(06-16-2016 01:39 AM)kaotic Wrote:  My gut told me it was time to leave so we bounced, I don't think she was feeling it.

She just had bad eye contact, maybe I was intimating, not sure.

It's been awhile since I did a sober date with a under 21 girl.

She literally gave me a side hug, I've never got that shit, I knew exactly what she was doing and there was definitely not a kiss to be had.

Probably a dead end, I'll follow up Sunday.

Strange, she sent me a "I had a good time text" early this morning. Who knows, maybe there's something there.

Game has become more difficult for me.

I'm going after wealthier, better looking girls.

I look older than I used to.

I'm 20 years older than most of the girls I talk to.

At first, I struggled really bad. I didn't have the right vibe, demeanor, and tone. But.. After about 100 practice approaches -- I can feel my powers growing. I can feel the fear dissolving. I can feel the confidence bubbling.

In order for me to be successful, I have to be ridiculously confident, ridiculously bold, ridiculously sharp, and with ridiculous levels of swag and not-giving-a-fuck!

That's exactly what I've been doing.

After 7 years of hard work, I am now of the verge of another break thru!

I'm going to higher levels of sexual science!

I will share my experiences with you.

Right now is the perfect time to strike on hot 18 year olds just getting out of high school. They are everywhere with school out and they want to have some fun before they move off to college and on to another phase of their life. Might as well prepare them by being the first random dick they have from a man they don't know since it will probably happen a lot in college.

I went over to H&M, Forever 21 and TJ Maxx to talk to young women but the pickings weren't that great. I opened one woman with a direct opener and she said thanks and was happy but then walked away. She was in her 30s and not the age I was looking for. I opened another woman with an indirect opener but it was too indirect and as soon as she answered, she walked away.

I think I like game more when I don't think of it as failing when I don't get the result I want. I like it when I think of it as a game. You play and maybe your character dies, but you have unlimited lives so you try again.

Contradictory text exchange this morning from a chick I gave my # to months back

Lizard: Hello Handsome

Pauses to cross reference her # with a FB account...hmm sexy let's proceed

MDP: (Suspect 1st text) ? hey that 919 ac is throwing me off. How ya been
Lizard: Cool Im good u
MDP: groovy. Any wild weekend plans
Lizard: No
Lizard: I would love to stay quietly
MDP: I'm headed out of town later but we should meet up this weekend. Are u free
Lizard: No I'm not
MDP: When then
Lizard: I can't say for now
MDP: Hit me back when you can
Lizard: Ok I will baby

*Cleans out inbox*

Irritating part was seeing the ac and thinking it was one of my ex's (who I slipped up on)reinitiating contact in hopes of getting back on the A team

Nope just a random chick with no intentions of hanging out

For those type girls all I have hard dick and bubble gum, and I'm getting dangerously low on the bubble gum

Went out with Linux and Rockhard last night to a shitlord country bar. Got a heavy whiskey buzz and ended up making out with this 6'2" blond girl who gave me her number. She seemed interested in going home with me but had to work ass early and her friends were her ride and pulled her away.

Cute OKC girl I was chatting with online was interested in going out. I gave her my number told her to text me. Next day she texts me:

Her: Hey, it's xxx from okc
Me: Hola xxx whats shakin

(no response)

(06-16-2016 12:45 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 01:39 AM)kaotic Wrote:  My gut told me it was time to leave so we bounced, I don't think she was feeling it.

She just had bad eye contact, maybe I was intimating, not sure.

It's been awhile since I did a sober date with a under 21 girl.

She literally gave me a side hug, I've never got that shit, I knew exactly what she was doing and there was definitely not a kiss to be had.

Probably a dead end, I'll follow up Sunday.

Strange, she sent me a "I had a good time text" early this morning. Who knows, maybe there's something there.

Shitty bait to rope you into being an orbiter. This shit is like a daily occurrence for me in college. Just leverage it into a way to meet her friends. Young, attractive girls know young, attractive girls.

met her again today and we rambled for awhile. she asked some personal question which prompted me to ask her out for a drink.
Her: I can't drink. I am on antibiotics
Me: we can get a coffee instead
Her: no
Me: c'mon ( i shouldn't have said this, probably scared the cat)
Her: I have a boyfriend
Me : Ok.

