Post: #76

(03-20-2018 01:55 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 01:07 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Asians were the hardest, but got easier once I figured out which asian ones were down.

Among the Orientals that are in a interracial relationship....90% are with white guys what a coincidence.

that might just be because most of America is white. And Asians more than most races face strong parental objections (which Asian girls know before they start dating) on marrying black or even brown.

sad but true.

Post: #77

(03-28-2018 04:45 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  Not to derail this thread, but what cities, either in the U.S. (preferable) or abroad, do you think are best to bang Indian women? I definitely have a thing for cute brown women.

There's the "Don't go to India (for the women)" thread, and Dubai I assume is not an easy nut to crack.

If this question is answered in another thread, definitely point me there, but a simple search didn't yield anything.

In the US: New York (the tri-state) wins by far followed by the Bay Area, and Boston/Chicago/Dallas.

In India: In my experience, Delhi girls are the easiest. With Bangalore and Mumbai tying for second. Mumbai girls are the classiest and most stylish of the lot. Bangalore is catching up.

In Dubai: Massive choice of cute girls from several countries including India/Pakistan/Africa/former Soviet/SE Asia but its almost entirely (90%+) pay for play.

Post: #78

In particular Edison, NJ and Rutgers University in New Brunswick, NJ (they are adjacent towns).

Source: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/nyr...dianj.html

“If I meet an Indian anywhere, everyone knows Edison, N.J.,” Mayor Choi said. “They know Mumbai, London and Edison.”

Rutgers even has numerous Indian sororities:

http://eden.rutgers.edu/~airru/?pg=links

http://deltaphiomega.org/

http://www.deltakappadelta.com/

https://m.facebook.com/pg/dkdrutgers/photos

etc.

Post: #79

I'll share my personal experiences later on being Indian myself but one thing I do want to mention on this thread that I have picked up on over the years, is that Asian and Indian guys have this tendency to blame it all on race without really getting a good grasp of value. I think quite a few ethnic guys have a tendency to do this because outside of western and European culture, looks aren't as important to women when they go for a man. You cannot say a girl is picky about race because she picks a Chris Hemsworth lookalike over a guy that looks like Aziz Ansari, its like calling a guy a racist for picking a Victoria Secret supermodel over Mindy Kaling.

Leagues do exist. Most of the times plain average white guys are not getting model quality girls and if they are, then they are definitely bringing something to the table outside of just being white.

The issue with Indian men is that they do not take responsibility for their lack of value in the dating game and when it fails to work out, they blame it all on race. All too often you have a lower value Indian guy going after hot girls, looking clownish, lacking game and then blaming it all on race. The worst part is that this guy will pollute the minds of many other Indian guys out there and be an all around toxic individual, this is part of the reason why I don't hang out with too many Indian guys.

Just go look out there and see how many tall good looking white guys you see compared to Indian guys. I rarely see Indian guys out there who look like they have been in the gym and have tight style, the ones who do have more than enough options. You can blame it all on prejudice and no doubt that plays some role but women will always pick the best guy available.

Then when these guys do see a well off Indian guy getting hot girls, they'll say it is because his wealth and looks are making up for his race but the reality is even the white guys out there cleaning up have some legit value going for them.

Not going to completely disregard the role of race though, there are some areas of the US in my experience where it is tough for Indian guys to pull but if you're hitting it out of the ball park in life, even then it can be done.

Point of my post being that Indian guys need to get a better hold of grasping their own value outside of race and actually improve in many ways before they go down this toxic path of saying girls are picky about ethnicity.

Post: #80

Wow, it's been a while sine I've posted in this thread. Some real solid arguments back and forth.

I'm not going to comment on the 50+ posts on insecurity/"whether race matters" debate on here, because these types of debates always spiral into something where no definitive answer is agreed upon. And think about it - there really is no answer. It all depends on one's experiences, and everyone's experiences are different.

