Post: #1251

^ A scale dude, what to keep the elephants out.

What people actually step on the scale!

You got to love some of these countries, they simply don't give a fuck.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/lon...72071.html

Post: #1252

Glad to join this discussion. A relief to be among this type of thinking.

Re; Stereotypes

I hear this and this is something I have contemplated and mulled over.

Point is individual game is where it's at. The key to me is dress code and speech accompanied by solid world understanding. I am very proud of who I am and where I come from, but I can't let that solely define me.

In London, now more than ever, the "individual" black man is pretty sought after and rare. Judging by the looks I receive especially from non- black women, there is a clear high SMV for it. My eyes are open. Cats like Idris Elba are opening the doors for game - the amount of white women I hear talking about him, white women who usually would not even consider, suggests that their eyes are open.

Of course you get the ghetto white chicks looking for this, but they get overlooked and I make my body language clear on that.

A ton of fat chicks also look, I mean look right in your eyes as many brothas over here bone anything, and thus they think they appeal to all black men. I work in the media and I somewhat stand out. Being 6'3 dark and broad maximises the "Idria Elba" effect.

Professional blacks in London make gains, especially on a boozy Friday night.

Don't try to hard to break the stereotype, its easier than one thinks.

I can't speak for the US, but Europe is alright.

For example, I opened on a cute slim ting on South Bank. She was French and looked about 32...turned out to be a Kimzomba and Salsa dancer, and "Into"... as I could see she was nowhere near the wall. It's there for the taking, just uncovering is the key...

Post: #1253

(12-11-2015 02:08 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  Glad to join this discussion. A relief to be among this type of thinking.

Re; Stereotypes

I hear this and this is something I have contemplated and mulled over.

Point is individual game is where it's at. The key to me is dress code and speech accompanied by solid world understanding. I am very proud of who I am and where I come from, but I can't let that solely define me.

In London, now more than ever, the "individual" black man is pretty sought after and rare. Judging by the looks I receive especially from non- black women, there is a clear high SMV for it. My eyes are open. Cats like Idris Elba are opening the doors for game - the amount of white women I hear talking about him, white women who usually would not even consider, suggests that their eyes are open.

Of course you get the ghetto white chicks looking for this, but they get overlooked and I make my body language clear on that.

A ton of fat chicks also look, I mean look right in your eyes as many brothas over here bone anything, and thus they think they appeal to all black men. I work in the media and I somewhat stand out. Being 6'3 dark and broad maximises the "Idria Elba" effect.

Professional blacks in London make gains, especially on a boozy Friday night.

Don't try to hard to break the stereotype, its easier than one thinks.

I can't speak for the US, but Europe is alright.

For example, I opened on a cute slim ting on South Bank. She was French and looked about 32...turned out to be a Kimzomba and Salsa dancer, and "Into"... as I could see she was nowhere near the wall. It's there for the taking, just uncovering is the key...

Last week on friday I was in london for the evening. Had dinner at London Bridge before staying over at a mates house in Canary Wharf. I saw 10 ...i repeat..ten black guy white girl dates walking around london bridge. This isn't a covert bang and escape through the back door. These were holding hands walking down the street type things.

Post: #1254

The thing with London, is that white women aren't the only option for us outside of black...I have seen plenty of Polish / Slovakian chicks with black dudes.

Also there is a growing Brazilian / Portuguese community here...alot of the chicks will be office cleaners though, which makes it interesting when getting into work early...

Post: #1255

(12-11-2015 02:08 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  Glad to join this discussion. A relief to be among this type of thinking.

Re; Stereotypes

I hear this and this is something I have contemplated and mulled over.

Point is individual game is where it's at. The key to me is dress code and speech accompanied by solid world understanding. I am very proud of who I am and where I come from, but I can't let that solely define me.

In London, now more than ever, the "individual" black man is pretty sought after and rare. Judging by the looks I receive especially from non- black women, there is a clear high SMV for it. My eyes are open. Cats like Idris Elba are opening the doors for game - the amount of white women I hear talking about him, white women who usually would not even consider, suggests that their eyes are open.

