Post: #51

Again misinterpreting my tone as a 21 year old "angry" person, I do not raise my tone in angwr because to me that is equivalent to crying for a man. For someone who works in sales whatever that means in your profession, ignoring the stated facts I have placed is absurd. You're really going to go to bat and say warm leads are harder? No one with half a Brian is going to believe that.

Instead of reading the text as drivel the point is simple closing a cold lead takes more work. That is all I'm attempting to convey. Simply replace any text with long conversation compared to short conversation.

@Sucio In terms of improving looks you can do this for years, I'm still working on it just like every other aspect in my life. Generally, most guys don't have the faintest idea on what to do to improve and can usually just take a tape measure and look at their skin tone and improve within a day or so.

Post: #52

(04-29-2013 10:11 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:01 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 07:19 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  Go re-read the thread. I already explained you can learn from anyone.

I really don't have time for this nonsense, if people are going to ignore the incredibly obvious fact that being attractive makes sales easier (not just sex but products as well) that's straight up embarrassing.

Thank you for wasting my time and the career advice.

No need to get angry.

You really are high strung for a 21 year old.

Go have some fun. Smoke a joint or something. Lay off the spread sheets and stressing about saving money all the time.

Maybe go to the beach or something. Go pick up a girl (just don't under any circumstances use the Game you detailed on here).

If anything, we should all be pissed at you for writing this:

(04-28-2013 10:13 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Here's my Friday night:

Me:(Open)
Her: what?
Me: repeat
Her: Oh yeah my dad is blank. (Head turn)
Me: ramble until contact is made where she will engage again
Her: cool.
Me: another diatribe.
Her "ohh really blah blah... Full sentence"
Me: short sentence
Her: long sentence followed by "I need to check my coat"
Me: (realize her friend thinks I'm not a "good catch")
Me: chat up friend till she likes me as a "possible friend" get her to laugh + joke.
Me: "gotta go grab a drink" (leave before friend comes back)
(Now have 5-10 minutes to open up a reasonably attractive girl + game + have both girls chit chat if I am "up to par")
Me and new set, set starts laughing. I'm in with group 1 for sure for at least the next 20.
Back and forth we go.
Me: return back to girl 1, now she gives me a smile instead of screening the crowd. Run game again... Move around club etc etc. start making out. "Oh my god you're totally not my type, I don't understand"... So forth.

That was the biggest bunch of drivel I have seen since the pen and paper were first invented.

But I am not mad at you.

I am cool like that.

And your welcome.

Jeez WC what the hell is that crap? I'm starting to think you're an "over thinker" you need to relax maybe take a vacation to a poor place and live simple for a few weeks.

Yeah, that is my advice too.

Maybe he needs a few days to decompress.

A little sun, and some ocean would be my prescription and he should be back in action in no time.

Post: #53

(04-29-2013 10:05 AM)houston Wrote:  

(04-28-2013 10:12 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  This thread should be called.. " Cali sucks for pussy and we're turning into haters"

Why can't I give you another rep point?

I've been here over two years and can recall reading maybe three lay reports from our Westside brothers unless they leave the country.

The place just does something to a man. I had to leave that place. I couldn't stand talking to dudes there. In my experience New Englaners are not received well the dudes are just too pussified, I can remember people constantly telling me about myself and being two-faced. The kind of female behavior that gets you smacked in the face where I came from.

They don't know it because it's normal to them. But look at OG a few weeks ago he was hating on short ugly Mexican and Euro dudes for pulling in Mexico now it's the Goodlooking people in Cali. The problem is you can't be yourself out west because everybody's fake. You have to create a fake "yourself" to be accepted amongst the other fakers. Where as us New Englaners are just balls to the wall and shun this shit. Good luck out there if you get smart one day and leave that shit hole think back to my post here.

Your welcome

Post: #54

Continuing to avoid my point and using age/location is retarded. I currently have a 5 deep rotation and will happily shore up photos for anyone I meet. I have no problems with my sex life. I do have a problem with stupidity though.

