Post: #301

(01-24-2017 03:07 AM)Unchained Wrote:  I don't understand the blind vitriol toward the hijab. I expected men on this forum to be able to look at things with a bit more nuance than that of someone who only watches Fox News or someone who lacks the intelligence to be able to entertain an idea without actually believing in it.

You're not going to find a lot of guys on this forum willing to say anything good about Islam.

The fact of the matter is that we're at war with Islam. Most of the people on this forum are patriots and fighters.

If you went to an American or British military base in 1945, how many American and British soldiers would be willing to admit that the Germans/Italians/Japanese were anything but pure evil?

In the modern Western world, we seem to have a lot of guilt about war. War is a natural part of our existence, but leftists demonize it so much that we find ourselves needing to justify our wars by convincing ourselves that our enemies are "pure evil" and that we are the good guys.

I believe this mindset actually puts us at a military disadvantage because it makes it harder for us to understand our enemies. If we believe our enemies are motivated purely by "evil," "religious fanaticism," "desire to kill," "barbarism," etc., then we close ourselves off from understanding their true motivations.

Post: #302

Muslim men routinely abuse Muslim women. They do not afford them their basic human dignity. Their own prophet was a pedophile, no ifs, ands or butts. I'm a conservative Catholic who believes in female modesty, and that it is a good thing for society. Those values should be instilled by parents, but if a girl breaks them, the punishment shouldn't be a punch to the face, a beating or acid tossed all over her. In Islam, there is a distinct lack of mercy or forgiveness for wrongdoing. That's where any attempts to drawn a comparison to Christianity fall flat on their face. Christianity instructs its membership that all human life has value, because every human has a soul, and has capability of doing good or evil. Ultimately God will judge those who are wicked. Islam, on the other hand, forces its believers to put to the sword those that they disagree with. Wherever there is Islam, there is conflict in the world. It was founded by tribal barbarians, and its roots have never left the religion. As the meme goes, dogs are haram, ban them! What kind of faith hates something as loving, gentle and loyal as a dog? Comparing the great works of Christianity to Islam is an insult to Christians everywhere, especially in light of the fact that Islam continues to rape and pillage their way across Europe as we speak. The only thing it understands is force. And its day of reckoning is soon coming.

Post: #303

(01-24-2017 10:24 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Muslim men routinely abuse Muslim women. They do not afford them their basic human dignity. Their own prophet was a pedophile, no ifs, ands or butts. I'm a conservative Catholic who believes in female modesty, and that it is a good thing for society. Those values should be instilled by parents, but if a girl breaks them, the punishment shouldn't be a punch to the face, a beating or acid tossed all over her. In Islam, there is a distinct lack of mercy or forgiveness for wrongdoing. That's where any attempts to drawn a comparison to Christianity fall flat on their face. Christianity instructs its membership that all human life has value, because every human has a soul, and has capability of doing good or evil. Ultimately God will judge those who are wicked. Islam, on the other hand, forces its believers to put to the sword those that they disagree with. Wherever there is Islam, there is conflict in the world. It was founded by tribal barbarians, and its roots have never left the religion. As the meme goes, dogs are haram, ban them! What kind of faith hates something as loving, gentle and loyal as a dog? Comparing the great works of Christianity to Islam is an insult to Christians everywhere, especially in light of the fact that Islam continues to rape and pillage their way across Europe as we speak. The only thing it understands is force. And its day of reckoning is soon coming.

I'm not going to sit here and defend Islam. You're right when you say the only thing Muslims understand is force, and we should not hesitate to use all the force at our disposal to stop them.

I agree with most (although not all) of what you said about Muslim theology.

Christians believe that every person has a soul and therefore has value. Christians value all human life. Muslims do not. Muslims only value their own people, and they don't give a shit about anyone who is not Muslim.

I still don't think we need to denounce every aspect of Muslim culture as "evil." In my opinion, just because someone says they like and/or respect a certain aspect of Muslim culture doesn't mean they're insulting Christianity.

