Post: #151

(04-22-2018 08:47 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I will consider doing the fast without the medication for 4-5 days and then start taking it again afterwards.

So you're planning on making unilateral decisions that go against your doctor's advice without consulting them? You've just come to this conclusion on your own.

Don't be stupid. Take the full course of antibiotics as they were prescribed.

Post: #152

I don't want to clutter up a wonderful fasting discussion with other stuff but I might as well talk about this. My doctor's suggestion was simply to take antibiotics forever. At least a year. That is western medicines answer to dry eyes causing styes. Since I was in a really bad situation with large, bulbous styes I went with his advice. But its bad advice long term. Western medicine treats symptoms, not causes for problems. Questions like: why are my eyes dry and why do they get infected with styes from the dryness aren't talked about. There is a symptoms and then the answer is antibiotics forever. This is actually the second time a doctor has told me to take antibiotics for years, when I had bad acne as a teenager. But instead I changed my diet, started taking zinc, stopped washing my face so much and my acne got much better.

So instead Ive been thinking about why my eyes are so dry, if its part of my diet or perhaps a supplement I take, or maybe its hormonal, im not sure. But something like a fast is a very good way to see if its related to diet because I wont be eating for a while. If my eyes become much less dry, then hey, I have some new information.

Western medicines answer to symptoms are pills. Not diet, exercise, lifestyle changes, etc. It has its place but its not a long term solution to take antibiotics for years to put a band aid on symptoms.

Western medicine probably thinks fasts are harmful, or not beneficial, which is absolutely not the case. I already fast 24-36 hours regularly and do intermittent fasting and Im in great shape and health for my age, except for these dry eyes. I know fasting is helpful and is part of keeping youthful.

Post: #153

I've got high blood pressure (a problem I think is vastly exaggerated by the med industry so they can hit targets, but alas), and from doing some fairly extensive research I'm definitely going to have a go at this. Here's the medical results for anyone interested: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12470446

Post: #154

(04-22-2018 09:16 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I don't want to clutter up a wonderful fasting discussion with other stuff but I might as well talk about this. My doctor's suggestion was simply to take antibiotics forever. At least a year.

For the love of God, get off the antibiotics and repair your microbiome (it will take awhile). Until you repair your microbiome, you have a high chance of developing serious health problems, including an autoimmune disease. I speak from personal experience. Personally, I will never again take antibiotics unless it is in response to a life-threatening condition.

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(04-22-2018 09:16 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  Western medicines answer to symptoms are pills. Not diet, exercise, lifestyle changes, etc. It has its place but its not a long term solution to take antibiotics for years to put a band aid on symptoms.

You are on the right track.

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Post: #155

For dry eyes they often do inserts in the lacrimal duct inserts which helps the eye from drying. Also doesn't hurt to use hot washcloth compresses and lid scrubs twice a day till things start to heal. Lids scrubs you can do forever. Basically just cleaning of the dead skin on the eyelid to prevent that from falling in the eye. I think it helps with inflammation too. I'm bad about doing it myself though.

Post: #156

I think I'm going to have a go at this. Starting 6pm tonight I won't eat anything and will try to go until Sunday 6pm with only water. I think I'll also take a activated charcoal tablet before 6pm to try to get as many toxins out of my body as possible. I've always had some fat around my abdominal area even though I've been exercising intensely for a very long time no matter how hard I try to diet and get rid of it.

This Saturday I have an all you can eat dinner function so I'll ease into that with some bone broth I've made.

Do you guys take any vitamins or minerals while fasting?

Post: #157

(04-22-2018 02:59 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  Do you guys take any vitamins or minerals while fasting?

No, ingest nothing but clean pure water when fasting. In fact, if possible, try to avoid tap water with chlorine, fluoride, or any other contaminants. Even though I own a four-stage water filter, when I fast I go out of my way to obtain my water from a water store that uses the best possible filtration system.

Post: #158

Thanks TG. I use a Berkey system. I'm considering a soft dry fast actually just to see what will happen.

I found this guy on youtube with some good videos explaining how fasting works scientifically

Post: #159

Post: #160

(04-22-2018 09:16 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  Im in great shape and health for my age, except for these dry eyes. I know fasting is helpful and is part of keeping youthful.