Of course you get the ghetto white chicks looking for this, but they get overlooked and I make my body language clear on that.

A ton of fat chicks also look, I mean look right in your eyes as many brothas over here bone anything, and thus they think they appeal to all black men. I work in the media and I somewhat stand out. Being 6'3 dark and broad maximises the "Idria Elba" effect.

Professional blacks in London make gains, especially on a boozy Friday night.

Don't try to hard to break the stereotype, its easier than one thinks.

I can't speak for the US, but Europe is alright.

For example, I opened on a cute slim ting on South Bank. She was French and looked about 32...turned out to be a Kimzomba and Salsa dancer, and "Into"... as I could see she was nowhere near the wall. It's there for the taking, just uncovering is the key...

Exactly this. If you constantly improve upon the things that are within your control, eventually game/life falls into place. Especially in Europe, I noticed it has helped me. Women notice this shit. When you are intellectual, well dressed, interesting, they eat that shit up.

Discovering this thread and moving to Europe has really helped me improve my inner game. Although I have to admit, one of the last hurdles I need to clear is getting over height. Not going to lie, I get jealous reading about you over 6' tall brothas talking about girls staring you down, etc. I'm only 5'6 so I always feel like it dampers my full potential; ironically I believe that living here in the Netherlands has been helping me get over it little by little as these are the tallest women on the planet and it is constantly a challenge.

Post: #1256

(12-11-2015 02:08 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  Glad to join this discussion. A relief to be among this type of thinking.

Re; Stereotypes

I hear this and this is something I have contemplated and mulled over.

Point is individual game is where it's at. The key to me is dress code and speech accompanied by solid world understanding. I am very proud of who I am and where I come from, but I can't let that solely define me.

In London, now more than ever, the "individual" black man is pretty sought after and rare. Judging by the looks I receive especially from non- black women, there is a clear high SMV for it. My eyes are open. Cats like Idris Elba are opening the doors for game - the amount of white women I hear talking about him, white women who usually would not even consider, suggests that their eyes are open.

Of course you get the ghetto white chicks looking for this, but they get overlooked and I make my body language clear on that.

A ton of fat chicks also look, I mean look right in your eyes as many brothas over here bone anything, and thus they think they appeal to all black men. I work in the media and I somewhat stand out. Being 6'3 dark and broad maximises the "Idria Elba" effect.

Professional blacks in London make gains, especially on a boozy Friday night.

Don't try to hard to break the stereotype, its easier than one thinks.

I can't speak for the US, but Europe is alright.

For example, I opened on a cute slim ting on South Bank. She was French and looked about 32...turned out to be a Kimzomba and Salsa dancer, and "Into"... as I could see she was nowhere near the wall. It's there for the taking, just uncovering is the key...

I can believe you when it comes to a non-stereotypical black man in Europe, or for that matter anywhere outside the United States.

Now I'm not going to replicate these race trolls who try to push the "No one likes black men no matter what you do or where you go" agenda. However, in the case of the United States, I think it's a lost cause. But with a combination of America's history, the anti-black ethnophobia shared amongst most non-black Americans, and the subgroup of blacks who embrace the stereotype via hood-mentality and group think, it's only getting worse with all sides (races) at fault.

That's why at this point, if you're a black man in America and have enough dignity not to coon and buckdance by being some "lil thug/entertainer/dopeboy", the only solution is to find a way to leave the country for good. Learn a trade or a discipline that can be done or at least make you employable outside the United States. How you get there is up to you.

The Jews who fled The Weimar Republic before the "12th Hour" became one of the most successful and powerful groups of people on the planet. I don't see why non-stereotypical black American men can't do the same thing. The United States has chosen the kind of "blacks" they want as part of their country. And if you have an IQ of 100 or higher, have a clean record, a college degree or trade, don't have kids out of wedlock, you are not what they want.

Post: #1257

(12-11-2015 02:29 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  I have seen plenty of Polish / Slovakian chicks with black dudes.