You don't see me complaining about my sex life.

Point stands, hot/warm leads are easier to close. This is something anyone can understand.

Post: #55

If the guys are from Toronto, I don't think it matters tall and good looking they are.

Look at Mystery. The guys is 6'5" and while maybe not stunningly handsome he certainly isn't ugly.

Post: #56

Everyone here keeps spelling it "your".

It's "you're"

Post: #57

I thought wrong spelling was alpha and a great way of showing you aren`t really that interested!

Post: #58

Ok crazy conspiracy theory. What if the GManifesto is.... wait for it.... a Woman! Dun dun dun

Yea I know crazy but wait a second, hear me out.

The thing that tipped me off is 'his' arguing style. I was thinking what does this remind me of, off course trying to have a rational argument with a woman. You will be all rational trying to get your point over and she will be all over the map taking about anything except the point at hand, case in point:

Westcoast: warm leads are better than cold leads
GSisterfesto: look at this drivel that Westcoast just posted, possibly the worst thing on the forum since 1923
Westcoast: warm leads are better than cold leads
GSisterfesto: you need to get down to the beach, chillax and work on your tan
Westcoast: WARM LEADS ARE BETTER THAN COLD LEADS
GSisterfesto: you need to add a cigarette and pocket squares to your arsenal.
Westcoast: potential meltdown imminent

Ok that is clue one, clue two the memory like an elephant who else has this but chicks. You're arguing about taking the garbage out and all of sudden she's talking about how you didn't get her a card on her birthday 3 years ago. GSista has a complete file on every prominent member that 'he' will pull at a moment's notice, 'oh yeah what's that Neil? I remember 12 months ago in this thread you were acting like a little whiny beeatch'

Point 3 Fashion - who loves fashion more than the ladies?

So GSista is obviously a high level sleeper implant from a far thinking and far reaching feminist group who spotted the early potential of Roosh and his growing fame and powers we should all be made aware of this dangerous threat and act accordingly.

Post: #59

Post: #60

Great theory Galouse but you reversed the order.

Westcoast first talked about how I posted the worst thing ever because he was angry at me for being "mean" to him.

And we were never talking about warm vs cold leads.

And your second point falls apart because I can't ever remember anything of value you have written.

Who are you again?

Point three falls apart because I don't even use the word "fashion". Girls do. And I guess you do as well. Nice redirection.

So we just found out that Galouse is a girl. Let these gay guys talk on here and they always "out" themselves. Some quicker than others.

Men use the word "Style", for future reference.

Great diss. Hats off. To bad it had no merit.

Westcoast is the one we need to be worried about.

Here are some more examples of how he lost his mind:

(04-29-2013 10:25 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  I currently have a 5 deep rotation and will happily shore up photos for anyone I meet.

What?

When were we talking about his "rotation".

(04-29-2013 10:25 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  I have no problems with my sex life.

Huh?

When were we talking about his sex life?

Why are you defending this to me?

(04-29-2013 10:25 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  You don't see me complaining about my sex life.

Seems like you are defending it for no reason.

This is starting to get bizarre.

(04-29-2013 10:12 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  No one with half a Brian is going to believe that.

What?

"Brian" that republican guy on the forum?

What the hell are you talking about?

Post: #61

I guess I will post it for the 50th time.

Being attractive as a man makes it more likely when you hit on a girl that she is open to your approach = warm lead

Being ugly as a man makes it more likely when you hit on a girl that she is not open to your initial approach = cold lead

Warm is easier than cold.

Embarrassing attempt to derail again though. Made that statement because you and el mech were obviously attacking me telling me I need to chill out and get laid more by going to a poor country. Unlike you i have been vouched in person in real life and again am volunteering my presence with photos and i sound suspicious?

Come on man, you have some great advice but you're in the wrong here. I have no doubt you are a man and live in south beach or whatever the fuck but the above attack on my "suspicious" come back which is validated by real life meet ups is downright wrong and insulting.

