Post: #251

P.S. It's funny to see this forum split across mainly ethnic lines. So many butt-hurt minorities foaming at the mouth about imaginary nazis....Hilarious if you ask me!

It kind of proves Spencer's point, doesn't it? No ideology (even the red pill, or PUA or whatever) can unite men. Identity reins supreme.

I think some of you are finding that reality to be somewhat traumatic. But don't worry, Kona, Atlanta Man, etc...you guys will always have a motherland to go back to. With no neo-nazis to be found! The living standards may be a bit dodgy though...

Post: #252

Anyone that thinks all non-whites are going to be deported from the United States is living in a fantasy land. That's why anyone that wants a White Separatist movement within the United States is drinking the Koolaid. Expulsion of large numbers of non-whites might actually happen in Europe within our lifetimes, as ethnic identity is more homogenous over there than it is in the United States. Spencer is arguing for a lost cause here in America, one that the vast majority of whites don't want, not to mention all the non-whites that would fight it tooth and nail.

Post: #253

(02-07-2017 07:42 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Anyone that thinks all non-whites are going to be deported from the United States is living in a fantasy land. That's why anyone that wants a White Separatist movement within the United States is drinking the Koolaid. Expulsion of large numbers of non-whites might actually happen in Europe within our lifetimes, as ethnic identity is more homogenous over there than it is in the United States. Spencer is arguing for a lost cause here in America, one that the vast majority of whites don't want, not to mention all the non-whites that would fight it tooth and nail.

He's never been an "all or nothing" guy.

I'm starting to wonder how many of you critics have actually read up on his views?

He wants a 50 year moratorium on immigrants (legal and otherwise). That's an awesome idea.

Almost more concerning than the illegals (who could made to self-deport quite easily), are all the legal migrants. IRTs on H1B1 visas,etc...We don't fucking need 'em.

I can't recall the last time stuck in traffic on the way home I thought to myself..."If only we had more people!".

If you cut off the flow of migrants, the demographics at least have a fighting chance of sorting themselves out.

But if it came to violence, come on now...

We'd win the war quite easily. We'd have 50 million Joe Rednecks each with their own small arsenal. And 90% of the military.

It certainly wouldn't be pretty though...I think there are better ways.

Post: #254

(02-07-2017 07:38 PM)IHeartGlobalism Wrote:  P.S. It's funny to see this forum split across mainly ethnic lines. So many butt-hurt minorities foaming at the mouth about imaginary nazis....Hilarious if you ask me!

It kind of proves Spencer's point, doesn't it? No ideology (even the red pill, or PUA or whatever) can unite men. Identity reins supreme.

I think some of you are finding that reality to be somewhat traumatic. But don't worry, Kona, Atlanta Man, etc...you guys will always have a motherland to go back to. With no neo-nazis to be found! The living standards may be a bit dodgy though...

Post: #255

(02-07-2017 07:53 PM)Delta Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 07:38 PM)IHeartGlobalism Wrote:  P.S. It's funny to see this forum split across mainly ethnic lines. So many butt-hurt minorities foaming at the mouth about imaginary nazis....Hilarious if you ask me!

It kind of proves Spencer's point, doesn't it? No ideology (even the red pill, or PUA or whatever) can unite men. Identity reins supreme.

I think some of you are finding that reality to be somewhat traumatic. But don't worry, Kona, Atlanta Man, etc...you guys will always have a motherland to go back to. With no neo-nazis to be found! The living standards may be a bit dodgy though...

So which minority group do you belong to?

I'm gonna go with Indian.

The ban hammer may be coming for me. But the I.C.E hammer is coming for you, bud. That I can tell you...

Post: #256

I'd like to to add...

This notion that, "America is already a multiculturalist shithole...nothing to be done about it" is defeatist cuckery.

When Isabella took power in Castille, half of Spain was still ruled by Muslims. And had been for 600 years. They had greater numbers, greater wealth and an empire spanning half the world.

Did the teenage queen throw her hands up in the air? Did she accept that her nations fate was sealed?

NO!

She fucking kicked them out one over-tanned bastard at a time.

And you guys call yourself MEN of the manosphere...and yet you have half her balls.

As our newly elected president would say, SAD!

Post: #257

^Another troll who will think he's being banned because this forum "can't handle the truth" or some related nonsense, when really it was his inability to state his opinions without being a pompous ass.

Post: #258

^History is written by pompous men my little IRT....

I'm not quite sure what you mean by trolling. I feel that implies insincerity. On the contrary, everything I've written I hold to be true.