Post: #304

What little there is to salvage about Muslim theology is already incorporated in a much more deep cannon of thought comprised in the Bible, the early Church Fathers teachings, the Saints and many other volumes of books.

The Vatican library is one of the world's most treasured vaults of books in the world:



There's plenty of intellectual vigor that can be had there without looking to redeem a death cult like Islam. As we speak, ISIS continues to destroy ancient monuments in Syria and Iraq. There's nothing more anti-intellectual than Islam. The only thing it understands ultimately is the sword.

Post: #305

↑ Agreed.

I don't think we need to "redeem" Islam in any way whatsoever. They are a violent people who do not give a shit about us (and would rather see us dead). We have no use for them or their religion.

All I am saying is that there is no harm in trying to understand our enemies and their motivations. Just because I decide to read "Mein Kampf," and have a more nuanced view of Hitler's motivations than the standard "Hitler was motivated purely by hatred and bigotry," doesn't mean I agree with him or think he was a good guy.

There is a big difference between trying to understand someone and agreeing with them.

Post: #306

(01-24-2017 10:09 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 03:07 AM)Unchained Wrote:  I don't understand the blind vitriol toward the hijab. I expected men on this forum to be able to look at things with a bit more nuance than that of someone who only watches Fox News or someone who lacks the intelligence to be able to entertain an idea without actually believing in it.

You're not going to find a lot of guys on this forum willing to say anything good about Islam.

The fact of the matter is that we're at war with Islam. Most of the people on this forum are patriots and fighters.

If you went to an American or British military base in 1945, how many American and British soldiers would be willing to admit that the Germans/Italians/Japanese were anything but pure evil?

In the modern Western world, we seem to have a lot of guilt about war. War is a natural part of our existence, but leftists demonize it so much that we find ourselves needing to justify our wars by convincing ourselves that our enemies are "pure evil" and that we are the good guys.

I believe this mindset actually puts us at a military disadvantage because it makes it harder for us to understand our enemies. If we believe our enemies are motivated purely by "evil," "religious fanaticism," "desire to kill," "barbarism," etc., then we close ourselves off from understanding their true motivations.

We're not at war with Islam. We're at war with a minority. The number one victim of Islamic terrorism is OTHER FUCKING MUSLIMS.

There's 2 billion Muslims on the planet we're at war with a few million at most.

Also I'm a patriot and a fighter as well who served in the US military but that doesn't also mean I'm a close minded idiot who doesn't know who his true enemies are.

The Zionist elites who run the planet, keep it destabilized and constantly in scarcity, and empower terrorists in the first place are more our enemies than some random fuck in Yemen or Libya who can't read and probably couldn't even locate the US on a map.

Also at the other guy, Corinthians is in the New Testament if you proclaim to believe the Bible is the word of God.

I'm not even religious was just pointing out to shed some perspective.

But go on people with your "We're at war with all Muslims" mindset. We are in a cultural war but it doesn't stop with Islam. Like I said some of you guys sound idiotically one sided and your perspective lacks nuance or depth.

Many of you will make useful idiots in the wars to come.

Post: #307

(01-24-2017 10:54 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  ↑ Agreed.

I don't think we need to "redeem" Islam in any way whatsoever. They are a violent people who do not give a shit about us (and would rather see us dead). We have no use for them or their religion.

All I am saying is that there is no harm in trying to understand our enemies and their motivations. Just because I decide to read "Mein Kampf," and have a more nuanced view of Hitler's motivations than the standard "Hitler was motivated purely by hatred and bigotry," doesn't mean I agree with him or think he was a good guy.

There is a big difference between trying to understand someone and agreeing with them.

To that end, yes, it is important to understand their motivations. You're correct to want to understand the underpinnings for their hate and violence.

(01-24-2017 11:02 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 10:09 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 03:07 AM)Unchained Wrote:  I don't understand the blind vitriol toward the hijab. I expected men on this forum to be able to look at things with a bit more nuance than that of someone who only watches Fox News or someone who lacks the intelligence to be able to entertain an idea without actually believing in it.