(06-18-2016 12:43 AM)Touchmybanana Wrote:  met her again today and we rambled for awhile. she asked some personal question which prompted me to ask her out for a drink.
Her: I can't drink. I am on antibiotics
Me: we can get a coffee instead[you actually failed right here]
Her: no
Me: c'mon ( i shouldn't have said this, probably scared the cat)
Her: I have a boyfriend
Me : Ok.

Should have just folded your cards and got her number. Kept her on backburner after texting a bit. Send her an interesting New Years, July 4th, other holiday, or just random out of nowhere restart text.

You can't really do much with that hand right there.

(06-17-2016 01:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Went out with Linux and Rockhard last night to a shitlord country bar. Got a heavy whiskey buzz and ended up making out with this 6'2" blond girl who gave me her number. She seemed interested in going home with me but had to work ass early and her friends were her ride and pulled her away.

Cute OKC girl I was chatting with online was interested in going out. I gave her my number told her to text me. Next day she texts me:

Her: Hey, it's xxx from okc
Me: Hola xxx whats shakin

(no response)

Such a vague area of the game.

1) She initiates the text

2) Why did she send the text?
- She wants to bang (what we love to assume)
or
- She wants validation (what we can assume, but we only find out after we send a reply text - that she doesn't reply to)

3) Why no reply?
- she got busy - but didn't have the courtesy
- we're not of high enough value to warrant the reply
- she got her validation, and we're not high enough value to get a reply back

So what the game tells us is that
- there are communications, and there are sub-communications
- Women love the double bind. They love giving you decisions where you have no control or influence, she has all the power.

Is there a solution to this general problem?

Sort of.

She does X to you, and all of the information she's being fed by the world and through her own experience says that you only have a few moves.

- Immediate response - to talk/chat more, entertain her, push for the meet. The typical stuff that guys do when they get texts from girls.

So part of the game is that you have to basically break her frame. She has this world view, and your job is destroying it, and bringing her into your reality.

It's very woo woo, but this is basically the land of marketing/advertising/social control.

NOBODY NEEDED A FUCKING IPAD.

Even when they invented the fucker, most of the tech columns were like "What the fuck do we do with this thing"

Somehow the experts were proved wrong about the iPad and it made Apple billions.

The female in this situation is "Engadget". You have to be Steve Jobs. Your vision is the one that defines the tech world, not some staffer making 40K and living in Starbucks.

She knows everything and most of the time is just confirming what she knows. Even if she's interested in the bang for her reasons (mostly based on your photo, profile, and opening messages) - If she fucks you, it's on her terms entirely. A lot of guys that fuck a lot are fine with this. They never get choice though.

So if she initiates, you basically need to give her something that she does not expect. Something that says something NEW and ATTRACTIVE about you that's not in your profile. (bitches are nosy and love to discover shit, love to dig up dirt, love to know something about you that you don't know that they know) And it has to hook her into wanting to interact with your more.

You *even* replying to her - now, within 5 minutes, within a few hours - is what she expects. That confirms her world view.

If you don't reply - chances are low that your OkCupid value was so high that she's going to chase you down.

If you reply normally, her world view is confirmed, and again the ball is in her court with little influence from you.

So in this scenario where the girl initiates - you need to pack a whole lot of game into your text.


Options

- "At a Democratic fundraiser, trying to get Hillary to do shots with me. Text me later"
- "Smoking a fatty with Bernie, Sanders got jokes..."
- "Republican hottie is giving me the eye, I don't even vote"

*text her a non sequitur picture of Mr. T or Lender's Bagels*

- "I've been meaning to ask, did a guy help write your profile" (A Roissy line that's typically used earlier in the online pull)

You want to construct something that's short, piques interest, and forces her to respond.

You forcing her to respond is basically a value sub-communication, and you have more value than her. And getting her to respond is a little bit of an investment on her part.

The forcing her to respond to your prompt is what i'm getting at. That's the thing you want.

Whatever top layer of communication you used to get there is not really that important.

Impossible to do with just "Sup" or "Chilling"

WIA

^ sound advice there, WIA. My only issue is when putting it in transactional/ROI terms.