But please continue to focus on typos and meaningless dribble and ignore the same sales point.

Warm > cold.

Finally, the attack on rep points is also stupid, if someone attacked like you do with no validation for their lifestyle out of the gate after joining the forum... They would be banned immediately. Hell I even got heat for my life so I framed myself as a 21 y/o investment banking analyst, may as well feed the belief system.

Post: #62

Alright guys, let's not flame each other. For christ sake's, this shit is pathetic. Stick to the issue at hand. OGNorCal raised a legitmate question:

Should a man take advice from someone better looking, or richer, or more famous than he is?

And the answer is it depends. Everyone is forgetting an important nuance here. That nuance is passive game vs. active game. While a good looking guy may have strong passive value, this is independent from his "in-field" game skills.

For men with high passive value, such as having fame, riches, or good looks, one must hold them to higher standards in order to determine if their active game is something to incorporate into your own active game.

So, if a guy who tall and handsome and is an objective "9," but he only bangs 6 or below, you know his game sucks. But if a guy is a 6 and smashes 7's, you know his game is strong.

Likewise, if a dude is rich like Zuckerburg but marries an ugly Asian, you know his game is non-existant. But if a dude looks like a bum but smashes Congressmen's daughters, you know his game is strong.

Get it? You need to compare his passive value relative to the kinds of girls a man fucks in order to judge if his game is good or not. You also need to examine how many girls he can get in a short period of time, how well he operates in field, etc. relative to his passive value.

So, if a man is good looking but gets tons and tons of hot chicks all the time, then you would be a fool not to take advice from him. Don't just ignore a man merely because he's better looking than you. That's fucking dumb and being a hater.

As for your friend, OGNorCal...

Quote:Also, hearing my bro give out game advice or discuss game tactics is fucking hilarious. He has repeatedly said that it's "best not to approach chicks" and just chill back and act mysterious and aloof and let women come to you. Now this works for him, but it's just about the worst advice you can give the average guy. I try to make the point to him, that I've been the wallflower who chilled at the end of the bar and didn't open his mouth the whole night, but that cute girl never stumbled up to me and started a conversation with me, that led to sex. I litterally went months upon months, reaching into years without sex, before I discovered game.

A dude whose only advice is to "not approach" is fucking retardedly weak game. It's obvious here he's coasting off his looks.

In this case, you shouldn't take advice. Approaching girls is better than not approaching, end of story. I've never met a true player who doesn't approach high volume of girls.

Even famous men, such as George Clooney, are hurting themselves if they do not approach. Sure, they'll get laid with beautiful women, but he'd get even better if he had better game.

A great example is Jack Nicholson - he's an approach monkey. He's fucked hundreds of the world's most beautiful/famous women, and he's a short ugly little troll. He's got zero shame and approaches women whenever and wherever he wants. I've even read reports of him going to a woman's house under the pretense of returning a lost item to some girl just so he could game them and fuck them. That's good game regardless of whether or not he is famous or not.

Post: #63

(04-29-2013 10:22 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:05 AM)houston Wrote:  

(04-28-2013 10:12 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  This thread should be called.. " Cali sucks for pussy and we're turning into haters"

Why can't I give you another rep point?

They don't know it because it's normal to them. But look at OG a few weeks ago he was hating on short ugly Mexican and Euro dudes for pulling in Mexico now it's the Goodlooking people in Cali.

Your welcome

Damn, calling me out for being a hater. You have a point about how I was acting in Mexico, but in my mind I was just calling it like I saw it, reality isn't always that positive and optimistic. As far as "hating on good looking people in Cali" that's a complete load of B.S. I don't know why you interpret it as hating I'm just stating facts.

I got no hate from my "tall handsome" friend, but it does piss me off when he brags, talks shit, and tries to "one up" me when it comes to the respective girls him and I pull. I am certainly NOT saying that I have top notch game, because I don't, but I have spent enough time in the trenches and studying seduction to know what game is. I know the difference between using game to build attraction, and having attraction straight from the get go.

