Post: #1

The United States has purposefully allowed in 20+ million invaders into our country, the EU has let in millions of invaders, many of them former ISIS, rapists in the EU aren't being prosecuted, in the US, mexican drunk drivers are let go with no fines payed, and meanwhile, the citizens of the West, are prosecuted for non-crimes.

In the US, conservatives are persecuted by the IRS for their speech, in Europe, people exercising their free speech to speak out against their traitorous governments are prosecuted under "Hate Speech" law.


So, the West doesn't respect the law, no matter what country you are in, whether it be Canada, America, or Western Europe.

This means, as citizens of the West, we have "carte blanche" to do whatever we want. We no longer have countries. Our countries are actively working against us. So, do whatever you want. If it is in your interests to follow the law, then follow the law, if it isn't, then don't.

Particularly on taxes, try to pay as little as you can get away with. Work politically to change things, but don't let the law stop you. Some have said on this forum, "You can't advocate getting a gun where it is illegal to." I'm pretty sure its illegal for Germany to allow the massive rape of their women, so, I think its fine to publicly call for the arming of german people even if it is technically "illegal".



Western people, particularly in Western Europe, need to take matters into their own hands. If a Muslim commits a crime against your family, do justice. Don't worry about the police. They will probably be sympathetic even if they do catch you. Plus the economic contraction will spread government's forces more thin.

This is a time to be tough, not to lie down. There is no law anymore, so, stop thinking in that mindset.

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Post: #3

I dunno... Sharia law seems to be getting enforced fairly well.


Thohugh in all seriousness. We sit around rewarding stupidity all day long. It's no wonder that our countries are run by idiots.

Post: #4

I don't get the people who mock truth tellers.

Don't you have family effected by current events?

Don't you care about anything?

Seriously, Brian, what the fuck do you care about, if not the invasion of Europe, the destruction of the American way of life and middle class?

Are you just really into video games or something? Go post in a video game thread then and fuck off.

People need to know that their governments have abandoned them and to stop thinking in outdated ways. The Muslims already have. They don't follow the law. They, for all their primitiveness, have adapted to the 21st century much better than the West have.

They understand the old way of warfare is over and might makes right. It's time for the West to do the same.

Post: #5

KD, this post is nonsense and it's not worthy of an intelligent guy like yourself.

First, although I can't speak for the forum moderators, I believe that they don't want any posters here to encourage illegal activity, because this is something that can obviously compromise the forum. So I would suggest you keep these sentiments to yourself.

Second, while there are all sorts of serious problems in today's society -- just as there have always been serious problems -- it's time for a little f'ing perspective. There is more rule of law in the West right now than there has been in the vast majority of societies that have ever existed, or that exist now for that matter.

There have been and are places in the world where a knock on the door at night can mean your life is over, and there is no redress and no recourse. A billion people in China are ruled by ChiCom thugs. Not to mention all kinds of hellholes in the Middle East, Africa, and elsewhere.

If you want some perspective of what it means to live in one such society, read this book by the Cuban dissident Armando Valladares who was tortured for decades in Castro's prisons:

Against All Hope

Or you can read this masterpiece of a memoir by Nick Rowe, an American officer who was captured by the Viet Cong:

Five Years to Freedom

Read these books, reflect on what they mean, and get some perspective. Let's leave the hysterical outbursts to women and manginas. We can do better.

Post: #6

The liberal reign is almost over. Look at their achievements and be careful you don't laugh yourself to death. Many have been caught with their dicks in their hands to their shame. It wont be forgotten either. Just wait and see what comes next.

Post: #7

There is still "rule of law". Even better, there is an enormous amount of social capital - reasonable people working together on the basis of mutual trust.

However, this social capital, the community of "nice" people, is what is being exploited more and more by parasites. It looks like they are going to take down the whole thing, sooner or later. So plan accordingly.

Post: #8

I personally know a reporter who asked Obama a tough question and had his life ruined and my girlfriend is in the hellhole that has become Germany right now.


There is no more rule of law, and just because China is more fucked up doesn't have any bearing on my argument.

Post: #9

We won't have to live in societies like that if we practice civil disobedience and arm ourselves everywhere.

