Post: #501

(04-19-2012 05:43 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 11:10 AM)theoogabear Wrote:  are there short girls in FSU?

Yes, ( some around five two or so) and some are exquisite, with tiny waists and thin elegant fingers....

how often? like what's the ratio? this is coming from a guy who's 5'6"

Post: #502

(04-19-2012 08:57 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:43 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 11:10 AM)theoogabear Wrote:  are there short girls in FSU?

Yes, ( some around five two or so) and some are exquisite, with tiny waists and thin elegant fingers....

how often? like what's the ratio? this is coming from a guy who's 5'6"

Absolutely.

You must remember that the FSU is only part Slav. Even if you just take Russia as an example it is made up of many nationalities such as Tuvans,Khalmyks,Buryats,Nenets,Tatars,Chuvash,Chechen,Ossetian.....etc. etc. Many of those nationalities are full of women way shorter then the archetypal Slavic woman. I was in Ulyanovsk a couple years back and went on dates with a
few women of Bashkir descent,all were well under 5"5 in fact I've never met a Bashkir over that height.

If on the other hand by FSU you mean only Slav then the answer is still yes you can find short women just you'll need to look harder if you want a Slav girl that is a few inches shorter then you.

Post: #503

Christ... I went to the pub for a couple of days and this thread exploded... It's x-O'clock in the morning where I am, and I have nothing to offer... So here's one for Kamaki...

Ceca.. the ultimate Serbian Balkan Power chick... look her up... Don't make me post Bulgarian Chalga....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_whfQkqi4g

Post: #504

...and I'm on a +1 for Deb for the record. I wouldn't have hit Kiev without his early Lviv report... entertaining poster.... I like his work.

Post: #505

(04-19-2012 05:39 PM)Partizan Wrote:  Ukrainian girls tend to bring up that off the cuff remark. One blondinka I was with passed a comment on how she liked a dress in a certain boutique which she really liked but said it was too expensive, note the hint. Well I got the hint and dropped her like a hot snot. My suspicions proved to be correct when I did a little investigating and found out that the damn thing was €600. Aint forking that out for a floozie.

Lol, there is no need to be offended by it. You can just say no. Sometimes its a shit test too, and sometimes they are trying to see where they stand with you. Why must every westerner always think she is looking to take advantage or exploit him?

You need to understand that there is a different dynamic in play there, and what they are doing is not unusual. You are in their country and this is the way things go down there. And when they move abroad, it takes them a while to get used to the way we would do things. Just because its different to what you are used to does not mean its wrong, and when they do this they are often trying to understand YOUR intentions too.

Look its quite simple. Forget about your culture for a minute, and look at theirs. Men are providers, end of story. No ifs and buts, men provide, its the way it is.

For them, sponsorship is nothing unusual. A man buying them shit so he can fuck them is a fair exchange. This is a short term "marriage" of sorts where both parties know the score. You look after her, she fucks you, and you get to openly fuck other women while she is expected to stay faithful.

Then there is the boyfriend, who is a potential husband. He is also a provider, but he does not shower her with gifts and money to buy free pass to her friends. He is not fucking other women openly and while he may buy her things from time to time, its because he wants to and not because its expected of him to maintain the relationship.

Thing is, the initial interactions when you pick them up are the same and they dont know what you are looking for all the time. So they test you to see if you view them as a mistress or as a girlfriend and to see where they stand with you. Start throwing money at them and they think its the former, be firm and cover things like dinner and entertainment only in general and they see you as a boyfriend/lover instead

Sometimes they are just gold diggers, but that is something you run into everywhere around the world and its just as common at home when the gap between financial and social status is as large as Ukrainian women perceive it to be when they date foreigners.

Kamaki goes direct. He sets himself up as a potential sponsor within the first few hours which means they know what the score is and they fuck sooner. It is whoring where we come from because its direct, however its not whoring there. Its a direct approach for people with a direct culture.

But then we dont come from direct cultures and we live in this fantasy land where a woman is a whore when she fucks for a pair of shoes but is a morally sound wife/woman when she gets your house and half your pension.

Post: #506

(04-19-2012 05:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Interesting.

I'm banging a girl now and last night she was telling me how she bought these sexy heels. I told her to wear them next time. Then she said, "I wanted to buy another pair, but I didn't have enough money."

It was a casual comment on the surface, but let's just say I won't be going to the mall with her anytime soon.

Maybe you could've brought your inner Greek out... "Ah yes, another pair of sexy heels, I like sexy heels... do you have a hot friend that I should meet?" ha.

Post: #507

You bring a lot of insight to FSU women Harry.

Cheers

Post: #508

Quote:Or probably just one of those liars like I have met plenty of while traveling. Most guys I met react in one of these four ways when they find out about my site or that I bang a lot a girls. In no particular order:

1. They do not condone what I’m doing and give me white knighting beta reactions.
2. They start avoiding me and are probably ashamed that they are weak in picking up girls.
3. They come up with incredible bang stories them selves but I actually never see them take action.
4. They idolize me and follow me around like a puppy.

