Post: #5076

(03-17-2017 02:37 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  True, true. Check out the following for me:

Give a fleeting Compliment on some feature w/i her control, I.e, shirt, shoes etc.

CF line: You're lucky I could fit you into my schedule today

*requisite small talk*

Agreed
Agreed

No CF

Requisite Small Talk -I'm probably more deliberate about the feelings here, than the actual words.

(03-17-2017 02:37 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Tell me what your expectations of a man are (this is a setup for followup question)

With those exhaustive expectations, tell me what do you have to offer a successful man like myself

Tell me something fascinating/interesting about yourself

Disqualification based on interest (We would never work out, you're way to basic/complicated)

Tell me something bad your ex would say about you

Would you consider yourself a good lover?

Some sort of kino

Blah blah blah.

Anything to add/subtract?

This is pretty good...

Necessary
- after you hook the chick socially
- light flirt

- get her logistics
1) who she with
2) how she got her
3) plans for the night
4) plans for the morning
5) her housing situation

The key to efficiency/efficacy is that you don't go heavy on chicks until you know you can bang.

That's with the flirting and definitely with the public displays of affection.
Of course you need to adjust for the environment

So above you got the qualifying, and implicit in the Q&A she's verbally complying to your questions, as well as basically qualifying herself to you - putting her in the validation funnel.

I usually get some PHYSICAL compliance.
Maybe it's touch her first, get her to touch me back.
Maybe it's movement, let's go stand over there, let's sit on the couch.

In my view, the touch and the move are NATURAL, and helpful. Plus if she resists, you know you need to pull her in deeper.

So
- open
- flirt
- logistics
- Qualify and Answer
- Touch
- Movement

If any of these don't move forward, or become to complicated, save your ego the blow out and bounce on a high note.

The personal exploration type stuff (Cube, 3 animals, strawberry fields, 36 Questions) - I like to do after verbal attraction, touch, and movement, and some privacy as well. But I really like to run them after the bang.

Which has backfired in that the chick gets TOO attached.
You can modify it somewhat I believe and get sex kitten mode all the time.

WIA

Post: #5077

@DB

Yes I always mention some exotic travel that I have done.

Girls will normally ask me what I like to do, I reply I like to travel and take pics. She will ask me where I have been, then I tell her a few places and it goes from there.

Some black girls have even asked how I am able to take these trips ($$$) and with the white gals you see them thinking it.

I tone it down because I don't want to come across like I am too high end or bouji. I was in a bar/restaurant recently and some young white chick was showing strong interest, I rambled a bit too much about the travelling and asked her where she had been. She had not been anywhere and be came distant after I asked the question.

I also like to ask them where they have been, to find out if they are regulars in Dubai or Vegas.

I find when they ramble on they get more comfortable with you and ultimately they will say something that will reveal who they really are. As an old saying goes, you have to play dumb to catch the wise.!!

Like Mufasa said, I do a lot of talking with my eyes not with my mouth.

As Archie stated, I am not trying to invest too much into her at an early stage.

Instagram Game is great for showing off my travel pics and photo skills. This lets the bitch know I am doing stuff when they go AWOL or play that catch me if you can game.

Post: #5078

(03-17-2017 10:56 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 02:37 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  CF line: You're lucky I could fit you into my schedule today

No CF

whats CF?

Quote:Requisite Small Talk -I'm probably more deliberate about the feelings here, than the actual words.

This is everything. Gotta tap into her inner cavewoman, all about her bullshit "feels"

Quote:- get her logistics
1) who she with
2) how she got her
3) plans for the night
4) plans for the morning
5) her housing situation

The key to efficiency/efficacy is that you don't go heavy on chicks until you know you can bang.

Currently having one of those moments where Im realizing someone else on this forum hinted lack of detail on logistics was going to fuck me up but it didn't quite register until now. I think it was XXL or stalin but shit 20/20 hindsight this is probably the last thing I briefly graze upon and even that is rare and unintentional. just never crosses my mind. Gracias

(03-18-2017 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I tone it down because I don't want to come across like I am too high end or bouji.

Migos fuckin up the vernacular game. Its "bourgeois" goddamn it!!!

Quote:I find when they ramble on they get more comfortable with you and ultimately they will say something that will reveal who they really are. As an old saying goes, you have to play dumb to catch the wise.!!

Deep down we're all narcissists, for me using this against a girl and get her on some emotionally charged subject where she can ramble does wonders. Then like you said talk with the eyes and excited facial expressions like you're on this emotionally charged adventure thru her memories with her. Gets to be a heavy hook, she's gunna feel like y'all just "have this connection". Silly rabbit trix are for kids...