Post: #10

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Post: #11

What's going on now isn't a "joke" anymore. People are being impoverished if they speak out, violence against resistors in France is "ok" because "they deserve it".

The truth is our governments have betrayed us and the rule of law is no more.

Post: #12

Would the Muslims rape and pillage with impunity if they knew people would seek justice?

Would the devastation of the Christians in Syria have been so severe if everyone had been armed to the hilt?


The number one thing you can do right now is get armed.

Post: #13

(01-06-2016 07:02 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  I personally know a reporter who asked Obama a tough question and had his life ruined

Ruined, you mean he was thrown into prison and tortured? Is that what happened?

Or was it just that his career was affected. And if so do you imagine this has never happened before and has not always been going on? Do you think there has ever been a society in which political struggles are not nasty and dirty? And can you not see the difference between that and the lack of rule of law?

(01-06-2016 07:02 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  and my girlfriend is in the hellhole that has become Germany right now.

I suspect that this is what is really behind your post. And that is understandable.

Yes, parts of Germany are dangerous now because they allowed a million or more Muslim migrants in, the majority of them young men, many of those thugs and criminals. And yes, this is a f'ing disgrace.

However, to conclude that because of this there is "no rule of law" anymore (everywhere in the West) and we should just discard any idea of a lawful society is just an emotional outburst.

The Germans need to stop this insane migration, they need to restore law and order, and get things under better control. If they don't, then certainly people have a right and an obligation to defend themselves against criminals.

But that does not mean that there is "no more rule of law" in the West as a whole.

(01-06-2016 07:02 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  There is no more rule of law, and just because China is more fucked up doesn't have any bearing on my argument.

The bearing is this: if by some form of collective insanity we really did abandon the idea of rule of law, we would very quickly end up with a society far more "fucked up" than you can imagine.

Of course, it's not like this is going to happen because of one emotional post in the forum. But it's still good to keep things in perspective and not succumb to hysterics.

Post: #14

The citizens of the West did not abandon the rule of law.

The governments did.

We have to adapt our tactics to the reality on the ground.

The reporter was fired and his small business is audited every year, no, he was not tortured.


But, yes, we should restore the rule of law, but when your adversary abandons the agreed upon political process, the way Western governments have by flooding ALL European countries with mass immigration, WITHOUT A SINGLE VOTE ON THIS POLICy iN ANY COUNTRY, then we can't just sit back and watch as our people are conquered.


link to Fourth Generation Handbook

We have to adapt to reality. The reality is that our political opponents have abandoned the rule of law to achieve their aim, which is the destruction of our way of life, and so, we can either be like the native Americans and lose, or be like the British and Americans in World War 2, who instead of throwing up their arms in hopeless defeat when the NAZI's used advanced tank tactics, simply started using tank tactics themselves.

Our enemies are using everything in their power to destroy us. We should do the same to persevere.

I do not want to lose, but still being able to say I fought "nobly".

Fuck that. I want to win.

We win only by getting as mean and tough on the battlefield as our enemy is willing to do.

Post: #15

Korben is right whether you like it or not. Western governments are doing everything they can to get rid of us. The only reason SJW's and Loretta Lynch haven't already imposed greater restrictions on us is because we're armed, which of course they're trying to change. They only maintain a basic veneer of law and order to keep the whites from wising up to what is happening to them.

USA has a bit more cushion and safety at the moment, that's the only reason you have the luxury of labeling Korben as crazy, but those circumstances will spread here soon enough.

Post: #16

Here's an analogy.

Imagine being raised by a single mom who punishes you for things like not cleaning your room, but then wantonly shows no judgement when she lets all her bad boy boyfriends into the house. Some of them then sneak into your room at night and molest you.

True, not all of those men molested you. Some of them are pretty cool.

But the fact remains that if mom had used her authority properly -- the way parents are supposed to wield authority -- no molesters would have been let in at all. It's the job of a parent, first and foremost, to protect their children.

Because of all this, it's hard to take mom seriously when it comes to trivial bullshit like picking your socks up off the floor. Because there is no real rule of law in her house.

Post: #17

DoBA, that's just a bad analogy. Setting aside the implausible McMartin-level conceit that even one "bad boy" boyfriend (let alone multiple ones) turned out to be a "molester", who exactly has been "molested" here?