My tall handsome friend has girls swooning over him from the get, and gets pussy thrown at him. I'd imagine you of all people would know what that's like, I've never seen you in person, but I highly doubt girls are throwing their pussies at you.

El Mech, I definitely got mad respect for you, but I think you're a little off the mark here. Anyways, should you ever want to roll out to the NorCal coast it would be interesting to wing with you. We can hit the bars with my tall handsome friend and we'll see if your matrix level game and swagger can compete with my friends looks and height.

Post: #64

Who has to work harder for pussy El Mech or Fisto? I would be curious to see how their numbers and quality match up? Although I'm sure their difference in looks made absolutely no difference, because we all know that looks don't matter for shit. All that matters is game, right? Am I being a hater right now?

Post: #65

(04-29-2013 12:56 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Who has to work harder for pussy El Mech or Fisto? I would be curious to see how their numbers and quality match up? Although I'm sure their difference in looks made absolutely no difference, because we all know that looks don't matter for shit. All that matters is game, right? Am I being a hater right now?

Read my post above, OGNor. Then you'll have your answer. Who pulls hotter women relative to their passive value?

Post: #66

(04-29-2013 12:59 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:56 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Who has to work harder for pussy El Mech or Fisto? I would be curious to see how their numbers and quality match up? Although I'm sure their difference in looks made absolutely no difference, because we all know that looks don't matter for shit. All that matters is game, right? Am I being a hater right now?

Read my post above, OGNor. Then you'll have your answer. Who pulls hotter women relative to their passive value?

This is pretty much the point I have been making the whole thread.

In a club cold approach the only thing you've got is money, status, looks and game. If you are equal in cash money and status... Well you're better off choosing the uglier guy to listen to if the quality is equal.

But instead it continues to be diverted into flame wars of west versus east (which I never take part in) and stupid comments about my authenticity from a guy who has been verified zero times. This is a joke right?

Warm > Cold I'm done with this obvious truth and broken record.

Post: #67

(04-29-2013 12:59 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:56 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Who has to work harder for pussy El Mech or Fisto? I would be curious to see how their numbers and quality match up? Although I'm sure their difference in looks made absolutely no difference, because we all know that looks don't matter for shit. All that matters is game, right? Am I being a hater right now?

Read my post above, OGNor. Then you'll have your answer. Who pulls hotter women relative to their passive value?

Excellent point, my friend would most likely be objectively rated a 9 by most women (10 if he hit the gym and ripped up), he normally pulls 7-8 caliber who throw pussy at him. I objectively would rate myself a 7, but I use game to normally pull girls in the 6-7 range.

I guess we kind of stack up comparative to our "passive value", only difference is my friend gets pussy thrown, while I have to work like a dog approaching.

If my friend learned game, dude would be unstoppable, as of right now he gets laid like a champ, but his quality and quantity is still no where close to where it would be if he actually approached and used game.

Some guys may find it hard to believe that he doesn't approach and still gets laid like that, but he's got to be in the top 5% of men in terms of looks, not your run of the mill above average handsome guy.

Post: #68

(04-29-2013 12:56 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Who has to work harder for pussy El Mech or Fisto? I would be curious to see how their numbers and quality match up? Although I'm sure their difference in looks made absolutely no difference, because we all know that looks don't matter for shit. All that matters is game, right? Am I being a hater right now?

I'm on a different level. None of this applies to me.

Post: #69

I can only think of maybe ten times I've hooked up with a girl who wasn't receptive/attracted to me, and I won her over from being dead cold with "game".

All my other bangs (the huge majority) I was able to tell the woman was physically attracted to me (or her friends told me) and all I had to do was run FAG (fuckup avoidance game).

Post: #70

(04-29-2013 01:12 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:59 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:56 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Who has to work harder for pussy El Mech or Fisto? I would be curious to see how their numbers and quality match up? Although I'm sure their difference in looks made absolutely no difference, because we all know that looks don't matter for shit. All that matters is game, right? Am I being a hater right now?