Quote:catch me if you can game.

fuck.this.shit.
Its even worse when they text you and tell you how much they miss you and shit and send you noods and then pull this shit. Drives me nuts, got a girl pulling this shit the week. Shits really pissin me off

Post: #5079

(03-18-2017 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Some black girls have even asked how I am able to take these trips ($$$) and with the white gals you see them thinking it.

This is an opportunity. I don't really mention my handful of trips unless she goes there first.

There's two ways to handle the conversation after you hit the hook point.

Once she's interested in chatting - most guys that aren't into conversation - they see this as "small talk"/"meaningless chit chat". These dudes that see it this way, in my opinion, come off as having an agenda. It's like when the salesman comes to your office and starts talking about the stuff on your desk.

I try not to do that. It's not that I don't have an agenda, not that I'm not trying to sell, or rather not trying to put myself in the buyer's position...

A) she leads and you riff
b) you lead and she responds, and then you riff.

So if she's talking about X,Y,and Z - I got a story for Z - that's option A

Option B is little like what Roosh recommends for prior to the hook point, dropping bait.

I generally prefer option A - but it implies that you can make her comfortable enough and interested enough to talk.

When it comes right down to it, our only resource is time, our only weapon is truly attention. I don't want to get to abstract - but a lot what I want to do is take up her time and focus her attention. But essentially - that's what the game is - you have her time, you have her attention - eventually you have her heart - her wanting to do whatever. That desire to please can come in a very loving way, or in a very sexual way (or in a motherly way) - and giving her your time and attention, withdrawing or modifying time and attention is essentially how you get her to give you the type of time and attention that you want. (if I had more time, I'd make this more clear, apology for the long exposition)

In terms of making our game more faster/deeper/more efficient - I take the approach that talking to her about stuff in her world, and showing mastery of it.

So most chicks hit you with a word salad, chat diarrhea...There's usually something you can pull out from whatever she says.

All this to say is that when you either notice her ears perk up during travel, or you even suspect it - that's a button you just uncovered.

I think the way most guys do this is if they find out she went to Brazil, and they've been to Brazil - the next 5 minutes are about Brazil, until Brazil is talked out.

The traditional way is to actually switch topics AWAY from Brazil, and keep Brazil in your back pocket. So when you switch to topics, B,C and D...if D fails, you go back to Brazil.

Lemme offer an alternative to both the hammer it till its done and the back pocket style.

Depending on where I am in the pull - where I gauge her interest - if I actually hit a topic that gets her going - I don't want to vomit all over her with facts and shit.

I actually want to draw her out.
"I noticed you crossed your legs when I said Japan..."

^Mix the cold read, the body language, and the verbal content.

Cold reads put a chick on tilt, make her defensive.

Continue with

"And I like that"

^release the tension, and show your interest in sexuality.

"have you ever wanted to really go somewhere, somewhere new?..."

From there it's
- where would you go
- why
- and what do you think it would feel like
- can you smell the air, feel the heat...

^ you can see where I'm going. I'm not trying to convey information.
I'm trying to make her imagine something in her mind, and make her feel it as she's talking to me.

I don't know if good feelings about drinking cocktails on the beach automatically convey to sexual feelings about me - What I do know is that I can start saying and doing more, because I'm getting her to comply with me. And every time she does something I say, she's rewarded with good feelings.

I'll say things like
"you don't have to pretend with me"

"I'm not judging you, plus I'm a stranger, chances are you're never going to see me again, which means you can be as honest as you want to be"

(03-18-2017 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I tone it down because I don't want to come across like I am too high end or bouji. I was in a bar/restaurant recently and some young white chick was showing strong interest, I rambled a bit too much about the travelling and asked her where she had been. She had not been anywhere and be came distant after I asked the question.

That's an issue when you have too much value. It's like when some of you muscle guys take off your shirt and the chick realize she ain't been in the gym since the dodgeball days.

In a case like that, if I'm really thinking on my feet, I go to one of her strengths in a different topic.

(03-18-2017 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I also like to ask them where they have been, to find out if they are regulars in Dubai or Vegas.

I find when they ramble on they get more comfortable with you and ultimately they will say something that will reveal who they really are. As an old saying goes, you have to play dumb to catch the wise.!!

TRUTH!

(03-18-2017 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Like Mufasa said, I do a lot of talking with my eyes not with my mouth.

As Archie stated, I am not trying to invest too much into her at an early stage.

Instagram Game is great for showing off my travel pics and photo skills. This lets the bitch know I am doing stuff when they go AWOL or play that catch me if you can game.