I went to Slovakia and got eye fucked like no other. I think I had boots on ground for about 4 hours before I got laid. Havana club in downtown Bratislava works wonders for me.

Post: #1258

War Machine - welcome my man and your post is like a breath of fresh air.

As you can see the mindset of is greatly different, across the pond. I know a brotha in the UK who was banging out a nice looking spanish girl 40 years his junior, her ex German boyfriend was livid but what could he do.

I still maintain, a black man with the right "look" can game in any country.

Sus - the whole comparison with other groups of people is flawed. On this forum alone we have many black guys from different backgrounds, so we are not all one group. Jews generally come from one part of Europe/Russia and were successful before the WW2. They are the most cohesive group on the planet, I have met a few big wigs in my city and they live a life one can only dream of.

I am not a fan of America, but I realize it gives you the greatest opportunity to make money in the world. You might have to struggle in the corporate world, but that problem you will run into in most western countries.

Post: #1259

Going from the U.S to Mexico back to U.S and now Europe all within 4 months, I can agree full heartedly that the U.S dampers game potentials for brother. This isn't necessarily because of "the man" either. Like one of you guys said above, not only are you competing with negative stereotypes in the minds of non-blacks, but you're also competing with the blacks who reinforce the shit. After being in europe for 5 weeks, I have more snow bunnies lined up than I can handle. It's actually becoming boring how easy it is. The only attitude I get over here is from U.S. bitches who i avoid like the plague.

I was explaining it to my friends and said it like this. Europe/Mexico is more like who you are not what you are for brothers. In the U.S a white guy who is punk rock is different from a white guy who is preppy or one who is trailer trash and women adjust accordingly. For black guys it's instant "hood nigga/thug" until proven otherwise. If you dress nice here, talk well, carry yourself well, no one mistakes you or assumes you're something you're not simply because the color of your skin.

-CD

Post: #1260

(12-12-2015 12:12 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Going from the U.S to Mexico back to U.S and now Europe all within 4 months, I can agree full heartedly that the U.S dampers game potentials for brother. This isn't necessarily because of "the man" either. Like one of you guys said above, not only are you competing with negative stereotypes in the minds of non-blacks, but you're also competing with the blacks who reinforce the shit. After being in europe for 5 weeks, I have more snow bunnies lined up than I can handle. It's actually becoming boring how easy it is. The only attitude I get over here is from U.S. bitches who i avoid like the plague.

I was explaining it to my friends and said it like this. Europe/Mexico is more like who you are not what you are for brothers. In the U.S a white guy who is punk rock is different from a white guy who is preppy or one who is trailer trash and women adjust accordingly. For black guys it's instant "hood nigga/thug" until proven otherwise. If you dress nice here, talk well, carry yourself well, no one mistakes you or assumes you're something you're not simply because the color of your skin.

-CD

Welcome to the Oasis. I'm proud to be an American...however the passion
for brothers here is so genuine..and when you mix that with more traditional women...
some of the finest...especially in Eastern Europe...and the absence of issues like police shootings
and hood stereotypes...you start thinking about Europe long term...

That said, the best way to do that is to make your money and get out of the rat race,
so you can travel abroad without being tied to a desk job.

The finest prizes are reserved for those willing to work for them.

Post: #1261

Re:

The club thing with those girls.

Firstly fuck those clubs.

Secondly, those girls knew the policy and were told of it via WhatsApp, so they knew the deal. All of a sudden they're shocked when their not allowed in? Those bitches new the score and were warned about fat/ dark friends and even had to verify via a picture anyway to the promoter.

Don't be fooled. They should have rejected the process from then, but they wanted to "be seen" there. Any girl that needs to be seen somewhere is a turn off. They're looking for high SMV Ballers and moneymen anyway.

I love soulful/deep/jazz house, hardly go out anymore now anyway, and it was an excellent source of good looking girls who went for the music and danced accordingly. Much better to open there anyway.

Avoid those places and chicks. Those chicks will have 5-6 orbiters burning £50 notes and drinking champagne they can't really afford.

