Post: #126

Toni, whilst I am 27, I would avoid generalisations such as 'A pre-programmed ideology to settle & get married. It isn't on my agenda.

An interesting thing to note re expatriation is that many leave chasing an ideal. For instance, you can find glowing data sheets on many nations only to read how awful it is at a later date.

Much of this I believe boils down to the stock put into the standard of women. Your passion, friends & family take a back seat often times leaving you in an overseas pussy paradise whilst being increasingly unhappy. I know a few men in this very situation.

Where Australia offers a superior quality of life in my assumption is without a doubt the environment. If you are stuck in the 9-5 rat race you likely miss out on it's perks. When you operate around your own schedule however it is unmatched. No where in Europe do you have access to the beaches, parkland, sporting events, theatres, harbor & bushland in such close proximity to one another.

One may not value the above, but plenty of people do. For me it outweighs the lack of feminine women.

Post: #127

(08-22-2014 05:32 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  Toni, whilst I am 27, I would avoid generalisations such as 'A pre-programmed ideology to settle & get married. It isn't on my agenda.

An interesting thing to note re expatriation is that many leave chasing an ideal. For instance, you can find glowing data sheets on many nations only to read how awful it is at a later date.

Much of this I believe boils down to the stock put into the standard of women. Your passion, friends & family take a back seat often times leaving you in an overseas pussy paradise whilst being increasingly unhappy. I know a few men in this very situation.

Where Australia offers a superior quality of life in my assumption is without a doubt the environment. If you are stuck in the 9-5 rat race you likely miss out on it's perks. When you operate around your own schedule however it is unmatched. No where in Europe do you have access to the beaches, parkland, sporting events, theatres, harbor & bushland in such close proximity to one another.

One may not value the above, but plenty of people do. For me it outweighs the lack of feminine women.

Let me confirm something. You said you did two years in Kiev, right?

Post: #128

Give or take afew months.

Post: #129

(08-22-2014 06:05 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  Give or take afew months.

Personally, I or anyone who has lived in a slovak country would not believe that you can find intellectual women with looks to match their intelligence/femininity in Australia. Even if you're a millionaire playboy. I don't think you're being genuine.

Hell, I don't even think the equivalent is achievable in Western Europe or Nordic countries.

The environment simply doesn't breed the same type of women. While Slavic girls have their own weaknesses, their intellectual interests are unmatched. Not even French girls come close. I like Scandinavian girls, but I know if I ever live there, I'll have to make a compromise with their lack of intelligence.

For you to say that you have select pickings of beautiful women who are hyper-intelligent indicates to me that you're either too wishful, inauthentic, naive, lacking in social intelligence or you've got a serious case with oneitis with a girl you've recently met.

It is simply unreasonable for someone to compare the intellectual quality of women in such regions to what happens in Australia.

Doing a Business degree or a law degree still isn't comparable. The difference lies within the fact that most slovak girls can talk about poetry, literature, history, art in significantly good detail such that they compliment a man's existence.

A girl in Australia may be able to show good academic preferences, but her taste for high art, literature, classical music is next to none.

I am completely at odds with them.

Post: #130

(08-21-2014 01:24 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  Aussie guys who post on here generally know in terms of women, that the grass is DEFINITELY greener!

However, in terms of lifestyle, and quality of life, Australia is hard to beat. The economy is good and there are so many opportunities if you pull your head out. There are also some very excellent people around the place, from all over the world.

Australia is a new world country and so I think many people I know stay because there are opportunities to make of it what they want. This is going to be harder in the old world, in countries like Sweden.

Certainly, Sweden does have Stureplan, and its stunning, very well dressed ladies. But you can have all the opulence you want, when 10 months of the year the weather is as grey and dark as it is! (the food aint that great either!) I can't think of anyone I know who has thought that Scandinavia was a better option than Australia for the long term. spalex in Norway doesn't seem to happy that is for sure!

tonipepperoni is spot on in many regards though and many men do not know any better, they honestly think all women are the same and are at the level where they think they don't need much more than a hole.

DaveR, have you ever been to Australia? Not all Australian men are as you picture them.

I'd say it is the same in all anglo countries, that the men punch really above their weight, in terms of character and looks.

Yeap, gotta agree with this. Aus is a great country for living here but don't even bother with serious dating or marriage.

