Post: #1

I have to admit that once upon a time I was not attracted to oriental Asian women. None whatsoever. To me they were simply ugly, and not worth my time and attention. And that was that.

Until I moved to oriental Asia proper at which point the profound cultural difference and immersion became so great, and the beauty of local women revealed itself to me in all its vast glory, that I simply forgot that the western women ever existed. It was that simple.

And the very same thing happened to my western expat male friends. All of them were engulfed by a yellow fever so strong that we hardly acknowledged, let alone cared about the tons of single, horny western expat women in our midst.

Which brings me to another point,

single western expat women (in their 20s and 30s) who work and live in that part of the world are invisible to single western expat men.

Take that to the bank folks.

Why?

Because, unlike us, western women there have no options. They are not attracted to local men because they perceive them as being too beta, too weak, too uninteresting (and it doesn't help that local men are too intimated to approach them). On the other hand, western men are so enamored by local women that all they want is a variety of them. Once you have this fever it's nothing quite like it. If you ever want to see an apocalyptic feminist scenario go and hang out in expat social circles in oriental Asia (or go to any expat bar in Beijing, Hangzhou, Osaka, etc.) There's something so satisfying in seeing otherwise self-entitled western feminist vampire cunts so de-clawed, so de-fanged, so desperate in their lonely, frustrated misery.

So, ironically, if you want to slay frustrated western pussy by all means head over to China and Japan. It is a beneficial market and time like no other. But kid yourself not, if you are there for a long term you will be bitten by a yellow fever bug sooner than you can possibly think, and when you do will not look back. (Biology? Nature making us more adaptable, ensuring that we will be happy pollinating other flowers if necessary?)

Anyway, back to my main topic,

so yes, since I've been bitten by yellow fever bug my outlook has changed 180. I am now simply a distinguished connoisseur of exquisite oriental pussy. While there are plenty of cultural and ethnic differences between different countries in that region, my experience and insight re-confirms what many other western men have taught us about oriental women:

1. They are thin and have great skin (for starters they don't stuff their faces with a garbage their western counterparts do).

2. They age well.

3. They can be extraordinarily pretty. Certain Chinese and certain Japanese-eurasian looks are among the world's prettiest types.

4. They are family oriented and are generally respectful toward their mates (the latter is culturally conditioned).

5. They are too easy.

And that's all you need to know.

Now, as far as them being too easy, I don't mean to suggest that it will be like a walk in the park, wait, maybe I do?

What I am saying is that like nowhere else in the world things in that part of the world can proceed at dizzying speed. Why? Because women there don't feel self-entitled and aren't spinning the hamster wheel. They are incredibly realistic and pragmatic, and a well-put together western man still holds a great value among great many oriental women. Besides, things are still a bit raw, and any opportunity to claim their own "value man" for themselves will lead them to be very open and receptive to your advances, and in many cases quite pro-active about it.

In other words, if an oriental woman digs you -- you will likely know about it in no time. What that means is that she will not waste her time on "frivolous" things like courtship, dates and sex. If the initial attractive is mutual she will claim you as her boyfriend before even sleeping with you (poor you), and that often means even within minutes of meeting you. "I like you, you like me, wanna be my boyfriend?"-kinda deal. Like for example you go out to a cafe for a midday coffee, and come out of it with a girlfriend none the wiser.

From a western viewpoint there's something so refreshingly raw, something both innocent and adult-like, when two people are free to establishing a (sexual) relationship that quick and that easy (and without any accompanying b.s.) Isn't that how it should be in any perfect non-matrix world that adheres to biological reality (one that is more beneficial to male personality traits)? The two adults instantly agreeing to their momentary raw feelings as opposed to processing them through the ritual of courtship which itself is so loaded/tainted with various sociocultural signifiers that not only negatively characterize, but eventually determine its outcome as such.

One of the greatest letdowns of my life happened when I returned back to the west, and had to accept putting up with the western bitches again.

