Post: #1

Seeing this girl, nice enough girl, real sexual. The second time we banged I tried to get her to give me head and she said she "can't because she has TMJ".

TMJ is a joint problem in the jaw and can be real painful, I believe her, I don't think she is trying to get out of it to be a bitch.

However, I have seen her eat some pretty crusty bread, and a bunch of other stuff that would require some decent jaw effort. I'm thinking she can give some dome action gently without causing herself pain. Maybe she cant go ape shit and give a shop-vac type blowjob, but i bet she can do something that feels good to me. I've had some slow gentle blowjobs that were excellent.

Question is, how do I go about approaching this? Tell her to give me head, and tell her she can be as gentle as she wants?

Suggestions please!

Post: #2

Try to entice her by suggesting that just kissing or licking it gently might feel just as good and will be appreciated.

Without knowing the situation personally, I really have no way of knowing whether she's pulling something on you or not, but that kind of proposal should be received well.

Post: #3

Can she still lick it?

Post: #4

Well my instinct says she's full of shit. Maybe she really does have TMJ--I have a mild case with a clicking jaw sometimes but no real pain--but if it's so bad she can't suck a dick she'd have problems eating and be getting treatment for it, and she'd be complaining about the symptoms. She probably just has some hangup about giving head, or isn't into you enough to care deeply about giving you pleasure. Girls are full of excuses, and they often don't even realize that they're making excuses. They just feel something and rationalize it. For all we know she's never given a blowjob before, is worried she'll be bad at it, and is making excuses to avoid embarrassment. Maybe she had a bad experience, who knows?

Life's too short to go without blowjobs. My advice is try to guide her into what you want, by showing or telling her but not asking, and look for other girls that do offer what you want.

Post: #5

she definitely has TMJ, and has had treatment. But, as stated above she eats some decently tough food without much trouble. She think she can lick it no problem, will see if I can get through to her tomorrow. I think she would be receptive if I told her that even licking it would be appreciated. Not sure how to approach this one, don't want to sound like I am pleading or trying to convince her, and I already tried demanding which didn't work. She responds well to other sexual demands.

Life is definitely too short to go without dome.

Post: #6

I would let this one rest if she's been diagnosed with the TMJ. She's not going to do it well because her mind will be on whether he mouth will hurt the whole time.

Not every woman is cut out for everything and in this case, your best bet might be to find some other good asset she has. Maybe she's got huge boobs or has wanted to try anal or something.

I assume you're young -- there will be women in the future you'll meet who will want to give head and not have intercourse. So you might want to appreciate this now. I was in a similar situation with my g/f when I was 18 (she had a really small mouth and it hurt her to do it). I found that bad head is worse than no head and we learned to have fun in other ways. No worries. There were BJ queens in my future -- and yours too.

Post: #7

I'm actually not young (30) but only have 5 lifetime notches (lived in LTR land for way to long!).

My last ex loved giving head, did it amazingly and it made her wet as hell to do so. This is part of my hangup with it.

Post: #8

To settle any lingering doubts you might have about whether or not she actually has TMJ, take her out to a baseball game and buy her the biggest brat or corndog you can find and watch how she eats it.

Post: #9

i dont really have any doubts she has TMJ, i just doubt that it renders her oral skills completely useless.

Post: #10

Well hopefully her jaw doesn't click, she freaks, and bites your dick. That'd be a worst case scenario. Bring over some water ice to give to her when she's done.

But in all seriousness, if she does indeed have TMJ, I wouldn't push her too much. However, it should be in her best interest to please her man. Often, if girls have a personal issue preventing them from giving me head, they feel bad and work around it.

Post: #11

I used to believe some girls when they told me their jaw would hurt after only a couple minutes of giving head. Then I though of a few things:

1. I've seen these girls chew gum for hours.
2. I've seen these girls lick an ice cream cone for 10+ minutes.
3. I've seen these girls work popsicles for 10+ minutes.

Then I started sleeping with a virgin. 20 year old virgin. She asked me to teach her about sex. One day I showed her the 69 position. This girl, who had never given head before, with just some simple instruction, brought me to the point of cumming. She is only third girl ever to get me off with a blowjob. Mainly because of time required.

She bobbed and sucked for a good 10 minutes happily. I asked her if her jaw got sore. She said "Nope, but I wanted to stop because I just wanted you to fuck me"

I then realized if a virgin's mouth doesn't get sore even after 10 minutes, these other girls were just lying to me.

Now I call them out on it. If they persist, the next time I eat them out I wait right until they are going to cum, then I say "my jaw hurts, get on top of me"

if they get bitchy, I bring them out to ice cream. I then comment at the end, as they are finishing the last little bit of ice cream, "Your jaw must be killing you" with a smirk and a wink. They normally get the point.

