Rush87 tackle that first before I derail the thread anymore, but suffice it to say that I'm much more of a 'body' guy so I put extra value on a tight ass, nice figure etc and can live with pretty but not striking facial features. It's so subjective really.

I will say that bc I'm such a 'body guy' and pretty much all the women here in Ukraine/Russia have much better & tighter bodies than the fatties back home, that that alone ups them by multiple notches typically. I'd assume in Australia, like in the US, most girls are carrying at least 10-20 extra pounds on them after say age 15.

Post: #353

The average woman in Australia is 160cm tall, 76kg, so they're carrying around 20-25kg extra, or 45lb-60lb average.

Post: #354

(09-04-2014 03:31 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  The average woman in Australia is 160cm tall, 76kg, so they're carrying around 20-25kg extra, or 45lb-60lb average.

No, the average female is 165 cm aka 5'5.

Post: #355

(09-04-2014 03:31 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  The average woman in Australia is 160cm tall, 76kg, so they're carrying around 20-25kg extra, or 45lb-60lb average.

Holy sh*t 45-60 lbs? That's almost unbelievable. So half are technically obese?

It's funny but if you randomly search on one of the online dating sites in Ukraine you are unlikely to find many girls above 60kg. Most are in the 50-55kgr range, with many right around the 50kg zone.

Seems that land whales predominate Down Under - just like they do in the USA. Ughhh.

Post: #356

(09-04-2014 02:42 AM)Akula Wrote:  @Rush87 - saying you're banging an 8 every 4-6 weeks sounds dubious and I think that you need to clarify that statement. To me that would mean one would be at the top of his game I think. There's a lot of 'grade inflation' on this forum especially with regards to Anglosphere women.

The statement served the purpose of clarifying the incorrect notion that I was 'pulling' 9's & 10's regularly.

I previously posted a data sheet & Sydney outlining the relatively dire nature of the city. The 4-6 week number is current [I.E Last two years] - It hasn't been constant over the past ten.

In my data sheet I also noted that to keep regular numbers like this in Sydney, you need to take advantage of the large number of women studying/visiting from other countries.

I wouldn't disagree for one second that regularly pulling Australian 8's & 9's is virtually impossible [Unless of course you're 95-100kg very lean & tan - In this scenario there is zero resistance from anyone & you could have sex with a 9 every week if you so choose].

(09-04-2014 02:42 AM)Akula Wrote:  I've never been in Australia but back home in the US 8+s are VERY rare, you almost never see them except in certain cities and environments (i.e. clubs in Miami, Whole Foods in Santa Monica, certain areas of Manhattan, etc.) and 9s are pretty much like supermodels mostly. Hell 7.5s are rare IMO. Women are obese, don't dress well and don't act feminine so that tends to drop the average I think. Guys are regularly wifing up high 7s in the US at least in most middle to upper middle class social circles from what I'm familiar with, since good women are so hard to find.

8's aren't particularly rare if you know where to look. Unfortunately they are diluted with an abundance of overweight, entitled lizards. Of the 8's that you do find, a significant portion have terrible personalities.

Quote:Most of my friends were either nightclub fiends, pua gurus, promoters, club owners, successsful white collar guys in finance…

I noticed you made this comment Toni. From experience, this environment typically attracts the worst possible women Australian society has to offer.

Post: #357

(09-04-2014 04:39 AM)Deluge Wrote:  No, the average female is 165 cm aka 5'5.

If you google "average female height in Australia", wiki will tell you that it's 161cm for 18+ and 163cm for 18-24.

ABS has this: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/...s212011-13

I was just going off the top of my head, so I was off by a little bit.

ABS says it's 161cm, 71kg for females, and note that the average female weight has been increasing faster than male one.

Whatever, they're still way too fat.

160cm 66ish kilos are the measurements of elite male powerlifters or bodybuilders with thick muscles for their frames, and about 8-10% bodyfat.

A female at similar height and 5kg heavier is just fucking fat.

(09-04-2014 04:54 AM)Akula Wrote:  Holy sh*t 45-60 lbs? That's almost unbelievable. So half are technically obese?

It's funny but if you randomly search on one of the online dating sites in Ukraine you are unlikely to find many girls above 60kg. Most are in the 50-55kgr range, with many right around the 50kg zone.

Seems that land whales predominate Down Under - just like they do in the USA. Ughhh.

In some ways it's worse actually. American female weight is skewed heavily due to having significant percentage of the population being obese black and hispanics. We have very few of them here and we're still just as fat on average.