Post: #2

I forced myself to fapp to asians in preparation for my south east asia trip. I got really into it and can easily tell japanese chicks apart due to their at times pretty shocking bushes and the fact they seem to whimper like babies when they are getting fucked. Also i was surprised but there isn't a whole lot of thai porn on the go bar your ladyboys its a really barren search.

A lot of guys say they don't like asian chick because they are ass men. I call bullshit you can be an ass man and still love asians just not a fat ass man. Head to the ghetto for that sort of thing. Google asian teen anal and make sure it isn't censored. How can guys not appreciate that. Have you ever seen such a petite yet shapely, soft and smooth looking ass before. How can men deny themselves the far east's gifts?

Post: #3

Fat white chicks can't buy dick in Bangkok. Love seeing them at expat bars, fat, dressed like shit, frumpy hair, and just clamoring for attention while getting shutout by Thai chicks all night. Like a buncha wildebeasts stampeding around.

Post: #4

(11-30-2012 12:35 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Fat white chicks can't buy dick in Bangkok. Love seeing them at expat bars, fat, dressed like shit, frumpy hair, and just clamoring for attention while getting shutout by Thai chicks all night. Like a buncha wildebeasts stampeding around.

I would like to witness this one day.

Post: #5

You are right about the "girlfriend" thing. I got introduced as my date's "boyfriend" at her work today (see thread "Thailand challenge") and I haven't had sex with her nor does it seem likely I will in the near future...

Post: #6

Oh oh oh oh ooooo, Roosh's China girl.

Great post Gaston. When I was diving in Cebu, a fatty white American girl came along (she was planning on starting some kind of school). I felt some pity for her, b/c what man would want her in an endless sea of cute and petite pinays...not sure if she realized that.

Post: #7

I challenge any man to fuck 20 asian girls in a row and not feel yellow fever.

Post: #8

(11-30-2012 12:35 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Fat white chicks can't buy dick in Bangkok. Love seeing them at expat bars, fat, dressed like shit, frumpy hair, and just clamoring for attention while getting shutout by Thai chicks all night. Like a buncha wildebeasts stampeding around.

What are they doing there? Vacation?

Post: #9

I had my yellow fever the moment I arrived there. More so afterwards.

The western women don't have to be fat in order not to get any action. Often times are regular 6s and 7s that would otherwise have a number of suitors knocking on their doors. It's not like in BKK or Cebu or Phuket other similar places overrun with all sorts of western tourists/backpackers/travelers. In those places western women may have diminished options, but they still have some. Including to pick up and leave whenever they want.

I'm talking about cities where only westerners are those living there on an expat salary package in return working for various European and North American companies (some cities have quite a few of those, so the scene would be relatively vibrant, if only the guys were interested). This is what I mean when I say "expat" (often times that term is applied liberally to mean anyone western who is overseas). There are also a few western English teachers here and there, and an odd western entrepreneur-adventurer/wheeler-dealer or two roughing it out solo. That's it. No regular tourists, no backpackers, no whoremongers. For those reasons I wouldn't be lumping Thai and Philippines situations together with those in China and Japan. You haven't really seen a western woman doomed until you see her at an after work mixer at an expat bar in a gritty, polluted, depressing, second-tier shithole Chinese city, in late November. Her western social circle is uninterested in her. And she's not interested in local men because chances are she's bigger than them. And unlike in Phuket or Cebu there are no casual travelers, and she can't just leave and go anywhere. She lives there. She works there. 10 hours a day. And now her feet are killing her.

(11-30-2012 01:14 PM)Menace Wrote:  I felt some pity for her, b/c what man would want her in an endless sea of cute and petite pinays...not sure if she realized that.

Oh do they ever! Their antennas are calibrated for that sort of thing and they will know it as soon as they sense that the world (at least in that location) doesn't revolve around them anymore. Some of them may initially be too stupid or too delusional or to unwilling to grasp the new reality, but when they do, brother, talking about crashing hard.