Post: #259

IHeartGlobalism I am a nationalist and pro-white but America has pretty much never been all-white, unless you get into "slaves aren't citizens" etc.

Making America all-white is a ridiculous pipe dream. all-American I can go with if English is not your first language get on this plane out or get butchered.

Post: #260

Again, lets dispatch this language of absolutes...

One could say that Hungary was never entirely white. (Because at one point in time the Mongols subdued it...)

It's a silly argument.

America has always been overwhelmingly white, 90% clear up to 1970. We'll leave the natives out of this as there was no America under their stewardship.

But as for the blacks, I think Richard makes a convincing point. It hasn't worked out to well for them, has it?

They were enslaved for centuries. Their lives still sucked after they were freed.

Now, they've got the benefit of white-guilt libtards trying to balance the scales. But even with affirmative action, and scholarships galore, their inner cities are barely better than what you'd find in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Basically, it sucks to be a minority. The blacks know that better than anyone.

P.S. You can't put this simply in terms of language, or ideals. That's a very quaint conservative notion. "As long as they speak English, eat McDonalds, and play football...they're American. Hurrah!".

Just no lol.

If I were to put you in a room with two strangers, a Nigerian(native English speaker) and a Dane (mumbles a bit...and obviously ESL)...

Who are you going to have more in common with? For most euro-Americans, it's going to be the latter.

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Post: #262

Blacks were actually doing relatively well throughout various parts of the 20th century(one could argue that Blacks were doing better post-slavery than they're doing now). In the 40's the Black illegitimacy rate was only 14% (this jumped up to 25% by 1965). Around that time the White and Black unemployment rate was neck and neck with only a 1.2% percent discrepancy in favor of whites There were thriving Black communities (look up Black wallstreet) even at a time when racism was openly endorsed. Where things began to bottom out was the induction of the welfare state, feminism and liberal doctrine.

Post: #263

(02-07-2017 07:29 PM)IHeartGlobalism Wrote:  However he will never have the mass appeal of a Spencer.

Spencer thinks he's a populist like Trump, when he's really just a weirdo with limited appeal to a marginal set - he's Evan McMullin with a fashy hairdo.

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Post: #265

(02-07-2017 09:40 PM)the high Wrote:  Blacks were actually doing relatively well throughout various parts of the 20th century(one could argue that Blacks were doing better post-slavery than they're doing now). In the 40's the Black illegitimacy rate was only 14% (this jumped up to 25% by 1965). Around that time the White and Black unemployment rate was neck and neck with only a 1.2% percent discrepancy in favor of whites There were thriving Black communities (look up Black wallstreet) even at a time when racism was openly endorsed. Where things began to bottom out was the induction of the welfare state, feminism and liberal doctrine.

What happened to Black Wall Street, and Rosewood?Did those economic footholds just set themselves on fire? No, Emmett Till like bullshit stories made up by white women lead to their destruction- Please understand how our economic centers being destroyed like that continue to reverberate to this day. There is a reason we as a people linger at the bottom of the economic ladder decade after decade,only Native Americans are in a worse economic situation.

Post: #266

Atlanta Man,

I've only barely heard of Emmitt Till. Was he a Black man that was executed after falsely being accused of rape by a White woman?

Also, what did you mean by this: "What happened to Black Wall Street, and Rosewood?Did those economic footholds just set themselves on fire? No, Emmett Till like bullshit stories made up by white women lead to their destruction"?

Post: #267

As a black African I sympathize with whites who want an all white state. Hope it works out for you.

Post: #268

On a serious note, I think in Europe people should be allowed to have that, without being forced to be "enriched". I don't see that making any sense in America though.

Post: #269

(02-08-2017 10:10 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  On a serious note, I think in Europe people should be allowed to have that, without being forced to be "enriched". I don't see that making any sense in America though.

The American version is Manifest Destiny, the idea that Americans, as descendants and heirs of Europe, were meant to recreate the Old World in the New without the failings of the Old World.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Manifest_destiny
https://books.google.com/books?id=GhYJTaZiuxwC
https://books.google.com/books?id=vcsk8UsgNRsC

Post: #270

(02-08-2017 04:05 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  As a black African I sympathize with whites who want an all white state. Hope it works out for you.

In this day and age of international travel and trade, I don't think an all-(anything) state is impossible to enforce. What do you do with all the multiracial people out there? I think what is possible, and should be enforced is that the majority population of country, be it in Africa, Europe, Asia should have the last say as what kind of people are allowed into the country. There's a very strong case to be made for a majority ethic group being protected.