Based on my experiences abroad, it does matter. Man, I would have loved to be blonde hair and blue eyed in Brazil and a Latino in Ukraine haha. But hey, those are just my experiences and that will never change. We are all dealt different cards in life and I'm here to make the best of mine without sulking. I love being browntown no matter what that exotic factor I have or not.

Anyways - Let's start sharing concrete experiences on this thread from traveling abroad and domestically

Here we go:

**Note: In all of my travel experiences, my grooming, fitness, clothes, etc. were good. Not the best, but still better than other travelers I met***

My travel experiences:

USA (my home base)****

NYC: I did okay here. NYC is the most diverse city in the world, so anyone can find their niche here. I said before on here that I didn't do well with white girls (and I'm sticking with that 100%) in NYC here but killed the minority game (Indian, Latina, Black, etc.). With that being said, I feel as though multi-racial hooking up is much more common than anywhere else in the northeast.

Boston: There's a ton of Indian girls on the market (due to all the medical schools, universities, healthcare sector, etc.) so if that's your thing, then you're innnn. I have always felt like New England has had a segregated racial vibe , so I don't have strong dating stats here. I get a lot of Indian/minority matches here online though, almost no white

Europe*****:

Ukraine: Didn't do well. Herds of horny Turkish dudes everywhere and I didn't stand out at all (I'm Indian but look Middle Eastern). Turks have a bad rep here too, so that definitely didn't help. My style, game, approach methodology, etc. were all on point but got me nowhere.

Western Europe: Been to a few cities for short term visits (i.e. less than a few days) so not enough data. Anyone feel free to chime in. I've heard that Finland and Poland are the hotspots.

Latin America breakdown*****:

Colombia, Mexico, Peru: Did pretty well here. Then again, who doesn't do well in these countries ? The thing about Colombia and many other Latin countries is that there are literally no Indian/Arabs people living here. I was traveling through these countries for a long time and didn't see a single brotha, even in the Indian restaurants (aside from the chefs)

I will admit that the White god factor in these countries was real high (and I saw it time after time after time) so I did have to work harder than my Gringo counterparts/backpackers (dressed better, groomed well, etc etc), but I was still able to do decently well.

Brown guys have an interesting rep here - we don't stand out as much as, say, a blonde haired blue eyed gringo, but once a girl did find out I was Indian, they would seem absolutely shocked. Not a single person I met in any of these countries over several months had ever met an Indian guy ever - in their entire lives

Our rep is spirituality, yoga, Bollywood, snake charmers, etc - in other words, there is definitely a curiosity factor. But note that you will have to work harder for similar quality than the other gringos - but it's achievable.

Argentina - This one was interesting for me. I hear lots of forum members shit on Argentina. And I can see why - the chicks there are hot but almost impossible to bed. The ultimate cocktease.

But from my very limited experience, here's what I noticed (specifically for me):

Argentinian women don't want to be seen with Gringos, because it makes them look bad - they want their local men. The backpacker girls want to hook up with Argentinean guys.

And here's where it became interesting: Because of the way I look, I was assumed to be Argentinean but with a slight exotic flair. A ton of locals would answer/open me in Spanish, and when asked, they all admitted that they thought I was from Argentina. Even the backpacker girls thought so too.

I was open game for both markets - and got lots of attention here. My experiences are very, very short here but I definitely want to head back (for the steak and wine too )

Brazil: Brazil is incredibly diverse and I blended in 100% as a local. I even had to convince women that I was American, because they thought I was lying. Some even convinced me of showing them a fake passport. I thought it was tough to game here (yeah, pretty contrary compared to what other Forum members have said). If you have distinct European features, then you will absolutely kill it here - saw it with my own eyes. A poosy paradise if you can stand out completely.

Experiences, fellas.

I wrote up a few other datasheets on The Caribbeans, feel free to check those out.

Post: #81

Indian guys are socially awkward. That's the main reason they can't get girls.