Post: #10

(11-30-2012 02:39 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  What are they doing there? Vacation?

The ones on the islands or partying at Khao San Road are on vacation. The ones in the expat bars in Silom generally are working there. Teachin English mostly I would assume. Not sure, I don't talk to them much lol.

Post: #11

I don't know - I think this concept gets blown up a bit and is a matter of perception.

Sure, they don't get as much attention by any means, but western women still get a lot of dick in Asia. Consider all the backpackers from Europe and America who aren't interested in Thai women because they haven't been there long enough. Some of the long-termers even sleep with and date with the Thai guys who hang out at rasta bars and backpacker bars - these types are usually used to foreign women and unintimidated.

If you go to the beach parties on the islands they often have nothing but Europeans and Aussies partying their assess off and sleeping with each other - with little fraternization with the locals.

I also traveled extensively with a good-looking American woman and a super-hot Australian - both blondes. Each had tons of Western guys hitting on them. The petite and hot Australian even had Thai guys in some of the plushest clubs absolutely droooooling themselves.

I even met a heffer who was getting banged out by a Laos guy - she told me they fawned over her and said she was beautiful because she was so white (maybe he was using her for her money? lol). The change is enough for them to notice the difference, especially if they have bad hygiene, but any half-decent girl won't be sleeping alone any time soon.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #12

(11-30-2012 03:08 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I don't know - I think this concept gets blown up a bit and is a matter of perception.

Sure, they don't get as much attention by any means, but western women still get a lot of dick in Asia. Consider all the backpackers from Europe and America who aren't interested in Thai women because they haven't been there long enough. Some of the long-termers even sleep with and date with the Thai guys who hang out at rasta bars and backpacker bars - these types are usually used to foreign women and unintimidated.

If you go to the beach parties on the islands they often have nothing but Europeans and Aussies partying their assess off and sleeping with each other - with little fraternization with the locals.

I also traveled extensively with a good-looking American woman and a super-hot Australian - both blondes. Each had tons of Western guys hitting on them. The petite and hot Australian even had Thai guys in some of the plushest clubs absolutely droooooling themselves.

I even met a heffer who was getting banged out by a Laos guy - she told me they fawned over her and said she was beautiful because she was so white (maybe he was using her for her money? lol). The change is enough for them to notice the difference, especially if they have bad hygiene, but any half-decent girl won't be sleeping alone any time soon.

There is a lot of truth in this. I just get so carried away making fun of white girls that I can't help myself.

I will say, the quality of Western chicks in BKK is very low. Of course there are models and such there, but I think SEA draws pretty undesirable backpacker/traveler chicks in general. I would think Europe gets a better class of girls traveling there, but I haven't been in 10 years, so can't say.

Post: #13

(11-30-2012 03:08 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I don't know - I think this concept gets blown up a bit and is a matter of perception.

Sure, they don't get as much attention by any means, but western women still get a lot of dick in Asia. Consider all the backpackers from Europe and America who aren't interested in Thai women because they haven't been there long enough. Some of the long-termers even sleep with and date with the Thai guys who hang out at rasta bars and backpacker bars - these types are usually used to foreign women and unintimidated.

If you go to the beach parties on the islands they often have nothing but Europeans and Aussies partying their assess off and sleeping with each other - with little fraternization with the locals.

I also traveled extensively with a good-looking American woman and a super-hot Australian - both blondes. Each had tons of Western guys hitting on them. The petite and hot Australian even had Thai guys in some of the plushest clubs absolutely droooooling themselves.

I even met a heffer who was getting banged out by a Laos guy - she told me they fawned over her and said she was beautiful because she was so white (maybe he was using her for her money? lol). The change is enough for them to notice the difference, especially if they have bad hygiene, but any half-decent girl won't be sleeping alone any time soon.

You obviously wrote and posted this after my previous post.

Yes, guys, let's make a clear distinction between the casual western travelers in far Asia, and those western men and women who are living and working there professionally.