Post: #131

Tonipepperonis smackdowns have been some of the most punitive and unrelenting I have ever seen on this forum.


He's taken the mantle of HooliganHarry


Reasonably attractive girls in London who have backpacked Australia describe it as one big constant multi-dude approach across the entire country.


Australia is approach game, niche game and Young Tall Cool Handsome game on full blast, there is no angle left untapped, there's even Latin Passion overseas tourist Dont Fuck It Up game.


For the man who enjoys having sex with women, such an environment is harsh and soul-crushing. Either he taps out or tries to push the boundaries of game even further.


For the women, they will get fried by "too much choice" and an ideology centred on narcissism, consumerism, cliquishness and tangential spiritual consumption. There is no reflection, no greater meaning, nothing but a profound and implacable emptiness. The horror. The horror.

Post: #132

I've seen Australian guys validate their existence in Australia with the following excuses:
- Better lifestyle
- Beaches, nature, weather
- Quality of life

If there's anything I miss about Australia it's none of those things.
I miss my family, I miss some friends, I miss the cocky mateship and the banter, but the rest can die in a fire for all I care.

It does not make sense for a man who's got a location independent lifestyle to live in Australia.
I'm currently earning more than someone on a mining Salary, but living in a place where my life expenses don't exceed anything beyond 12k euro a year.

In the end I can afford to take trips anywhere around europe if I want a more relaxed beach location and pick and choose to whatever suits my fancy. And in the end I'll be putting away a lot of money for a rainy day.

While I talk about luxurious lifestyle, I do not live it -- not because I can't but because of my own election.

I used to live in a 4.5 star Hotel apartment in the cbd and probably forked out 600 dollars a week (adjusted inflation is probably 700-800 dollars) and right now I'm fairly comfortable in my studio apartment by the park about 800m from the main street.

I didn't just move for the women. I moved because Australia is inherently a puritan nation with a puritan progressive culture, that's warped in its own consumerism.

In many ways it reminds me of Dubai and Singapore -- nations with little or no history who had to invent a 'holographic' fantasy to convince it's citizens that its the most luxurious place on the earth with impeccably high living standards. At the end of the day, both of these places are Nanny states which suffocates a man's right to breath and instead attempt to supplement his existence with job security, money, consumerism, nice weather, foodie venues offering 'spanish tapas', fashion outlets, to further his mental masturbation and to distract him from his more instinctive goals.

Only when the Australian is 13 drinks deep, after having spent $20 entry fee at Sugar nightclub, that he can express it in the form of violence: either locking horns with another aggressive male, or making out with a heffa, or making love to a kebab at 4am. After that he will return to his reality living like a house cat, in a domesticated, protected reality filled with nice pleasant sunshine, little brown birds fluttering everywhere, with Koschi in the morning with his crowish accent... and so on.

I left because it's a protected reality. There is no sense of danger or thrill in the air. No sense of fantasy or possibility or potential.
Most of my friends who I have left behind are going to the same venues. And if they're not, they are going to the same places but with refurbished interiors, a smug interior with quirky furniture, a lifesize horse-statue that's a lamp, a theme to make the place interesting, more novelties to distract the individual from realising that he living in a holographic universe. All that is required is a fashionable new name and marketing for it to be sold to the pleb population.

That's how Australia essentially operates: It needs to constantly reinvent itself for it to be interesting. The money and lifestyle doesn't come from our technical abilities, but rather, extracting value from the ground selling it, and building a holographic city with novelties that come from Europe or America.

There is a simulation, a simulacrum going on.

Post: #133

This is how I live:




Put on the glasses Rush ))))

Post: #134

(08-22-2014 07:13 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  Australia is approach game, niche game and Young Tall Cool Handsome game on full blast, there is no angle left untapped, there's even Latin Passion overseas tourist Dont Fuck It Up game.

You've got a point. ALL the guys I know who actually do well fall into one or more of these 3 categories.

1. Guys who are good looking enough to still do well even if they didn't know about game

2. Guys with strong niches (FOB asians, backpackers, hipsters, being a DJ etc.)

3. Guys who approach like motherfuckers, making up for their low ROI's with sheer volume and low standards. They would be much better off trying to join groups 1 and/or 2.

How was Melbourne Canteen by the way?