Just as Europeans shouldn't go back to colonizing Africa, non-whites shouldn't be a majority in Europe. Productive members of society of any race should be encouraged to immigrate if their services are needed. I consider the minority in any country to be like a little bit of spice in the soup. Add a sprinkling in, and it adds flavor, but if you pour in the whole can, you ruin the soup.

Multiculturalism doesn't work in any country it has been tried. The majority of any country, no matter the continent, needs to keep an identity, otherwise it will lead to conflict when too many minority groups will compete for power instead of treating government as a civic good, it will turn into a slaughterhouse of identity politics.

America isn't like Europe in that we have many minorities that have been living here for so many generations, unlike the recent invaders to Europe. I still think America will be best as a majority white country, if for no other reason than sadly, minorities in the United States are deeply leftist as a whole. I have a few minority conservative friends, but that doesn't change the fact that as a voting bloc, they are very toxic, supporting leftists in every state they vote in.

I'd love to hear of a way to convince minorities to leave the leftist compound, but I haven't seen a way forward in that regard. Every time appeals are made to minorities, they just cuck the politicans like Rubio who promises more illegal immigration. The minorities aren't interested in genuine conservatism, in the main. I'm not sure what can be done to win over a group that overall isn't interested in protecting our borders or loves to pander to SJW's.

It is hard being a conservative white man in America these days without sounding like a racist. In fact, you could say I'm a racist in the sense I think a white majority is best, because it is the demographic best suited to protect limited government and Law and Order. If there was a way of magically converting all my liberal minority neighbors into conservatives, then I'd be more open to having a more mixed culture. But the problem is, I still haven't seen any viable way of making minorities (in the whole) more conservative.

I'd love to hear some ideas as to how Trump or other conservatives can win over minorities. Just being a white man that supports Trump makes one appear in the public eye that I can't wait for the second-coming of the KKK. If there's a way more minorities can be converted, we ought to be working on doing so ASAP. The question is how? Perhaps some of the conservative minority men here on this forum can chime in as to what they think such a plan of action might look like.

Post: #271

(02-08-2017 03:28 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Atlanta Man,

I've only barely heard of Emmitt Till. Was he a Black man that was executed after falsely being accused of rape by a White woman?

Also, what did you mean by this: "What happened to Black Wall Street, and Rosewood?Did those economic footholds just set themselves on fire? No, Emmett Till like bullshit stories made up by white women lead to their destruction"?

Some quick background from Wikipedia:

Greenwood is a neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma. As one of the most prominent concentrations of African-American businesses in the United States during the early 20th century, it was popularly known as America's "Black Wall Street" until the Tulsa race riot of 1921, in which white residents massacred hundreds of black residents and razed the neighborhood within hours. The riot was one of the most devastating massacres in the history of U.S. race relations, destroying the once thriving Greenwood community.

The Rosewood massacre was a violent, racially motivated massacre of blacks and destruction of a black town that took place during the first week of January 1923 in rural Levy County, Florida.Prior to the massacre, the town of Rosewood had been a quiet, primarily black, self-sufficient whistle stop on the Seaboard Air Line Railway.

Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African-American teenager who was murdered in Mississippi at the age of 14 after reportedly flirting with a white woman. The brutality of his murder and the fact that his killers were never punished drew attention to the long history of persecution of African-Americans in the United States, and Till posthumously became an icon of the Civil Rights Movement.

The Trouble in Rosewood and Black Wall Street Started:
The Tulsa Race Riot occurred in late May 31 and June 1, 1921. On the day of the riot, 35 square blocks of homes and businesses were torched by mobs of angry whites. The riot began because of the alleged assault of a white elevator operator, 17-year-old Sarah Page, by a black shoeshiner, 19-year-old Dick Rowland.

Trouble began in Rosewood when white men from several nearby towns lynched a black Rosewood resident because of unsupported accusations that a white woman in nearby Sumner had been beaten and possibly raped by a black drifter. When the town's black citizens rallied together to defend themselves against further attacks, a mob of several hundred whites combed the countryside hunting for black people, and burned almost every structure in Rosewood.

As a prelude to False Rape accusations of today and "Sexual Assault" being broadly defined:
Carolyn Donham, The white woman at the center of the Emmett Till case, has admitted she lied in the case that led to the murder decades ago of the 14-year-old black boy in Mississippi.