This is the problem with the modern viewpoint, no admittance that they condoned the process and they all of a sudden become victims.

Post: #1262

Hahaha, this following text relates back to an earlier debate:

I matched with this Dutch Brunette on Tinder. 28 year old mother of two, actually opened me first which is rare for me here in the Netherlands. In the middle of the convo:

Me: what kind of man gets you hot?
her: tall, dark and handsome
Me: I'm two out of three, should be enough to get you going
**I"m 5'6 and knowing Dutch genetics, she will most likely be several inches taller than me. But I think I can still salvage this

Man, love it out here.

Heads up, I'm going to S. Africa this winter if anyone will be around.

Post: #1263

(12-11-2015 02:29 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  The thing with London, is that white women aren't the only option for us outside of black...I have seen plenty of Polish / Slovakian chicks with black dudes.

Also there is a growing Brazilian / Portuguese community here...alot of the chicks will be office cleaners though, which makes it interesting when getting into work early...

Aren't Slovaks and Poles considered white?



Just playing mate!

Post: #1264

On British lizards

I'll take me a Sophie Turner or a Sophie Dee

But this is what i cut for

Post: #1265

Seems like there's not enough discussion
these days on the other side of game...i.e
what I'd like to call "Talent Management"

Sure it's easy to spend all your time polishing
your game...getting your mindset right, wardrobe, money
and fitness tight only to waste your skills on women who
have no real talent to begin with...

Just finding the right person(i.e. Top talent)
makes your life so much easier...it's like a coach who
gets all first round NFL draft picks...his knowledge of the game
and their talent makes for a winning season.

The challenge though, like with any sport, is recruiting talent
consistently...Which is a different skill from a one night stand...
which is more often based on availability and low hanging fruit.

The best way I can see guys doing this is to network in those professions
where only the brightest, baddest, most talented women actually make it...
so a lot of your work is already done for you.

Or you go to a country that has a high concentration of beautiful, professional women
with traditional values.

Either way, Attracting top talent consistently needs to be a focus for 2016.

Post: #1266

Yeah! I ment "English". They're so different in attitudes they might as well be! Thanks for the welcome.

Although some of the native English chicks are stepping up their game big time. I'm seeing heavy squatting chicks with stiff bumpers these days.

Mixed race girls. My God, so many to choose from, but they're in demand and they know it. You see them with different races of guys. The really fine ones need A1 game.

Post: #1267

Just chiming in.

I have noticed past weeks/months that I have been attracting a lot hippy chics. Addicted to reggae,smoking joints, etc.
Got a couple bangs from them.

Not the best quality (6-7 chicks) but hey...

Post: #1268

(12-14-2015 01:15 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 02:29 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  The thing with London, is that white women aren't the only option for us outside of black...I have seen plenty of Polish / Slovakian chicks with black dudes.

Also there is a growing Brazilian / Portuguese community here...alot of the chicks will be office cleaners though, which makes it interesting when getting into work early...

Aren't Slovaks and Poles considered white?



Just playing mate!

RooshVForum: Where black men aren't considered dark, and Eastern Europeans aren't white.

Post: #1269

@ Fury

Whereabouts in S.A?

Guys you have to come through to my country.
South Africa has the hottest black women on the continent.
(possibly the world, but I haven't traveled & I'm being a patriotic chode)

All colours, yellow bones through to dark brown chocolate.

& we specialize in ass, big boots brah!
Since yoga pants (leggings as their known locally) dropped.
Things ain't ever been the same.
When a universally thick female body is in it, you'll understand.

I'm done ranting. But really come through.
That's why I learnt game, these girls are too maine.

Post: #1270

@1026

I'll start in Cape Town for several days and then take the train up to Jburg. Then I was thinking of catching a quick flight up to Lusaka, Zambia and checking out Victoria Falls from that side. From what I read, CT has some beautiful women but I hear it is a little tough for a brotha (or at least we don't get to choose from the full menu).