You might find this interesting. Just my opinion.
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Dry eyes are usually a symptom of lack of adequate or proper hydration of the body. Poor hydration is in fact the number one issue that most people face. It is mostly caused by the salt and chemicals in the junk and processed foods we eat which absorbs water from the body and flushes it out. Especially potato chips and fries.

Poor hydration affects all parts of the body especially the eyes bc they need usually more hydration. Some symptoms are early arthritis, severe head aches, pain that won't go away, bruises that take a long time to heal, dry eyes and many more. Also poor hydration creates a suitable environment for disease and other ailments.

Drinking more water is not necessarily the solution - in fact it can make matters worse bc it can flush out necessary electrolytes.

Poor hydration occurs bc toxins in the body have built up over time. Toxins weaken the body's ability to absorb nutrients and absorb water to feed and hydrate the body.

Doing short fasts or eating better and drinking more water will only have minimal affect -- though it is still helpful.

The real way to improve hydration is by doing a long fast on water so the body can properly detoxify its toxins. This takes usually a minimum of 21 days but can go up to 30 days and even more for some. Once the fast is completed then
one must re feed on mainly water rich fruits and vegetables - Watermelon, blueberries, oranges, cucumber, celery . tomatoes, etc.

However, since beginners are not able to do long fast then short fasts are helpful -- but the primary benefit of doing shorts fasts is to mentally prepare one for doing the long fast. Go at your own pace. I have yet to do my 21 day fast but am preparing for it.

Once the body is properly re dehydrated, it will achieve new optimum health and many symptoms will likely disappear.

Proper hydration of the body is the number ONE factor to good health.

Post: #161

Post: #162

I did a dry fast from Sunday 7pm to today, Tuesday 7pm so 2 days. Lost 8 pounds and felt fine. Was originally aiming for Wednesday night, 3 days, but I just started missing the taste of water. I wasn't feeling hungry or thirsty, it was more missing the taste. I'm in pretty good health to begin with but I think I'll do a 1 day dry fast a week just for the health benefits. Maybe try 7 days just to try it sometime.

Post: #163

(04-24-2018 08:37 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  I did a dry fast from Sunday 7pm to today, Tuesday 7pm so 2 days. Lost 8 pounds and felt fine. Was originally aiming for Wednesday night, 3 days, but I just started missing the taste of water. I wasn't feeling hungry or thirsty, it was more missing the taste. I'm in pretty good health to begin with but I think I'll do a 1 day dry fast a week just for the health benefits. Maybe try 7 days just to try it sometime.

A lot here have said dehydrating yourself is dangerous and has no benefits. And many seem to be paranoid even to bring up the topic of a dry fast. How is it after a two dry fast you are still alive? I am sure some are thinking. I did a three day hard dry fast about two weeks ago - and sure enough the body kicked in and made a lot of metabolic water. After three days, it felt like my stomach was full of water and I was still urinating on the third day.

Post: #164

The only effects I felt were really a more dry mouth. I have a really relaxed schedule right now as I'm in the middle of exams so I just wake up go to my table and study or on the couch so not a lot of movement. I definitely would not do a dry fast and train at the gym at the same time. Yesterday I did a little walk up a little mountain in my city and it was roughly 2 to 3 hours. I noticed that my calves were feeling a little shaky on my way up and down, nothing too major, but thats about it. When I got home I actually passed out for a few hours on my couch. I was not as strong physically compared to if I were to be eating which was to be expected.

Actually during the day Monday I noticed myself having a very clear mind. Same with Tuesday. I really wanted to plow through the whole week to see what will happen and to induce more fat loss but I have a big dinner scheduled for Saturday and another Sunday so it doesn't fit my schedule. I also don't want to risk being not focused for my exams.

I didn't piss that much but from what I read it takes 3 days for that to happen, I really want to experience that. Seems kind of cool the idea of your body turning fat into water.

Post: #165

So after watching a couple of the above videos, looking at the comments, and my personal experiences with Keto, I think a better approach could be to Do Keto for the first few days, where your body is still getting food, but that hunger craving is still slowly reducing. Your body is building up the ketone levels as well. After a few days of Keto, doing a water fast would be great. While I did keto, I even worked out and could easily do 24 hours without eating, so I think it could be a great transition. And then to break the fast, I think it could be ideal to transiiton back to keto so that you can stay in that fat burning stage, and also transition working out again until you are ready to break keto and go back to regular.