Some stats:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/...1002011-12

Quote:Overweight and obesity
Prevalence of overweight and obesity in adults aged 18 years and over has continued to rise to 63.4% in 2011-12 from 61.2% in 2007-08 and 56.3% in 1995.
However the prevalence of overweight and obesity in children aged 5-17 has remained stable at 25.3% in 2011-12.

Physical measurements

Average height and weight
In 2011-12, the average Australian man (18 years and over) was 175.6 cm tall and weighed 85.9 kg. The average Australian woman was 161.8 cm tall and weighed 71.1 kg.
Between 1995 and 2011-12 the average height increased by 0.8 cm for men and by 0.4 cm for women.
Between 1995 and 2011-12 the average weight increased by 3.9 kg for men and by 4.1 kg for women.

Waist circumference
In 2011-12, 60.3% of men aged 18 years and over had a waist circumference that put them at an increased risk of developing chronic disease, while 66.6% of women had an increased level of risk.
On average, men had a waist measurement of 97.9 cm while women had a waist measurement of 87.7 cm.

So 63% of adult females are overweight or obese. The average female is 161cm, 71kg with a waist of 87.7cm. Or 5'4", 157lb and 34.5" for you Americans.

That's really fucking fat especially going by that waist size. For comparison, Arnold in his BB days had a 31~32" waist. I'm bigger than the average female (I'm also a muscular nationally ranked powerlifter), and my waist is 76cm or just under 30".

Post: #358

My understanding was the average male is 5'10 and females 5'5. According to those ABS figures you linked for 18-24 year old women it's 163.8 cm aka 5'4.5, so I'm half an inch off, and on the money for men. Seems like my powers of observation find middle aged and old people invisible.

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that Australian figures can't be compared to America's due to race. Australia has the fattest white people in the world.

Post: #359

I think the Kiwis might challenge us for that title (fattest white people in the world) though lol

Post: #360

(09-04-2014 08:33 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I think the Kiwis might challenge us for that title (fattest white people in the world) though lol

Kiwi figures are skewed by their Maori's and Pacific Islanders. White's in parts of the South and Midwest are fatter then white Australians though.

Interestingly Victoria has the lowest obesity rate in Australia, but the difference between the states here is pretty small.

Post: #361

I don't really want to get sucked back into the debate here, but I just thought I'd point out tonipepperoni currently has 124 posts in this thread, arguing with countless people about how Australia is the worst place on earth at great length. Nearly every poster arguing with him has tried to take a more nuanced position, pointing out that Australia has both negatives and positives, like most places - nobody rushed in to white knight it that I saw.

Rush87, DaveR, Deluge and co. you may be wasting your time trying to convince him that Australia has any positive points at all, the dude clearly has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about it.

Post: #362

There isn't a lot of value in this thread that's for sure.

Post: #363

^ for the sake of bringing value back to the thread then, what's it like picking up Chinese (or asian in general) chicks in Australia?
Reason i'm asking is this thread (/forum) acts like most of the guys in AUS are big, burly, drunktards with insanely aggressive game, and that's been my experience as well (outside of Melbourne anyway). Doubtful that Chinese FOBs go for them so is it safe to say it's easier to go for them if have more passive/indirect game?
.

Post: #364

Aussie guys who pick up Chinese are called FOBinators. They get no respect as it's playing in the little leagues.

Post: #365

(09-05-2014 03:25 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  Aussie guys who pick up Chinese are called FOBinators. They get no respect as it's playing in the little leagues.

Does one pick up lizards for the respect of the bros or because of the need to cum? As long as one is attracted to them, does it really matter on the grand scale of things?

Post: #366

May as well pick up men or prostitutes if you need to cum.

In Australia you get handsome dudes slaying 20 FOB clones and 1 AWG in a year and think to yourself lay count isn't everything

Post: #367

Thread needs more pictures.
That is all

Post: #368

Be careful what you ask for.

I commute on public transport every day.

Each and every single day I see guys, with 34 inch waists, broad shoulders, developed chest, good posture, full heads of hair and groomed well....

and then next to them is some beast who is 20-25kg overweight, blotchy skin from a shit diet, wearing thongs (flip flops) eyes glued on a smart phone and a sour look on her face that screams "The world owes me more than this".

On a side note re: flip flops, I made a joke at work the other day. The last friday of every month, we get the option of not working in suit and tie, dress casual instead, if we make a gold coin donation to charity. I said "Every day is casual dress day for the women here". I got some frowns... ahh I love being introduced to the red pill.