I would go as far as to say that there's vast difference between "continental" far east Asia and "(sub)tropical" one. In women and in experiences. Even southern China is different from its northern/colder parts.

In fact, I'd be extremely keen to hear experiences from other westerners living long term in holly far Asian triumvirate -- China, Japan, Korea.

Post: #14

Quote:single western expat women (in their 20s and 30s) who work and live in that part of the world are invisible to single western expat men.

Knowing this can be a goldmine in Asia. I would exploit this in Tokyo to some degree, and it was funny that my expat friends could barely even see western women any more. They were, as you said, invisible.

In Tokyo, there are a lot of western women who go there for the work, as the money is still really good in some industries, mainly anything that has to do with advertising. If a girl is half Japanese and half Caucasian and pretty, modeling is a good payout.

If any guys are in Tokyo and still like meeting hot western women, there are a few areas to go. The huge advertising agencies like Dentsu in Shiodome are good places. There are lots of international businesses and the beer gardens after work are killer. Same for Shinbashi.

In another thread I mentioned Akasaka, where I did exceptionally well last year when I was in Tokyo. The Hotel New Otani overlooking the palace gardens had lots of amazing hot western women going there for castings and lunch meetings with Japanese execs.

Quote: In fact, I'd be extremely keen to hear experiences from other westerners living long term in holly far Asian triumvirate -- China, Japan, Korea.

I agree you certainly have to separate the travelers from the people living there. I never really met any travelers in Tokyo or Shanghai, most of the westerners lived there. As far as women are concerned, I found the playing field in Shanghai (2008) to be a bit better than Tokyo in some regards. Chinese girls are going through a sexual revolution and are able to use sex as a massive advantage, so as a western guy use this to your advantage.

Girls in Tokyo, for the most part, are quite sweet. I still find it incredibly hard to walk out on a sad Japanese girl. Its a struggle.... they treat me so well.

Post: #15

Great writeup. I've always loved asian women, never had to acclimate. The hottest women I've ever seen have all been full or mixed asian.

And I've never been. It's driving me nuts. I'm going to put in at least a full year at my current job and then seriously look into finding a chef's job in Singapore or somewhere that could serve as a convenient "home base" to SE Asia.

On that note, to the guys who have travelled around SE Asia, if you could live, or have lived there for a year, where would be the best place as a home base? I'd assume Singapore for myself because:

1) ample job opportunities
2) safe
3) English speaking
4) It's what, a couple hours flight to Thailand, Vietnam, and Phils?

Post: #16

(11-30-2012 07:07 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Great writeup. I've always loved asian women, never had to acclimate. The hottest women I've ever seen have all been full or mixed asian.

And I've never been. It's driving me nuts. I'm going to put in at least a full year at my current job and then seriously look into finding a chef's job in Singapore or somewhere that could serve as a convenient "home base" to SE Asia.

On that note, to the guys who have travelled around SE Asia, if you could live, or have lived there for a year, where would be the best place as a home base? I'd assume Singapore for myself because:

1) ample job opportunities
2) safe
3) English speaking
4) It's what, a couple hours flight to Thailand, Vietnam, and Phils?

I have my eye on Taiwan. Cheaper and, presumably, more exciting than Singapore - though I've always had the feeling Singapore might be underrated as well. Not sure about the opporunities for chefs in Taiwan - probably easier in Singapore due to English.

As an aside, Thedude, do you know anything about the Le Cordon Beu school in Bangkok? Feel free to pm if you don't want to derail the thread.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #17

I have a buddy, American, who has worked as a chef at several restaurants in BKK. I'm not sure what he got paid, but it seems that there is work opportunities for Western chefs there.

I also met a guy who works as a chef in Beijing I believe it was. May have been Shanghai. Trained Jiu Jitsu a few times with a different dude who was a chef in Vientiane, Lao.

I haven't been to Singapore, but I hear it isn't that much fun and isn't a great place for girls. Might not be worth it to base yourself out of there unless the money was good.