Post: #166

Felt pretty dam strong today at the gym

Post: #167

I hope you know that you should not be doing no work outs while on the fast. You should be resting mostly - but going for lights walks is good to do. During the fast there is a point where you feel and get a lot of energy. I made the mistake of going on a long bike ride. Your body needs that energy to do its work on revitalizing the body. If you start to do a work out, the fast will be less efficient and effective. Let the body do its work.

Post: #168

I wasn't hitting the gym while fasting, I decided to stop the fast yesterday night so 2 days instead of my originally planned 3. The only activity I did during the fast was walk up a small mountain for a few hours and that was to burn some extra fat. Next time the walk will be lighter though. Thanks bro!

Post: #169

I meant workout while on Keto, and when you transition into the fast give up the working out. Then go back into keto and pick up the working out again. The things I noticed from the videos is that your HGH levels skyrocket, so I would want to be advantageous with that. I wouldn't want to do it without food, but I think Keto could be a healthy medium there. Anyway, everyone has a different body. But yes I wouldn't recommend working out if you havn't eaten in a couple days. Im just trying to take advantage somehow of that spike in HGH levels

Post: #170

It is also good to note that fasting is not even needed if one has a proper food intake and exercise routine. The only reason we fast is bc most do not have that. The main goal is to develop a proper long term food and exercise plan. Once that is implemented - fasting would not be required. But that is ()#(&^ HARD to do. Dam it. So we have to fast to make up for our shortcomings. Until we can develop enough mental strength to adhere to a food/exercise plan. But we will never get there to that point -- that is why fasting is necessary.

Post: #171

Is it ok to do a water fast, let's say, once a week? How often should you do it to gain the benefits is what I'm asking.

Post: #172

(04-27-2018 11:06 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Is it ok to do a water fast, let's say, once a week? How often should you do it to gain the benefits is what I'm asking.

Absolutely. Just Google "fasting one day a week" for more information.

Post: #173

I do a dry fast -- no water -- once a week -- usually every monday - when I can stay home and not have to go out. I have been doing this for over ten years now. Then on tues I will break fast with warm / hot water - with real lemon and a bit of salt. Lately I have been adding tumeric and ginger and black pepper.

Then I will have water rich fruits -- watermelon mostly. Then I will go for a one hour work out. Luckily the gym is right next door to me. Then I will have have lunch - it should be a salad or some soup -- but often I do not stick to that.

You get an amazing mental high from having a cleaned out body -- and the high with real physical and mental energy lasts for about two to three days.

Then of course you start stuffing yourself again and screw things up over the weekend. But then monday comes back again. For me Mondays are my fav days. As opposed to many who dread Mondays.

Oddly enough I still struggle with being a bit over weight. At 220 lbs right now. So fasting does not mean you will lose weight. But you do get internal health.

But again - a once a week fast is ok to do -- but do not expect any major benefits if you have poor eating habits.

Personally I struggle with good eating habits.

Fasting is fantastic to do -- but nothing can beat good eating and exercise habits.

Post: #174

(04-27-2018 11:06 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Is it ok to do a water fast, let's say, once a week? How often should you do it to gain the benefits is what I'm asking.

I was in a rush yesterday when I responded. Yes, short-term fasting is also very helpful to improving your health, but you will not obtain the benefits of longer term fasting.

The purpose of fasting more than three days is that when people fast it takes women about two days, and men about three days, for the human body to use up its supply of glucose so that it can reach a state of ketosis and burn stored fat. Many of the benefits of fasting do not arise until the body achieves ketosis, which takes time. It also takes a while for your brain to switch from glucose to fat as a fuel.

Moreover, the longer that you stay on a fast the more stored fat is burned as fuel. If you fast for several weeks you will lose fat that has been in your body for years or even decades (depending how overweight you are). Because most toxins are stored in fat cells, you will slowly and safely lose toxins that have literally been in your body for years! Allowing you body to slowly detoxify is much safer than removing toxins quickly through chelation and other processes that can overload your kidneys and liver and make things worse (because toxins can migrate to your brain through the bloodstream after being dumped by the liver when the liver gets overloaded by the sudden release of all the stored toxins). Your body can only remove so many toxins within a certain time -- and long-term fasting is a very safe way of eliminating stored toxins.

Post: #175

Excellent post TG.