While of course it's not too taxing to shoot a 5-10 word message, is it worth the effort to think up some juicy, bantery, enticing text to send a girl who otherwise can't be assed to bother responding the most basic of human salutations?

I already messaged her half a dozen times on the app - apparently enticing enough to get her to put my number in her phone and text me. We already pre-set a date plan and the "shoot me a text" line was merely a move to more easily setup logistics.

Does one have to be interesting, fun, Mr. Wit 24/7? Game also teaches us that for every 1 cunt playing "hard to get" there are 10 others who are easily DTF.

Granted, game is not always the path of least resistance, but rather whatever path you choose. Some men like challenging women; some men loathe them.

(06-18-2016 12:43 AM)Touchmybanana Wrote:  met her again today and we rambled for awhile. she asked some personal question which prompted me to ask her out for a drink.
Her: I can't drink. I am on antibiotics
Me: we can get a coffee instead
Her: no
Me: c'mon ( i shouldn't have said this, probably scared the cat)
Her: I have a boyfriend
Me : Ok.

"C'mon" scared the cat. A good response would have been "lol".

After she said "I have a boyfriend" you might have been able to salvage it with "he can come too"

(06-18-2016 10:47 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(06-18-2016 12:43 AM)Touchmybanana Wrote:  met her again today and we rambled for awhile. she asked some personal question which prompted me to ask her out for a drink.
Her: I can't drink. I am on antibiotics
Me: we can get a coffee instead
Her: no
Me: c'mon ( i shouldn't have said this, probably scared the cat)
Her: I have a boyfriend
Me : Ok.

"C'mon" scared the cat. A good response would have been "lol".

After she said "I have a boyfriend" you might have been able to salvage it with "he can come too"

Think this was in person. Via text it's easy not to come across as too into her, but in person you can't push too hard.

Also personally would never say "lol" when trying to get into a chick's pants(atleast not anymore). Just doesn't sit right with me and feels like a filler text for her to respond again(unless she's texting me out of the blue asking for shit). I would be just giving her shit that she was obviously a lightweight if this was via text.

For the last few months in an LTR, I have taken a break from approaching after 500+ day approaches in a few years. I still scan and view the world from the eyes of a player. Every day I am confronted still, with what I would approach. Now I think my sight is sharper, I always look for and find the hottest women. And the same thought process still runs through my mind, the same adrenaline rush like before going on stage. I actually think with the break I have even less fear now of approaching the absolutely hottest women. In my mind its like a justification of, "well if I am going to do it, I might as well go for broke." I wonder if this will stick with me now for the rest of my life. Like my senses and skill for approaching is so ingrained, its a lifestyle, and an automatic reaction in society. To think what that skill would have been like after a life long of practicing approaches, starting in puberty, or after 1000 approaches.

(06-18-2016 10:27 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  ^ sound advice there, WIA. My only issue is when putting it in transactional/ROI terms.

While of course it's not too taxing to shoot a 5-10 word message, is it worth the effort to think up some juicy, bantery, enticing text to send a girl who otherwise can't be assed to bother responding the most basic of human salutations?

I already messaged her half a dozen times on the app - apparently enticing enough to get her to put my number in her phone and text me. We already pre-set a date plan and the "shoot me a text" line was merely a move to more easily setup logistics.

Does one have to be interesting, fun, Mr. Wit 24/7? Game also teaches us that for every 1 cunt playing "hard to get" there are 10 others who are easily DTF.

Granted, game is not always the path of least resistance, but rather whatever path you choose. Some men like challenging women; some men loathe them.

It's definitely a balancing act.

Until you bang her, a lot of the power is in her hands.

WIA

I recently updated the age on all my profiles to reflect my real age (mid 30's). Been getting a lot more interest than before, even from 18-19 yr olds. I pass for 25 so thats what I had since I mainly go for early-mid 20's. But now there is also a demographic of mid 30's affluent looking career women from the city who are opening me on OKC, might exploit this and see how it goes.

To be honest Im having decent luck (50% number rate, 20% bang rate = 2 notches in the last few weeks) online with the early 20's crowd but damn its tiring putting up with them. I hate loud noisy dirty places, so after the first bang I try and pull them back to my place for drinks/dinner/bang but they'd rather crawl dive bars in the fuckin rain. Do they really need social validation that badly? Or am I just losing the edge for wanting to chill at a jazz lounge or wine bar?

