Post: #26

^ Froch is awesome. For all the alpha-beta debates on here, he's a fucking alpha. In interviews he comes across very well.

Post: #27

Looks like this thread was a real airball.

Quote:Floyd Mayweather Jr. has Saul "Canelo" Alvarez as his next opponent, scheduled for a Sept. 14 bout in Las Vegas. The undefeated boxer announced on Twitter Wednesday night that the fight is set and will be held at the MGM Grand.

Canelo has been "the guy" for Mayweather to fight for some time now, but was passed over for Robert Guerrero earlier in May. Mayweather (44-0, 26 KOs) easily dispatched Guerrero, winning a 12-round unanimous decision after a year's absence from the ring. Mayweather looked as though he hadn't missed any time at all, which prompted fans to clamor for a tougher challenge for him.

And at this point, Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KOs) seems to be that tougher challenge. He's never lost in the ring, though he did fight to a draw in his sixth fight. His last fight was a 12-round unanaimous decision win over Austin Trout held on April 20.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/5/29/437840...oxing-2013

Post: #28

But......

After reading this on Fightnews.com, ESPN and other sites....not ONE mention of the weight. Floyd is the WBA "Super Champion" at 154 and Canelo is the WBA "Regular Champion" at 154, but there were reports that Floyd balked at fighting Canelo at 154. Plus, I cannot imagine Canelo agreeing to fight at 147 (he comes in the ring at 170 for his 154-lb fights).

What is the weight?

Post: #29

I don't think Canelo's gonna cut to 147, but I want this to be a fair fight.
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/05/de-l...her-fight/

Post: #30

(05-21-2013 01:46 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  I just booked my flight to Las Vegas for September 12 to September 22. Regardless of what happens with regard to the negotiations between Alvarez and Mayweather, there is a 100% chance that there will be quality fighters and/or quality fights in Las Vegas on September 14. If I were to sit and around and wait for Mayweather to make an official announcement about whether he will be fighting on September 14, and if so, who he will fight, flights and hotels may quickly fill up.

It is my position that Mayweather has never ducked anyone, but if he does not agree to fight Alvarez in September, I will probably change my opinion on that matter.

Good on your for going out there for a fight weekend.

Never ducked anybody? What about Pac-Man before he took those recent losses? Ball was always in Money's court...

Post: #31

Fight is at 152

Post: #32

(05-29-2013 10:41 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  Fight is at 152

Should be interesting then.

Post: #33

(05-29-2013 10:36 PM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  Never ducked anybody? What about Pac-Man before he took those recent losses? Ball was always in Money's court...

Not this again.

"When" did he duck him?

A small case could be made that the fight should have happened in 2011, but that is a pretty small window. That doesn't take in account the business aspect.

The Business of Boxing is complicated.

Neither of them "ducked" each other.

Post: #34

(05-29-2013 10:41 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  Fight is at 152

Thanks....ESPN just expanded on the fight and listed 152.

Post: #35

About Floyd and his "ducking". The case could be made that...

At 140, he could have taken on Kostya Tszyu before Hatton came along.
At 147, he could have had Margarito when Margo was tops in the division

I won't criticize Floyd for ducking Paul Williams because personally ALL OF THE WELTERWEIGHTS ducked P-Will at 147

By the way, I am a Floyd fan.

Post: #36

I'll believe it when the contract is signed

Post: #37

(05-29-2013 11:05 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  About Floyd and his "ducking". The case could be made that...

At 140, he could have taken on Kostya Tszyu before Hatton came along.
At 147, he could have had Margarito when Margo was tops in the division

I won't criticize Floyd for ducking Paul Williams because personally ALL OF THE WELTERWEIGHTS ducked P-Will at 147

By the way, I am a Floyd fan.

I appreciate your opinion on this.

The timing of those fights was wrong.

In 2005, I don't think Floyd had the juice to make the Tszyu fight. Remember, Floyd really became "Floyd" ie the #1 draw, after the Oscar fight in 2007. If anything, a case could be made that Tszyu "ducked" Floyd. Although that didn't happen either.