Post: #135

As for my views on feminism -- I don't think it's the devil at work here. What's problematic is 'progressivism' and in someways I consider Roosh V is more of a critique of 'Capitalism + Progressivism' rather than someone who criticises 'feminism' and 'technology'. Just to let people know, I'm not a left wing socialist, I'm partial to the idea of a libertarian and crypto anarchism but I'm not exactly certain where I stand politically. I'm a fan of french and german philosophers/writers (hence more reason for me not be in 'Straya).

I personally do not like the intellectual merit of manosphere writers -- their arguments are cheap, easy to defeat, and unsophisticated. Most of the writings are philosophically incorrect, render history poorly, incoherent and in many ways they have a reductionist quality to it.

Feminism, as we know it, is a biproduct of progressivism and capitalism. Progressivism is a biproduct of puritanism. The manosphere is effectively battling religious zealots but they have to resort to conservatism to do it and 'traditionalism' -- this is a grave mistake.

If you want to read on some more sophisticated criticism then check out: http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-...nick-land/

I'm not exactly a fan of RamzPaul but he effectively summarises the essay - though I don't think this should be considered as a decent source, it may fuel the desire to read the entire thing.

Post: #136

This thread has peaked my interest in Oz and I`m gonna put it at the top of my travel list. Also, from what I understand, a Mediterranean look works wonders with Aussie girls.

Post: #137

There is also a destructive quality to living in a nation where men continuously try and out-peacock each other.

Many of my friends have very predictable and generalized behaviors. Many don't fall out of patterns and transcend into someone who is disciplined in mastery of a specific art form. Very few are successful at doing this because they constantly have to reinvent themselves to be interested in life. They mentally masturbate about doing something so ambitious, but in the end all of them succumb to the weakness of being a corporate slave, who spends $200 a w/e on booze, and the rest on a car to status whore. In the end they're slaves to RAMS home loans, slaves to their own women, and slaves to the fantasy they have been taught as a child: 'There still is no place like Australia' [/quantas-music-choir].

In many ways Australians behave like children wearing their parents clothes. They role play and fictionalise a holographic idea they saw in Entourage -- Wolfpack in las vegas, cancun, ibiza.. but not many of them are willing to go by themselves to an unsafe country as a friend of mine asked:
'Is Brazil safe to travel, bro'

For all the powerlifting and protein shakes in the world thats consumed by Australians daily, the insular domesticated reality of Australia has cushioned the true violence of reality.

You see aussie guys often cheering, looking happy, aloof even though they're surrounded by sausage. In this sense, we are seeing classical delusion-invention psychoanlaysis at play: 1. See fantasy of beautiful women on entourage 2. Roleplay and simulate behavior seen on entourage in a clubbing environment 3. Realise the club is shit ----> still have vinnie chase non-chalant smile while cheers'ing with 'mates' and having 'the time of their lives'.

Many are rattled by the sexlessness. Many become sociopathic as they approach girls, get 100 numbers, proceed to text all of them, completely indifferent to the other person (not that Australian sheilas are to be respected). In many ways sex in australia is like masturbating using someones body, seduction is like two aspergers kids playing a game of chess. It's retarded in that way.

It's much easier to become a gentleman here in this part of the world. And in general, intelligence plays a big part in the role of seduction. Intelligence is a qualifier. Where as in Australia, expressing any cultural references will result in indifference and you will be punished if you don't speak to her like a 5 year old.

Post: #138

I see the above type of behavior among the male society in the United States. I think you could basically substitute "the Anglosphere" in place of Australia and everything would be right on.

Post: #139

(08-22-2014 01:18 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  In many ways sex in australia is like masturbating using someones body, seduction is like two aspergers kids playing a game of chess. It's retarded in that way.

Where's the 'someone else's body' quote from? I want to say a philosopher... might have been a psych. I remember it being in my reading years back, and thought it accurately-described the way all the gay men I had to work with in my job described their excessive sexual interactions. Wouldn't mind refreshing my memory.

That being said, I've noticed a definite shift over the last 8 years or so. Heterosexual society started acting like gay society, with the same need for instant gratification of sexual desire with the same lack of genuine interest in the reality of each other - holding a projected fantasy of who they wish each other was through sex until they get off.

