Post: #51

Not going to touch the race issues with a ten foot pole; they're sure to burn this thread into the ground. But...I sense a big disconnect when military guys rant about a system that doesn't care about them while at the same time condemning other men who opted out a long time ago or chose not to serve.

I feel for you Ali and respect the sacrifices you made for your country, whether you made them in good faith or because you saw it as a legitimate career opportunity. As far as I'm concerned, your government used you.

But is it possible men who chose not to play the game or don't contribute to the tax base just became disillusioned before the system had a chance to use and abuse them too?

Both my brothers served (primarily because of a lack of options then rationalized with the concept of patriotism) and are very intelligent guys. One of them has told me on numerous occasions that after seeing how eagerly the military and other government parties throw around "our" money in war zones to justify their budgets and keep the tax money flowing, he recommends everyone milk the system for all it's worth any chance they get.

After all, that's exactly what the system has been doing to us for a long, long time.

I don't bother milking the system myself; I just try to have as little to do with it as possible. It's all a fucking game where men like us have very little to gain. And while I sympathize with your frustration, I don't see much sense in despising others who have been disillusioned by it all for longer than you have and have done what they can to avoid the traps.

We're all in this bitch together...

I hope you find what you're looking for out there, Man. If you really do leave, let me know when those man-boots kick up some dust in Asia.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #52

(03-27-2014 02:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  7 day ban for "fuck you" meltdown.

Post: #53

So many pieces of shit get benefits from the VA.

Walking into a va hospital makes me cringe. You're treated like shit by a govt employee that can't be fired and you're put at the back of a line with bitches and wimps where their military service was nothing but pushing paper or pumping fucking gas.

They were "soldiers" in name only. Never did a single combat exercise and suck up all the resources.

I'd dx them in a second if I could.

Ali's meltdown is understandable.

Post: #54

I know a dude who gets paid by the va for the rest of his life because of 'disabilities.' He was a bitch and got 'hazed'. He basically quit because he was soft.

Post: #55

One of my great uncles that was in the military always pointed this out. The government will send you places in the name of defending the freedom of your country, yet, the only people currently restraining your freedom are those that govern you anyways. He told me this when I was about to enlist to help pay for college, and backed off after that. I support the troops wholeheartedly, and it doesn't make me unpatriotic to recognize what my uncle recognized.

Post: #56

(03-27-2014 07:52 PM)Fisto Wrote:  So many pieces of shit get benefits from the VA.

Walking into a va hospital makes me cringe. You're treated like shit by a govt employee that can't be fired and you're put at the back of a line with bitches and wimps where their military service was nothing but pushing paper or pumping fucking gas.

They were "soldiers" in name only. Never did a single combat exercise and suck up all the resources.

I'd dx them in a second if I could.

Ali's meltdown is understandable.

I liaison with gov't offices through my work. The 80/20 rule is alive and true there (80% of the work is done by 20% of the people). Just curious, how did the gov't get like this? Where they can't fire people? This just seems ridiculous to me.

Post: #57

Feeling alienated and being aware of things while knowing the general society will never understand them has made me think or feel some far out things before. Sometimes it's hard to sit on it, but better off in the end.

On the other side of the token, it's very hard to cope at times(while not being outlandish).

Post: #58

(03-27-2014 06:24 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  So a while ago when I asked Ali whether everything was alright, I was...well...right that he was going through some stuff.

This is a good example of how your personal problems affect your state, and how having a negative state makes you a toxic person. Ali has been negative and hateful in so many threads over the past few weeks.

Sorry you're going through this, Ali, but you can change your state and your life will improve.

And your bullshit passive aggressive post could be the poster child of why not not ever to move to California.

You guys have become females for the most part and Ali has his moments but..Will return to fight another day.. It's obvious that you waited for his temp ban to comment and you are ex military? Taking female style shaming on your own?? Mike???