I have seen African guys who are ugly as fuck, but still get girls, because they're very charismatic and funny to hang out with. Same for fat white guys who are in the bottom 10% when it comes to physical appearance.

It all comes down to making a girl feel comfortable being with you, because women are more on the emotional side than on the physical side.

Post: #82

(05-08-2018 06:09 AM)RoadTo100 Wrote:  In particular Edison, NJ and Rutgers University in New Brunswick, NJ (they are adjacent towns).

Source: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/nyr...dianj.html

“If I meet an Indian anywhere, everyone knows Edison, N.J.,” Mayor Choi said. “They know Mumbai, London and Edison.”

Rutgers even has numerous Indian sororities:

http://eden.rutgers.edu/~airru/?pg=links

http://deltaphiomega.org/

http://www.deltakappadelta.com/

https://m.facebook.com/pg/dkdrutgers/photos

etc.

And you can add Brampton Ontario Canada as well.

Some have nicknamed it Bram-ladesh lol.

Post: #83

Have you guys seen the currycel meme on the incel sites?

Post: #84

(05-10-2018 11:16 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  Have you guys seen the currycel meme on the incel sites?

No. Why are you visiting incel sites? That stuff is downright poisonous.

Post: #85

Indian guys in the Anglosphere would benefit from dressing in an edgy, polarized way. Backwards hat, chains etc.

You never want women to negatively sexually stereotype you as "that Indian guy" when they first look at you. Nothing dries up pussy faster. Dress edgy to neutralize the stereotypes. Ethnic bad boy or celibacy.

The best Indian player on this forum, kaotic, even conceded girls don't know realize he's Indian when they meet him (passes for Hispanic). When they bring it up he quickly changes the subject.

I'm brown but not Indian (from a more "exotic" sounding place) so luckily don't get hit as hard with the negative stereotypes when the inevitable "where are you from?" question arises.

Post: #86

Sharing my story as promised since a couple of you PM'd me about it. Long and I'll include lessons I learned at the very end, editted it a bit to shorten it as much as possible.

Born and raised in the US but parents were immigrants so did have some of that Indian upbringing. Nerdy kid in high school that didn't care about chasing girls as much and only started caring when I hit college. At one point around 18, life took a miserable turn for me (toxic family was wearing on me, felt trapped, one my closest friends growing up died and a bunch of other stuff) and I was just in a bad shape overall, actually thought about suicide many times and had weeks where I wished my life would end. Looking back at it, think the only reason I didn't actually kill myself is because I was afraid that I would fail at it and still be alive but in a real shitty state.

Did have a toxic mentality about race because the Indian/brown and Asian guys I had known pushed a good bit of it on to me, especially the whole white people look down on us narrative. Drifted from social circle to social circle in college and never fit in to any one crew which hurt me status wise. Did not get laid much starting out or even have fun like you're supposed to with college but did make some good friends.

At some point in my early 20s, decided I had enough, changes had to be made or I was going to die one miserable man. I feel like at some point we all get pushed to where we are forced to make a change or be miserable for life, a lackluster college experience was that wakeup call for me. Saw all these Indian guys deeper into their careers being pressured into an LTR by family, that was not going to be me and I made it very clear to my parents.

Changed social circles and started asking myself the tough questions about what I want to do with my life. Met one cool white guy who almost served as a mentor to me, helped me out so much in manning up and just becoming more alpha. Played a big role in my development as a person.

Decided that if I was not going to take my own life, might as well take more risks with it. Thanks to some networking in college and a couple of decent summer internships, managed to find a job in a big city and forego grad school. Did not sit well with my parents, we fought and haven't talked much since.

Lived in the fun part of the city I moved to with two roommates, both fratty white guys from the midwest and we got on well. One was a couple years older but well connected with the nightlife scene and the other was fresh out of college like me, both tall too. The whole area was full of 20-somethings fresh out of college, like it was designed for that specific demographic.