For me nr 4 is the best because it gives me a confident boost and I have to make sure I succeed when they are around, so I push myself hard to not embarrass myself or look like a number 3. It’s still no guarantee for success though.

The only reason i bang a reasonable amount of girls is sheer persistence but its hit and miss all the time and i occasionally suffer from heavy approach anxiety

This post is hilarious. I don't want Neil to throw his toys out the pram again so I won't go into why. Pure comedy gold though.

Post: #509

(04-19-2012 08:57 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:43 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 11:10 AM)theoogabear Wrote:  are there short girls in FSU?

Yes, ( some around five two or so) and some are exquisite, with tiny waists and thin elegant fingers....

how often? like what's the ratio? this is coming from a guy who's 5'6",

I've seen plenty of real petite hotties around 5'3''. Some of them even have a decent sized ass for their height. The thing is, they love their heals, so while there are girls shorter than you there it probably won't seem like they are common.

I've seen several guys your height or shorter with tall girls here. Keep in mind average height in Russia and Ukraine is around 5'8 depending on where you look.

Post: #510

(04-19-2012 08:57 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:43 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 11:10 AM)theoogabear Wrote:  are there short girls in FSU?

Yes, ( some around five two or so) and some are exquisite, with tiny waists and thin elegant fingers....

how often? like what's the ratio? this is coming from a guy who's 5'6"

1) Sorry, don't want to do stats because they won't be that much help. maybe 10-15%

I've seen 5'5" pretty dull looking but standing tall (within their limitations) DETERMINED looking mofos with 5'8" 8's. Never seen this elsewhere. Chest out, in shape, and look like they would kill in a second for the hot chick they're with. Not like they're glaring at people looking for a fight, just-- it's hard to describe and it sounds like a platitude-- looking fearless.

By contrast, my overeducated California shtick is not going over that well, they are pretty damn blunt like they know they game STARTS when you let them know you want to fuck them.

It's weird because they aren't inherently hostile like Murkabeests, but they're quite detached (more diffident) until THEY KNOW YOU WANT TO FUCK THEM.

A move by you that results in a shitstorm of denial for a Murkabeest re: she wants to get laid, and insinuation that you are a creep etc, if you are not YoungTallCool here is rather cautious interest or mildly flattered rejection.

Seriously, being rejected here is far, far less humiliating in Murka, where you're made to feel like a fucking criminal for doing the literally MOST NATURAL THING IN THE WORLD.

COURTING BEHAVIOR IS THE MOST NATURAL THING IN THE WORLD.

You just need the BALLS / money to come here and approach like a machine.

Here, normal balls is like a totally arrogant, insensitive mofo compared to something like me from California.

The posts about them recognizing weakness are true. They have radar.

Walk right up and OPEN that bitch. Shit, here they don't even bite back usually. The really glossy, made-up, wish-they-were-Italian-royalty might look a little surprised that you stepped, but almost all decent girls are very polite about your interest.

Oh, and the biggest thing for you: Be young.
You can get away with older here, but they also want YoungTallCool, and if you're short you'd be better off having 2 out of 3. It doesn't last

Post: #511

(04-19-2012 05:29 PM)Partizan Wrote:  Greek, you are in a very grey area between sponsorship and outright paying for it. I have never bought any woman a phone, perfume or given them cash. Its coffee, bowling, movies, drinks, club, nice dinner (all on me of course) and if I'm lucky back to my gaff.

If you add up the items on your list, it sure ended up costing you more than the 70 EUR it cost Greek.
Don't judge the poor girls, where are they supposed to get the perfume (you want them to smell nice, don't you) and the heels (you like it when they wear heels, don't you)? What if they are college students and their Dad is making $150 a month.
I don't see a difference between a girl accepting dinner, club cover charge + drinks, etc. or accepting a perfume or cell phone.

Post: #512

(04-20-2012 03:26 AM)K-man Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:29 PM)Partizan Wrote:  Greek, you are in a very grey area between sponsorship and outright paying for it. I have never bought any woman a phone, perfume or given them cash. Its coffee, bowling, movies, drinks, club, nice dinner (all on me of course) and if I'm lucky back to my gaff.

If you add up the items on your list, it sure ended up costing you more than the 70 EUR it cost Greek.
Don't judge the poor girls, where are they supposed to get the perfume (you want them to smell nice, don't you) and the heels (you like it when they wear heels, don't you)? What if they are college students and their Dad is making $150 a month.
I don't see a difference between a girl accepting dinner, club cover charge + drinks, etc. or accepting a perfume or cell phone.

You get it. I see we Balkans can communicate.The only problems are scammers and girls who price themselves out of the market.With the crisis in 2009 both categories have decreased.

Post: #513

(04-19-2012 05:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  But if THEY propose it does that not automatically make them prostitutes? And also does that not disprove your theory that if you did not offer cash you would just take two days longer to bang them. It seems to me that you would never bang those girls without cash because they are whores.

Nope, it does not. What they give you is a "fast track" option. The difference with a whore is that this is just an option. You still can game her with a real chance to get laid after spending some time together (and spending more than that initial amount).