As to Asperger's and Seduction - I see that as simply being Low-Emotionally-Resilient Millenial Social Awkwardness, particularly the protective bubble of discomfort they carry around themselves. They don't understand sex, dating and social interaction enough they either turn into awkward prudes who need a few days thought to decide they were raped, or voracious sluts in reaction to not understanding or controlling their sexual desire.

I'm noticing a marked upswing in children engaging in unsupervised play as groups in public spaces over the last year, which means there might be a sea change in another 8-10 years as they're learning emotional resilience and normal human interaction to differentiate themselves from the Millenials. Makes sense when their older peers and parents are enabling neglect through constant curation of their false social media personalities.

Post: #140

Nearly all of the Australian guys I met were cool, and had some sort of game or good lifestyle laid out. Shame that the country lacks beautiful women, its probably comes from the original english influence, all that Ladette culture.

Post: #141

(08-21-2014 09:46 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Mentioning any famous writer, composer or thinker from western history to her is the kiss of death.

And tonipepperoni, +1 for the no punches held philosophic analysis; nice to see Baudrillard and Zizek thrown into the mix.

I've never been to Australia but know someone who lived there for some time. Great guy whose potential was held back due to the false positivity bubble.

The anglosphere idea of an attractive man tends towards the high energy extrovert. Loud, bubbly, in your face, center of attention. What Roosh might call "the clown" or a dancing monkey. In the US I have to be much more "on" than in Europe. It's mentally exhausting and unnatural. To think, I have to filter what I say because it may be too out there or too weird, that I have to keep it short and sweet and funny.

Yet I can go to Europe and feel like I can speak more openly and not only will I be understood (by people who speak English as a second or third language), but it will be taken as a matter of fact way of speaking. While philosophy may be "boring" to Americans, to the French it's integral to life. While liking non-mainstream music may make you a "hipster" or "snob", in many parts of Europe it's a part of life.

The subdued intellectual 'artist tyrant' archetype comes from a European context. Sure you still have to approach, attract and escalate, but if you have intellectual interests and can talk about them enthusiastically, then there will be a much richer experience to be had than "lotsa blondes, skinny and tall, they don't get my jokes."

I feel like everything in the anglosphere is becoming fragmented and sterilized to the point where you have to start re-learning how to breathe. In the land of so-called opportunity, freedom and spontaneity, never have I experienced so much subtle repression and calculation.

Men who decide to stay in the anglosphere have to be comfortable with being the clown, not just turning the clown "on" but being the clown. It's funny how the platitude of "be yourself" makes me want to leave the US in order to "be myself".

Post: #142

Toni, you appear to keep going back to a point I have already made. Eastern European women are superior to Australian women. I have made this quite clear (numerous times) yet somehow we keep coming back to this topic. Reading comprehension fail?

There are however a small portion of women on par with an Eastern European 9. To say otherwise is to have only a basic understanding of the population; which of course is only logical if you haven't grown up in the country (Another reason why arguing otherwise is less than intelligent).

Re knowledge of the fine arts: Never have I heard such nonsense in my life. This is pseudo elitism. Irrespective of the knowledge any women has in the fine arts, it will be akin to small talk. Outside someone who has studied a specific topic, what do you expect to gain from the conversation?

Personally that is an extremely blue pill rational. The notion that surface level conversation has any relevance what so ever. Personally I would prefer to discuss the weather.

To be perfectly blunt re your argument, perhaps you are trolling - But do you honestly believe you can debate personal preference & find it particularly shocking that one would prefer to live in Australia over the Ukraine?

To brush off environmental factors is to make any argument moot. Especially considering the fact that I have explicitly said women are not my number 1 priority.

In any case there are nearly 40,000 Ukrainian Australian migrants alone. Surely they have not lived in the Ukraine to reach this decision.

BTW; I'm happy to continue the debate, but I wonder, are you trying to convince me or yourself? Especially considering the argument is over personal preference. Can one really ever think there is a right answer? To me that is the height of irrationality.

Post: #143

(08-22-2014 01:17 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  This thread has peaked my interest in Oz and I`m gonna put it at the top of my travel list. Also, from what I understand, a Mediterranean look works wonders with Aussie girls.

No, that look is too ubiquitous here. There's plenty of 100% Italian, Greek, Lebanese, Yugoslav and Maltese guys here whose grandparents came after WW2. There's almost as many Mediterraneans in Melbourne as there are Asians (in the broad sense of the word) for example. Plenty of Middle Eastern guys in Sydney especially. A Mediterranean look won't hurt you but it won't help you either. Unless you have a Romance language accent.