Read my post above, OGNor. Then you'll have your answer. Who pulls hotter women relative to their passive value?

Excellent point, my friend would most likely be objectively rated a 9 by most women (10 if he hit the gym and ripped up), he normally pulls 7-8 caliber who throw pussy at him. I objectively would rate myself a 7, but I use game to normally pull girls in the 6-7 range.

I guess we kind of stack up comparative to our "passive value", only difference is my friend gets pussy thrown, while I have to work like a dog approaching.

If my friend learned game, dude would be unstoppable, as of right now he gets laid like a champ, but his quality and quantity is still no where close to where it would be if he actually approached and used game.

Some guys may find it hard to believe that he doesn't approach and still gets laid like that, but he's got to be in the top 5% of men in terms of looks, not your run of the mill above average handsome guy.

Trust me I know how easy it is if you're the top in anything.

Post: #71

This thread should be called "The West Coast Guys Cat Fighting".








There's G suited down.

Post: #72

Since you have taken so many pot shots at me in the past for being a "WestCoast pussy" lets have you and fisto hit on a 7 at the same time, no brainer who she's going to choose. I see your point on not giving a fuck and being able to pull on "another level" but that's degrading his point on passive value.

Also waiting in on the G to come back and "bitch slap me around". (Tick tock). Unlike the other guys on here I have no problems standing up to higher ranked people if they are dolling out bullshit. As I stated above if someone came out with the same claims as the G with zero rep points and was telling the truth he would be banned in 1 second.

(04-29-2013 01:28 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:56 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Who has to work harder for pussy El Mech or Fisto? I would be curious to see how their numbers and quality match up? Although I'm sure their difference in looks made absolutely no difference, because we all know that looks don't matter for shit. All that matters is game, right? Am I being a hater right now?

I'm on a different level. None of this applies to me.

Post: #73

(04-29-2013 11:32 AM)soup Wrote:  Everyone here keeps spelling it "your".

It's "you're"

Your a retard.

Post: #74

I was at a pool party with a guy who is 6'8" and looks like a Greek god. That's not even an exaggeration.

People stop to take his picture like he's a celebrity. Even guys turn their head - not out of a sexual attraction but more out of disbelief.

A hot/stacked blonde walked over towards our day bed, stopped in her tracks, "Are you for real!?" Then she looks at me, "No offense to you, but this guy...doesn't even look real."

He could have walked her back to his apartment within 30 seconds of meeting her.

Girls just flocked by all day.

Very cool guy, but he has nothing about game to teach me. He's simply on a different, cosmic level that mortals can't reach.

You gotta experience it to get it, I guess, but it really is mind blowing.

In fact, it's so easy for him that his closet friend is another Adonis. They hang out with each other because, "It's nice to be able to go out with a guy who isn't trying to meet women all of the time."

When I said, "Well, you guys have it easy. You can go out and not try to meet women because you can meet women at your whim," they stared at me blankly and it just didn't register how privileged they are.

So they really are so heads in the clouds that they don't get what it's like for even an above average man.

Post: #75

(04-29-2013 01:31 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  I can only think of maybe ten times I've hooked up with a girl who wasn't receptive/attracted to me, and I won her over from being dead cold with "game".

All my other bangs (the huge majority) I was able to tell the woman was physically attracted to me (or her friends told me) and all I had to do was run FAG (fuckup avoidance game).

This is the only point I've been trying to make all along. I'd love to know if there's any guy in here who gets the majority of his bangs from women that were initially indifferent.

Mechanio, there may be something to the complaints you hear from west coast guys. The West has the worst sex ratio in the country. This leads to an abundance mentality in women which in turn raises bitch shields and flakiness. Plus you have a lot of fucking guys running game around here. Cute girls I know from out of town are constantly being approached and complimented in the street when they are alone. Even though they weren't approached nearly as much back in their home towns. My sister was delighted about how much she was constantly hit on in LA compared to where she lives. And always managed to meet some guy within days when she was here on vacation. For women, Cali must be a cock paradise.