Needed to vent that last part.

(06-16-2016 12:52 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Game has become more difficult for me.

I'm going after wealthier, better looking girls.

I look older than I used to.

I'm 20 years older than most of the girls I talk to.

At first, I struggled really bad. I didn't have the right vibe, demeanor, and tone. But.. After about 100 practice approaches -- I can feel my powers growing. I can feel the fear dissolving. I can feel the confidence bubbling.

In order for me to be successful, I have to be ridiculously confident, ridiculously bold, ridiculously sharp, and with ridiculous levels of swag and not-giving-a-fuck!

That's exactly what I've been doing.

After 7 years of hard work, I am now of the verge of another break thru!

I'm going to higher levels of sexual science!

I will share my experiences with you.

Sir Gio, please do tell us about you going after wealthier better looking females. What caused this?

What approaches have you tried?

Any differences? Why is wealthier better (I know why, but want to hear your POV)?

Is your targe age group still the same or now more broad? Not many wealthy 18 year olds exist.

While you game is galaxies away from mine, I've been long involved in this niche so I may be able to answer some questions.

Also, it seems Kaotic got the infamous "hug close"

(06-17-2016 01:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Cute OKC girl I was chatting with online was interested in going out. I gave her my number told her to text me. Next day she texts me:

Her: Hey, it's xxx from okc
Me: Hola xxx whats shakin

(no response)

She texted me this afternoon (3 days later) with this:

Her: Hey!! Sorry I just found this in my junk texts. What's up?

...That's a new one.

(06-18-2016 07:11 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 01:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Cute OKC girl I was chatting with online was interested in going out. I gave her my number told her to text me. Next day she texts me:

Her: Hey, it's xxx from okc
Me: Hola xxx whats shakin

(no response)

She texted me this afternoon (3 days later) with this:

Her: Hey!! Sorry I just found this in my junk texts. What's up?

...That's a new one.

Didn't know text messages had a spam folder. Has to be a major slut to have a set up like that

(06-18-2016 07:26 PM)realologist Wrote:  

(06-18-2016 07:11 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 01:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Cute OKC girl I was chatting with online was interested in going out. I gave her my number told her to text me. Next day she texts me:

Her: Hey, it's xxx from okc
Me: Hola xxx whats shakin

(no response)

She texted me this afternoon (3 days later) with this:

Her: Hey!! Sorry I just found this in my junk texts. What's up?

...That's a new one.

Didn't know text messages had a spam folder. Has to be a major slut to have a set up like that

When someone messages you on iMessage you have the option to send them to the spam folder, it gives you this option if someone texts you from an unsaved number.

So she purposely send your text to the spam folder or she is lying and shit testing you.

(06-18-2016 07:26 PM)realologist Wrote:  

(06-18-2016 07:11 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 01:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Cute OKC girl I was chatting with online was interested in going out. I gave her my number told her to text me. Next day she texts me:

Her: Hey, it's xxx from okc
Me: Hola xxx whats shakin

(no response)

She texted me this afternoon (3 days later) with this:

Her: Hey!! Sorry I just found this in my junk texts. What's up?

...That's a new one.

Didn't know text messages had a spam folder. Has to be a major slut to have a set up like that

More like she got caught trying to bait him into being needy and texting more than a few times. Shitty bait is shitty bait.

(06-17-2016 11:58 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Strange, she sent me a "I had a good time text" early this morning. Who knows, maybe there's something there.

Shitty bait to rope you into being an orbiter. This shit is like a daily occurrence for me in college. Just leverage it into a way to meet her friends. Young, attractive girls know young, attractive girls.

We'll see, we texted a bit back and forth, I won't reach out to her later this week. She sent the last text also. Plenty of other numbers out there.

This girls definitely WAS awkward, usually a "i had a good time" comes right after that date or in a few hours, not an unsolicited text a day after. (At least for me)

(06-18-2016 06:46 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Also, it seems Kaotic got the infamous "hug close"

Seriously, I can't remember the last time a bitch did that to me.


Anyways, I got a consolation prize last night.

18/19 year old opened me on Tinder, saying she dug my bio and beard.

Chatted her up, turns out she's in town from the south (she used to live here).