No one was calling for a Tszyu VS Floyd fight back then. Although in retrospect, it would have been great.

I am not sure when the Margarito fight would have happened either.

Margarito fought Mosely and lost. That is the time it could have happened. Or if Margarito won that fight.

Instead, Mayweather fought the winner; Mosely.

Margarito has no case.

Post: #38

(05-29-2013 10:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:36 PM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  Never ducked anybody? What about Pac-Man before he took those recent losses? Ball was always in Money's court...

Not this again.

"When" did he duck him?

A small case could be made that the fight should have happened in 2011, but that is a pretty small window. That doesn't take in account the business aspect.

The Business of Boxing is complicated.

Neither of them "ducked" each other.

Pac-Man eventually relented on his stance against taking those drug tests and even told Mayweather he'd take a smaller cut in the purse.

It should have happened in 2012, then Mayweather had to go out and beat his baby mama.

Things happen and that fight is one of them.

Post: #39

(05-30-2013 12:00 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:36 PM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  Never ducked anybody? What about Pac-Man before he took those recent losses? Ball was always in Money's court...

Not this again.

"When" did he duck him?

A small case could be made that the fight should have happened in 2011, but that is a pretty small window. That doesn't take in account the business aspect.

The Business of Boxing is complicated.

Neither of them "ducked" each other.

Pac-Man eventually relented on his stance against taking those drug tests and even told Mayweather he'd take a smaller cut in the purse.

It should have happened in 2012, then Mayweather had to go out and beat his baby mama.

Things happen and that fight is one of them.

Not sure how this means Mayweather "ducked" Manny.

Post: #40

(05-30-2013 12:03 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-30-2013 12:00 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:36 PM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  Never ducked anybody? What about Pac-Man before he took those recent losses? Ball was always in Money's court...

Not this again.

"When" did he duck him?

A small case could be made that the fight should have happened in 2011, but that is a pretty small window. That doesn't take in account the business aspect.

The Business of Boxing is complicated.

Neither of them "ducked" each other.

Pac-Man eventually relented on his stance against taking those drug tests and even told Mayweather he'd take a smaller cut in the purse.

It should have happened in 2012, then Mayweather had to go out and beat his baby mama.

Things happen and that fight is one of them.

Not sure how this means Mayweather "ducked" Manny.

Manny gave Mayweather every option to say 'Yes.' He didn't. He played into Mayweather's ego and Mayweather still didn't want to fight.

Post: #41

(05-30-2013 12:05 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  Manny gave Mayweather every option to say 'Yes.' He didn't. He played into Mayweather's ego and Mayweather still didn't want to fight.

The problem was the timing of this.

He did this right before the Marquez fight.

Then lost.

He should have agreed three years ago.

Maybe Manny was "ducking" Floyd? (See how easy this is to turn around).

Again, I have called out Manny and Floyd in the last week. Maybe they are both "ducking" me?

And who says this fight won't happen in the future?

Post: #42

I thought Floyd recently put this to rest. He got him on the phone, no middlemen/promoters and managers. Just them. He offered him $40 million, with the promise to wire him half of that in a couple of days. I'm guessing this would have been Manny's biggest career payday. Manny hung up. I don't see that as Floyd ducking - Manny simply didn't like the terms and walked away. Okay, if you want to use the argument that he made Manny an offer that he knew would be refused, thus was ducking THAT way...okay, fine. But if you look at this from a business perspective, Floyd drives the promotion, not Manny. He pays his opponent. He takes the business risks. Based on that, why should he have anything approaching an even split? As far as Manny warranting an even split due to his talent and performance in the ring, there's an argument to be made there.