You're not going to find a lot of guys on this forum willing to say anything good about Islam.

The fact of the matter is that we're at war with Islam. Most of the people on this forum are patriots and fighters.

If you went to an American or British military base in 1945, how many American and British soldiers would be willing to admit that the Germans/Italians/Japanese were anything but pure evil?

In the modern Western world, we seem to have a lot of guilt about war. War is a natural part of our existence, but leftists demonize it so much that we find ourselves needing to justify our wars by convincing ourselves that our enemies are "pure evil" and that we are the good guys.

I believe this mindset actually puts us at a military disadvantage because it makes it harder for us to understand our enemies. If we believe our enemies are motivated purely by "evil," "religious fanaticism," "desire to kill," "barbarism," etc., then we close ourselves off from understanding their true motivations.

We're not at war with Islam. We're at war with a minority. The number one victim of Islamic terrorism is OTHER FUCKING MUSLIMS.

There's 2 billion Muslims on the planet we're at war with a few million at most.

Also I'm a patriot and a fighter as well who served in the US military but that doesn't also mean I'm a close minded idiot who doesn't know who his true enemies are.

The Zionist elites who run the planet, keep it destabilized and constantly in scarcity, and empower terrorists in the first place are more our enemies than some random fuck in Yemen or Libya who can't read and probably couldn't even locate the US on a map.

Also at the other guy, Corinthians is in the New Testament if you proclaim to believe the Bible is the word of God.

I'm not even religious was just pointing out to shed some perspective.

But go on people with your "We're at war with all Muslims" mindset. We are in a cultural war but it doesn't stop with Islam. Like I said some of you guys sound idiotically one sided and your perspective lacks nuance or depth.

Many of you will make useful idiots in the wars to come.

Yes, we are at war with Islam.

Summary, in meme form:



Throughout the Muslim world, non-Muslims are abused. This includes Christians, minority faiths and non-believers. There's no latitude for those who do not submit. Just because Muslims attack other Muslims primarily doesn't mean they don't have a beef with the West more broadly. Whenever Muslims become a vocal minority in any Western country, it is not because they are vocalizing to the Muslim community how to adopt Western values. No, it is always complaining about how the West needs to adopt to them. Islam is a supremacist doctrine. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims around the world have marched at different times because they were upset about someone insulting Allah. Their response? Stone the unbelievers! The "moderates" stay home and let the mob speak for them. There is no moderate Islam, only one that is willing to let the more violent in their midst do their dirty work. There is no Muslim organization of any significance that routinely calls out Muslim violence, or better yet, asks for a review of Islamic teachings as to why they are the root of Islamic violence. That would require too much introspection, something that Muslims are severely lacking in as a whole. The only Muslim that is truly peaceful and does not wish evil upon others is a Muslim deeply ignorant as to the roots of his faith, and the teachings described therein.

There's no doubt that leftist Jews hate Western civilization. They share the same desire for destruction and destabilization as the Islamic fanatics do. George Soros and the other ilk like him are evil personified, and we need to deal with them, just as we do the radical Jihadis. The modern Zionists didn't come into power until the last century. They are obviously very indebted to US interests in keeping them armed and financially and diplomatically alive. Personally, I have no problem with the state of Israel existing. I do have a problem with all the money we send them. I would rather have liberal Jews having to defend their own homeland than trying to get the United States embroiled in more Middle Eastern wars. As a soldier, I'm sure you've seen more than your fare share of violence and can agree that boots on the ground troops are the ones that suffer most, along with civilians caught in the crossfire. While there are good many nefarious Jews (Soros crowd et al) who are certainly anti-Gentile, that alone does not explain the barbarism or anti-intellectualism of Islam.

Soros and others like him are a problem. Islam is also a problem wherever it resides (not a matter of if, but how much of a problem). These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Post: #308

Yeah - but you also think that Mohammed is fantastic and that Muslim women are a million times better just becaus of submitting to their husband and Islam.