Post: #59

(03-27-2014 08:13 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Feeling alienated and being aware of things while knowing the general society will never understand them has made me think or feel some far out things before. Sometimes it's hard to sit on it, but better off in the end.

On the other side of the token, it's very hard to cope at times(while not being outlandish).

There was a good forum topic "Red Pill Isolation" about this. You're right, it sucks. As if you're watching a circus unfold in front of you. Just try to enjoy each day the most you can.

Post: #60

Quote:So to be black middle-class means to be within reach of all the handouts laid before black people by the civil rights actions of the decades and simultaneously being viewed with default lack of privilege/access/opportunity due to race.

Interesting but totally incorrect. I think you should find the study "The Mark of the Criminal Record" online.

Here's a money quote:

Quote: Among blacks without criminal records,
only 14% received callbacks, relative to 34% of white noncriminals. In fact, even whites with criminal records received more favorable
treatment (17%) than blacks without criminal records (14%)

Quote:Looking at today's situation without bias, a middle class black individual in America could exploit the hell out of the system with the proper steps.

Look without bias? The hiring managers aren't. They'll hire an ex-con as long he's their race.

Quote:Who really has the upper hand among average white and black males in society? It's hard to say. Complaining about victimhood from either and framing the other as competition is destructive.

Drop your emotional guard and look at the situation for a minute with a "red pill view" as they say around here.

I agree with this. Racial discussions bring out the male hamster. Everyone has their own cross to carry. I've never been White so I'm unqualified to comment on how easy/hard White people have it and the inverse it true for White people re: Blacks.

Everyone is programmed to prefer their own race. Anything like AA or EEO, like most of Western society, is designed to subvert the primal tendencies of our reptilian brain.

Post: #61

May have to pay a visit to the chatroom tonight. Perhaps a big fireworks show.

Post: #62

Ali, quit drinking so much....
...all those drunken nights and power trips in the chat room have caught up buddy.

You talk about entitlement and race, yet being white is a moot point in your situation and you are part of an entitled group...the vet group.

Why count on the VA when you can purchase private insurance from capitalist companies? The VA is basically socialism.

Man up and live through it, that's what you've always said.

Better yet, send the chatroom some brewskis.

Post: #63

(03-27-2014 08:17 PM)nek Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 08:13 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Feeling alienated and being aware of things while knowing the general society will never understand them has made me think or feel some far out things before. Sometimes it's hard to sit on it, but better off in the end.

On the other side of the token, it's very hard to cope at times(while not being outlandish).

There was a good forum topic "Red Pill Isolation" about this. You're right, it sucks. As if you're watching a circus unfold in front of you. Just try to enjoy each day the most you can.

My man, there is an entirely new level to this isolation when you fought in a war.

rampant corruption
unnecessary racism
xenophobia
lack of work ethic
uninformed opinions proliferate
lack of empathy in society
unwillingness to sacrifice
lack of honor and loyalty
leadership everywhere is petty, self-involved, fickle, trivial
being wrong, failing when trying, hard work is seen as weakness

Sometimes I think about too much and just need a cigarette. Other times some fat woman in the grocery line holds up 9 people to demand a discount because the yogurt container is slightly bent.

That's probably how I ended up here I think

Post: #64

Post: #65

(03-27-2014 08:33 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 08:17 PM)nek Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 08:13 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Feeling alienated and being aware of things while knowing the general society will never understand them has made me think or feel some far out things before. Sometimes it's hard to sit on it, but better off in the end.

On the other side of the token, it's very hard to cope at times(while not being outlandish).

There was a good forum topic "Red Pill Isolation" about this. You're right, it sucks. As if you're watching a circus unfold in front of you. Just try to enjoy each day the most you can.

My man, there is an entirely new level to this isolation when you fought in a war.

rampant corruption
unnecessary racism
xenophobia
lack of work ethic
uninformed opinions proliferate
lack of empathy in society
unwillingness to sacrifice
lack of honor and loyalty
leadership everywhere is petty, self-involved, fickle, trivial
being wrong, failing when trying, hard work is seen as weakness

Sometimes I think about too much and just need a cigarette. Other times some fat woman in the grocery line holds up 9 people to demand a discount because the yogurt container is slightly bent.