Indeed.

WIA

Post: #5080

One of my favorite Gmanifesto lines, from "How to Un-Pick up Girls:"

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/07/how...girls.html

Quote:Travel
This is the key. When you first meet a girl, you have to imply/tell a girl you travel a lot. For your humble author, this is easy, since I do. After you take her home that night and swoop her, tell her you have to go on a trip to Rio de Janeiro or Latvia or something. It’s the perfect “cool out”. Then call her a week and a half later and swoop her again. Rinse and Repeat. Sooner or later, she will meet some Ed Hardy shirt guy that will sponsor her and she will break up with you!

Post: #5081

So the weekly weekend report:

Wednesday - I went to college night here and met a girl and was doing fairly well but seemed to be hitting a wall. Met girl who loves America and loves Americans. We even got to grinding but couldn't get further.. In hindsight I spent too much time on the dancefloor and dancing with her and should have took her to the bar to work on comfort/attraction that way. She ended up going to a German guy.

Friday - Got there early but somehow just chose the wrong girl. All about status in the club. Was going well initially and she was by my side for a good bit. My strategy of acting like my German isnt good works well for controlling frame and interaction. She was complying well and I pulled off a kiss but she wouldn't let me hold it to get a proper one in. Was shying away.

This fucking bouncer blew up my spot. He came over and gave me a dap and starting speaking German right away and the girl was like 'what the fuck' I thought you don't speak German. Why'd you lie to me? She was actually annoyed about it and it kind of ruined things from there. Later I saw her at random tables and trying to flirt with the head promoter in the club. She actually played herself since that guy runs the top club for talent in Cologne and wasn't interested in her.

Saturday - I was kind of burned out from the week but didn't want to stay home so I decided to go to my friends nightclub and be a doorman for the night. Interesting experience. Women will do anything in get in the favor of a man with power. Ended up getting meeting a hot 19 year blonde girl with nice C cup titties flirting her ass off. I went for the number and she mentioned she had a boyfriend and I don't normally run boyfriend destroyer game so I get turned off when they say that. She was like if I was single you'd be my number one. Decided to go for the Facebook. I sent her a friend request from my phone instead of taking her phone and making her send me a friend request. FUCK im stupid.. the burnout was killing me.. Now Im here wondering if she'll accept the request or not. Argh.

Bad game weekend for me but one of my plates is back fresh from vacation and horny.... I'll have some sex, get back to neutral, recharge the batteries and start again.

Oh yeah there is one major development:

I have a very suspicious feeling that brothers are IN FACT pulling girls from one of two clubs here. Last night at 5:30am I saw a brother walking home with a clean 7.5 (her arms interlocked into his) and alot of white chicks even interacting with brothers (that even speak volumes). This is not the first time ive seen brothers coming from that area with white chicks either on their arms or walking and talking with them. It wasnt as apparent before because the clubs were in two different locations but now one moved and they are directly next to each other and its glaring out at me. The problem is that both these clubs are generally for the "lower class" people (idiots/uneducated/fights/always police outside) and young college girls and of course a bit of African guys. Now I am really faced with a real situation in my eyes.

I have ZERO clout in these clubs... this is going to mean getting to the club super early to avoid long lines (and they are LONG), no doorman power, no free drinks, cover charges but on the upside I might have an easier time with the girls in these places. I think its going to require some heavy investment on my side to get the hang of this place, get back social value and start grabbing my share of girls.

I honestly hate the idea of this since I prefer the higher end clubs and quality there but I can't ignore the fact that I might have an easier time if I went down in the status a bit. The girls in the higher status places are just a real hard grind (for blacks). I am looking at these dudes and if they can do it I KNOW I can. The girls in the higher end spots don't seem to be feeling us like that and when I see brothers coming out of there like that. It makes me really really question my strategy. Its fucking unfortunate shit is like that. If these guys can do 7s... I can surely do 8s or maybe even 9s

I guess I gotta dig deep down into the dirt to get the gold.

Post: #5082

keep trucking, kirdiesel, I am with you all the way. Sounds like you are getting traction on the scene. Do you find that the strategies in Germany are the same as in the USA? I mean if we eradicate the race factor and pre-concieved notions of brothas, do you still have to run the same strategies, sets etc?

For example, some guys are against PDA in clubs with lizards, they feel that it destroys chances with lizards. I am not under the impression that PDA is a negative factor in Europe (Germany).