Post: #1271

1026, I love ass and I'll try and make it down there before I close shop. Piped one lizard from your ends when I lived in the dot. Her face was whatever but her ass was crying for attention. She had a Naija fetish so it was VIP into those guts!

Post: #1272

This cutie from Exclesior's black hotness thread; my ideal American excotical.

Post: #1273

(12-05-2015 07:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Moma poised a great question to me recently, when you marry a white woman and ultimately have a child. What will you tell your children about Race and Racism? How do you explain to them what they are, in terms of being mixed, mulatto, half-caste, black or whatever term you use.

I decided a long time ago that I will want to encourage any woman I'm with to allow us to have our children in Jamaica and potentially raise them there for some period of time (or at least visit very frequently and have the children spend multiple summers on the island). My reasoning for this is partially rooted in nationalism, but also rooted in their own well-being. I genuinely feel that staying close to their Jamaican roots and emphasizing them above all else will aid them emotionally.

Jamaicans can be anything. While most are of predominantly West African blood and look the part (like myself), many have ancestry from Asia or Europe and appearances that vary widely. The nation's motto is "out of many, one people". Any mixed children I have can embrace their Jamaican identity without feeling that their appearance or ancestry precludes them from belonging.

When they ask me what they are, the answer will be simple: they're Jamaicans who, like lots of other Jamaicans, have significant European ancestry. Their identity will be a Caribbean one, which they'll not be precluded from blending seamlessly into because of their ancestry.

I'll still need to be careful to teach them the realities of race and racism that will apply wherever they are. In America, they will be perceived as black by everyone regardless of the fact that they have a white mother and are probably predominantly European by blood (I'm possibly around an 1/8th or 1/16th European, so with a 100% Euro mother my kids would be north of 50% Euro by blood). They should expect that their ancestry will make no difference in the way they are treated/perceived by white America (one drop rule and all), but they should expect black America to treat them a little differently (fairer appearance = status in black america; this is true in Jamaica too, actually).

When faced with the complex realities of race in America and the hostility/confusion it often brings, they'll need to be coached on the importance of holding on to their fundamental Jamaican identity. Jamaica is their true home, not the USA.

That's the mindset that kept me sane here, and I hope it'll help them too.

(11-21-2015 11:17 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

That girl is definately pushing the scales, but I'd still hit.

As a dude who's born and raised in the land of feminine skinny white bitches, I'd still take the above over a Bambi legs Estonian any-day. It's why I don't buy the black dudes only take what they can get argument.

Of course in North America, everything is to the extreme, so you get dudes walking around with the below type of chick, and they think they've won a prize.



All they've won is a lifetime of listening to fatty complain about how her knees and ankles hurting because she's such a hefty heffer.

Black men messing with a woman who looks anything like the one in the second picture (and that would be quite a large number of black men, hence the existence of the stereotypes we're talking about) are taking what they can get.

Most of those black men, if given the option, would prefer the girl in the first image, and would choose that girl over any number of skinny runway/swimsuit model types if they were given a choice.

Vanishingly few black men have such a choice, however, and for most the best available options are women who resemble the one in the second picture you posted. People assume that, because so many black men are sleeping with these overweight women with large guts and mountains of cellulite, black men actually prefer that. This is not the case. They take it because they can get it.

To be against the "black men take what they can get" argument is to embrace the notion that black men have a natural preference for women who resemble the one in the second picture you showed. None of us should be promoting such an asinine line of reasoning, as it basically equates us to sexual garbagemen (taking out the trash nobody else wants). We gotta be better than that.

Post: #1274

(12-09-2015 05:25 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Was checking out an old thread "Regional Differences and the Failings of a 114k Millionaire".

Jariel wrote ...

Quote:Everybody's place in the game is different, and unfortunately, that place often has to do with who and what we are.

Look dude, you're Black. Most women, especially non-Black women, don't grow up with dreams of being taken care of and provided for by Black men. That's just not how we fit into the fantasy.

Read some of Nancy Friday's books, you'll have a better idea of where our place tends to be -- hint: somewhere behind the woman, while she grips onto something for dear life.