The story of that year would have to be a story on its own but it was the most transformative year of my life. Went out often, got laid a couple times, got into my first LTR with this sexy Lebanese/Italian mix from California I met through my roommate as she was in the same sorority back in college as his ex-girlfriend, fell in love for the first time in my life thinking I was going to marry her, had an epiphany so I broke up with her six months later after realizing how much life I was missing, realized I should have done it a lot sooner instead of waiting that long and then started going out again getting laid. Luckily my roommate was on my side there and encouraged me to break up with her if that is what made me happy.

Never experienced so many emotional highs and lows in my entire life as I did that one year or so, these two guys changed me in a big way. At one point, I actually smashed a girl I had a crush on in college but could never get with because she was in one of the top sororities on campus, she ended up in the same city as me. Being out with my roommate that day I saw her helped a lot in making that happen.

Going out with my roommates taught me a lot, especially that even the guys who we see as ideal and want to be like can get rejected in the most brutal ways but they just laugh it off. I compare this to hanging out with my Indian and Asian friends who would get rejected and cry racism right off the bat but my roommates just didn't care. Whatever my roommates were doing, it was affecting my inner game and outer game in a big way.

Learned how to put together a good Bumble profile and take good pics from one my roommates that was slaying on there, ended up getting matches and actually got with two women off the app during that year. Despite what they say, you can do well on dating apps as a minority. Life in general was great, work was fulfilling on weekdays and it is like every weekend I had something going on, happier than I had ever been in my life.

I was looking at life from a different perspective now kind of like being on the other side. While younger me could relate to race whiners the newer me just saw them as whiners and failed to relate as much.

Unfortunately my older roommate eventually got into an LTR and moved in with her, quitting the party scene altogether while the younger roommate changed cities so that opportunity was gone. The hit wasn't as big though because the people I met through them call me to hang out and every now and then I have an event to go to where meeting women comes somewhat naturally. Still doing decent on dating apps thanks to a few tips and tricks they taught me about taking pics and pushing to meet up with her. Even though we're not together anymore, there has been a lot of carryover and I am better because of them.

As for some of the lessons I learned after my long story.

1. Most newer guys, regardless of race can benefit immensely from a good social life as opposed to doing this whole thing alone. I think that having a good social life and some friends around your age makes this thing ten times easier because you occasionally meet women as a virtue of just being involved with the right people. Go hard on the dating apps and cold approach as usual but the benefits of a good social life are immense.

2. The people you surround yourself with determine your inner game and mindset whether you like it or not. I pity my younger self yet I was around a lot of beta minorities so I had toxic beliefs as a result of it. After spending a lot of time near some cool and fun white guys, the mindset is different. Outside of a few exceptions, I just don't see myself making that many Indian and Asian friends, as a whole I have found most guys from those backgrounds to be whiny complainers that don't help my inner game and life is too short to keep crying everyday about how white women don't want you.

3. Don't go monogamous if you're a guy that doesn't have enough notches under his belt. In my case I thought she was an exceptional girl but I spent 6 months seeing just her and letting notches pass right by me because of it. Just the thought of what I could have done in those 6 months if I had spent them going out with my roommates instead of in an LTR in my early 20s. I feel if I had slayed in high school and college then it would have been different for me but given the situation I was in, that LTR made life so complicated especially because I think if I had more experience I would have married her. Just talking about it still fucks with my head.....

4. White people are not this evil entity out to get you like so many minorities think. I've personally run into way more racism from minorities than white people. As much as people might criticize Trump's America, I've actually felt the most welcomed by conservative whites than any other group out there. At first they might evaluate to see where you are at but if you show the willingness to assimilate and learn from them, they are more than accepting. I have had a far better experience making friends with white people than brown and Asian people who often tend to be a lot more judgmental.

5. Race aside, it is low value people that generally complain about not being wanted for their race. I have met Indian guys that did well and they hardly complained about racism yet it was the beta skinnyfat Indian guys who over-rationalized the life out of the race thing.