Post: #5083

(03-19-2017 10:03 AM)Moma Wrote:  keep trucking, kirdiesel, I am with you all the way. Sounds like you are getting traction on the scene. Do you find that the strategies in Germany are the same as in the USA? I mean if we eradicate the race factor and pre-concieved notions of brothas, do you still have to run the same strategies, sets etc?

For example, some guys are against PDA in clubs with lizards, they feel that it destroys chances with lizards. I am not under the impression that PDA is a negative factor in Europe (Germany).

Im curious about this as well. In my experience German girls can be very cold physcially in public, even after you have already hit that. Nothing like the closeness you would get from a Latin or even American girl almost immediately. Perhaps it changes in a long term relationship though.

Post: #5084

(03-18-2017 01:10 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:56 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 02:37 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  CF line: You're lucky I could fit you into my schedule today

No CF

whats CF?

Cocky and Funny.

WIA

Post: #5085

(03-19-2017 10:03 AM)Moma Wrote:  keep trucking, kirdiesel, I am with you all the way. Sounds like you are getting traction on the scene. Do you find that the strategies in Germany are the same as in the USA? I mean if we eradicate the race factor and pre-concieved notions of brothas, do you still have to run the same strategies, sets etc?

For example, some guys are against PDA in clubs with lizards, they feel that it destroys chances with lizards. I am not under the impression that PDA is a negative factor in Europe (Germany).

I am 100% getting traction now. EVERY night I go out something happens now. Irrespective of me it turning into a bang, a girl is presenting herself as attracted to me on every single evening now. Honestly, I really think its just a matter of time now.

Biggest change for me... I changed my whole look from this:



With more of a fun and friendly attitude

To this




Along with a more serious and aggressive demeanor (luke warm friendly but not easily smiling and what not).

Depending on your style you will have to adjust your game accordingly here vs USA.

In the US my go to method was dancefloor game. In Germany dancefloor game is not really there. Most of the time you have to walk to the girl and spit first and then dance with her. If you jump in and grab her or grind on her (like in the US) they seem to get nervous and blow you out quickly. So even in clubs its more "Bar Game" rather than Dancefloor game. I had to heavily recalibrate that here.

- If you do want to dive in head first you can take her hand and "spin" her around on some salsa shit and that trick tends to work sometimes as well.

An easy way to open a German girl is take your glass (as you are walking by) bang it against hers and say "Cheers" or "Pro-st". She will then look at you and smile and from there you have her attention and can open and move forward. Doing the cheers here is a common traditional gesture and its seen as rude not to address someone when they do it to you.

I do PDA in clubs. But not too much (can't show too much interest) you need to pump the sexual tension if you want to build a chance at taking her home with you. The Last ONS I was firm but friendly with her in the beginning and slowly began to open up. I didn't kiss her until we bounced to the second location. It wasn't like a passionate kiss either.. more of an animalistic I'm gonna kill you the bedroom type of kiss.....

Just more stoic and at the same time aggressive in the whole approach IMO. Be confident... Smirk rather than smile..... You have to be a step behind her in warmness.

Post: #5086

(03-18-2017 03:27 PM)redbeard Wrote:  One of my favorite Gmanifesto lines, from "How to Un-Pick up Girls:"

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/07/how...girls.html

Quote:Travel
This is the key. When you first meet a girl, you have to imply/tell a girl you travel a lot. For your humble author, this is easy, since I do. After you take her home that night and swoop her, tell her you have to go on a trip to Rio de Janeiro or Latvia or something. It’s the perfect “cool out”. Then call her a week and a half later and swoop her again. Rinse and Repeat. Sooner or later, she will meet some Ed Hardy shirt guy that will sponsor her and she will break up with you!

Great article Redbeard.

My homie uses pilot game, to let the girls know he won't be around much.

I really liked the part about success stories, I am of the opinion girls don't like it when you are too successful and independent.

Post: #5087

Kirdiesel - it disappoints me that style #1 wasn't getting traction. Would much rather dress/behave as the former.

Post: #5088

(03-19-2017 12:05 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Kirdiesel - it disappoints me that style #1 wasn't getting traction. Would much rather dress/behave as the former.

You can dress how you want if you have the frame to carry it through. If you enjoy your style then even though it seems like more work to convince her that you are a bad bwoy (as per the ripped clothing, jeans jacket and torn jeans), it actually won't seem like hard work because you will be comfortable and having fun.

Post: #5089

(03-19-2017 12:05 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Kirdiesel - it disappoints me that style #1 wasn't getting traction. Would much rather dress/behave as the former.

I preferred my suits as well.. I had some great DB suits and whatnot... But it just wasn't working for me man.