Islam has been at war with itself from the beginning. This is nothing new. Don't try to make up history as you go along. There were always schisms from the very fucking beginning. The first Muslims after Mohammed wanted to leave the cult and after 30.000 (out of 100.000) were killed, then the remaining apostates reconsidered. The first Khalifs were mostly murdered. Yes - the first victims of Islam are Muslims, but then are the rest. The radicals are the true Muslims, the secular moderates are only respected when they are coupled with immense military power like Saddam or Gaddafi or any other toppled strongman.

Islam itself is evil (there are some positive cultural aspects, but they don't count). The moderates simply don't adhere to all facets, but the moderates will be swept away. World War III with Islam will come, but you can bring that discussion over to the Migrant Thread.

This is about the march of the special snowflakes which actually was just a planned victory march for first female president. They reorganized and made it about nothing really 'Women blablabla" - and yes made it also about the "oppressed" Muslims. Those women are morons and anyone loving Mohammed or thinking that Islam is fantasticly modest is moronic as well.

And stop referring to Christian mindset as if you knew the stuff. Europeans and Americans have used Christianity only as a referral for ethics. Ever since the secularization, then no one was taking anything literally - neither the New Testament nor the Old Testament. Science developed due to this understanding. It is only Islam which always goes back to the very same barbaric backwards roots which are from the beginning infinitely more barbaric than Christianity ever was and ever will be.

Post: #309

The amount of credible information these people know amazes me.

Post: #310

If Trump really wants to win long-term, he's going to need to find a way to deal with our primary education indoctrination centers, not to mention loonies on college campuses. The hydra that needs to be cut down to size starts with indoctrination and culture. The sooner the right realizes that the real battle is in education, the sooner we win. The women in the march are all victims of a system which has brainwashed their fragile minds. The weak will always be amongst us, but that's why they need strong leadership and encouragement to become better (not everyone can be great) instead of wallow in self-pity. We need to Make Education Great Again. MEGA!

Post: #311

Limo Destroyed By Anti-Trump Rioters In DC Belongs To Muslim Immigrant, Fears Livelihood Lost

Images of so-called anti-Trump rioters breaking Starbucks' windows, busting trash cans, and burning bourgeois limousines in the streets of Washington DC really exposed the reality of the alt-left's tolerance and 'stuck it to the man'. The only problem being, in the case of the limo, 'the man' was Muslim immigrant Muhammad Ashraf whose small business now faces $70,000 losses and an injured employee.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24...ihood-lost

Post: #312

There's a gofundme account to fund the limo owner: https://www.gofundme.com/help-nationwide-sedan-service

The question I have is, why doesn't he have full coverage on a piece of infrastructure that is critical to your business? Not explaining away the leftist violence, but if I had a limo, it would be fully covered against all types of damage, including vandalism.

Seems like this might be a cash grab from unsuspecting people that want to help out, either that, or he was a cheapskate for not having proper insurance coverage.

Post: #313

(01-24-2017 01:44 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  There's a gofundme account to fund the limo owner: https://www.gofundme.com/help-nationwide-sedan-service

The question I have is, why doesn't he have full coverage on a piece of infrastructure that is critical to your business? Not explaining away the leftist violence, but if I had a limo, it would be f

Some insurance policies do not cover civil unrest / riots and other incidents like nuclear war. I have this issue on my commercial property policies.

I am not saying this is the case for this guy, but it might be. Also, car insurance liberally depreciates the value of your car when they pay you (I have experienced this personally). He might be insured, but not enough to replace the vehicle.

Post: #314

(01-24-2017 12:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Yeah - but you also think that Mohammed is fantastic and that Muslim women are a million times better.

Wrong. I clearly stated I was offering differing perspectives.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle

You guys are so dogmatic and blinded by hate of Islam you can't even have an intelligent conversation about a subject.

When the fuck did I re-write history? Please quote me. Please fucking quote where I said Muslims being at war with each other is something new.