Oscar de la Hoya was in a similar position to Floyd, in that he made the bulk of the money on his fights due to being his own boss and handling the promotion and other issues. If his opponents wanted the fight, they had to take whatever they were getting paid, which was usually the biggest payday of their careers. Oscar fought everyone, and all of those fighters accepted the fight, because it was their biggest payday, and a chance to take the belt from one of the great fighters of the generation. Floyd was actually one of those fighters. I don't recall there ever being an issue with Oscar taking the lion's share of the loot. The other parallel between Oscar and Floyd is their hate of Arum, and Oscar actually went to court to free himself from him, and it was after that when he basically became his own boss, just like Floyd.

Post: #43

Timoteo -

Great points.

There is no "ducking" involved in these fights. It's biz. Plain and simple.

Does anyone really think that Floyd, a guy who has been boxing since the womb, is "afraid" of anyone? Come on, the guy is more comfortable in a boxing ring than anywhere on earth.

People also don't mind today that Sugar Ray Leonard dictated all the terms of the fight with Hagler. People forgot about that.

That is the luxury of being the top draw in modern boxing.

Post: #44

(05-30-2013 09:43 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  I thought Floyd recently put this to rest. He got him on the phone, no middlemen/promoters and managers. Just them. He offered him $40 million, with the promise to wire him half of that in a couple of days. I'm guessing this would have been Manny's biggest career payday. Manny hung up. I don't see that as Floyd ducking - Manny simply didn't like the terms and walked away. Okay, if you want to use the argument that he made Manny an offer that he knew would be refused, thus was ducking THAT way...okay, fine. But if you look at this from a business perspective, Floyd drives the promotion, not Manny. He pays his opponent. He takes the business risks. Based on that, why should he have anything approaching an even split? As far as Manny warranting an even split due to his talent and performance in the ring, there's an argument to be made there.

Oscar de la Hoya was in a similar position to Floyd, in that he made the bulk of the money on his fights due to being his own boss and handling the promotion and other issues. If his opponents wanted the fight, they had to take whatever they were getting paid, which was usually the biggest payday of their careers. Oscar fought everyone, and all of those fighters accepted the fight, because it was their biggest payday, and a chance to take the belt from one of the great fighters of the generation. Floyd was actually one of those fighters. I don't recall there ever being an issue with Oscar taking the lion's share of the loot. The other parallel between Oscar and Floyd is their hate of Arum, and Oscar actually went to court to free himself from him, and it was after that when he basically became his own boss, just like Floyd.

I think PacMan wouldnt take the deal because of his management. He didnt want to cross them. Some guys are puppets. I dont want to use the term but it's the only wayto describe Pac in this situation. Imagine if Pac said yes, what would Arum do? Possibly sue and drop Pacman. Would he? Naw but out of spite to Mayweather maybe.

The past is the past. Everybody has an opinion and there is no real truth. Hopefully they both look good and clear these fights so we can talk about them fight next May. Too much money to be made for them not to fight next year.

Post: #45

(05-30-2013 03:27 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  

(05-30-2013 09:43 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  I thought Floyd recently put this to rest. He got him on the phone, no middlemen/promoters and managers. Just them. He offered him $40 million, with the promise to wire him half of that in a couple of days. I'm guessing this would have been Manny's biggest career payday. Manny hung up. I don't see that as Floyd ducking - Manny simply didn't like the terms and walked away. Okay, if you want to use the argument that he made Manny an offer that he knew would be refused, thus was ducking THAT way...okay, fine. But if you look at this from a business perspective, Floyd drives the promotion, not Manny. He pays his opponent. He takes the business risks. Based on that, why should he have anything approaching an even split? As far as Manny warranting an even split due to his talent and performance in the ring, there's an argument to be made there.

Oscar de la Hoya was in a similar position to Floyd, in that he made the bulk of the money on his fights due to being his own boss and handling the promotion and other issues. If his opponents wanted the fight, they had to take whatever they were getting paid, which was usually the biggest payday of their careers. Oscar fought everyone, and all of those fighters accepted the fight, because it was their biggest payday, and a chance to take the belt from one of the great fighters of the generation. Floyd was actually one of those fighters. I don't recall there ever being an issue with Oscar taking the lion's share of the loot. The other parallel between Oscar and Floyd is their hate of Arum, and Oscar actually went to court to free himself from him, and it was after that when he basically became his own boss, just like Floyd.