Post: #18

(11-30-2012 07:22 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:07 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Great writeup. I've always loved asian women, never had to acclimate. The hottest women I've ever seen have all been full or mixed asian.

And I've never been. It's driving me nuts. I'm going to put in at least a full year at my current job and then seriously look into finding a chef's job in Singapore or somewhere that could serve as a convenient "home base" to SE Asia.

On that note, to the guys who have travelled around SE Asia, if you could live, or have lived there for a year, where would be the best place as a home base? I'd assume Singapore for myself because:

1) ample job opportunities
2) safe
3) English speaking
4) It's what, a couple hours flight to Thailand, Vietnam, and Phils?

I have my eye on Taiwan. Cheaper and, presumably, more exciting than Singapore - though I've always had the feeling Singapore might be underrated as well. Not sure about the opporunities for chefs in Taiwan - probably easier in Singapore due to English.

As an aside, Thedude, do you know anything about the Le Cordon Beu school in Bangkok? Feel free to pm if you don't want to derail the thread.

I'm pretty outspoken about advising people against cooking school.

The cost vs. results is simply outrageous. You will be making $10-$12 an hour for the first 3 years out of school and the current going rate for the Cordon Bleu is anywhere from $50,000-$70,000. I know way too many grads who are severely in debt and won't be paying it off for the next 25 years.

That said, I myself went, but when I went it was $32K a year and I put 8K down so my debt wasn't too bad and I paid it off in a few years.

I DO recommend some sort of culinary program through any number of trade schools or even community college. I know many chefs that took that route. Spent a few grand and still got their associates degree. All you really need are basics, like knife technique, knowing how to execute a recipe, some basic kitchen techniques, and the rest is all experience. Experience is by far the most attractive factor in hiring employees, and it's also the top factor in progressing your skills as quickly as possible.

Post: #19

(11-30-2012 09:04 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:22 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:07 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Great writeup. I've always loved asian women, never had to acclimate. The hottest women I've ever seen have all been full or mixed asian.

And I've never been. It's driving me nuts. I'm going to put in at least a full year at my current job and then seriously look into finding a chef's job in Singapore or somewhere that could serve as a convenient "home base" to SE Asia.

On that note, to the guys who have travelled around SE Asia, if you could live, or have lived there for a year, where would be the best place as a home base? I'd assume Singapore for myself because:

1) ample job opportunities
2) safe
3) English speaking
4) It's what, a couple hours flight to Thailand, Vietnam, and Phils?

I have my eye on Taiwan. Cheaper and, presumably, more exciting than Singapore - though I've always had the feeling Singapore might be underrated as well. Not sure about the opporunities for chefs in Taiwan - probably easier in Singapore due to English.

As an aside, Thedude, do you know anything about the Le Cordon Beu school in Bangkok? Feel free to pm if you don't want to derail the thread.

I'm pretty outspoken about advising people against cooking school.

The cost vs. results is simply outrageous. You will be making $10-$12 an hour for the first 3 years out of school and the current going rate for the Cordon Bleu is anywhere from $50,000-$70,000. I know way too many grads who are severely in debt and won't be paying it off for the next 25 years.

That said, I myself went, but when I went it was $32K a year and I put 8K down so my debt wasn't too bad and I paid it off in a few years.

I DO recommend some sort of culinary program through any number of trade schools or even community college. I know many chefs that took that route. Spent a few grand and still got their associates degree. All you really need are basics, like knife technique, knowing how to execute a recipe, some basic kitchen techniques, and the rest is all experience. Experience is by far the most attractive factor in hiring employees, and it's also the top factor in progressing your skills as quickly as possible.

How many years did you go?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #20

What I love about asian girls is what I like to call the "take care" girl.

Many asian girls get enjoyment out of taking care of you. If you complain about your back, boom... instant back rub. My glass is almost empty, she gets up and gets more water for me. I am sick? Oh man, she is going to get that cool towel on my forehead, make me some soup and ask every five minutes if there is anything she can do for me.