Got her number and planned for Saturday. Ended up getting another girl lined up for tonight so we met last night.

Swooped her up, her little brother said hi to me, to check if i was chill, I laughed my ass off that - she was embarrassed.

She was dressed super cute, short wide skirt, her tits were fucking huge and perky. Decent body, I'd rate her a 6.5, if she lost just 10-15 pounds a solid 7.

We took off to the pool hall, as I'm nearing the venue, I hear something odd. Park, fucking nail with a washer in it in my tire, my date kept apologizing, I pulled it out, no air came out, good.

After a game or 2 we sat at a table nearby and chatted, standard speel about 15 minute girl, me not liking BS.

She brings up how her dad scolded her jokingly for almost wearing jeans to a date. Had a good laugh.

Bet her a game on drinks, I won. She doesn't drink, so we end up leaving.

Take her to the fountain near my pad with ducks and shit, we chat, do some slow kino.

Tell some stories about the local area, she's thirsty, so we take off and she gets a water at the gas station.

Come to my pad, show off my Harley, rifles, the upgrades I did to my room.

Get in bed, throw on a movie, body language was nervous.

Eventually I kiss her, we start making out for a few minutes non stop - I pull away - she nods her head an smiles and says "yup". Tells me I'm a good kisser.

We keep doing this for a bit, I play some light bdsm, hands held down, light touching of the neck.

Eventually this turns into full choking, which of course she tells me "you can't turn me on like that"

Eventually I get her massive tits out, start sucking on those and keep making out.

Go for the pussy rub, immediate hand grab and "i'm on my period" I laugh, play it cool, tell her I have condoms and a towel. Talks about how she's only fucked 2 guys.

Tried a few more times, she refused. Whatever, whip out my dick, she starts jacking me off.

Starts telling me why I'm not in the south for her, how she's never been this turned on in her life.

Eventually I tell her "come here" and she says "to suck your dick ?" "yeah, I mean you're on your period anyways" "wellll I guesss"

She's actually got pretty good BJ skills, but she didn't fucking swallow, which is BS. Made a goddamn mess of me.

Anyways, I take her home, get some food, she told me text her when she gets home, I didn't.

Send her a follow up text saying I had fun, we should do it again. She wants to see me before she leaves late next week. I'll have some time, so hopefully it'll be a sealed deal by then.

I put it to the group. I got with this girl over 6 months ago after approaching her. I fucked up early on in the relationship by somehow showing her I was texting with other girls. This was after she said she loved me and would stay in this country for me. Since then its been up and down. We have traveled a lot together, and spent a lot of time together. I have been a train wreck, letting this dominate my thoughts and taking away my focus from work and my obligations. I have been chasing after her like she is the last woman on earth. She doesnt give any of the niceties of having an LTR, no sweet gifts and very limited kind words, or little things. But she fucks my brains out, any time I want. Last night was the second time in 6 months she has cooked for me. I didnt get a fathers day gift from her this morning. Its little things like that I want. Not getting them bugs me, because it shows she is not really that into me.

Last night she showed me she is still really hurt and bitter about what happened with the texting. She brought it up over dinner, she tends to do that when we are having a nice time. It basically ruins any evening we have together. And then she tells me for the longest time she was "totally checked out" and didnt consider me for anything other than short term fun. This was while I was working like I never have before trying to keep this girl I think is the best I have ever found.

Long story short; after years of playing as a player, approaching and banging, I got hung up on one. I went totally crazy over this chick, and it literally made me crazy. When I was alone, and banging, I was happier. I was in shape, my career, finances and other things in life were all in order. This wrecked me. I will figure out why later on. For now, this is the time to eject. I dont know what happened to me. I dont need or want a wife now. I dont want to have kids now, and can barely imagine that because its so far removed from what I want in life. Even if I did want to marry this one, and make babies with her, I doubt we can overcome the early stuff that happened between us, in order to have that connection you need for a marriage to work.

I was a player playing and doing well. One came in, blew that all up, and now I am a wreck. Lessons learned if any, stay vigilant on your goals, dreams and desires.

I had a first date bang the other day but now she's become flaky. She had mentioned she's embarrassed that she went that far with me "sooooo soon." It's harder to get her out for date two than the first. What the fuck?? She has an excellent pussy.