The bad boy attitude and look is working for me much much much (had to emphasize here) better. In my home club I am one of only a few people who are allowed to dress like this too and this give me an additional advantage in the venue. Ive tried it also in other venues and its just taken off.

I truly believe its why my closure rates are going up.

Post: #5090

(03-19-2017 01:31 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 12:05 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Kirdiesel - it disappoints me that style #1 wasn't getting traction. Would much rather dress/behave as the former.

I preferred my suits as well.. I had some great DB suits and whatnot... But it just wasn't working for me man.

The bad boy attitude and look is working for me much much much (had to emphasize here) better. In my home club I am one of only a few people who are allowed to dress like this too and this give me an additional advantage in the venue. Ive tried it also in other venues and its just taken off.

I truly believe its why my closure rates are going up.

WORD

My old roommate put me on that "long T-European kanye west metro" look before I moved out.
Shit slays here in austin
The dark colors scream "this guy fucks"

Post: #5091

(03-19-2017 01:34 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 01:31 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 12:05 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Kirdiesel - it disappoints me that style #1 wasn't getting traction. Would much rather dress/behave as the former.

I preferred my suits as well.. I had some great DB suits and whatnot... But it just wasn't working for me man.

The bad boy attitude and look is working for me much much much (had to emphasize here) better. In my home club I am one of only a few people who are allowed to dress like this too and this give me an additional advantage in the venue. Ive tried it also in other venues and its just taken off.

I truly believe its why my closure rates are going up.

WORD

My old roommate put me on that "long T-European kanye west metro" look before I moved out.
Shit slays here in austin
The dark colors scream "this guy fucks"

Yeah I got 2 leather jackets with graffiti writing on he back of the it and just ordered a really wild one to pair with the long line shirts, black boots and ripped jeans.. I also rock it with a backwards black snapback.

It def makes you look like a badass and brings an air of mystique around you.

Post: #5092

Where are you guys going to buy stylish clothes? When I shop at the mall, none of the stores (HM, Nordstrom, etc.) have any kind of bad boy clothing. The selection seems limited.

Post: #5093

(03-19-2017 02:59 PM)Iso Wrote:  Where are you guys going to buy stylish clothes? When I shop at the mall, none of the stores (HM, Nordstrom, etc.) have any kind of bad boy clothing. The selection seems limited.

http://us.asos.com/?hrd=1

Post: #5094

(03-19-2017 02:59 PM)Iso Wrote:  Where are you guys going to buy stylish clothes? When I shop at the mall, none of the stores (HM, Nordstrom, etc.) have any kind of bad boy clothing. The selection seems limited.

This "bad boy" style is simply called street style. Ive upped the ante a little bit to add a punk twist to make it more hardcore.

You can look up example of how to do it on Instagram.

Many pieces can be found at ZARA and ASOS.. Long line T-Shirts, Skinny Ripped jeans, Long line cardigans... The painted leather jackets can be hard to find and when you do they are expensive so youll have to look around. The one I just bought is $300 but ive been able to grab a fake leather one for $60 and gotten compliments.

Black leather boots are easy to find too.

Post: #5095

Sometimes I go digging in old posts to see what I missed in the old days of this forum

Books on Game
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Good Player, Bad Player wingman move
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We always have new posts but its interesting to see the things the "pillars of the community" were doing and discussing in earlier days of this player shit

Post: #5096

Post: #5097

^

I've been slacking on work for my business the past few days, and that video was just the motivation I needed. The lifestyle he has is exactly the reason I quit my job to work on this thing in the first place.

Post: #5098

^

WIA,

I just started following Jubril on social media and I must say that he is doing it right. Digital marketing seems to be paying off for him...

Post: #5099

(03-20-2017 02:53 AM)Fury Wrote:  ^

WIA,

I just started following Jubril on social media and I must say that he is doing it right. Digital marketing seems to be paying off for him...

I need to figure out what ol boy is selling Affiliate wise.

I see cats like him make it, and wonder how can I do what they do.

I also wonder who else is in the space for cool digital nomad.
Cause most of the guys/girls I see in that - I don't like them. I don't like their personalities and what they're interested in.

WIA

Post: #5100

That dude is KILLING it. I'm not sure I'd want to live there (I have never been to Colombia so cant talk) but damn does that lifestyle look good.

With that place and that money I can't even imagine the kind of ass hes slaying down there.

I am also doing an online side hustle right now on top my regular job and am making about $900 a month on the side but it requires me to live in either the Netherlands, Belgium or West Germany. Not fantastic options but better than nothing.

Making money online is a damn beautiful thing though. Nothing beats being at home and having money to show for it.