Lest we forget, the great majority of guys posting on this forum live some of the safest, most privileged and most orderly lives that have ever existed, enjoying endless comfort and all the protections of the law. That is true for us Americans, as well as for the great majority of Europeans.

That's just reality. The fact that some parts of Germany and Sweden have become dangerous -- and I doubt they're even as dangerous as the South Bronx was 30 years ago -- does not fundamentally change that reality, or come close to fundamentally changing it.

The net effect of the migration in Germany, as the poster Parzival outlined in many highly informative posts in the Europe thread, is likely to be the creation of a significant number of dangerous enclaves dominated by Muslims, which would become something like no-go zones for the native population. There will be lawlessness and crime in those enclaves; the majority of citizens will go on with their lives more or less normally. There will be an inevitable process of segregation. In essence, there will be many an East St. Louis on the Rhine or a Compton on the Main.

This is very unfortunate and should never have been allowed to happen. And of course, the sooner the inflows are stopped, the better. There are real signs that a turning point is near as far as that goes (in Sweden they have now instituted MUCH tighter border controls, and there are more and more voices in Germany calling for this).

But as disgusting as all this is, it does not signify a complete breakdown of the rule of law all over the West, anymore than the existence of ghettos in the US (especially as they were 30 or 40 years ago) signified that the US had become a lawless society. There is simply no need for such gross exaggerations.

Post: #18

^^^^
You're leaving out a bunch of things, most of which have already been said but I'll repeat them.

Illegals might live in their own enclaves, but the ripple effects of them are felt through depressed wages, a bigger surveillance state, a larger burden on the tax base, more crowded conditions, higher unemployment, the general feeling of mistrust and being unsafe (not to be discounted -- quality of life matters), and the aforementioned rise in crime.

How does this affect me directly? Besides the time an illegal attempted to break into my place, I see day-to-day a change to the fabric of the culture. I count this as a negative -- big time.

To give an example, when I was in college, I'd walk through the mall and it would be like being in a Beach Boys music video circa 1965. Now it's like some dystopian future. Where did my country go? Where are the surfer girls? Why is it a 50/50 chance that when I deal with a business, the person there will speak English. In the '90s it wasn't this way.

Immigration was always controlled -- including my people, the Italians, who were only let into the US for a few decades. The porous border changed all that. I don't see this as petty -- or bigoted. I see it as a deliberate attempt to change this culture into something else.

This all might not register directly with people, but it does affect how they identify with their nation.

Finally, the populace will, in fact, come to think "If they don't have to obey laws, why do I?" This is just basic human nature -- people conform to social conditions. When the percent of rule-breakers creeps up, we become like the school in the bad district where chaos, not order, reigns.

So I'll keep my analogy, thanks. The rule of law might not be breaking down this very minute, but I see it coming.

Post: #19

(01-06-2016 08:26 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  ^^^^
You're leaving out a bunch of things, most of which have already been said but I'll repeat them.

Illegals might live in their own enclaves, but the ripple effects of them are felt through depressed wages, a bigger surveillance state, a larger burden on the tax base, more crowded conditions, higher unemployment, the general feeling of mistrust and being unsafe (not to be discounted -- quality of life matters), and the aforementioned rise in crime.

How does this affect me directly? Besides the time an illegal attempted to break into my place, I see day-to-day a change to the fabric of the culture. I count this as a negative -- big time.

To give an example, when I was in college, I'd walk through the mall and it would be like being in a Beach Boys music video circa 1965. Now it's like some dystopian future. Where did my country go? Where are the surfer girls? Why is it a 50/50 chance that when I deal with a business, the person there will speak English. In the '90s it wasn't this way.

Immigration was always controlled -- including my people, the Italians, who were only let into the US for a few decades. The porous border changed all that. I don't see this as petty -- or bigoted. I see it as a deliberate attempt to change this culture into something else.

This all might not register directly with people, but it does affect how they identify with their nation.

Finally, the populace will, in fact, come to think "If they don't have to obey laws, why do I?" This is just basic human nature -- people conform to social conditions. When the percent of rule-breakers creeps up, we become like the school in the bad district where chaos, not order, reigns.