Your job as far as they are concerned is to tear that ass up like they believe you can. If you tear it up right, then you just may buy yourself some time to show her where your worth really is, and then maybe she'll realize she's in the midst of something special, and she'll start seeing you for you the individual, and not the limited concept of you that she had initially in mind.

The way the world is and the way you choose to see it are two different things. I feel like some of us get to a certain place, and we accomplish certain things, and we pretend to ourselves, well we're not really what we are anymore because we've surpassed the stereotype, and that's just delusional -- women can afford to be delusional, you, Mr. Black man, can't.

This post in on point 100%. I remember being at a party on a cruise ship from Stockholm to Latvia. Me being me at the bar, dressed European style in a Ravazzolo suit + pocket square and getting drunk on happy hour Martinis. Some German wigger starts break dancing in front of me. A big circle of clubbers formed expecting me ... the "black man" to challenge him and bust some crazy move. Nigga fuck that! I'm not your circus monkey. The crowd kind of left slightly disappointed. But i couldn't help but think that is how a big chunk of the world sees us ... as entertainment whether it is of the sexual, athletic or comedic variety.

A lot of us black guys on this forum tend to be of the more intellectual and worldly breed with good jobs and interests that transcend pop culture & sports.

What if we don't want to be relegated to a personification of a dildo. Or the naive, funny & lovable Chris Rock/Chris Tucker kinda guy. Or the explosive athlete?

Is there any way to leverage our other qualities without compromising the fantasy other races of women have about us?

Discuss.

The best answer is to leave.

The USA will never allow you to be more than its limited racial lenses perceive you to be. As has been documented extensively in this thread, black men have been able to go to other parts of the world and leverage their non-stereotypical qualities while still attracting a larger number of quality women. This will not happen in the USA because this society and the people in it (black, white, or otherwise) has already decided what you are and what you need to be (or what they need you to be), and there is nothing you can do to change their minds. If you want to increase your odds of being judged for who you are and not what you are and you want to be desired for traits you have that are outside the realm of those stereotypically attached to black people here, you need to leave the USA behind. There simply isn't a lot of room in this country for the non-stereotypical black male.

If you insist on staying here and fighting the good fight, there are some decent suggestions here regarding a form of "contrast game". The most effective strategic application of this is to put a lot of energy into playing up your non-stereotypical status indicators (could be the job, the style, education, etc) and presenting yourself accordingly. You'll then rely to some extent on the contrast between the person you've presented to her and the person she typically expects to meet when someone of your background is in the picture to generate some interest and get her thinking beyond the limited concept of you she probably had initially. This, in turn, may force her to start thinking more about who you are and less about what you are, opening the door for your non-stereotypical traits to have some more intrigue and worth.

Its a ton of work for a relatively limited and very uncertain return (many of the girls you meet will be too close-minded to process your non-stereotypical self and might dismiss it outright no matter what; others will see it but decline it because of social pressure; others will see the contrast and decide they'd rather not spend energy/time processing it when they can go to what they know), but it can yield some success if applied consistently along with some social circle game.

Honestly, though, you're probably better off just leaving whenever you can and getting into an environment where your non-stereotypical traits count for more in and of themselves.

Post: #1275

^^ With all due respect, I have found many mixed race kids hold onto the identity of the white culture. Yes, if you have a child with a black woman then they might "accept" the Jamaican culture but I would strongly be surprised if a mixed kid did.
I have met dozens of mixed race people in the UK, who considered themselves British and only British. They probably couldn't even point out Jamaica on a map. Again this is due to the black parent not teaching them about their Caribbean culture. You could also take out England and put in Canada, USA etc. Again I blame the parent, who most times is trying to escape being black themselves.

As for the fat white gals in both pics, no black man should reduce himself to being with them. I have met so many decent looking gals overseas that would kill to be with a decent black man, I don't see the need of even discussing fat white gals. As you rightly said, it is a stereotype we need to abolish. Maybe I am lucky or fortunate, I don't see many black guys dating girls like the one in the second pic.

Right on time, the latest article from Citizen Renegade.

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