6. Back to race, once you get good with white girls, whitewashed women from minority groups want you even more. This is especially true for the whitewashed Asian and brown women who swore they only go for white guys. I was actively approached by a few Asian, Middle Eastern and Indian girls when I was out with my roommates and it is like they saw me differently than they would men of their own race. Plenty of stories in regards to that if you guys are interested in hearing them.

7. Misery loves company and you can die from another man's misery. I am glad I changed my friend circle in college and stopped hanging out with failures who were loaded toxic and limiting beliefs about dating, life and women. On the other end, the benefits of just being around great successful people are immense.

8. Everyone, regardless of race, gets rejected and rejected hard in nightlife. My roommates were the personalization of American society, the overconfident tall young white guys and I even saw them get rejected. The game is easy for no man, its just that some men rather take action and improve than cry all day about things they can't change about themselves.

Post: #87

^Excellent post. My development is very similar to yours.

Post: #88

a beer is enough, thanks for sharing your story. Very inspirational and relatable to my experience.

Out of curiosity how tall are you and what’s your lifetime notch count? Are you in Cali or NYC?

Post: #89

That's an interesting story Beer. I am amazed at how much negative conditioning Indian guys get these days and how much they get indoctrinated by the race pimps in the schools, media, family etc. Credit to you guys who can break through all that. While I've encountered plenty of real racism in my life (try being an Indian playing hockey back in the mid 70s, early 80s) I never had an issue getting White girls or any other ethnic group for that matter. It never really entered my head that if I got rejected that it was because of being Indian, I figured I got rejected because I got rejected. I guess it's hard for me to relate to Indian guys who cry about racism because compared to how it was 40 years ago, the shit today is a total joke. I always ran with cool people though so that helped, even my best friend in high school was THE high school chad (who is now a fat, overweight beer swilling pig). Somehow I managed to be cool enough that people wanted to hang out with me but I always did well in school and did my parents proud. My parents were pretty cool with me as long as I did well in school and stayed out of trouble. They also like my Chad friend a lot too so that helped.

White girls love dark dick, a fact a lot of guys on the forum can't seem to handle but it is true and if a white chick is predisposed to dark dick, she aint gonna care if you're Indian, just if she likes you enough to partake in your pleasure. I remember a few years ago while I was getting divorced I was boning this married Polish chick and I laughed and once told her that, man it would be bad enough if your husband found out but if he found out you're taking dick from brownie like me, he'd lose his shit. She laughed, agreed wholeheartedly, and then started sucking away. Using that angle of being forbidden fruit for a white chick can really make her want to get with you, hard. Good for you guys though for breaking that conditioning, that's something I never really had to do, just had to get over my own normal young man insecurities.

Post: #90

(05-12-2018 04:34 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  a beer is enough, thanks for sharing your story. Very inspirational and relatable to my experience.

Out of curiosity how tall are you and what’s your lifetime notch count? Are you in Cali or NYC?

I am 6'2 and on the east coast.

As for notch count, it is currently at 16 and I know that is way below most guys on this thread and even the average guy out there but there are a few reasons for that. One was obviously the LTR, the other is that I think I am a little picky, and then there are bad game habits I have like once I get with a girl I have her as a repeat customer and fuckbuddy while not gaming other girls aggressively. I've also let a lot of opportunities with decent looking women pass because I wasn't interested enough.

I still consider myself kind of new to the game and didn't hit any sort of a stride until after college. Still in my 20s and all I can say regarding my situation is, my game isn't wack but there is a reason I joined this forum. The stories I read of guys cold approaching to where it nets them a notch count into the triple digits are so moving.

I've not got into the habit of cold approaching during the day as much and still rely a lot on dating apps, social circle opportunities and occasional night out doing cold approaches so there is that too.