That's probably how I ended up here I think

Yeah my bad I wasn't trying to trivialize what you said or anything. I didn't know that you were referring to war specifically and were simply talking about realizing how the world works. I can only imagine how further down the rabbit hole war can take a person.

Post: #66

We have a chat room? How do I get there? Do I need to be on a computer?

Post: #67

Also,

5/10 Trolling

Step your troll game up!

The link to RVF CHAT, we're waiting for our guest...Aliblahba.

http://rooshv.com/rvfchat.html

Post: #68

(03-27-2014 08:37 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  We have a chat room? How do I get there? Do I need to be on a computer?

http://rooshv.com/rvfchat.html

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #69

Says I need to download flash player. I'm on my phone.

Post: #70

yeah, the chatroom is flash based. the chatroom creator said he's designing a flash free version

Post: #71

(03-27-2014 08:20 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

Quote:So to be black middle-class means to be within reach of all the handouts laid before black people by the civil rights actions of the decades and simultaneously being viewed with default lack of privilege/access/opportunity due to race.

Interesting but totally incorrect. I think you should find the study "The Mark of the Criminal Record" online.

Here's a money quote:

Quote: Among blacks without criminal records,
only 14% received callbacks, relative to 34% of white noncriminals. In fact, even whites with criminal records received more favorable
treatment (17%) than blacks without criminal records (14%)

Quote:Looking at today's situation without bias, a middle class black individual in America could exploit the hell out of the system with the proper steps.

Look without bias? The hiring managers aren't. They'll hire an ex-con as long he's their race.

Quote:Who really has the upper hand among average white and black males in society? It's hard to say. Complaining about victimhood from either and framing the other as competition is destructive.

Drop your emotional guard and look at the situation for a minute with a "red pill view" as they say around here.

I agree with this. Racial discussions bring out the male hamster. Everyone has their own cross to carry. I've never been White so I'm unqualified to comment on how easy/hard White people have it and the inverse it true for White people re: Blacks.

Everyone is programmed to prefer their own race. Anything like AA or EEO, like most of Western society, is designed to subvert the primal tendencies of our reptilian brain.

Thanks for the reasonable reply.

LOL at male hamster. That's probably what it really boils down to.

Now as far as what you said, I still don't necessarily agree with it. Your presented proof helps support my position.

To be utterly fair and honest, I didn't read all of Pager's thesis. I won't claim to have an answer on if job discrimination happens or not. Her methodology was problematic to me. The groups where paired by same race and were tasked out to different job applications.

For research like that to be as accurate as possible on finding how proliferating racism is, you need your control groups to be as identical as possible.

I suggest you and I both look into the Urban Institute study that she mentioned in her own thesis.
http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/1001156...nation.pdf

To repeat the same process with minutely altered methods for lesser accuracy seems like dead horse beating for the sake of a dissertation.

Post: #72

Ali knows what he's doing. He waits until his warning level drops down before crossing the line. Then he calms down for some time and repeats. He has the longest warning rap sheet out of any active member. The choice is up to him if he wants to remain a member here, but I think he has been given many chances.

Post: #73

Nek no need to apologize man. I just meant to clear up my original point with that. Damn I didn't want that to come across all pity party like.

Post: #74

First there was the needless hating on Krauser, then he drunkenly shares his Facebook and phone number on a crowded RVF chat room session (which always has trolls), now he's had a forum meltdown. Something in his life is definitely going wrong.

Post: #75

(03-27-2014 03:51 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  The post 9-11 GI Bill is bought into with wages to be available after return from deployment from what I understand. So yes Okstudies, it is highly questionable when a veteran is turned down for those benefits.

I don't think he's a post 9/11 veteran, but under the old Montgomery GI Bill or the VEAP. They had 10 year time limits and kind of complicated rules.