I grew up in a "Christian" nation with Christian family don't tell me what I do or don't know. You're either secular or religious don't cherry pick if you want to use Christianity as a lightning rod. Now you're using the same tactics as "moderate" Muslims, invoking religion when convenient.

You've gone fully fucking delusional in your blind hate and dogma. You're now insulting me and you're beginning to sound unintelligent and fanatical.

I'm not even apologizing for Islam or promoting it (if it was up to me all religion would disappear) I'm simply suggesting not to look at it so blindly or myopically.

Many Muslims are like Christians. They don't actually follow the rules, still drink, still smoke, still fuck, and just give the religion lip service to virtue signal and fit into society.

You're talking to someone who signed up to fight and risk his life against Islam and you're fucking coming at me like I'm an Islamic apologist because you can't even stomach the concept that there's more to Islam, terrorism, the cultural war, and the clash of the west beyond the notion that "islam bad, kill all muslims"

You sound like a fucking idiot right now. Maybe you're the one who shouldn't talk about what they know nothing about. You sound a living breathing stereotype of a redneck American complete with confederate flag patches and double digit IQ.

Post: #315

Don't get all unchained bud.

Post: #316

Unchained
We should be commending Muhammad for creating a system where you're woman literally hides her beauty from other men and reserves it only for you.

You claim to be secular and Ex-Muslim, yet you defend the Hijab despite countless accounts of Ex-Muslim women who hated wearing it and were beaten, tortured and sometimes killed because of it.

In your own words are you praising a pedophile mass-murdering psychopath and warlord. We had those too in the Middle Ages, but we are not saying they are how mankind should live.

You are getting personal now, but I expect nothing else from Muslims. I have no blind hatred towards anyone, I abhor and hate only certain ideologies and Islam is one of them, because I studied it well enough. You sound like a Taqyia follower who has unmasked himself a bit too early by praising the glories of Mohammed after claiming to be an Ex-Muslim.

The aware Ex-Muslims I know have no love for the teachings of Islam left. They are more anti-Islam than me in some instances (keep in mind - I am anti-Islam and not anti-Muslim, which is a difference).

But as I said - I am not going to respond to that here. You can go to the Migrant thread and convince us how we need 100 million more Muslims in Europe and the US to become as civilized as Afghanistan.

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lBack to the topic at hand:


http://newobserveronline.com/trannies-no...ens-march/

Trannies getting upset about all those Vaginas. I guess they should have had pink penises as signs of the "new females", because as we know - gender is a construct and some women have penises.

Someone should have worn this costume to the party:



Or this one - an army of those penis-heads would be a sight to behold:

Post: #317

(01-24-2017 03:27 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Unchained
We should be commending Muhammad for creating a system where you're woman literally hides her beauty from other men and reserves it only for you.

That was clearly being tongue in cheek.

Quote:You claim to be secular and Ex-Muslim, yet you defend the Hijab despite countless accounts of Ex-Muslim women who hated wearing it and were beaten, tortured and sometimes killed because of it.

I'm not authoritarian therefore I espouse live and let live. I said I only condone the hijab when it's optional. For example in France they had some women protesting when it was banned. I don't believe in taking away freedom therefore I support the right to wear it. Why would I give a fuck if a woman covers her head if it doesn't affect me?

Quote:In your own words are you praising a pedophile mass-murdering psychopath and warlord.

Even Hitler did some things right.

Quote:You are getting personal now, but I expect nothing else from Muslims. I have no blind hatred towards anyone, I abhor and hate only certain ideologies and Islam is one of them, because I studied it well enough. You sound like a Taqyia follower who has unmasked himself a bit too early by praising the glories of Mohammed after claiming to be an Ex-Muslim.

Yeah I'm the one getting personal and you're calling me a secret Muslim agent. You're delusional. This is trolling right?

Quote:The aware Ex-Muslims I know have no love for the teachings of Islam left. They are more anti-Islam than me in some instances (keep in mind - I am anti-Islam and not anti-Muslim, which is a difference).