I could have met her at a club the night before and banged all night, then in the morning she is cleaning my dishes before I even wake up. She is sweeping up all that long black hair from all the previous girls that I fucked.

Any asian girl I dated for more than a few days we could just be sitting on my couch watching tv and I say.... "hey come her and suck my cock" and no questions asked and with a smile happily starts getting to work on taking care of me as i flip the channels on the tv. Try that with a western girl.

These girls see it as their job to take care of you, they know if I am happy then I will keep them around and they will be happy.

My guy friends in the US ask me why I like living in asia, If I told them they wouldn't even fucking believe me.

Post: #21

I'm slowly warming up to Thai women and got the proverbial monkey off my back by banging one that I pulled off of Thai Friendly a couple of nights ago, although I"m not sure if I'll ever get the full on "yellow fever", I can understand how so many guys do.

I'm also going to see first hand how an average looking western female living in a hamster bubbles reacts to being in Thailand as I have a female friend from Canada coming to travel with me for a few weeks in January. This is going to be really interesting because for the past three years she's lived in Fort McMurray, the city with the highest % of men in all of Canada and this girl has been "dating up" big time as all women there do. I already told this girl that "Thailand is to a single man what Fort McMurray is to a single woman", I don't think she gets it, she's in for a bad shock!

Post: #22

(11-30-2012 12:42 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  You are right about the "girlfriend" thing. I got introduced as my date's "boyfriend" at her work today (see thread "Thailand challenge") and I haven't had sex with her nor does it seem likely I will in the near future...

Havent I talked of pussy paradises. There are still a few out there, epecially in Asia.

Post: #23

@Beyond I graduated in '02, it was a 15 month program

Post: #24

(11-30-2012 11:38 PM)scotian Wrote:  I'm slowly warming up to Thai women and got the proverbial monkey off my back by banging one that I pulled off of Thai Friendly a couple of nights ago, although I"m not sure if I'll ever get the full on "yellow fever", I can understand how so many guys do.

I'm also going to see first hand how an average looking western female living in a hamster bubbles reacts to being in Thailand as I have a female friend from Canada coming to travel with me for a few weeks in January. This is going to be really interesting because for the past three years she's lived in Fort McMurray, the city with the highest % of men in all of Canada and this girl has been "dating up" big time as all women there do. I already told this girl that "Thailand is to a single man what Fort McMurray is to a single woman", I don't think she gets it, she's in for a bad shock!

Very interesting chance for a thought experiment.

Here's my hypothesis:

She will NOT be able to understand the situation where you are as a simple result of market forces because of higher percentage of hot women.

Instead, she will take it as a moral affront to her personally, and think that someone somewhere is doing something WRONG because she is not getting hte attention she wants.

Let's see.

Post: #25

I have a white American female friend who lived in China for 2 years - she moved back to the US to date. Apart from a Filipino-American guy she dated in Shanghai, I think she got no joy at all over there...she's a 5 on a good day BTW - I've never been tempted...

There's an article on this here:

Western women 'invisible' in Asia?

Quote:One group of lonely, frustrated folks in the corner won't be participating - the Western women.

A 20-something American friend complained to me recently, "I feel invisible in Beijing. The other day I walked by a table of Western men at a caf and nothing happened. Back home, I would've expected at least a head turn!"

Quote:Another put it a little more bluntly: "I think white girls here are at a disadvantage because a lot of white males here have some degree of yellow fever. There are Western guys that are only into Chinese girls."

Quote:But, if yellow fever is the culprit it does beg the question, "Don't Western women catch the yellow fever too?"

Apparently not. At least not according to the popular opinion in my survey sample. Some female expats themselves readily admit that they just aren't attracted to Chinese men, much to the dismay of some of those men.

Quote:One man broke it down for me as such, "I think Chinese guys are intimidated by white girls, all the while being curious about them. I don't think they have the guts to approach them."