Post: #272

I didn't know who Richard Spencer was so I looked him up, here's what wikipedia says about his views:

Quote:According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Spencer advocates for a white homeland for a "dispossessed white race" and calls for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to halt the "deconstruction" of European culture.[18][36][19]

In 2013, the Anti-Defamation League recognized Spencer as a leader in white supremacist circles, saying that since his time at The American Conservative, he has rejected conservatism, because according to Spencer, its adherents "can't or won't represent explicitly white interests."[37]

In a 2016 interview for Time magazine, Spencer said he rejected white supremacy and the slavery of nonwhites, preferring to establish America as a white ethnostate.[38]

Spencer opposes same-sex marriage,[39] which he described as "unnatural" and a "non-issue," commenting that "very few gay men will find the idea of monogamy to their liking".[40]

Matthew Heimbach of the Traditionalist Youth Network (TYN) was reportedly disinvited from an NPI event for his anti-gay views, while Jack Donovan, an openly gay alt-right author, was a key speaker.[41]

Spencer openly supported Donald Trump in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and called Trump's victory "the victory of will", a phrase echoing the title of Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will, a Nazi-era propaganda film.[10] Upon Trump's appointment of Steve Bannon as chief White House strategist and senior counselor, Spencer said Bannon would be in "the best possible position" to influence policy.[42]

Even though he's more extreme than my views it seems to me he just wants a place where whites can be left alone and live peacefully away from non whites. He's not advocating for war and destruction of non whites, so why all the hostility? A lot of people here would share his views. Why all the gay innuendo when there's zero to indicate he is one and glee for him being sucker punched by an antifa?

I've noticed some guys like Atlanta Man who very strongly dislike anything with a pro white bent got their perfect opportunity in this thread to spew their dislike using the evil white nazi as an excuse.

Post: #273

Teutatis Wrote:Even though he's more extreme than my views it seems to me he just wants a place where whites can be left alone and live peacefully away from non whites. He's not advocating for war and destruction of non whites, so why all the hostility?

I feel no hostility towards Richard Spencer, because I think he shifts the Overton Window to the right. But I think I inherently understand the legitimate hostility he inspires.

Enigma did an excellent job of defining crucial terms like "reactionary" and "fascist". A "reactionary" is someone whose political viewpoints tend to be against both modernization and the relaxing of traditional social norms that happens through city-dwelling and immigration. A "fascist" (bundle of sticks) is someone who wants to use the government as a blunt object to beat down on undesirable people.

Two confusions develop from these terms. The first is that a person can legitimately be either a "non violent reactionary" or a "violent reactionary". (Donald Trump is a non-violent reactionary.) The second is that, while all fascists are reactionaries, not all reactionaries are fascists.

Spencer produces legitimate annoyance among Normies because he's a FASCIST. He wants to use government, (or the army), (or the will of the people), (or market incentives such as vastly different prices for goods in certain areas, depending on your race), to exclude non-Whites from his White ethnostate. Most hostility stems from him wanting a White ethnostate, but I reject the explanation that Normies hate him because he wants a White ethnostate.

Normies, instead, hate Spencer's guts because Spencer presents himself as a "non-violent fascist". (He never uses these words, mind you, but if you accept Enigma's definitions, Spencer automatically becomes a "non-violent fascist".) The hate happens because we know many times when so-called" racial cleansing" or "racial purification" has been attempted - and exactly every fucking time, that process has become extremely violent. Spencer's "non-violent fascism" has proven to be 100% non-existent, multiple times, but he stupidly suggests that this is what he is.

Post: #274

What Spencer never clearly says (but is obvious to anyone with a brain) is that to have an all-white ethnostate America, you'd have to have violence. You can't remove people without force. Of course people object to that! MMX2010 makes a great point, he makes Trump look "normal" in comparison, which is a good thing considering how much the Old Media has tried to paint Trump as Hitler.

Post: #275

John Michael Kane,

There's a phenomenon in advertising called "Decoy Pricing".

When two objects (cars, liquor, computers, doesn't matter) have similar specifications, but one is slightly more expensive than the other - it becomes difficult to justify spending the extra money. (You can then take the average amount of money spent, per purchase.)

Decoy pricing involves placing a similar third object, next to the two original objects, whose price is extremely expensive. No one buys the highest price object, BUT the presence of the third object makes it easier to rationalize buying the slightly higher-priced object. (Indeed, the average price per purchase significantly increases in all cases of Decoy Pricing.)

So I view Richard Spencer as a decoy-priced item. Without Spencer, the choice is between Paul Ryan and Trump. But with Spencer around, the choice is between Paul Ryan, Trump, and Spencer. Decoy pricing says this second arrangement benefits Trump.