Bullshit. That was exactly my fucking point in previous posts.

Quote:But as I said - I am not going to respond to that here. You can go to the Migrant thread and convince us how we need 100 million more Muslims in Europe and the US to become as civilized as Afghanistan.

I'm already in that thread. I told European men I'd support them if they used vigilante justice and dealt with the migrants. Then again you're clearly not here to discuss or understand points and you're trying to disingenuously paint me as something I'm not despite the fact you can clearly read my posts in this thread and others. Unless you lack basic reading comprehension in English you would understand the point, but instead you're deliberately trolling now.

You're acting dogmatic and mentally obtuse. Like a muslim zealot. You and jihadists would actually probably get along quite well.

Post: #318

'Unchained'

You're acting dogmatic and mentally obtuse. Like a muslim zealot. You and jihadists would actually probably get along quite well.


Relax - if you are reasonable and don't get banned soon, then we may meet one day and discuss things over some scotch. But don't bring your Jihadi friends with you - I doubt that I will get along with them.

As for the Hijab - a ban makes sense only due to the fact that some girls are forced by their families to wear it. If there were no Muslim families forcing their kids to wear it, then I would be against a ban - however due to the nature of those suckers I am for a ban.

And still - I am no zealot. There would be better ways to solve this all, but the the globalists are not going to let it happen.

Also fitting pic:



The glorious union of Antifa and Jihad.

Post: #319

Hehe - soo empowering:

Post: #320

While I do think Islam is a violent religion, I don't think that it can't coexist with the rest of humanity. The last 40-50 years of Islamic aggression/resistance, whatever you want to call it, are at least in part a reaction to US/Israeli policies in the Middle East. We can get all choked up about 9/11 and "Never Forget" or we can look realistically at it and realize that it was a revenge attack.

The people of Iran are good and decent people. I've met them. The people of Lebanon are good and decent. I've met them as well. Sure, they may follow a religion that we find barbaric but just like all people they want to be left to their own devices.

If we are really "at war with Islam" then it is a war that we have created ourselves. Stop fucking around in the Middle East and withdraw support for Israel and all that "Islamic radicalism" will dwindle down mighty fucking quick, I tell you.

Post: #321

(01-24-2017 04:33 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  While I do think Islam is a violent religion, I don't think that it can't coexist with the rest of humanity. The last 40-50 years of Islamic aggression/resistance, whatever you want to call it, are at least in part a reaction to US/Israeli policies in the Middle East. We can get all choked up about 9/11 and "Never Forget" or we can look realistically at it and realize that it was a revenge attack.

The people of Iran are good and decent people. I've met them. The people of Lebanon are good and decent. I've met them as well. Sure, they may follow a religion that we find barbaric but just like all people they want to be left to their own devices.

If we are really "at war with Islam" then it is a war that we have created ourselves. Stop fucking around in the Middle East and withdraw support for Israel and all that "Islamic radicalism" will dwindle down mighty fucking quick, I tell you.

I don't think that any reasonable person would disagree with the statement that a lot of the hate for the U.S. comes because of the way the U.S. stomps around in places it has no business being.

Also have met some really cool Iranians.

Still, for your statement to be true, you would have to prove that Islam lived in peace with the rest of the world until the U.S. government showed up.

Post: #322

Cluelessness off the charts........ at least her sister thinks she's a fucking nutjob.

Oh - FUCK ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE.

http://www.rollingstone.com/country/news...ch-w462513

Post: #323

(01-24-2017 05:28 PM)Sandstorm Wrote:  Cluelessness off the charts........ at least her sister thinks she's a fucking nutjob.

Oh - FUCK ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE.

http://www.rollingstone.com/country/news...ch-w462513

She then added: "It's been a really tough day on Twitter and I've hung in there and now I'm going to go sing & be part of the solution."

That is basically how these fucking women fill their pointless lives - toughing it out on Twitter.

Post: #324

Post: #325

^^^If you click that tweet, look like Godfrey's photo is photoshopped.