Post: #91

(05-12-2018 04:59 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  That's an interesting story Beer. I am amazed at how much negative conditioning Indian guys get these days and how much they get indoctrinated by the race pimps in the schools, media, family etc. Credit to you guys who can break through all that. While I've encountered plenty of real racism in my life (try being an Indian playing hockey back in the mid 70s, early 80s) I never had an issue getting White girls or any other ethnic group for that matter. It never really entered my head that if I got rejected that it was because of being Indian, I figured I got rejected because I got rejected. I guess it's hard for me to relate to Indian guys who cry about racism because compared to how it was 40 years ago, the shit today is a total joke. I always ran with cool people though so that helped, even my best friend in high school was THE high school chad (who is now a fat, overweight beer swilling pig). Somehow I managed to be cool enough that people wanted to hang out with me but I always did well in school and did my parents proud. My parents were pretty cool with me as long as I did well in school and stayed out of trouble. They also like my Chad friend a lot too so that helped.

White girls love dark dick, a fact a lot of guys on the forum can't seem to handle but it is true and if a white chick is predisposed to dark dick, she aint gonna care if you're Indian, just if she likes you enough to partake in your pleasure. I remember a few years ago while I was getting divorced I was boning this married Polish chick and I laughed and once told her that, man it would be bad enough if your husband found out but if he found out you're taking dick from brownie like me, he'd lose his shit. She laughed, agreed wholeheartedly, and then started sucking away. Using that angle of being forbidden fruit for a white chick can really make her want to get with you, hard. Good for you guys though for breaking that conditioning, that's something I never really had to do, just had to get over my own normal young man insecurities.

I feel like my parents didn't make it any easier and neither was the crowd I was around, a lot of non-white guys with immigrant parents tend to have this victim mentality towards women. All about who you surround yourself with in the end and I attribute all of my success to hanging around "Chad" type of white guys. It's weird that the one demographic media says is supposed to hate me had the biggest impact on my personal growth while I have often been attacked, cockblocked and felt pulled down in my life from my fellow Indian and Asian bros but that is its own post.

As for white girls loving brown guys, my opinion is that a cool high value guy of any race can get hot girls from any group. I do know of a couple of Indian guys that have cleaned up with the stereotypical basic bitch sorority types, its rare but it can be done. Like my first post said though, minorities do have a tendency to blame race for their failures more which creates a nasty feedback loop.

That said, its funny you mention Polish women because I have found that I have a ton of success with Polish/Eastern euro, strangely enough Italian American women with French/French Canadian women being right up there with them. This is based on matches I get on dating apps and a lot of my notches.

Post: #92

(04-09-2018 09:59 AM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 12:32 AM)True Balla Wrote:  I clean up in the South East of US. Primarily online game: Tinder, Bumble, etc.

Somebody asked about Latin America. I did very well in Peru and Colombia. Argentina I couldn't get much at all.

However, I think in terms of success, travels, etc. I'm probably out of their league and would say I 'settle' when going on dates with them. But then again, that's just how the dating market is, especially online. (Say im a 9, and only getting 6-8's).

When you refer to the Southeast, are you referring more to say, Florida ? (South Florida I'm more familiar with - Tampa / Orlando / Ft. Myers / Ft. Lauderdale / Miami), or perhaps Atlanta?

The cities you mentioned in Florida. Atlanta I get lots of matches as well when I go there. Probably decently easy to convert

Post: #93

'a beer is enough' - great story. It appears that the key to the successes you mentioned was your much improved social circle. Its value (in general) cannot be overestimated as you've correctly stated.

The Indian guys I've seen that did well with women (of all kinds) tended to have this in common, ie, diverse, solid social circles. The ones who rolled with an all-Indian crew generally had a tougher time.

Post: #94

a beer is enough, thanks for being honest. Being 6’2” puts you in the top 2% of Indians worldwide. Your height is a huge asset and grants you access into the “Chad” world.

16 slays as an Indian in the West is a great number but you have potential to do a lot better.

I’m a 5’8” Sri Lankan in Toronto with 44 slays. Make of that what you will.