Post: #144

(08-22-2014 06:05 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Toni, you appear to keep going back to a point I have already made. Eastern European women are superior to Australian women. I have made this quite clear (numerous times) yet somehow we keep coming back to this topic. Reading comprehension fail?

There are however a small portion of women on par with an Eastern European 9. To say otherwise is to have only a basic understanding of the population; which of course is only logical if you haven't grown up in the country (Another reason why arguing otherwise is less than intelligent).

Re knowledge of the fine arts: Never have I heard such nonsense in my life. This is pseudo elitism. Irrespective of the knowledge any women has in the fine arts, it will be akin to small talk. Outside someone who has studied a specific topic, what do you expect to gain from the conversation?

Personally that is an extremely blue pill rational. The notion that surface level conversation has any relevance what so ever. Personally I would prefer to discuss the weather.

To be perfectly blunt re your argument, perhaps you are trolling - But do you honestly believe you can debate personal preference & find it particularly shocking that one would prefer to live in Australia over the Ukraine?

To brush off environmental factors is to make any argument moot. Especially considering the fact that I have explicitly said women are not my number 1 priority.

In any case there are nearly 40,000 Ukrainian Australian migrants alone. Surely they have not lived in the Ukraine to reach this decision.

BTW; I'm happy to continue the debate, but I wonder, are you trying to convince me or yourself? Especially considering the argument is over personal preference. Can one really ever think there is a right answer? To me that is the height of irrationality.

While I make compromises with the reality I am in wherever I go, you choose to look at things with rose coloured lenses.

I even mentioned to you that while I like Scandanvian girls, their intelligence and femininity can't be matched with Eastern European girls. I even know men in stockholm who come from a specific blood line, aristocrats, spend ridiculous amounts of cash in stureplan, spend 2 months of the year in the Riviera...and tour NY, Milan, Paris regularly. They make mince of any life afforded to an Australian kid who went to an exclusive private boys school and remains insular in some inbred clique.

With that said, while these sweds have access to extremely attractive women, the girls they date are not as feminine as what they could potentially get in the FSU or Russia. It would be silly to state otherwise.

In reality, there's always a compromise. Different environments breed different benefits.

EE girls don't name drop philosophers and artists. It comes implicitly in conversation. The fact that you haven't realised this disparity is telling, because it is making me realise that you had a bitter experience there, and went crawling back to your 'mates' + 'family' + 'creature comforts'.

I'll give you a specific example. Yesterday, a girl asked me if I wanted to watch a 'Streetcar named desire'. In Australia a girl would ask me to watch Transformers.

The distinction here is that one girl isn't affected by an entertainment freemarket whose primary goal is to have complete control over the chemical composition of the consumer brain and deliver dopamine infused entertainment.

Another example, would be that post-sex, she would play beautiful songs from her own playlist. An Australian girl would play Kee$ha. Again, another dopamine infused artist. This girl played a blues song from the 70s which I never heard of.

An Australian girl has an uphill battle to commit to if she wants to have similar intelligence levels and tastes as an Eastern European girl.

- If she's a 9 then she has to resist the temptation of joining instagram and getting 1,000,000 followers.
- If she's a 9 she has to resist the temptation of having braindead 9/10 friends.
- She will have to scour book libraries for Russian and French authors, because Australian consumers seem to be more interested in Dan Brown.
- She has to resist the world of reality tv, game shows, and so-called lifestyle channels featuring a homosexual host.
- She will probably have to delete facebook, because eventually 1000 thirsty followers will accrue and she will begin to get high off her likes.
- She may force herself to stay home in doors, or live on the country estate, where she doesn't get approached 10 times a day.
- She will have to block all brain-dead news media that's trying to paint Putin as the next Adolf Hitler

All of this is impossible. Studying difficult texts is significantly less chemically rewarding (at least in the first 30 minutes) than any of those things in the above. And when you're living in a holographic universe like Australia where you're taught to consume to validate your existence, I don't see it happening.

In an impoverished ex-soviet state that has a juvenile and naive form of capitalism, which has a love for history, arts, knowledge...the occurrence is a lot easier, simplified etc.