So making this story into pictures.... as I said, be careful what you ask for.

That said, can't agree with 'FOBinators' being the only guise. Some of us like rare traits in women... such as waists and cellulite-free thighs.

Not all female Asian women here are little brown fucking machine who "luv you lon' time five dorra". Some of them a well adjusted, middle class girls. Raised properly, with good male role models in their life. Where their culture doesn't demean and belittle men.

For anyone, to use language in this thread', to think Stacey from TAFE is a better option is kidding themselves. The Asian women I talk about here are smarter, studied harder, know multiple languages, have a better knowledge of nutritious food, are thinner. They beat Stacey hands down in every single field of human endeavour.

Stacey has.. what... white skin?

To answer the guy above, Asians (proper) are divided into 3 classes.

Subbies (from the sub-continent).. Indians, Sri Lankans. Not easy, can be demanding if you don't exert your pimp hand. Many drink the feminist kool-aid. Not long ago, most Subbie women were married to white guys who worked in SE Asia (KL, SG), or were 24 hour brides out of Penang. Now, they are our 3rd largest immigrant group so many more are enclaving, immigration virtually sees 50-50 by gender. Virtually all subbie women treat white guys like emotional tampons, if they let them.

East Asians, but particularly Chinese (mainly mainlanders, you do include ethnic chinese from Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia here, but these can slip into the 3rd class).. Generally as xenophobic here as they are at home. A sizable number of white groupies, moreso who are DTF as long as no one knows about it. They are still enclaving, but they do that everywhere in the world. Also, I would assert from observation that more men than women are here from China, so the chinese women are continued to be given princess treatment and like to stay in the comfort zone.

South East Asians. Malaysians, Indonesians, Thais, Philippinos (rare however), but can add in others as I described above. Probably the least resistant to getting with white men. For some reason, fewer men from their countries end up here, so if the opposite is from above, they are competing for fewer men, so will look outwards.

They definitely tend to be sweeter. Our immigration policy tends to be stringent on the applicants in terms of education, language and skills. So we get a lot of people come here who want to make a better life for themselves, and filter out the deadbeats (they come by other means, a different story to this thread), I would observe this also means they are more likely to view the bigger picture in terms of mate selection.

Post: #369

(09-05-2014 02:27 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  ^ for the sake of bringing value back to the thread then, what's it like picking up Chinese (or asian in general) chicks in Australia?
Reason i'm asking is this thread (/forum) acts like most of the guys in AUS are big, burly, drunktards with insanely aggressive game, and that's been my experience as well (outside of Melbourne anyway). Doubtful that Chinese FOBs go for them so is it safe to say it's easier to go for them if have more passive/indirect game?
.

To be honest, most Australian men don't game Asian women. Eurasian girls [And Westernised Asian's] get a lot of attention, but an Asian woman fresh off the boat? Not at all.

It is true that this stigma exists whereby an Australian male dating an attractive 'albeit' English as a second language Asian is essentially 'giving up'. They're deemed to be the guys who can't cut it.

I think this is ridiculous but the mentality exists none the less.

Regarding the passive/indirect game. I think this would be on point. I spent a few years working in the heart of the city & spent significant time with my asian colleagues. I noticed that Asian guys had an uphill battle with Asian girls - but the aggressive 'Aussie' didn't fair much better.

Post: #370

You didn't answer the guy above. He wants pictures.

It's sad that in Australia you have to choose between unappealing whites and FOBS.

2nd-3rd gen Australian Asians (Viet/Thai/Filo) are hot but you just don't get a good alternative choice and end up thinking you must either have Yellow Fever (you don't) or you think white girls just don't like you and only Asians and fatties do.

Living in London you get access to Latin Americans, Scandinavians, East Europeans, some hot black girls too, that you just don't really get enough exposure to in Australia.

The small number of Euros and Latin Americans (particularly Colombians) get swamped from Day 1 in Oz. See Spice Market on a Thursday night in Melbourne.

Post: #371

(09-06-2014 01:13 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 02:27 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  ^ for the sake of bringing value back to the thread then, what's it like picking up Chinese (or asian in general) chicks in Australia?
Reason i'm asking is this thread (/forum) acts like most of the guys in AUS are big, burly, drunktards with insanely aggressive game, and that's been my experience as well (outside of Melbourne anyway). Doubtful that Chinese FOBs go for them so is it safe to say it's easier to go for them if have more passive/indirect game?
.