So I'll keep my analogy, thanks. The rule of law might not be breaking down this very minute, but I see it coming.

Post: #20

(01-06-2016 07:26 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Korben is right whether you like it or not. Western governments are doing everything they can to get rid of us. The only reason SJW's and Loretta Lynch haven't already imposed greater restrictions on us is because we're armed, which of course they're trying to change. They only maintain a basic veneer of law and order to keep the whites from wising up to what is happening to them.

USA has a bit more cushion and safety at the moment, that's the only reason you have the luxury of labeling Korben as crazy, but those circumstances will spread here soon enough.

I still think it's a possibility Obama's endgame may be a federal or "national" police force. It could be one reason municipal cops are under such attack now and places like Ferguson and other cities burn. Then, send out the communist front groups like BLM and the rioters to rile up the need for a feeling for a federal force.

Make the local muni cops so afraid to move against the mobs for fear of more mob or Obama admin backlash that they just let the rioters riot as was allowed in, I think it was, Baltimore last year. The public sees local muni cops too scared to take action and demand "order". Then, the national police force ( brownshirts reincarnated) step in to provide that order.

Either Obama maybe looking for a federal police force and a perpetual presidency or he's laying the groundwork and setting it up for Hitlery.

A thought experiment: Anyone have thoughts on how guns could be confiscated? It'd have to be some order to turn them into police stations or some such. What would go down if that were attempted? How many would stand up to it ( Molon Labe) ? How many would just keep their guns, keep quiet and hide them and hope the feds didn't show up on their doorstep? How many would cave and turn in their weapons?

Post: #21

There most definitely is still a rule of law, with over 80,000 new regulations created by the US government in 2015 and an ever-growing police state. Problem is that these laws are becoming more oppressive by the day, and are emasculating the native population's of these Western countries. As Lizard said, we certainly have endless comfort, such as cars, televisions, smart phones, and climate-controlled homes. But these have all but neutered Western men, and on the surface there seems to be little for them to fight for. Incentives to have families are basically zero, where women get the benefit of the doubt in the family courts and the economies remain stagnant. I even saw that in the U.K. they are considering making "emotional abuse" a component of domestic violence. Just absurd.

Whether a conspiracy or not, there is definitely a bias in our legal system against men. With the game as rigged as it is, it is no surprise that there has been the small amount of fight from the natives. Just sad to see given what was sacrificed by previous generations to live a life of liberty, prosperity, and freedom.

Post: #22

There is no rule of law if one class of people doesn't have to obey the rules.

In America its the illegals, in Europe it's the muslims.

White natives, therefore, have carte blanche to do whatever they want. So, do whatever you want.

The law has just become whoever has the force to get your way.

Post: #23

(01-06-2016 07:26 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Korben is right whether you like it or not. Western governments are doing everything they can to get rid of us. The only reason SJW's and Loretta Lynch haven't already imposed greater restrictions on us is because we're armed, which of course they're trying to change. They only maintain a basic veneer of law and order to keep the whites from wising up to what is happening to them.

USA has a bit more cushion and safety at the moment, that's the only reason you have the luxury of labeling Korben as crazy, but those circumstances will spread here soon enough.

^^^ Can't rep this enough. You think the tide will ebb before it hits these shores? Think again.

Post: #24

I take big issue with the presumption that material well being is somehow indicative of the rule of law. Maybe those things are correlated but one doesn't logically follow from the other. Living standards under Saddam Hussein in Iraq during the 70's and 80's for example were actually pretty high.

Korben's title/OP is somewhat hyperbolic, but it is true that we are increasingly seeing Western governments failing to or selectively enforcing their laws when it suits them and going after favored targets. Just look what happened in Cologne. Going strong ages ago effectively and in painstaking detail explained that any illegals on European soil, even if they aren't granted "asylum" can effectively never be deported.

So it's hyperbolic, but it's certainly a worrying trend. Right now we kind of have a soft police state that gives you many illusions of choice, and the social engineers figured out that if you construct a labyrinthine maze of Byzantine and contradictory rules and regulations, as long as you don't wall it off totally, you can do most of what suits you. Good persuasion techniques.

Where it all ends up, I don't know.

Post: #25

Just turn your computer off man and go get some ice cream.