As Australian men, we can become deeply philosophical creatures because reality continuously rejects us. Australia is a tough environment for sex, and sex acts as a type of philosophical inquisition. We are always asking the question 'Why?'. We're always wondering about self-help and personal improvement, and trying to understand how women think. In many ways, we have to go through a journey of obtaining knowledge.

At most, an Australian girl is only concerned momentarily but without any objective reasoning skills about 'why brad didn't text'. After that she's either shifting between the past memories of cock carousel roller coasters or living purely in the present with ZERO or LITTLE philosophical inquisition in her own life.

There is no cold winter months or bouts of loneliness where she has to embark on a journey of learning about who she truly is. Australian girls are completely devoid of a Nietszchean spiritual voyage.

Post: #145

Sure Australia is a much easier environment if you're an Average Joe than an economic shithole. But the equation is completely different for someone who earns for themself.

But presuming your income is 200k, how much of your reality is truly affected?
1) You will probably have a shitty doctor, but you could probably pay more and find an extremely good one -- that said, the medical system would still put you through various bureaucratic trials.
2) You will be surrounded by ugly soviet architechture and shitty streets
3) Parklands will be untamed
4) People speak in a foreign tongue which you're completely oblivious to and have a specific culture which you will never be a part of.
5) You will have significant trouble meeting sophisticated people.
6) People's negative energy will affect your state.
7) Many are closet fascists
8) After an year you will eventually stagnate (unless you do certain things) in personal growth and eventually become like the potato chode local.
9) Have to actually break a girl's heart to get free from her.

On the upside:
1) You'll be exposed to a country that is rich in its interest for art, culture, literature, philosophy
2) The women will be unparalleled
3) The dates are more natural and you can afford to be yourself and not the 'clown' or lap-dog as mentioned earlier
4) The economic decline allows you to spend gratuitously in restaurants, opera theatres, nightclubs
5) You can also get an excessive penthouse as to offset 'creature comfort' needs
6) You grow in depth and experience in having been thrown into a completely different environment in the first few months.
7) A break from such a life is a 15 euro flight away.
8) Genuine empathetic reactions with women.

While living in the Ukraine was never an option for me, I am at least able to weigh the positives and the negatives a lot better than yourself.

Post: #146

(08-22-2014 02:49 PM)cowboy Wrote:  I see the above type of behavior among the male society in the United States. I think you could basically substitute "the Anglosphere" in place of Australia and everything would be right on.

Australia is an exaggeration of the Anglosphere. I would say the only place in the world which can compete with Australian males for peacock value is Essex, but they're like cheap chinese knockoffs.

Australian males frequently sex tour America, while males here constantly complain about it:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relatio...6875916849

Post: #147

(08-22-2014 03:45 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 01:18 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  In many ways sex in australia is like masturbating using someones body, seduction is like two aspergers kids playing a game of chess. It's retarded in that way.

Where's the 'someone else's body' quote from?

Documentary called 'When Porn Ends'.

Post: #148

Australian women are pretty average looking for Anglosphere girls, in my experience. Worse looking than continental European girls by a fair bit. Their main drawback is in their awful culture though. Australian women's attitudes (and their accents) are for the most part awfully masculine. There are very few things in life less attractive than a girl skulling a pint of beer and burping.

Australia is an awful place for gaming because of the above, and because of the fact that guys there are taller, in better shape, and more aggressive about approaching than most places in the world. This combination makes it somewhat of the inverse of the Ukraine or other 'good' countries for gaming. In Oz guys almost HAVE to date down.

In saying that, I don't agree with tonipepperoni's hate on Australia in general in this thread. It sounds somewhat like an expat trying to justify their decision to leave their homecountry with a bit of exaggerated bitterness - something thats quite common (you're probably unaware yourself you're even thinking this way, apologies if this comes across as insulting!) in expat circles.

I spent a fair amount of time in Sydney & Melbourne and thought they were fantastic cities, other than for gaming. The jobmarket is fantastic if you're a professional, wages are high, the weather and beaches in Sydney are better on a year round basis than anywhere outside of Southern California. There are lots of music festivals, lots of sports teams, lots of great restaurants. Plus the infrastructure is well developed and it's extremely safe. Yes, the average Aussie guy might lean towards the uncouth bogan a little more than in other countries. But if you put yourself in professional circles you'll find plenty of intelligent well cultured mates.