To be honest, most Australian men don't game Asian women. Eurasian girls [And Westernised Asian's] get a lot of attention, but an Asian woman fresh off the boat? Not at all.

It is true that this stigma exists whereby an Australian male dating an attractive 'albeit' English as a second language Asian is essentially 'giving up'. They're deemed to be the guys who can't cut it.

I think this is ridiculous but the mentality exists none the less.

Regarding the passive/indirect game. I think this would be on point. I spent a few years working in the heart of the city & spent significant time with my asian colleagues. I noticed that Asian guys had an uphill battle with Asian girls - but the aggressive 'Aussie' didn't fair much better.

I do agree aussies are without a doubt the most racist people in the anglosphere (I dont know about people in NZ, as I never ever have talked with any of them) I recently talked to this aussie dude in skype, he came out as anti-social and had the attitude of always having to prove something for some odd reason, he told me he was made because his brothers were race-traitors... then I asked wha the heck is going on with them.. He told me they were dating asian women (ones was about to make already).. he seemed quite disturbed. I think many Aussie guys have quite backward mentality and make your average white americans looks like a progressive minded person, which says enough...

Post: #372

(09-06-2014 01:21 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  You didn't answer the guy above. He wants pictures.

It's sad that in Australia you have to choose between unappealing whites and FOBS.

2nd-3rd gen Australian Asians (Viet/Thai/Filo) are hot but you just don't get a good alternative choice and end up thinking you must either have Yellow Fever (you don't) or you think white girls just don't like you and only Asians and fatties do.

Living in London you get access to Latin Americans, Scandinavians, East Europeans, some hot black girls too, that you just don't really get enough exposure to in Australia.

The small number of Euros and Latin Americans (particularly Colombians) get swamped from Day 1 in Oz. See Spice Market on a Thursday night in Melbourne.

I see double standards here... If white Aussies find unappealing the aussie women because of their looks and culture, then what makes aussie men any better? If the aussie women are product of their retarded culture, that means that aussie mean are akin to them.. and that If they marry a foreign women they will end up spoling her with their beta attitude.

Post: #373

(09-05-2014 10:24 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  East Asians, but particularly Chinese (mainly mainlanders, you do include ethnic chinese from Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia here, but these can slip into the 3rd class).. Generally as xenophobic here as they are at home. A sizable number of white groupies, moreso who are DTF as long as no one knows about it. They are still enclaving, but they do that everywhere in the world. Also, I would assert from observation that more men than women are here from China, so the chinese women are continued to be given princess treatment and like to stay in the comfort zone.

Thanks for the info, that seems like a drastic change from what i see in Singapore.. wonder what the reason is. Even in Cali east asian chicks are totally down for dating Americans, maybe the burly AUS attitude turns them off XD
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Post: #374

East Asian fobs on Cali are dating locals in big numbers?

I admit I wad there last 14 years ago, but that wasn't what I observed. Children of immigrants is a different thing, and I wasn't commenting on them

Post: #375

(09-05-2014 02:27 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  ^ for the sake of bringing value back to the thread then, what's it like picking up Chinese (or asian in general) chicks in Australia?
Reason i'm asking is this thread (/forum) acts like most of the guys in AUS are big, burly, drunktards with insanely aggressive game, and that's been my experience as well (outside of Melbourne anyway). Doubtful that Chinese FOBs go for them so is it safe to say it's easier to go for them if have more passive/indirect game?
.

The FOB Asian girls in Australia are a niche market. These girls come to study or work in Australia, and they're usually from China (as well as Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia etc).

Due to linguistic and cultural reasons, these girls tend to associate with others who are also from the same country as they are, and this may make them appear standoffish. However, from my experience, these girls are actually quite open to dating and having sex with local guys.

Once you meet a FOB Asian girl (either through social circle, online dating, night game etc) the type of game best to use would be to demonstrate that you're an intelligent, educated, family-oriented guy and that you take money and your career seriously. They value these traits very highly (as opposed to being a thug or struggling artist type). After that, just escalate as you would normally.

From what I've seen, demonstrating that you're a drunk, burly guy and doing insanely aggressive approaches will generally not be seen as attractive by FOB Asian girls. Also, the use of arrogant cocky humour and "negging" is almost always going to work against you.

These days, I pretty much almost exclusively go for only the FOB Asians - I find them by far the most attractive as a demographic, and from my personal experience, the Return On Investment (ROI) with these girls is the most favourable.