Post: #95

The USA is such a fucked up country. So many focus on race and ethnicity.

The reason minorities blame race/ethnicity is because once you get rejected because of your race, you will think this is the main cause for every future rejection you will get. It unconsciously stays in your mind.

Also, the negative stereotyping of minorities is just toxic in the USA. Whites have it indeed better, simply because they can profit from a positive stereotype. But even then: there are lots of white guys who blame everything on being a white male, while in reality they don't have any external factors that hold them back in life. They are probably the most toxic people on this planet.

Post: #96

Agree that Indians with diverse friends do a lot better. However, it can be tough for Indians to break into white circles. In Toronto despite the diversity there is a strong WASP/ethnic social divide.

A key reason I see brown guys struggle is the give off the “ethnic immigrant” vibe in their body language, mannerisms and verbal diction. This is true even for guys born here who grew up to in ethnic enclaves and never had the benefit of WASP friends to socially “mainstream” themselves. WASPs don’t want to associate socially with ethnics whom they implicitly see as immigrant/low value. This might take a generation or two change, but continued mass immigration makes it easy for minorities to simply retreat into the comfort of their enclaves when mainline multi-generational white Canadians are socially distant.

Post: #97

Funny you guys mention this because I was having this conversation a while back with my Asian friend who does well for himself, it applies to Indian guys I’ve known who have killed it too, especially the ones I mentioned who cleaned up with the basic bitch types. It seems like all of them grew up in a more conservative part of the US around Chads and country boys. They had mainly white with some black friends and did things normal American kids do growing up such as playing sports. In many ways they were a lot more American than they were Indian although they didn’t hate the color of their skin either, they accepted that they are American who happen to be brown instead of black or white, that’s all there is to it.

I even picked up on this when I talked to Indian guys from more of this kind of upbringing, they were oblivious to the fact that looking Indian was some sort of a setback with women.

Yet the Indian guys I talked to who were raised around a lot of Indians and immigrants/minorities in general would swear on their mother's grave that being Indian is a death sentence when it comes to dating. I think there is this sort of crabs in a bucket that happens among non-white immigrants when it comes to dating which is counterproductive to bettering your inner game. These were also the same Indian guys who would literally corner me at work and a couple of times at bars when seeing me with girls of other races then treat the whole ordeal as if I had found some kind of a cure for a major disease lol!

Post: #98

^ Beer that's a good analysis and probably describes me to a tee. I never really ran in an all Indian crew, I have friends of all different ethnic backgrounds, including some cool Indian dudes I also grew up in a small town with not a lot of Indians so by default I ended up being more Americanized. Like I said, I grew up playing hockey, not too many Indians doing that, even today. Definitely proud to be Indian though and I never shy away from telling people my ethnic background when asked and most certainly has not had any bearings on my dating life. Again as I've mentioned before, I was married to a girl from Ireland for 20 years so there's that too.

Post: #99

“Yet the Indian guys I talked to who were raised around a lot of Indians and immigrants/minorities in general would swear on their mother's grave that being Indian is a death sentence when it comes to dating.”

My brown friend and I have about 70 notches, almost all in Toronto the most complained about city on this forum.

When I think about what contributes to our notches relative to most Indian guys in this city:

- Baseline level of non-repulsive looks
- WASPish accent and personality
- High IQ/EQ
- Dark triad sociopathy/killer instinct

For any brown guy to slay in the Anglosphere he’d need all these attributes, particularly to slay non-brown girls. The proportion of brown guys who have all these traits in Toronto is minuscule, less than 1%.

We’re both late bloomers in our early 30s and were fortunate to come up and gain experience pre-smartphone pre-Tinder saturation. We have a window of opportunity to practice our game 5-10 years ago during the “golden age” of PUA. I think young brown guys today have a much more difficult path to reach slayerdom.

Post: #100

Anyone here bin in Surrey? How do you think the Indian girls compare their to other places look wise an in other areas?