It is more kind of honest shit test - do you want her person, or just her vagina? She's fine with both cases, but she wants to ensure she'd get something out of it too. And she doesn't need your dick, so if you just need her vagina, she wants to get something valuable to her (i.e. money).

This is basically the US equivalent of hooking up; once those girl start making more money than then need for survival, the money would not have that much value to her. And since there are very few things she could exchange the sex for, she'll likely choose the validation and good emotions like the US chicks do. But it won't happen too soon.

Post: #514

(04-19-2012 05:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It was a casual comment on the surface, but let's just say I won't be going to the mall with her anytime soon.

I'd put my yearly income that it was not a casual comment. It is a typical "what-else-could-i-get-from-that-guy" try. People change during the relationship, and she's trying to see if you got weaker or if she finally found a way to manipulate you (maybe she just read a new Cosmo article about how to get a guy to buy her a diamond).

When those comments are thrown in casually the best way to handle them is to ignore them completely as you never even heard them. Especially if she mentions it like "remember I spoke about those heels I'd like but don't have money to buy?" No, you do not remember, your brain doesn't register those tests, so if she wants something she'd have to ask for it - and risk the rejection.

Post: #515

Paying $70 for dinner and drinks to eventually get the bang is NOT the same as giving her $70 cash to fuck her. If you can't understand the difference then here is the forum for you:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/

In my opinion giving presents is soft P4P. It's not quite whoremongering but it's pretty close. Still, it takes at least some game to get there.

Post: #516

I don't like the fact that there still an exchange going on. The girl has to like me not my wallet or what i can buy for her. Its not the amount of money that counts. When i was in Asia i didn't go around and bought perfume or dresses for girls even though its only 10 dollars.

It seems like Ukrainian girls wait with banging you untill an costly exchange has been made. I cant speak for Ukraine but i did spent 2 months in Russia where i have been with 3 girls for multiple days. They didn't expect any thing from me. And this was still in my beta days. Nowadays i would be even stricter.

I buy an occasional present for a real girlfriend or at least someone i really care about not for quick bangs.

In the Ukraine i would go for coffee with a girl, build up enough attraction than go back home before dinner time with some excuse i need to make a overseas business call around that time or something and see the girl again around nine o'clock in the evening. i dont know the actual dinner times in the ukraine but i think 9 o'clock is past it, this would work in argentina.

Post: #517

(04-20-2012 01:13 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Quote:Or probably just one of those liars like I have met plenty of while traveling. Most guys I met react in one of these four ways when they find out about my site or that I bang a lot a girls. In no particular order:

1. They do not condone what I’m doing and give me white knighting beta reactions.
2. They start avoiding me and are probably ashamed that they are weak in picking up girls.
3. They come up with incredible bang stories them selves but I actually never see them take action.
4. They idolize me and follow me around like a puppy.

For me nr 4 is the best because it gives me a confident boost and I have to make sure I succeed when they are around, so I push myself hard to not embarrass myself or look like a number 3. It’s still no guarantee for success though.

The only reason i bang a reasonable amount of girls is sheer persistence but its hit and miss all the time and i occasionally suffer from heavy approach anxiety

This post is hilarious. I don't want Neil to throw his toys out the pram again so I won't go into why. Pure comedy gold though.

If you're laughing about nr 4 i must tell you that this is not standard when i meet guys but it has happened at least 4 or 5 times to me.
i was gonna ignore your post but i'm very curious since its something i cut and paste from my book. Let me hear your criticism. I wont be angry. I'm totally ZEN now as long as its a serious post.

Post: #518

We'd be derailing the thread as it has nothing to do with Ukraine / Russia or wherever this topic is about so I won't go into it.

Post: #519

(04-20-2012 11:43 PM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  We'd be derailing the thread as it has nothing to do with Ukraine / Russia or wherever this topic is about so I won't go into it.

then don't be a meanie. and thanks guys for the height info.

Post: #520

Example of what I got easily in Ukraine.Girl 26 years old,180 cm banged 20 minutes after first meeting just 2 hours after I set foot in Ukraine.Afterwards I stayed at her home and fucked her and her roommate in row.(while she cooked I fucked the other).



The girls asked for everyday expenses like super market stuff etc.The next day I left to other interesting destination.

Post: #521

That's a big ass, it's such a bad photo it could be a man for all we know!

Post: #522

IPhone 3gs.What do you expect?

Post: #523

Nice ass. when was that Kamaki?

Post: #524

Did you pay or give these girls gifts Kamaki?

Post: #525

(04-21-2012 07:06 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  Did you pay or give these girls gifts Kamaki?

I already explained.I covered their daily expenses in super market etc.(of course the one girl went in and came out with supplies for a week or two(it cost about 20 euro).I stayed in their apartment only one day and then moved to other girls.If you see it I gave them the expenses an apartment rent would cost(about 40-50 euro/per day).
I am always refering to Eastern Ukraina.In western Ukraina I almost never was asked to pay for anything(maximum was a chicken or a pizza).Only in one case a girl in western Ukraine proposed that if I bought her gf a mobile phone I could have them both(I had already banged her).