Post: #12

Some girls just don't like it and some girls do but just don't like it with you. Address the potential barriers.

Shower before sex. Go down on her first. Don't rush her and don't verbally suggest it, let ur body do the talking. Make sure she is not relaxed.

She still won't do it? Ask her to kiss it and/or lick it? Actually if she has not already done this then she simply ain't into it with you. Ask her why.

Blowjobs are not the be all end end all. I had some amazing lovers who have not liked to give oral or paid lip service to it, so to speak. Push the issue, get your answer and move on.

Post: #13

(05-19-2014 01:00 PM)Cccc Wrote:  Some girls just don't like it and some girls do but just don't like it with you. Address the potential barriers.

Shower before sex. Go down on her first. Don't rush her and don't verbally suggest it, let ur body do the talking. Make sure she is not relaxed.

She still won't do it? Ask her to kiss it and/or lick it? Actually if she has not already done this then she simply ain't into it with you. Ask her why.

Blowjobs are not the be all end end all. I had some amazing lovers who have not liked to give oral or paid lip service to it, so to speak. Push the issue, get your answer and move on.

ive basically done exactly that entire list, and my reason was "i can't because of my TMJ"
hence the purpose of this thread. I didnt think to try and get her to lick it at the time, and thus now I want to try again. I wont push it to death, but want to give it another go. I like giving women oral, and I like getting it in return.

Post: #14

1) You get her to suck your dick, and you find out she was lying
2) you get her to suck your dick, and you find out she's telling the truth
3) you can't convince her to suck your dick at all

In all three situations, you know what you're dealing with. A liar, a cripple, or a woman with more power than you.

Do you have what it takes to be a man?

Or are you going to suffer under this broad who'll just dole out some pleasure at her leisure? And you'll just lap it up like a Poodle in her purse?

The time to break up with a chick for MAJOR flaws like this one, is NOW.

There are plenty of other fools who'll gladly lick this chick's clit and take her orders.

Don't be one of them.

WIA

Post: #15

Dump her.

If she really can give head, she will use it to win you back.

If not... find a girl who can.

Post: #16

Wash your dick (make sure she knows you cleaned up) then cover your pole with flavored edible lube (blueberry, strawberry kiwi, something else). She'll be sopping that pole all day! (You can also eat her pussy with the lube too)

Post: #17

Tell her stick out her tongue in the shape of a spoon and then cum in it and have her retract it and swallow.

Post: #18

1.put her upside on a bed with her head dangling down.

2.Then tell her to close her eyes and relax and clear her mind. Tell her to stop mentally keeping her mouth closed (its like breathing if you know what I mean)

3. Go balls deep in her mouth.

If she gets mad.

repeat steps 1-3

Post: #19

Anal.

Post: #20

I don't know why but the OP's "pretty crusty bread" comment had me cracking up.

Post: #21

50% chance it's bullshit. 50% chance it's not and her jaw will lock, biting your dick off.

Post: #22

TMJ is like that fibromyalgia shit, all fake for 99% of people.

Post: #23

This is a difficult one. I've worked girls who didn't give head into doing so before and, like so many things, it depends on various factors.

A few times all it took was a good drilling and finger-bang to get her turned on enough to let me put it in there. Other times it I got the lady comfortable with handling it, then licking/kissing it, and finally the full entry over the course of anywhere from 1 to maybe 7 different sexual encounters, depending on the chick/situation.

The TMJ thing may be real, but unless you're really big I cannot imagine it'd impede her from at least providing a warm dark place for you to park your member.

That's another thing: the reasons behind a chick not being down with head vary. Some had awful experiences (one I convinced got drunkenly tossed around by 5 dudes at the same time, another was molested as a child, another had a crusty uncircumcised boyfriend before, etc.), so understanding that can also help in your effort.

I'd say question the TMJ thing and/or explain how she doesn't have to be pornstar-caliber with the act (all she has to do is open up, really). You could also highlight how common, natural, and therefore important the act is. Between those three things if she still isn't giving it up, I'd say you have a problem that runs deeper.

Post: #24

do what WIA advised. honestly, there's no other choice.

ESPECIALLY since you've stated that you're use to grade A blowjobs from your ex... I too suffer from getting superb blowjobs from a chick a few years back.. now every bitch I incounter I'm all like "this bitch has no fucking clue"

again, take WIA's orders

Post: #25

I've always held the belief that every guy has a certain attraction threshold he must past, before a girl is willing to give herself to him -completely.

If she doesn't do anything freaky or nasty with you during sex, then you're not her top sexual priority. More succinctly put: you don't turn her on enough.

It could be your looks, tool, or lack of sexual experience that's turning her off. Getting the bang is not the end goal here. Getting genuine, unfiltered, raw sexual desire is. Have a look at Rollo's post on this:

http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/