I think PacMan wouldnt take the deal because of his management. He didnt want to cross them. Some guys are puppets. I dont want to use the term but it's the only wayto describe Pac in this situation. Imagine if Pac said yes, what would Arum do? Possibly sue and drop Pacman. Would he? Naw but out of spite to Mayweather maybe.

The past is the past. Everybody has an opinion and there is no real truth. Hopefully they both look good and clear these fights so we can talk about them fight next May. Too much money to be made for them not to fight next year.

That's EXACTLY why Pac hung up. Pac isn't his own boss, while Mayweather is. It would have meant cutting Arum out, and there would have been serious issues between them. At the same time, by rule, promoters can't be managers - they have a contract with a fighter to promote, but not necessarily match-make. Sure, they can advise, but fighters forget that these people are supposed to be working for THEM, not the other way around. Not every fighter has the wherewithal to handle the business aspects of their careers, so they have to rely heavily on the various characters that inhabit the business. It's difficult to really be independent of it all, because unless you're a great star, others in the business will do everything they can to cut your throat. If you're the star, and everyone has to come to you for belts, you can get fights done. But if you aren't in that position, men like Arum end up hurting fighters and costing them big fights/paydays because of their own selfish agendas.

Post: #46

(05-30-2013 03:27 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  The past is the past. Everybody has an opinion and there is no real truth. Hopefully they both look good and clear these fights so we can talk about them fight next May. Too much money to be made for them not to fight next year.

Yeah, that has been my stance.

I have no idea what happened negotiation-wise because I wasn't on the phone with them or in the room.

No one knows the truth. Both sides have a different story, so how is some guy who isn't even involved in the sport going to know what actually happened?

Next May would be a perfect chance for them to fight.

If it does happen, and Floyd wins, do you think that will silence his detractors?

Doubt it.

Post: #47

Report: Floyd Mayweather Jr. Bets $5.9 Million on Heat Over Pacers in Game 7 of Eastern Conference Finals

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-floyd-may...nals/Floyd Mayweather Jr. may have more invested in Monday night’s Heat-Pacers game than any of the players who will actually be on the court playing. That’s because Mayweather bet $5.9 million on the Heat to cover, according to Vegas Gambling Steam. The line was at -7 when Mayweather laid down the bet. So not only is the undefeated boxer looking for Miami to win, but he’s looking for them to win big. The Heat are returning home after dropping Game 6 in Indiana. Miami has lost two home games during the 2013 postseason. Of course, what’s $5.9 million to a boxer projected to earn $90 million in 2013? Well, still a ton of money.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-floyd-may...ce-finals/

Post: #48

(05-20-2013 08:03 AM)bojangles Wrote:  Mathyse smashed Peterson on Saturday, that left hook, my oh fucking my

Peterson has always been overrated. I contacted his manager once to try and make a fight and he acted like Peterson was Muhammad Ali. It doesn't surprise me he got smashed.

As far Mayweather, Alvarez is a good test for him but I think his speed and technical process will be the keys, as are often the case. Too fast for Alvarez and while I like the Mexican against just about anyone else, Mayweather is simply too good.

Pacquiao is done at the A-level. Maybe he'll eek out another victory or two but he's on the serious slide and it ain't going uphill.

Post: #49

Quote:Froch is awesome. For all the alpha-beta debates on here, he's a fucking alpha. In interviews he comes across very well.

+1. His wife is a solid 9.

Post: #50

(06-03-2013 06:18 PM)Gator Wrote:  

Quote:Froch is awesome. For all the alpha-beta debates on here, he's a fucking alpha. In interviews he comes across very well.

+1. His wife is a solid 9.

Wearing a Suit (tux).

Must be a Beta.