I would have absolutely no problem recommending Australia to anyone to live in, presuming they're already in a long term relationship. There's a reason Sydney and Melbourne are almost always in every 'top 10 cities to live in' list - by most measures (outside of gaming!) they are some of the better cities to live in in the world.

Post: #149

(08-23-2014 05:18 AM)zatara Wrote:  Australian women are pretty average looking for Anglosphere girls, in my experience. Worse looking than continental European girls by a fair bit. Their main drawback is in their awful culture though. Australian women's attitudes (and their accents) are for the most part awfully masculine. There are very few things in life less attractive than a girl skulling a pint of beer and burping.

Australia is an awful place for gaming because of the above, and because of the fact that guys there are taller, in better shape, and more aggressive about approaching than most places in the world. This combination makes it somewhat of the inverse of the Ukraine or other 'good' countries for gaming. In Oz guys almost HAVE to date down.

In saying that, I don't agree with tonipepperoni's hate on Australia in general in this thread. It sounds somewhat like an expat trying to justify their decision to leave their homecountry with a bit of exaggerated bitterness - something thats quite common (you're probably unaware yourself you're even thinking this way, apologies if this comes across as insulting!) in expat circles.

I spent a fair amount of time in Sydney & Melbourne and thought they were fantastic cities, other than for gaming. The jobmarket is fantastic if you're a professional, wages are high, the weather and beaches in Sydney are better on a year round basis than anywhere outside of Southern California. There are lots of music festivals, lots of sports teams, lots of great restaurants. Plus the infrastructure is well developed and it's extremely safe. Yes, the average Aussie guy might lean towards the uncouth bogan a little more than in other countries. But if you put yourself in professional circles you'll find plenty of intelligent well cultured mates.

I would have absolutely no problem recommending Australia to anyone to live in, presuming they're already in a long term relationship. There's a reason Sydney and Melbourne are almost always in every 'top 10 cities to live in' list - by most measures (outside of gaming!) they are some of the better cities to live in in the world.

I have similar attitudes to a place like Singapore as I do with Australia. Or even to a greater extent, a slave market like: Dubai.
A 2 week trip to either of these locations may give the feeling of utopia, and while Australia has genuine nature, more things to do, a 'freer' society and different cultures... they are still fairly similar.

Most people here are justifying livelihoods based on what they've seen over the course of a year or two -- in which the thin veil of ideology isn't easily apparent. The rest are too patriotic, have close family/friends ties, or too much in their comfort zones to see any negativity in the place itself. Most have gotten so used to the sexlessness that they resort to the other postiive aspects of Straya living: Mates, Beer, Weather, cricket, parks, etc etc.

Is Australia good for a 40 year old professional who wants to immigrate with his wife? This is arguable. This has been debated viciously among my expat friendship circles.
But for me, personally, it does not hold any benefit.

In the end people who enjoy Australia and its benefits are there to settle. People who like Australia have fallen in love with the creature comforts of Civilisation.

I don't particularly have the need to be a puppet in the system, in a solitary island in the middle of the pacific ocean that's completely devoid of culture. If you need it so you can be rewarded with its Mining Riches and nice weather then be my guest.

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Also you're a fool for recommending someone who's already in a committed relationship to go there with his girlfriend to a place like Australia.

Presuming they're both European, the girl doesn't have the pedigree to deflect Australian male advances.

If for example, she's from a city like Vienna, she would have gotten approached once a month or less by a complete euro-chode.
In Australia, it's possible, she'll get approached 2 times a day if she lives in the city center.

Because she doesn't understand her social value prior to being in Australia, she hasn't created a tough exterior to deflect male advances properly (bitchiness).

In the end, 2 things are very likely to happen:
- Over time she'll cheat on him, cos he's a chode in comparison
- Over time she'll have a tiff with him or hold him accountable more than ever before. It may even happen for no apparent reason. But I can assure you, that her behaviour will deteriorate over time. Just imagine sending an American couple to Ukraine, the male in the relationship will be mindboggled with his dating opportunities.

That's a compromise he'll have to make. There is no perfect solution to this. He can incorporate several 'things' to minimize the effects, just like an American girl can buy sexy lingerie to 'wow' her husband while on a trip to Kiev. But now you're resorting to clown game, innit.